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This is what you don't see on the news - the constant killing of Christians:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/international/africa/2013/12/extremists_kill_12_in_nigerian_christian_villages

RoyPCain: any matter legislated in Islam it is not usually completely grasped without adequate and relevant knowledge and of course belief that God knows All and Best. to the untrained eyes and tainted mind, apostasy is not always when somebody abandoned Islam. it must include deception and insurrection after leaving Islam.

it is true that there is no compulsion in religion [Surah 2]. it is also true that God speaks about those that make their entering and leaving Islam so frequently that it becomes like a joke, thereby God may just reject their reversion [Surah 4]. however, the live and let live position of Islam [Surah 109] is evidential for the superiority of Islam, playing out for all to see the best quality of mankind according to freedom to choose [freewill].




Surah 25/68-70 caution man not to involve indiscriminate killing.

Surah 5/32 tells us the two types of people that can legally be killed; the killer and the one spreading corruption. not all apostates [if you mean those who leave islam] spread corruption in the land.





those who are saying that it is Quran only, you are wrong because you couldn't practice Islam if the prophet [SA] by his hadith/sunnah explains the daily salat, how many rakats are in salatul magrib if you rely on Quran alone whereas Allah says take what the prophet [SA] gives you and abstain from what he forbids you.


there is no way a verse is missing from the Quran or any that is not supposed to be in it is in it because Allah says "We are the Revealer of this revelation and We shall protect it".

Are these Hadiths not part of the Muslim Sunnah?

[b]Bukhari, volume 9, #17

"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal intimate intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari, volume 9, #57

Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari, volume 9, #58

Narrated Abu Burda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....[/b]

Coco diva: This topic is neither a misconception,nor is it open for debate. The issue of apostasy in Islam is clear. It is death in an islamic state. It is amazing how people who claim to be muslims,but in reality are outside the fold of Islam either knowingly or unknowingly to them go around misleading people and throwing doubts into their hearts concerning the deen. I'm not surprised anyway,when it involves people that belittle the hadith of the prophet (SAW) , and those who rely upon the Qur'an alone as their source of guidance. I smell deviant sects around! You lots should seek repentance of Allah and ask for guidance from Him.

It's only muslims that want to white-wash Islam that will tell you other-wise. The Hadith and Sunnah of Mohammad are pretty clear on this matter

Olayinkaoj: Bomb went off yesterday Sunday 29th Dec 2013 in a Russian train station and also today Monday another. No responsibility claimed yet but let us wait to know if it was carried out by a Christian group or Muslim.....ur guess is as good as mine

They will tell you the idiots that did it are not Muslims.

Trottle: It skipped my mind but now its there so refute the challenge posed at you if you guys are truthful.

You want us to refute an entire website - you get brain at all? Normal and reasonable people takes one verse or two verses and ask the other party to do the same. I will engage you if you take that approach while I do the same for the Quran.

Trottle: The above is a challenge to the christians here. Refute the above with a clear and convincing explanations for each of the listed if you are really truthful. Goodluck. source: www.evilbible.com

Why are we suppose to refute it? When you are done with copying and pasting from Christian bashing websites; reread the thread's topic and you will find out it has nothing to do with Christianity. Mal.u

Trottle: 71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

And this whole book is to prove what?

Stalwert: An angry mob on Friday destroyed a third mosque near Bangui, the violence-wracked capital of the Central African Republic (CAR).The destroyed mosque had served a modest Muslim community of about 100 members in Bassekotto, located 7km from Bangui."No one was injured in the morning attack," Imam Ahmed Tijan Naib of Bangui's central mosque, told Anadolu Agency.He said the attack had taken place at about 10am before Muslims had started converging for weekly Friday prayers.Efforts by an AA correspondent to reach the area's local imam were unsuccessful, as the latter's cell phone was turned off.An eyewitness told AA that a group of about 80 Christians had come with hammers, pipes and sticks and began destroying the mosque before eventually setting it ablaze.

"You could see the hatred in their faces. They kept chanting, 'We don't want Muslims here; they must leave'," Naib said.It was the third mosque to be destroyed recently in or near Bangui, which has witnessed widespread sectarian violence in past weeks.One mosque was destroyed in Fouh earlier this month. Another was destroyed in Gobongo, some 10km from Bangui, on December 20.

CAR, a landlocked, mineral-rich country, descended into anarchy in March, when Seleka rebels – said to be mostly Muslim – ousted Christian president François Bozize, who had come to power in a 2003 coup.The country has since been plagued by tit-for-tat sectarian violence between the self-styled Christian militias, known as "anti-balaka," and former seleka fighters.According to UN estimates, more than 400,000 people – nearly ten percent of the country's 4.6 million-strong population – have abandoned their homes as a result of the violence.
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=125804Christian mob destroys third mosque in Bangui

The question you should ask yourself is, who started it.

