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Empiree: Again, I will not succumb to your pressure. I know exactly what I am talking about. But let me make something abundantly clear. The group is terrorist. There are in fact individual muslims who in their hearts sincerely believe they on the right cause. That's their problem.
However, from the way you talk, I feel sorry for Christians. It's not your fault. There is nothing left in Christianity except protestant version. I dont even see any Nigerian pastors speak of eschatology at all. So instead of bothering me, why not take a quick flight to iraq and find out yourself?.
If you speak Yoruba, there is a video on YouTube titled Dajjal. It's written in CAPS. It's written like like "DAJ JAL" this is to differentiate it from other countless of similar videos. Speaker is Yoruba. Watch it see if you can learn one or two things. I have the video but i wont post it here. Thats just the beginning. Looks like you speak Yoruba cus you keep saying "Omo"whatever that means. I'd thought you advertize for OMO soap.

You don't have to feel sorry for Christians, Christians are not the ones beheading others and posting it online. If ISIS leader was a Pastor or a Buddist Monk - we wouldn't have the problem we have today. Their likes are in 9ja - they are called Boko Haram. I will give you a proper response shortly and then you can go on your fantasy land wishful thinking

maclatunji: "If" wishes were horses, beggars might ride.

They keyword there is "If", totally conditional, based on your biases, not on facts. To this extent, you have no valid point.

So, how many Muslim radicals are there and what is the world's population of Muslims?

Empiree: Not at all. He wants to get me to talk but I wont. He doesnt need to spend 8yrs to get the picture of this world order. As matter of fact, he needs less than a month of study to get a clue. But i will not answer his question.
You guys want to get me to talk. I basically want to ignore him for now. Maybe i will contribute later. There are lots of ahadith (plural of hadith) now in effect coupled with current world events but many of them need to be interpreted though. Someone are as plain as daylight.
Quran however, talks about those things but in "pregnant form". So we look into hadith for clarification. Let me just help you a little. The whole thing has to be with Holy Land, Jerusalem.
I dont understand what exactly you guys learn in your various churches. Looks like you are behind on eschatology. This subject need deep insight.

Omo, it's your prerogative to talk or not. I asked for insight on the group and why they do what they do. Others Muslims have given their opinion, no one has supported it from the Quran or on any authoritative Hadiths. The subject doesn't need deep insight - ISIS clearly tells us why they are doing what they are doing - you are the one trying to play smart.

Here is what Islam teaches about women:

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT THEM; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Can you show us in the Bible, where Jesus taught that Christian men should beat their wives?

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and BEAT HER with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

As if that is not enough, here is Mohammad punching his favorite wife:

Book 004, Number 2127 = Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

So, keep brain-washing yourself and talk about women equality in Islam.

arsenalwenger: If an estimated 5% of 1billion muslims are considered radicals, that amount to 50 million muslim radicals world wide. 50 million dangerous human beings are unnacceptably high, capable of unleashing terror world wide.

The worse part is that those radicals were once moderates. They were normal people until they heeded the call for jihad. Imagine 50 million people want to kill you because you believe something different than they do.

maclatunji: Out of over a billion Muslims, how many are killers or criminals based on Islam?

Tell us the entire population of Muslims and we can come to some conclusion on how many are radicals or have an interpretation problem

maclatunji: Hahahhahahaha... I guess this is why we have a list of popes who died having sex. The understanding of the teachings of Jesus (AS) by them is deep or very good Christians coming to Africa to steal, rape and plunder for hundreds of centuries backed and funded in part by churches.

You do not even have a book. There is no single Bible, isn't that something?

Another Muslim telling Christians they don't have a holy book when you guys can't interpret yours . Christians are not the ones slaughtering themselves and forcing others to convert. Jesus Christ didn't marry a 6 year old either.

It's an embarrassment to see what Muslims are doing to themselves in the Middle East and even here in Nigeria. As always, you will ignore the obvious and try to play the blame game. Pathetic!.

If Mohammad was alive today and owned slaves, folks like you would tell us he is not practicing true Islam. If he killed over 700 jews like he did similar to what Boko Haram and ISIS are doing - you will find way to tell us it's an interpretation problem

maclatunji: It is like asking: "how come some students fail when their mates are getting As whilst they were all taught by the same teacher?".

