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GEEOMOTAYO LOST MY BRAND NEW LAPTOP!!
I paid Geeomotayo Conglomerate Ltd for a consignment to be delivered to Nigeria. The package included a brand new laptop which I put on the inventory. After passing my package to a third party and having it delivered three days behind schedule, the package was finally delivered with the laptop missing. I complained but the company carried out a sham of an investigation and had nothing in place by way of compensation or remuneration!!!

They claimed the recipient might have been lying...but they couldn't show - as is their responsibility - that the package was not tampered with en route and was delivered with full integrity.

USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!

GEEOMOTAYO LOST MY BRAND NEW LAPTOP!!
I paid Geeomotayo Conglomerate Ltd for a consignment to be delivered to Nigeria. The package included a brand new laptop which I put on the inventory. After passing my package to a third party and having it delivered three days behind schedule, the package was finally delivered with the laptop missing. I complained but the company carried out a sham of an investigation and had nothing in place by way of compensation or remuneration!!!

They claimed the recipient might have been lying...but they couldn't show - as is their responsibility - that the package was not tampered with en route and was delivered with full integrity.

USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!

GEEOMOTAYO LOST MY BRAND NEW LAPTOP!!
I paid Geeomotayo Conglomerate Ltd for a consignment to be delivered to Nigeria. The package included a brand new laptop which I put on the inventory. After passing my package to a third party and having it delivered three days behind schedule, the package was finally delivered with the laptop missing. I complained but the company carried out a sham of an investigation and had nothing in place by way of compensation or remuneration!!!

They claimed the recipient might have been lying...but they couldn't show - as is their responsibility - that the package was not tampered with en route and was delivered with full integrity.

USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!

GEEOMOTAYO LOST MY BRAND NEW LAPTOP!!
I paid Geeomotayo Conglomerate Ltd for a consignment to be delivered to Nigeria. The package included a brand new laptop which I put on the inventory. After passing my package to a third party and having it delivered three days behind schedule, the package was finally delivered with the laptop missing. I complained but the company carried out a sham of an investigation and had nothing in place by way of compensation or remuneration!!!

They claimed the recipient might have been lying...but they couldn't show - as is their responsibility - that the package was not tampered with en route and was delivered with full integrity.

USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!

GEEOMOTAYO LOST MY BRAND NEW LAPTOP!!
I paid Geeomotayo Conglomerate Ltd for a consignment to be delivered to Nigeria. The package included a brand new laptop which I put on the inventory. After passing my package to a third party and having it delivered three days behind schedule, the package was finally delivered with the laptop missing. I complained but the company carried out a sham of an investigation and had nothing in place by way of compensation or remuneration!!!

They claimed the recipient might have been lying...but they couldn't show - as is their responsibility - that the package was not tampered with en route and was delivered with full integrity.

USE AT YOUR OWN PERIL!!!

Rossikk: My brother can you imagine how I was boiling while reading through this thread? The level of their brainwashing is just unreal. EVERYTHING about christianity and islam is pure juju. From their prayer, to speaking in tongues to their Eucharist (eating the flesh and drinking the blood of their godman, also known as ritual cannibalism), to human sacrifice (see crusades, jihads, both ancient and modern etc, in which untold millions have been slaughtered in the name of their 'lord' and 'god'). It goes on and on. The whites simply trick them by using various innocent-sounding terms to describe what they do, and they swallow it without thinking, only to come here to regurgitate their deceptions.

Indeed, Indeed. Unfortunately, I am atheist but still open to learning and experiencing new things. I was also christian simply because I was born into a christian home but as I grew into adulthood, I saw the sheer stupidity and emptiness and HYPOCRISY of the foreign, invading religion. If I were religious - and I wrote a piece on this - I'd definitely be into juju and the native religion. At least, it would be something more to my taste and the taste of my fathers and ancestors. If it were foolish to be religious, it is even twice more foolish to be religious to another man's god! Better to be your own fool and another's fool. I see simpletons here disparaging juju and our religions by 'binding' in the name of Jesus - replacing one juju with another that they've been 'BRAINWASHED' into thinking is higher, better, more honourable. That's why a lot of our people profess christianity in public 'to look good' and then run to their native doctors when shit hits fan. Fools, Fools, Fools.

StarFlux: I don't need to prove God to you. God is everywhere. It's up to you whether you want to accept God or not. Jesus said:

Now, you've brought Jesus into the debate. We haven't finished with God and you bring the white man's Jesus whom you've been brainwashed to believe in.

Look at yourself and realize how incredible your mind and body is, then look outside at nature. That is why I tell you: God is everywhere.

You think I and other atheists didn't know about the wonders of the human body and in nature before we said there was no God. This is the cheapest argument for God. Ever heard of Evolution - or you dispute what is a scientific fact? Evolution explains the wonder of my body and mind. Go read up.

With regard however, to your reply about the gods not interfering in human matters - how do you explain the claims of juju feats that, as I mentioned, are commonplace like bullet proof charms, or robbers sweeping with charmed brooms or people disappearing. Are these false?
I suppose my point is: if i did all the sacrificing and rituals and petitioning, could/would the gods charm me against bullets, give me a charmed broom to hypnotise robbers, or give me a disappearing charm? I know there are frauds out there but my question is really about the general possibility of these feats being validly part of juju historically and/or now.