Months of killing, raping and pillaging had caused growing international concern of a major humanitarian crisis and prompted Christians to form vigilante groups.

You didn't see all the atrocities committed by the Muslim Seleka rebels that over-threw the government and started their mayhem spree. France had to intervene like they did in Mali.

YET YOU ARE HERE OPENING YOUR MOUTH AND CRYING WOLF.

The same thing happened when your brother Osama bombed the world center and killed thousands of Americans. Una no know say there will be repercussions!. You think because we try to dialogue means we are stupid and don't know how to defend ourselves. You think violence is a monopoly to only Islam? Omo, don't get it twisted oh!

Muslims never cease to amaze me. They are shouting that "Christians" are burning mosques in CAR. When Muslims over-threw the democratically elected government and killed people, their mouths were shut.

See how their brothers in the Taliban are cutting off people heads and using it to play football.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DePrD_Vz9rw

That is the so called "peaceful" Muslims.

Every human-being should should arm and defend themselves if such lunatics decide to call upon their Allah and murder people in the name of religion.

jimmy089: Go on Kip hating... D light (islam) kip shining. Islam my pride their FEAR

You have changed it from "JIHAD, their fear - my pride"

onetrack: To be honest this is more ethnic than religious, but the media knows that making it seem a religious conflict will get people to read more articles about it, because no one cares about a purely ethnic conflict in Africa. However fighting over imported religion is the height of senseless.

If vexacool can teach us where Jesus taught violence, then he has a point. In his desperate attempt to smear Christainity with violence, he has posted:

1. The image above
2. So called Christians eating muslims

What he fails to understand is that all the major conflicts in the world are hot-beds of Islam - Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Indonesia, Libya, Northern Nigeria. The common denominator here is Islam - there is no way to sugar coat it

Novice1: That day will never come. They are too deep in romance with oil to do that.

You are right

basithamsat: U ppl sud @ least think twice b4 u coment, u sud know dt d universe itself is law-governed. Saudi holds to koranic injunctions thatz what makes her oustanding among all other nations(neva been conquered). I tink datz wotz paining u ppl ''and we made the land the dwell of peace''

Saddam invaded, if not for the help of Americans he probably would have invaded the entire country. Arabs don't know how to fight Bros - they do know how to make a lot of noise.

Baby mama: Ha hahahaha!!!


Goats even ate some of the Koran revelations written on palm fronds

Yup, yet he opens his mouth and calls the Bible corrupt and his Quran not altered. It's Muslims that believe such nonsense.

all4naija: I don't even use Al Hadiths as a referencing in my posts because I know a lot of Muslims do not accept many of their instructions. The truth of the matter remains your prophet died of poison by the hand of a Jewish woman/slave!

1st of all - he can't prove what Hadith is weak and ones that aren't. When it comes down to it, the question you ask yourself is this - DID THE AUTHOR OF THESE HADITH BELIEVE WHAT THEY WROTE AND WERE THEY EARLY MUSLIMS AND KNEW MUCH MORE THAN MUSLIMS ON NAIRALAND?

The answer is a resounding YES.

Gamji007: I will show you where haters and mischievemakers tried to alter but FAILED woefully!

Hehehehehe - basically, you have no proof to state that the Quran wasn't altered. And the reason is simple, you don't know. As a former Shiite, I can authoritatively tell you there is a 115 Surah in the Quran. If we go back into the compilation of the Quran, we can see it's earthly origins. It was compiled in two years. Most of the reowned Quran riciters died in battle and all they knew were forgotten. Yet you claim what you have is what Allah sent down. Mohammad never wrote the Quran, it appeared over 50 years after his death.

I can engage you on the history and compilation of the Quran but make no mistake, it's altered. The only difference is you accept it with BLIND FAITH and I am not judging you on that.

Trottle

Let me orientate you. I can confidently say boko harams are not muslims.

Okay

1. They negate the prophet's teaching of seeking useful knowledge while they boko haram says western education is a sin

Please back this up with scriptures from the Quran and Hadiths

2. They go against the message of peace and tolerance preached by islam.

They also have a legitimate teaching in Islam to kill as well. Hence a BIG CONTRADICTION. They follow the words in the Quran and Hadith literally, you don't. So, you don't have the right not to call them muslims.

3. They kill whoevee goes against them be it muslims or others.

As is taught in the Quran

4. They twist the message of the Qur'an to suit themselves.

Holy lie is a teaching in the Quran, so you have no point

5. They engage in dastardly act by killing others unlawfully.

No different than what Mohammad did during his time.

Also you saying that those woolwich murderers are muslim thats a fat lie. Last time I checked, for you to be a muslim, you have to go through some process which includes renouncing your former name but they still bear Michael. Doesn't that ring a bell?