Answer: The capacity to comprehend and correctly apply knowledge is not held by everyone.

Logical irrelevance - so many Christians read the same Bible and have different interpretations but they don't slit one another throats over it. You have just confirmed that Islam has an interpretation problem. The Quran claims to be clear for all to understand, I wonder why some of it's adherents can't "understand" it.

Abdulsalam20: YEAH BECAUSE U CAN NEVER HIDE THE TRUTH ALL WHAT I POSTED IS WITH REFERENCE SO NO LOOPHOLE EXCEPT IF U WILL DERAIL AND I AM EQULLY READY.........INDEED ISLAM HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD

You are not making any sense Bros - in a debate, we tackle agreed upon topics. If you have claims and you want us to debate them; when we respond; please tackle our response and don't post the same thing.

Islam is what it is - Boko Haram, ISIS, wife beating, child marriage, shia and Sunni fighting and killing one another.

true2god: Most NL muslims do not have OND in islamic studies yet they undertstand islam more than the ISIS leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who has a Phd in islamic studies. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is a doctor of islamic studies, meaning that all his actions are in line with the trilogy of the sunnah of the prophet, the hadith and the quran.

Muslims are only denying him cos, in this modern era, the islamic world have not regular military force to fight a global jihad against the 'infidels'; they are militarily weak and will be annihilated if they try what their prophet did in 1400 years ago. A single ballistic nuclear warhead will finish the job, and the islamic nations know this.

If mohammed should wake up, declare jihad against the infidels, just as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his marshalls are currently doing now, the muslims in southern Nigeria, europe and america will say he is not a true muslim.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is following the foot-step of the prophet of islam, but unfortunately for him (and unlike mohammed period), he cannot win any jihad in the 21st century against the 'infidels' (notably the judeo-christian world of today).

Agreed and thanks for the insightful post

Abdulsalam20: YOU LIED JESUS WAS NEVER A RULER DURING HIS LIFE TIME U EVEN MISINTERPRETED THE VERSE

Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto
you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and
given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From
the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43) "
(According to the Apocalypse of Peter, this nation
would come from the Arabs)
What other nation beside the modern Muslims of today
bow down to GOD Almighty in the most proper way? What
other nation beside the modern Muslims Glorify GOD
Almighty in their 5-daily Prayers, and fast the Month of
Ramadan for Him?
Let's look at what GOD Almighty said about Ishmael, the
father of the Muslims: "And God said, Sarah thy wife shall
bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac:
and I will establish my covenant with him for an
everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as
for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed
him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him
exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will
make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish
with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set
time in the next year. (From the KJV Bible, Genesis
17:19-21) "
The Jews were GOD Almighty's chosen people: "We did
aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the
Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for
Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them
above the nations. (The Noble Quran, 45:16) "
But after they utterly failed with GOD Almighty and His
Messengers (Not Moses ever liked their actions, nor Jesus
ever liked them and their killings of the Prophets):
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often
would I have gathered thy children together, even as a
hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye
would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37) "
"You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you
not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new
things, of hidden things unknown to you. They are created
now, and not long ago; you have not heard of them
before today. So you cannot say, 'Yes, I knew of them.'
You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your
ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous
you are; you were called a rebel from birth. For my own
name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I
hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off. (From the
NIV Bible, Isaiah 48:6-9) "
"So I will disgrace the dignitaries of your temple, and I
will consign Jacob to destruction and Israel to scorn.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 43:28) "
"But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves
with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and
of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall
receive from my hand: You will lie down in torment.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 50:11) "
They became cursed, and GOD Almighty removed His
Kingdom from them and gave it to another nation. That
nation is non other than the "blessed" Muslims who came
from the "blessed" Ishmael.
The liars of the NIV Bible had inserted a forgery into their
English translation. In Genesis 16:11-12, they inserted a
cheap name-calling "wild ass" for Ishmael, while the
original scripts in the King James Version Bible called him
"wild man":
"And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art
with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name
Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And
he will be a wild man ; his hand will be against every man,
and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in
the presence of all his brethren. (From the KJV Bible,
Genesis 16:11-12) "
Ishmael was a wild man, and a "blessed" one by GOD
Almighty (Gen. 17:19-21). He fought the pagan Arabs who
practiced brutal slavery and degradation of women. It
was part of the pagan Arabs' custom to bury daughters
alive at the age of 4, because a birth of a female brought
shame to the family. Many pagan Arabs used to practice
it.
Ironically, the New Jerusalem Bible also agrees with this
ridiculous pagan practice: "....and the birth of ANY
daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible,
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 )"
The "blessed" Ishmael peace be upon him was Allah
Almighty's Apostle: "And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and
Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations: (The
Noble Quran, 6:86) "
"Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was
(strictly) true to what he promised, and he was an apostle
(and) a prophet. (The Noble Quran, 19:54) "
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him has a direct
blood relationship with Prophet Ishmael peace be upon
him. Before Prophet Muhammad became a Prophet at the
age of 40, he was a well-respected and honored person
among his people. The pagans used him to judge between
their affairs. They also used to trust him with their
wealth. He was called "Al-Sadiq, Al-Ameen", which means
"The Honest, the Trust Worthy" .
When Prophet Muhammad became the Messenger of Allah
Almighty, he brought the Divine Religion of Islam that
ended the Judeo-Christian and pagan brutal slavery, lifted
the status of women and gave them their rights , and
brought Justice, Light and Mercy to the Arabs and to the
Muslims world-wide.

