wirinet:

Legal proceedings for what charges? Legal proceedings in Ukraine or the US? You guys are dumber than Trump himself.



That's the perogative of the Ukrainians to investigate criminal activities committed on their soil, they don't need a US president to choose for them who to investigate.

If you call me dumb then you must be worse than dumb!! Did you understand what you are responding to? It was your fellow anti Trumper theshopkeeper that said Trump asked the Ukrainian PM to open legal proceedings against Biden, I corrected him that Trump did not because it was up to the Ukrainians to decide how they choose to proceed. I am surprised That I have to explain to you what is written in simple English yet you call others dumb? Then maybe you are the dumbest of us all.

As for your second assertion, yes it's the prerogative of the Ukrainians to choose what to investigate or not but nothing stops other countries from bringing to their attention allegations of possible criminal activities in their country. Trump did that and he is right, the Ukrainian foreign minister has said there was no pressure from Trump on them to investigate Biden so if all Trump did was to bring to their notice reports of alleged crimes by Biden and his son, then he was well within his Rights to do that

Man's not happy

It fits her more, very beautiful

obixcel:
Thanks, Mr. Robot

Lol

FuckDaMods:
I wonder why he is featuring that Ghanaian dwarf that opened his filthy mouth to say he is richer than dangote.
Ghanaians always disrespectful to Nigerians and yet they collabo with us. Rubbish

The song is about people living fake lives or fake rich people. The dwarf is one of them and that's why he featured him

Nice concept, very creative

TheShopKeeper:
Mary Anne Marsh: Trump's reelection is in trouble – Here's how it adds up (and why every American should care)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-reelection-trouble-mary-anne-marsh

As of today, Donald Trump is now the least liked president in almost 40 years.

The September NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday shows that 69 percent of voters dislike Trump. That is a toxic level in any race let alone one for the presidency.

It is impossible to improve that sentiment to less than 50 percent in the remaining 14 months before the 2020 election. Prior to this poll, the highest dislike of a president was 42 percent for George W. Bush after Hurricane Katrina in March 2006.

In the same poll, 49 percent say they’re very uncomfortable with Trump’s 2020 candidacy. That’s compared with 41 percent for Bernie Sanders and 33 percent apiece for Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Furthermore, a record 50 percent dislike Trump and his policies.

Other polls show Trump losing a general election to any of the top five Democratic candidates for president.

Clearly Trump’s reelection is in trouble. And it may explain why Trump allegedly sought foreign assistance against Joe Biden, the front-runner in the crowded Democratic primary field. That should concern every American.

It has been widely reported that Trump asked the newly elected president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, eight times in a July phone call to investigate whether Biden, while vice president, acted improperly in pressuring the resignation of a Ukraine prosecutor whose office was investigating a company that employed Biden's son. Trump denies these allegations and the Ukrainian foreign minister said Saturday, “I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure.”

It was also reported that Trump threatened to withhold $250 million in military aid from Ukraine if they didn’t cooperate. That money was released this month.

Furthermore, Trump insisted that Ukraine work on the matter with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, not official representatives of the U.S. government.

However, if these reports are true, a request to benefit Trump’s political prospects, rather than United States or its national security, is illegal.

...check out the bolded...why will trump threatened to withhold the aid funds, also why will trump say to ukraine should only deal with his personal attorney and not u.s. government representatives....

These questions you are asking shows that you don't even read your own posts, it's all fake news, Trump didn't threaten to withold aid from Ukraine if they don't investigate biden, he didn't even offer anything in return. Go and read the WSJ article you yourself posted earlier, it's all there. The Ukrainians themselves have denied that they put under any pressure by Donald Trump so why do you keep sticking to fake news?

TheShopKeeper:



.. what about trump's campaign promise to lock her up (hillary clinton)..until now trump has not given the go ahead to prosecute hillary...

...what trump did is very treasonous in nature...

.. what will have happened if any other US past president spoke to another foreign leader to start legal proceedings against a US citizen...

...another thing that should be of note is that the phone call to ukraine president was made few days after robert mueller's appearance in congress in july...trump is confident that the mueller's investigation has ended, so he is free commit another offense...

1. Trump did not do anything treasonous in nature

2. He didn't say open legal proceedings against Biden, he said investigate!!
Let's assume the investigation leads to an unmasking of criminal activities by biden and his son, the Ukrainians can pass the results of the investigation to the US justice department to prosecute. Even if the Ukrainians decide to go ahead and prosecute, it's their right to do so, the crime was committed in their territory and they can chose to prosecute if they wish.