So, you are saying they are not Muslim? He does have a Muslim name my friend. He quoted Surah 9:29 after he cut of the man's head Bros. In court, he said that was the most painless way he would have killed the soldier.

Furthermore, how can you say you are fighting in the cause of God and killing an innocent man when you don't know what jihad means nor have you understand the basic of your supposed new religion. I suspect a foul play in the whole thing.

Again, you understand the Quran differently and ALL other muslims such as Boko Haram, Ansaru, Alquida, Al-Shabab and the 1001 other groups that believe in bringing about the previous Caliphate and establishing the rule of Sharia around the entire world. They are not different from Mohammad Bros.

Lastly, don't you sound pathetic by saying profane thing about the most noble of all being? If you still maintain your stance about he ordering thr killing a 70yr old woman then post facts which you extracted from trusted text ans religious text and if you can't, please request for a ban for yourself , am waiting.

So I am lying abi? . Don't be deceived oga - I was a muslim just like yourself. The only difference is that I see it for what it is now. Here you go:

After assuming military superiority in Arabia, Muhammad sent his adopted son, Zayd bin Haritha, on a raid against a tribe that wanted nothing to do with Islam. They resisted the first attempt to force them into the Muslim fold, and so Muhammad sent Zayd back, where he was successful in killing the men and capturing the women as they were attempting to flee with their children

And then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children [escaping in the distance]. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along” (Sahin Muslim 4345)

The captured women included Umm Qirfa who had ridiculed Mohammad as not been a prophet.

She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter [and another] were also taken. Zayd ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly by putting a rope between her legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two). (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 980)

Your history and Hadiths state other-wise Bros. I don't understand how a man can order the killing of an old woman. Compare that to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yet you call him the "noble of all beings". What is noble in what he did here?

rahazaqa: remove that universal,who made the rule universal??...not every country allows right to religion and some other rules like that!!!

Human beings made the law universal. No country has the right to kill someone because he believes in another religion.

Baby mama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqbKc6uprI

This is a good clip

Lies to convert and treats to death if the convert ones to leave - you summed it up quite well

Gamji007: Do you have a copy of the Shiite qur'an? Jews,Atheists and Christians have tried several times to produce a different version of the qur'an but have failed woefully.

There is only ONE copy of the qur'an world wide.

If there is a copy - what then? Will that prove that the Quran has been altered?

vexacool

Can you show us in the Bible were Jesus Christ sex with teens are encouraged? If you can't - WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE A LIAR AND VERY GOOD AT IT. I CHALLENGE YOU AS A HUMAN BEING TO SHOW WHERE JESUS TEACHES SEX WITH TEENS ARE ENCOURAGED

all4naija: That is nonsense! That is why Muslims reason backward and think changes is never possible while they are changing gradually without knowing it. That is also a primitive man idea. You are really and i d i o t. It is clear you don't know what change really means.All the laws you are talking about have gradually changed with time. Yet, you are brainwashed to think they remained constantly.

You aren't making use of your brain,man.

The Quran and Hadith does their thinking for them. That is why music and sometimes education is considered haram to them

Mintayo: Vexacool as usual,doing what he knws how to do best,derailing.
And interesting,he is trying so hard to validate n justify islam murderous and killing act by finding solace in christainity...heheheheh

I think he is the best at it amongst all NL muslims

curtain: Baby Mama! Thanks for this eye opener about Aisha's ordeal in the hands of the prophet of molestation, i had to abandon islam the moment i started reseaching about it. I came to realised that we have to be human first before we incline to any dogma. Mohammed is morally bankrupt and my human conscience abhors all his sunnah. Have you cared to read the mystery behind his death and how he died badly?

The so called "last and greatest of all the prophets" died by poison from a Jewish woman who's entire clan and family he killed. The woman wanted to test his prophet-hood and prove he was indeed a prophet. She poisoned the lamp and gave it to him to eat -the guy chop am and died. He killed so many people and couldn't save himself

rahazaqa: yes, but every country has its own rules!!

True yet there are universal rules that affect all humanity. The right to live, the right to free speech, the right to religion.

all4naija: There is no validity to your claim they aren't Muslim. They never said they were Christians in that video. Please, tell us how they are Christians.

Ask him again - A Christian is one that follows the teachings and life-style of Jesus Christ and believes Jesus is His savior. I don't need to tell you what makes one a muslim - Every Muslim that engages in violence is similar in action to what Mohammad did

Gamji007: My friend, that is the beauty and miracle of Islam. The Qur'an is the only Book that has remained unchanged,un-altered and unamended for over 1,400 years and will remain so till infinity years after your corpse become rotten, unlike any man-made law which due to its imperfection, will continue to be altered and amended to suit man's selfish desire.