Debating you is useless - you have no clue about your own Islamic history

Empiree: U bore me. Talking like this makes me feel like you opened ths thread to make jest. Well, I am not going to engage you on this subject. This is ur homework. I have been studying eschatology for 8yrs now. A brief answer to ur question makes nosense. Rather, you need to study it. Thats how it work. So onus on you. I am not going to enage you on this until you get serious.

Omo, you are the one pissing me off right now. I opened the thread to get some insight why a group that claims to be Islamic i.e. they call themselves the Islamic State, their leader has a PHD in Islamic studies, they pray 5 times a day, they grow beards like Mohammad did.

So, I am asking anyone that has insight some insight why they claim ISIL/ISIS are not Islamic. All you have done is ignored the question I asked and started talking about something different. I asked a simple question, if you can't answer it why did you bother responding to the post.

Again, if you have no answer, please sit down and shut up.

Empiree: That's your homework. I will not answer this on internet. I'm sorry. Besides, it's a very complex subject. You need to study from the scratch. That's why it's your homework.

. So it's a home-work to determine is ISIL/ISIS is an Islamic group? It's apparent you don't have anything to contribute

Empiree: Let me help you a little bit. Eschatology is derived from both Qur'an and Hadith then coupled with current political, economy and social events in our world. Like saying you should marriage (in Islam)

Okay, can you use Eschatology to answer the question I asked. Most importantly, we have to refer back to the Quran and Hadiths for historical references

Empiree: No, i wasnt referring to personally. I only used it to described those bashing islam for no reason. As for your question, again, pls you need to study eschatology

So, we have to study the eschatology and not the Quran/Hadith to answer the ISIL/ISIS question?

Empiree: See if you can study a bit of Islamic eschatology. You may be able to get clear picture. Jewish, Christian and Islamic eschatology have a lot in common but differ as well. From eschatology perceptive, you may be able to see Islam from different view. This is better than bashing Islam and Muslims. That's irrelevant.

However, this subject requires your "internal eyes" for proper understanding. Believe it or not, what's happening is by divine plan. But they plan and God (also) plan. God's plan's will prevail.

I didn't bash anyone, I asked a simple question. You didn't provide any answer to the question I asked. How do we determine if something is Islamic or if it's not. How do we determine if someone is a Muslim or if they are not.

Please be objective Bros and tell me why they are not Islamic

maclatunji: Individual members maybe misguided Musliims but the group is not Islamic.

How did you determine that the group are not Islamic?