Ukraine foreign minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1W60HU

You all need to watch this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_ybCgkg4w&time_continue=17

Abbeybailey:
Good luck with your fetish. Nothing will appeal to your ignorance about how things work in America. It's senseless arguing with your type since you have made up your mind that Taliban Trump is the second coming of Jesus Christ. Bye Felicia.

Is it that you don't want the allegations of corruption by creepy Joe and his son to be investigated? I don't understand why you all are angry that Trump is asking for the allegations to be investigated. You want him to sweep the allegations under the carpet because it concerns one of your liberal masters. If Trump himself as president was subjected to widespread investigations , then Biden is not above being investigated.

Abbeybailey:
You are something else. The last I checked, Joe Biden son is not a president of USA but the Dotard telling the Ukrainian President to investigate Biden's son for political reasons is treasonous. We are not afraid to call out our political leaders because we are taught to believe that our Government should be afraid of us not otherwise. So keep up lying to support the worthless Taliban Trump who is a well known serial liar.

what evidence do you have that Trump asked them to investigate for political reasons? Joe Biden's son may not be the president but his dad was the VP and he is alleged to have used his influence as VP to shut down the investigation into the corrupt practices of his son's company. Trump is right to call for such serious allegations to be investigated or do you prefer if the allegations are swept under the carpet?

Abbeybailey:
Even Guilliani who is Trump's attorney admitted to that on Chris Cuomo show on CNN. That's why it's impossible to have a rational discussion with people like you.

happney65:


I watched Guillani's interview live and I knew it was gonna go viral..Guilliani was doing exactly like a Buharist does..Bringing propaganda and lies to the table and he was caught on live camera..

Too Bad for Trump and his supporters

Guiliani said he asked the Ukrainians to investigate the allegations against biden, he didn't say it was tied to any military aid neither did he say they should help him get election related dirt on Biden. Simply put, they found allegations that Joe biden and his son engaged in corrupt practices in Ukraine and they asked the Ukrainians to investigate the allegations. Saying it was tied to military aid is fake news, saying he was asking the Ukrainians for oppo research on Joe Biden is fake news.

Abbeybailey:
Don't mind Coluka. When he can pay N8.000 for a cheap Made in China phone and hustle to buy N500 recharge card, he think of himself as an American political expert. You just have to shame him and his clownish friends. Those guys will defend Trump if he drop bombs on their villages and wipe out their whole family. That's how daft they are. You will never see them defend or uplift their country the way they go out of their way to defend Taliban Trump.

Name calling and insult throwing champion, if you want to call people names, at least do it with panache like Trump does not all these your lame clapbacks

kophschmerzenii:


You are a slowpoke!!! Why the withholding of military aid to Ukraine? Why was there a meeting between Rudy and representatives of Ukrainian government in Madrid?

You doorknob can arseelick all you want, but trying to spin actual fact is a new low for y'all morons. A Trump appointed official elevated this as a serious threat while this third POS is spewing nonsense here.

Why this? Why that? Where is your actual facts? Even your fake news media are saying there's no evidence of Trump tying any military aid to his request for Ukrainian PM to investigate the allegations against Biden. Theshopkeeper posted the WSJ article up there. Go and read for yourself and stop making noise. Another thing, make sure you get Trump this time.

7Alexandre:
Trump fears Biden so much that he's extorting a foreign government into giving him dirt on joe.

We've seen this exact move play out before in 2016 but 2020 will be different

#Joe 2020
#Biden for President

Fake News!!!, Trump is not extorting anybody to give him dirt on Joe Biden, he asked the Ukrainian PM to investigate Joe Biden and his son's criminal activities in Ukraine not to give him any dirt on creepy Joe.

Abbeybailey:
Why would I debate about America with a guy that never spend a second of his life in US. Your only glory to fame is googling stuff from right wing hate blogs who loathes people that looks like you with all the cells in their souls but you are too dumb to know that. Your world is cracking and you are obsessed about a country you have no stake in and a president who think of you as subhuman mongrel.

Abbeybailey:
Go and do that with your other Americanna wannabes licking the fat a$$ of the orange buffoon.

Facts and real issues Lucasbaloney!
Facts and real issues only

Abbeybailey:
The difference between me and your type is that I can show my face while you can't. Who is hiding something then. I can critique the president of my country without any bodily injury to me or death. Try that on your end and see if you wouldn't end up like Sowore. N30.000 Naira superman.