Allah's law is the perfect law and needs not to be amended!

Unchanged and unalterred! - Are you kidding me? The Shia Quran has 115 Surahs and the Sunni Quran has 114 Surah. So, where did the extra Surah come from Bros? Isn't that an alteration? Or where there two Qurans in heaven for Muslims

How can you prove what you have in your hand today was never altered? Did Mohammad write the Quran? Who wrote the Quran?

Trottle: . Hyprocrite. So anyone who mentions Allahu Akbar as boko haram does is a muslim? I or can't they also be paid christians trying to make Islam look evil to the world? Double standard. Also quit being pained and insultive.

That is the problem isn't it - who is the real Muslim. Boko Haram claims they are muslims, who are you to say they are not. The Nigerian brothers that cut off the soldiers head in the UK claimed they were muslims and quoted the Quran, yet you know more than they did. Mohammad ordered the killing of a 70 year old woman by tying her to camels and splitting her into several parts; who are you to say he wasn't a muslim?

vedaxcool: when u see people with low IQ who act out like the deranged, u better avoid them and let them ramble in their endless insanity! Allah does not guide the Haughty!

And Allah hates the Jews and Christians. I wonder why he doesn't hate the Arabs

vedaxcool: In the Bible Jeremiah 19:9 and Zechariah 11:9 state that:

God Love says:

I will make them eat the flesh of their sons

I will make them eat the flesh of their daughters

They will eat one another's flesh

Let them eat one another's flesh

I will not be your shepherd

Let the dying die

Let the perishing perish

If the above is true - how come these "Christians" are eating "Muslims". They above confines the "eating" to themselves. In your desperate attempt to always attribute violence to Christianity, you show your stup.idity and ignorance.

vedaxcool: https://www.nairaland.com/1477393/head-saudi-religious-police-sharia#18803479

RIYADH (Reuters) – Saudi Arabia’s ban on women driving is not mandated by any text in Sharia, the Islamic legal code which forms the basis for most Saudi law, the head of its morality police told Reuters on Thursday.
Sheikh Abdulatif Al al-Sheikh stressed that he has no authority to change Saudi policy on women driving, but his comment may feed into a national discussion in Saudi Arabia, where women have in the past been arrested for defying the ban.
Although Saudi Arabia has no written legal code to go with the texts making up sharia, its police and judiciary have long enforced a prohibition on women driving, citing the country’s conservative customs.
Even without any specific law against women driving, women who defied the prohibition have been arrested by the country’s regular police department and put on trial on charges that include causing public disturbance.
“Islamic sharia does not have a text forbidding women driving,” said Al al-Sheikh, who was appointed by King Abdullah last year to head the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, the formal name of the religious police.
King Abdullah has pushed for cautious social and economic reforms in the world’s top oil exporter, including efforts to give women a more prominent role in society.
Al al-Sheikh said that in his role as head of the morality police, he did not make policy but implemented the rules and laws of the kingdom.
He said that the morality police had not pursued or stopped any women for driving since he was made head of the organisation and said he was not aware of such cases before his appointment.
But he added that a report in the Arabic daily al-Hayat on Thursday that members of the morality police had recently been instructed not to pursue or stop women drivers in future was untrue.
“We have not given any new instructions,” he said.
Saudi Arabia’s morality police was set up as an informal institution in the 1930s to enforce public morals according to the strict interpretation of sharia in the kingdom’s official Wahhabi school of Sunni Islam.
It is now a branch of the state, with a permanent staff and annual budget. Al al-Sheikh, like its previous heads, is a religious scholar.
King Abdullah’s reform efforts, such as appointing women to the advisory Shoura Council and promoting female employment, have sometimes incurred opposition among conservatives in the country’s powerful Wahhabi clergy.
“The era of King Abdullah is an era of reform and development of all state organisations, including the Commission,” said Al al-Sheikh.
Al al-Sheikh said he has worked to improve the body’s image over the past 18 months by clamping down on members who exceed their authority and encouraging a lighter hand in its dealing with the public.
“We implement the rules strictly if the Commission people exceed their powers. We don’t allow them to interpret the law themselves,” he said.
Women’s rights groups in the conservative Islamic kingdom have been agitating for a change in the rules. In addition to being banned from driving, Saudi women must seek the approval of a male relative, known as their “guardian”, to travel, get a job, open a bank account or have some forms of elective surgery.
(Reporting by Angus McDowall; Editing by William Maclean and Sonya Hepinstall)

No one was arguing this - but you decided to carry it on your head to show how matured you are. We were talking about the possible death by someone who decided to share an alternate view.

vedaxcool: What sort of religion breeds canibals? what shameless man would allow people film him chewing another man's body? all the hypocrites have dodge the above post which shows the shameful conduct of the religion of lustove

Old news Bros!