Abdulsalam20: U TRIED TO DODGE THE ALLEGDED ANTI CHRIST THAT YOU ARE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MARRIAGE A LADY IS DEEM FIT FOR MARRIAGE WHEN SHE ATTAIN PUBERTY EVEN THIS HAS BEEN WIDELY PRACTICED IN MANY COUNTRIES
NOW I WILL EXPLAIN THE FACT FOR U IN DETAIL BELOW

Apart from Muslim countries - which other countries allow 6 year old girls to get married?

I want to get some clarity on this organization. Some NL muslims say ISIS/ISIS are not Muslims and they are not Islamic. Can anyone with more factual information through more light on this topic?

lepasharon: Firstly, when did Africans start following the western way of defining an adult- 18? Since when ? When did we start caring about that?

So, who is an adult?

Abdulsalam20

D U TRIED TO DODGE THE ALLEGDED ANTI CHRIST THAT YOU ARE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MARRIAGE A LADY IS DEEM FIT FOR MARRIAGE WHEN SHE ATTAIN PUBERTY EVEN THIS HAS BEEN WIDELY PRACTICED IN MANY COUNTRIES
NOW I WILL EXPLAIN THE FACT FOR U IN DETAIL BELOW

Malu - a girl has young as 6 can start growing hair under her arm-pit; does that mean she is ready for marriage or sex.ual intercourse? Pedo-phile.s such as yourself as the reason the Muslim world has the issue with grown old men marrying kids. Later, you will tell us that Islam is for everyone.

Abdulsalam20: FOOL AS I HAVE LWAYS SAID ALL THIS U SAID IS RUBBISH NO QURAN OR HADITH TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM JUST LIKE I DID U JUST COPIED IT FROM CHRISTIAN WEBSITE WHERE IS UR REFERENCE ALL THIS U POSTED PLEASE ARE U AN UNDERGRADUATE OR A GRADUATE HOW WILL/DID U COPE WITH UR PROJECT.....AFTER A VISIBLE EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO U PLS WHO IS THE DEUTRONOMY VERSE REFERRING TO U BETTER SAY THE TRUTH AND BE FREE[color=#006600]

Bros, abeg - review the topics that I have been engaged in with your likes. When you are done, come back again and try to debate me. I debate objective individuals. If it's the Hadith you want us to review and study; I can provide authentic narrations from Hadiths such as Al-Bukhari which is accepted by nearly all schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

Here is the Hadith proving that Mohammad slept with Aisha when she was 9:

Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)

It is also recorded and narrated from Sunan Abu Dawud, another authoritative Hadith

Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)

So, please read your Islamic history before you come here and make yourself look silly. You are already good at that . If you want to engage me in an objective debate, I will be more than happy to produce evidence only from Islamic sources for your reference

malvisguy212: Bros. God bless you.permit me to copy and paste it.

Permission granted!