Call me when you want to talk facts and issues

Abbeybailey:
Go and apply for a visa and I can bet you that you will not get it. How do i know that ?. You are not even deem worthy by the Racist pig Trump that you worship.

I know you very well lucas, you know you and i have a very Long history on nairaland . You want to bring this debate down to a name calling competition because that's the only place you excel. In throwing insults and trash talking. When it's about facts and knowledge, you immediately shrink into your shell. I won't play this game today, Holla at me when you're ready to debate facts and issues.

Abbeybailey:
That's How poverty makes you a foool. I am a very successful guy and I don't have to prove anything to a guy that is not worth my Rado and Movado collections. Your best move in life is probably leaving your village to live in Lagos or Abuja . What's your pedigree in life. This is the only place in life hungry peasant like you can mouth off and that i will give to you.

I seriously doubt this claim of your being successful, with this kind of your reasoning? It's easier for me to believe that Buhari is the president of the US than believe you

Abbeybailey:
Every rational American knows that Trump is a pathological lying scum who doubles down on his lies when he get called out. Only 3rd world foools looking for Trump to help with their independence and political objectives will come on Nairaland to spout their garbage about a country they know absolutely nothing about. I bet you a $ to donuts, you and your cohorts can't walk into the Embassy in Abuja or Consulate in Lagos and come out with a visa Because Taliban Trump doesn't want your kind in America. On that I absolutely agree with him. We don't want to pollute our discuss with House Negroes suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Stop presuming to speak for rational Americans since you're not one of them, allow rational Americans to speak for themselves.

budaatum:
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The responses from the people in that photo clip you posted shows how unbelievably ignorant liberals are. They think Trump is losing the trade war because he lifted tariffs on some Chinese goods? Those ignorant idiots don't even know what is happening in their own country. Trump only did that in response to China dropping tariffs on US agriculture products. The two countries are close to an interim deal on the trade war next month and as a goodwill gesture, the Chinese dropped tariffs on US agric products last week and Trump just reciprocated the gesture . Please read all about it here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3028046/china-us-close-agreeing-interim-trade-war-deal-beijing-expert

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/business/china-us-soybeans-pork-tariffs.amp.html

budaatum:

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/09/21/politics/trump-unleashed-speaking-tweeting-more/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F

How does this disprove my assertion that the media has been caught over and over again lying about Trump and other conservatives? Just this week they were caught again spreading fake news about Bret kavanaugh. It's public knowledge the media are jokes and biased against Trump

Abbeybailey:
Only God can help you with your delusion ?. How come you are so informed about America but your homeland is a cesspool of rot and decadence. You will be better off in South Africa where your like belongs. Hungry little clown mouthing off because you can afford a N500 recharge card on your cheap Made in China phone.

How come you are so ignorant about the country you live in? Only God can help you with your ignorance

Abbeybailey:
BS From a clown in Nigeria. They rated him like that because of the lies he was putting forward. A lot of properties with his name are not his but he trademark his names and get some dough through the trademark. Secondly, most of his buildings are mortgaged the tilt because American banks blacklisted him after 5 bankruptcies and that's when he sort loans from Deutsche bank and Russian Oligarchs. How many billionaires starts a Fake and Unacredited Trump University in which he had to pay over $20 million to settle the case?. An hungry N30.000 a month guy foaming in the mouth about a country he can only see in his dream. My wife and I pay in taxes in one year what will be a fortune for your entire lineage.

This lies you talk about is known by only you? Forbes and Blomberg have experienced reporters who investigate these things before they publish and even after all the fake news about Trump's wealth by stupid fake news peddlers, they have investigated and still rate him as a billionaire but we're supposed to doubt them and believe an ignorant nonentity in Chicago who has no experience in matters like this? Nah, I believe Forbes, I believe Blomberg, as for that ignorant nonentity in Chicago? I don't believe him at all

happney65:


Whenever they report the fact and tell the world his lies and his stupidity they become a Joke right and also when fox news put propaganda aside and tells him he is an idiot he cries and also calls them fake news?But when Fox decides to massage his Ego they will no longer ne fake news isnt it?