Abdulsalam20: The prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:18 continues. God says:
"...I will put my words in his mouth..."
'Putting words in his mouth' - is one of the distinct divine
knowledge of Allah to Prophet Muhammad, because, he was
not Learned, and he can not carry the responsibility except
Allah teaches him what to say! Consider the following in
Isaiah 29:12, as I mentioned several times in my rebuttals
above - In which, it had only happened to Prophet
Muhammad in the Cave of Hira - when Angel Gabriel met
him and asked him the following: 'READ', and Prophet
Muhammad said: 'I AM NOT LEARNED', Angel Gabriel
repeated three times the same word 'READ' and Prophet
Muhammad was answering the same words: 'I AM NOT
LEARNED.' Then later, Angel Gabriel proceeded:
"Read in the name of your Lord Who created.
He created man from a clot.
Read and your Lord is Most Honorable,
Who taught (to write) with the pen.
Taught man what he knew not." (Qur'an 96:1-5)
Telling to Prophet Muhammad to read is a clear indication
that Angel Gabriel was putting God's words to prophet
Muhammad's Mouth. And immediately after Angel Gabriel
continued reciting the verses of Allah, then Prophet
Muhammad rehearsed it and finally it remained in his
memory by the help of Allah Almighty. And this was the
beginning of the Qur'anic Revelation.
If some one will read the whole Qur'an with spirit of
understanding, will certainly find almost all the verses of the
Qur'an were based on the command 'SAY' to, 'SAY' to, 'SAY'
to... etc. means Allah is always the speaker and Prophet
Muhammad is the repeater or conveyor of the message to
the humanity. Examples of these verse are below:
SAY, "He is Allah , [who is] One,"
[Qur'an 112:1]
SAY, "It is only revealed to me that your god is but one God;
so will you be Muslims [in submission to Him]?"
[Qur'an 21:108]
But if they turn away, then SAY, "I have announced to [all of]
you equally. And I know not whether near or far is that which
you are promised." [Qur'an 21:109]
"And they SAY: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few
numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah,
for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah
what ye do not know?" (Qur'an 2:80)
"When it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah Hath sent
down, "they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:"
yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth confirming what
is with them. SAY: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of
Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?" (Qur'an
2:91)
SAY, [O Muhammad], "If the home of the Hereafter with
Allah is for you alone and not the [other] people, then wish
for death, if you should be truthful." [Qur'an 2:94]
SAY: "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down
the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah´s will, a confirmation of
what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those
who believe," (Qur'an 2:97)
SAY to those who disbelieve, "You will be overcome and
gathered together to Hell, and wretched is the resting place."
[Qur'an 3:12]
SAY, "Shall I inform you of [something] better than that? For
those who fear Allah will be gardens in the presence of their
Lord beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally,
and purified spouses and approval from Allah . And Allah is
Seeing of [His] servants" [Qur'an 3:15]
SAY, "Whether ye hide what is in your hearts or reveal it,
Allah knows it all: He knows what is in the heavens, and
what is on earth. And Allah has power over all
things." (Qur'an 3:29)
SAY, "O People of the Book! come to common terms as
between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that
we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from
among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If
then they turn back, SAY ye: "Bear witness that we (at least)
are Muslims (bowing to Allah´s Will)." (Qur'an 3:64)
SAY: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to
us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob,
and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus,
and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction
between one and another among them, and to Allah do we
bow our will (in Islam)." (Qur'an 3:184)
SAY: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath
no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is
that heareth and knoweth all things." (Qur'an 5:76)
To bring all the verses which carried this kind of divine
command 'SAY' in this book, cannot be possible, if we are to
bring it here, it directly means - bringing the whole Qur'an,
which is not possible. Therefore, the prophecy of Isaiah
29:12 and Deuteronomy 18:18 on "...I will put my words in
his mouth..." only deserves and fits to Prophet Muhammad,
not Prophet Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon all
of them) the way Christians blindly assert!
The prophecy continues:
"...and he will tell them everything I commands him."
Those who know Qur’an, can give testimony on Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh) that, all what is inside it, is purely God’s
words. You cannot see a single word of his speeches which
Prophet Muhammad includes in the Qur’an. All his speeches
and his activities were kept written in separate volume of
books, called Hadith.
And anything concerning his biography is written separate in
form of books called (Siratun-Nabiyi), i.e. Books of
biography of Prophet.
It is not like a Bible, which comprises so many things, such
as God’s word, Prophets’ Words and their activities. And
descriptions of Paul’s Profile of which, is highly included in
this present Bible – imagine even the descriptions of his
family were included. That’s why, we Muslims do not believe
that, the entire present Bible, as a whole as purely God’s
word.
Therefore, we can see, exactly in the Qur'an, anywhere Allah
commands Prophet Muhammad with the command - 'SAY',
and so he commanded his companions to write the verse, in
the same format the way it comes with the word of
command (SAY), without reducing or adding to the
commands. Allah Himself is a Witness of the truthfulness of
Prophet Muhammad. Allah says:
"I swear by the star when it goes down." (Qur'an 53:1)
(English - Shakir)
"Your companion does not err, nor does he go
astray;" (Qur'an 53:2) (English - Shakir)
"Nor does he speak out of desire." (Qur'an 53:3) (English -
Shakir)
"It is naught but revelation that is revealed," (Qur'an 53:4)
(English - Shakir)
"The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him," (Qur'an 53:5)
(English - Shakir)
"The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion," (Qur'an
53:6) (English - Shakir)
Therefore, the whole prophecies of Deuteronomy 18:18, only
fit to Prophet Muhammad, not Jesus! And the above facts
refuted their assertion of these prophecies on Prophet Jesus,
in order to mislead the mankind from understanding what
God truly means in the verse.
A WARNING ON THOSE WHO REFUSED TO HEAR THE GOD’S
WORDS THROUGH THIS PROPHET:
Jerusalem Bible says:
“The man who does not listen to my words that he speaks in
my name, shall be held answerable to me for
it.” (Deuteronomy 18:19)
The Revised Standard Version says:
“And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall
speak in my name, I myself will require it of
him” (Deuteronomy 18:19) – (NIV)
New International Version says:
“If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet
speaks in my name, I myself will call him to
account.” (Deuteronomy 18:19)
But in the case is different in Catholic Bible, the ending
words are: “GOD WILL BE THE REVENGER.”
Here it is:
"And he that will not hear his words, which he shall speak in
my name, I will be the revenger." (Deuteronomy 18:19)
(Catholic Bible)
Note
God said: "...he that will not hear his words, which he shall
speak in my name..."
The point of view here is that, '...which he shall speak in my
name...'!
Who speaks in God's name?
The following facts will certainly tell us the person who
speaks in God's name:
Any body who reads Qur'an with understanding will certainly
give the answer!
In the whole Qur'an, every Chapter of the Qur'an begins with
the following formula:
'BISMILLAHIR RAHMANIR RAHEEM'
Means - In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful or
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
What does the prophecy require? - it says: "...which he shall
speak in my name..."
In whose name Prophet Muhammad speaks here?
Before Prophet Muhammad recites any verse of the Qur'an
he says 'IN THE NAME OF Allah THE MOST GRACIOUS THE
MOST MERCIFUL' - except in chapter number 9 of the
Qur'an, it is only in the chapter Allah did not command him
to say the formula.
Moreover, when Prophet Muhammad wants to do any thing,
he used to begin with the formula: 'BISMILLAH' - means - 'IN
THE NAME OF Allah'
But the reverse is the case, when Christians want to say or
do something, they begin with:
'IN JESUS NAME' or 'IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON
AND THE HOLY GHOST.'
Therefore, the prophecy says:
"And he that will not hear his words, which he shall speak in
my name, I will be the revenger."
Simply means - he that will not hear (Muhammad's words -
who speaks in Allah's name), Allah will be the revenger -
means Allah will not forgive him - which means Allah will
punish him/her in the day of Judgement, if they die in their
denial against his words!
The above verse also confirms what Allah says in the Qur'an
68:44 & 45:
"So leave Me, [O Muhammad], with [the matter of] whoever
denies the Qur'an. We will progressively lead them [to
punishment] from where they do not know. And I will give
them time. Indeed, My plan is firm."
Are these verses of Deuteronomy 18:19 (Catholic) and of
Qur'an 68:44 & 45 not enough to frighten the unbelievers?
Even Paul in his write-ups said:
"Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off
from among his people.'" ( Act 3:23 ) (N.I.V.)
"Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have
spoken, have foretold these days." ( Act 3:24 ) (N.I.V.)
Consequently, Allah reminds the Children of Israel about the
truth of Prophet Muhammad's advent they found in their
Scriptures. Allah says in the Qur'an:
"And believe in what I have revealed (now) confirming (the
prophecies of the Scripture) which are (already) with you,
and do not be the first to deny it, neither take a paltry price
for My Messages, and Me alone you should take as a shield
(for protection)." (Qur'an 2:41, English - Amatul Rahman
Omar)
"Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor conceal the
truth knowingly." (Qur'an 2:42, English - Amatul Rahman
Omar)
"And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and
bow down your heads with those who bow down (in
worship)." (Qur'an 2:43, English - Yusuf Ali)
Note:
Indeed, the Bible and the Qur'an have spoken the truth of the
advent of Prophet Muhammad! And it is compulsory to listen
and follow him, as stated in the verse. If you look in the
different translations of Deuteronomy 18:19:
"The man who does not listen to my words that he speaks in
my name, shall be held answerable to me for it." - Jerusalem
Version
If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet
speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” - New
International Version
But the warning is highly extreme in the Catholic Bible:
"And he that will not hear his words, which he shall speak in
my name, I will be the revenger." - Catholic Version
Does this not terrify you? That God himself would call you to
account or to take revenge against you. These words are
enough for you to fear Allah and fear the day of Judgment
that, surely would come!