You people are pretty funny sha..Lol

While we are funny, you guys are totally ridiculous. The media has been caught over and over again lying about Trump and other conservatives. Yes, the media is a joke and a laughing stock. They no longer report news, they just shamelessly spread liberal propaganda. You think Trump is wrong about the media being a joke? Then explain why over 70% of Americans say the media is biased and they don't trust the media? This is not fox news or Trump supporters saying it, these are regular Americans saying it in polls after polls by reputable polling organisations like Reuters, Monmouth, Gallup e.t.c yet we're funny for believing Trump on this? No, it's you liberals that are utterly ridiculous to doubt it in the face of all evidence.

Abbeybailey:
You are so dumb it is unbelievable. Hes enriching himself with Emoluments clause but a clown from africa dont know. If he's as rich as he claimed, how come he doesn't release his taxes ?. In America, your taxes reveals how vibrant and rich you are but you wouldn't know that. His biggest project is right across from my office building on Wabash by the Chicago River and it's fully mortgaged to the hilt with 60% occupancy. What do a peasant like you know about wealth in America?. Wait for your South Africa visa and stop spitting out garbage. Those journalists are tax paying Americans and they are part of the people who funds the maintenance of the White House, Camp David, the utilities and the Food that he and his family consume. That's what I meant but I don't expect a 3rd loud mouth to know that.

Forbes and Blomberg both rate Trump's worth over 3 billion dollars but pathetic Lucasbaloney in his Chicago shack claims to be smarter than them. I hope you will understand why I choose to believe two very reputable organizations like Forbes and Bloomberg over a nonentity with no known educational qualifications living in a shack in Chicago

feedthenation:




President Trump in a July phone call repeatedly pressured the president of Ukraine to investigate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s son, urging Volodymyr Zelensky about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, on a probe, according to people familiar with the matter.

“He told him that he should work with [Giuliani] on Biden, and that people in Washington wanted to know” whether allegations were true or not, one of the people said. Trump didn’t mention a provision of foreign aid to Ukraine on the call, said this person, who didn’t believe Trump offered the Ukrainian president any quid-pro-quo for his cooperation on an investigation.

Giuliani in June and August met with top Ukrainian officials about the prospect of an investigation, he said in an interview. The Trump lawyer has suggested Biden as vice president worked to shield from investigation a Ukrainian gas company with ties to his son, Hunter Biden. A Ukrainian official earlier this year said he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son.

If by your own post, Trump didn't offer any quid pro quo, in other words, he didn't offer anything in return, he just asked the Ukrainian PM to investigate allegations of abuse of power by Joe Biden and corruption by his son, then what did Trump do wrong? Is he wrong to ask the PM of a country to investigate allegations of corrupt acts by Americans in his country?

kophschmerzenii:


So how far with the fake news crappy line you mouthing yesterday?

Now it's obvious your lord want the Ukraine PM to work with his personal lawyer to undermine his political rival.

Ain't ya gat shame at all supporting this criminal.

If you're not a Dumbo, you should be able to see it's fake news when someone says, "trump is asking a foreign power to help him win an election..." When by all reporting, there was nothing about any election discussed between Trump and the Ukrainian PM. Secondly, being a presidential candidate does not make you above the law. If Biden did indeed use his influence as VP to shut down a criminal investigation into his son's company (He is on video literally admitting he did that) then Trump is right to ask for it to be investigated.

Abbeybailey:
Those American journalists pay his salary and the they maintain that Public housing he lives in. This is America not some 3rd world country you are used to.

Trump is not taking any salary as president and he is richer than all those quack journalists combined so he doesn't need their chicken feed money for anything and he is right to kick them out of crucial meetings, who wants idiotic dumbos to be in the room when crucial issues are being discussed?

Abbeybailey:
Hush your mouth. He's a worthless piece of human trash and we will get our pound of flesh on Nov 3rd of 2020. Meanwhile, keep your idiocy on since you don't count. I wish you are this addicted to your failed country and her worthless and inept Thieflicians.

Hush your mouth. He's still a million times better than you. Get ready for more tears and wailings in November 2020. Your Lamentations are just beginning

kophschmerzenii:


Cry on son!! Ain't ya losers also deny the stormy daniels thingy? Y'all are a class of clown. The meltdown and crap coming from gully and vanillaISIS is an indication that, they are in a lot of mess.

Indications upon indications, that's all you ever come up with, never facts. I will be here to remind you all when this latest round of liberal TDS has ended that as usual, it just the liberals and the media manifesting symptoms of TDS as usual. Like I told theshopkeeper earlier, you guys should make sure you get him this time, I'm sick and tired of your miserable failures to get Trump after every round of TDS induced craziness