All this rubbish to prove that a 7th century illiterate is in the Bible. If you have some time, open the Bible and see what it says:

Deuteronomy 18:18-22

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Let me give you several reasons why The God of the Bible doesn't choose men that sleep with 9 year old girls as his prophets:

1. When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic - The prophets of God knows the voice of God and when He calls them. They can clearly distinguish between demons and the one true God
2. Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff - The prophets of God are not suicidal, they don't try to kill themselves because God spoke to them.
3. According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses" - The God of the Bible doesn't tell His prophets that it is okay to worship idols and worship Him as well. Christians don't engage in idolatry and Paganism, they believe in the one true God.
4. Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs - The true God prophets don't fall under magic spell or juju. We don't deal with juju in the Bible, neither does God prophets deal with juju or are influenced by juju.
5. Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers - Only God is to be adored, honored and worshiped. Muslims have given Mohammad the ascension of God and free of error when in truth he was a sinner
6. Mohammad said if a man sleeps with his wife and ejaculate.s 1st, the child will look like the man. If the woman ejaculate.s 1st, the child would look like the mother - Genetics and DNA are the reasons we resemble our parents and sexual pleasure has nothing to do with it.
7. The Qur'an affirms the inspiration, preservation, and authority of the Jewish and Christian scriptures (3:3-4; 5:43-47; 5:68; 6:114-115; 7:157; 10:94; 18:27; etc.). Yet our scriptures plainly declare that Muhammad is a false prophet and an antichrist. Problem?
8. In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
9. The central argument for the inspiration of the Qur'an is the "Argument from Literary Excellence," which is absurd on multiple levels.
10. The Qur'an claims that Alexander the Great and Aesop were devout Muslims - Una no sabi history. Alexander the great was a pagan
11. Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation
12. The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.
13. Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha - How can Mohammad then be the one mentioned in Deuto 18:18. God prophets don't sleep with children
14. Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
15. When Muhammad's wives asked why he was giving special privileges to Aisha, he justified his actions by saying that he received revelations while wearing Aisha's dress! - God condemns men that wear women clothing and women that wear men clothing.

If you want more reasons why Mohammad is not mentioned or inferred in the Bible and why he is not a prophet to Christians or Jews; I will be happy to oblige your ignorance and stupidi.ty

Gentlemen,

It'a always laughable when ignorant Muslims that listen to ignorant imams come online and post intellectually bankrupt references that they can't defend. The poster should tell us why His brothers in Iraq & Syria are beheading innocent people.

He wouldn't talk about Mohammad marrying 6 year old kids and sleeping with them when they were 9 but he would "find" Mohammad in the Bible. . Mumuness is common in Islam

AbdH: But you know that I can't create such topic.

It depends what the title is?

AbdH: Think of something.

It was your idea

truthman2012: Bukhari was right in that hadith because it favours islam but if he said something not expected of a prophet about Muhammad, the same Bukhari is not authentic, abi?

You hit the nail on the head

golpen: what is this one sayinni? !

can't you use your senses and see that muslims give names also for the same reasons?

imagine you are tellibg me about the way christians dress as if the flowing gowns of the nuns, the regalia of the bishops and the kotopo cap of the reverends, not to mention the white collar of evangelists are all dressings in your native land.

my friend, you have a problem

You have comprehension problems. Do bishops wear their robes when they go to work or when they take their kids to school? Do reverends wear their robes outside the church?

The average Muslim dress like an Arabian, has a name like an Arabian, even learns Arabic and has to travel to Mecca to get any kind of closure.

AbdH: Create another thread bros and I'll oblige you.

What should I call it?

AbdH: Ok but you are wrong.

Please present facts Bros

vedaxcool: I won't descend to your level

Thank you, please sit down and keep quiet