PAGAN 9JA:
To start with, you must understand that there are a vast variety of frauds out there willing to make a quick buck. you can find some of them advertising here in Nairaland also. you cant make the GODS steal from a bank, for example. you might consult an oracle, or do blood rituals, offerings et.c, to appease the spirits and make peace with them, in order that your task is completed or done as needed. it is like providing a stroke of luck, which is intangible, to your work. this is called, influencing the supernatural, where you concentrate yourself on a particular force. in other terms, it is something similar to prayer, a worldwide accepted concept since the dawn of mankind. however you cant make the Gods/Spirits to directly help with the rain or rob a bank. no they will never directly interfere into worldy affairs because they are from a different realm.

I 100% agree with the above bolded. it is what ive been telling people for years. However in your excitement, you have jumped to quick conclusions, as a result committing flaws. this in reference to the next lines. It is not one entity. Space is infinite, ever growing, ever expanding. The Supernatural forces at the same time are ever growing to fill the material world, i.e., space. In fact, space has been conceived as an ever growing "sphere/circle". there is still considerable research being done on this and more neds to be done. and i agree with this also cnidering that the circle has neither beginning nor end and is most suitable for this purpose. There are many different spiritual forces around us. countless, ever growing. the Spirit is not an expanding gas baloon. NO. it is what i call "infinity", i.e., ever increasing in numbers just like numerical infinity.

Now you have by chance opened up a very interesting topic in your words, i.e., "TIME". now this is an area where extensive research must be done both in the fields of science and religion. In fact, i am currently consulting various Pagan priests and tribal shamans on this area. because Time is somewhere in between the material and spiritual world or maybe all encompassing. because though time is imaterial, it is not a force. In many traditional religious stories, especially those such as hinduism, Ancient Greek religion, etc. , for example, the Gods appear to be scared of time. In fact there is much confucion on time control, in that the Gods are usually helpless to exert influence or control over time.

Time it seems, comes under a separate category. it is this realisation that made me feel that we humans have not really advanced much so far. .

Now as your entire thesis is based on there being a single God, the case is Closed on your part and it must be discarded. it seems brother that you only see with you eyes. you do not realise that it is even possible to "see" with your ears and nose. that is how a blind finds his way on the right path. remember that.

Interesting rebuttal. However, when I said 'space' I did not mean the entity or proper noun 'Space' but the common noun for the gap between particular bits of matter. Besides, even though the universe is always expanding, Space is infinite and thus cannot be 'expanding' as you say (I am open to correction on this). All the same, I am intrigued by your take on 'Time' and the ongoing research you are doing on the subject of the supernatural.
Like the scientist I try to be, I am always open to new knowledge and findings.

StarFlux: @comsense

What you percieve as logic might not be logic for God. If God wanted to stay out of what is called "human logic" then he could do so. Many times it is difficult to understand God's will. This is because we cannot always see God's logic before it is explained to us, or something takes place.

Unfortunately, you would have to demonstrate this God exists before you can confidently speak about what he might want or do or act. How come you know about this much about this God?

This mumu guy no even try at all; the story too sweet. The 'Jesus' man for no appear in white gown, maybe jeans just to shake thing up a bit. Useless christian sellout.

RichyBlacK: Of course Christianity is different from juju.

For example, Christians do not make ludicrous claims like "if you read Psalm 119 finish, if dem shoot your gun the bullet no go enter".

Even the Pope, the Vicar of Christ, acknowledges the physical fact of the enormous kinetic energy in a 200g bullet traveling at the speed of sound and drives in a Pope Mobile - a custom-made bulletproof vehicle. Especially after Mehmet Ali Ağca's May 13, 1981 attempted assassination of the Pope.

As regards stories in the Bible, as a Christian, I believe them by faith. See definition of faith in my previous post.

Thank you.

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Ah man, never read; 'You will pick up snakes, drink poison and not be harmed, speak in tongues, cast out devils' - promises of Jesus to his followers? Hell, a lot of christians literally believe this and even try it out. Don't you believe in all the miracles of Jesus both the ones he did and the ones surrounding his birth? If you do, you BELIEVE IN JUJU. Only, it is the White man's and Jewish juju that they have termed 'Miracle'. I don't believe in any kind of juju, white or black. But don't come here and say you don't believe in Nigerian black magic or juju but you believe in the bible because that's plain ignorant. Juju na Juju!

Well said, ROSSIKE. Couldn't have put it better myself!

JUJU CAN'T BE REAL. Let me give you proof that God or deities or juju or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed! Anything you experience individually is SIMPLY lacking in explanation at present or the action of your brain (and the mind is a fragile and powerful thing)

Juju cant be real. Let me give you proof that God or deities or juju or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed! Anything you experience individually is SIMPLY lacking in explanation at present or the action of your brain (and the mind is a fragile and powerful thing)

Juju cant be real. Let me give you proof that God or deities or juju or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed! Anything you experience individually is SIMPLY lacking in explanation at present or the action of your brain (and the mind is a fragile and powerful thing)

now Juju, to be honest with you is a very blanket term. unless you dont tell me which religion, i cant really explain. because i think it just means witchcraft i s'pose. you are again very disillusioned. you cannot "USE" the Gods. you can appease, you can sacrifice, you can make tantrums, you can do what ever you want, but the extent of the human hand stretches only so far.
" authentic and sincere priests however can have more direct role in influencing the Dpiritual World. however this takes years of contact with spirtuality itself.

Well this doesn't sound anything like the claims of juju, black magic, otumokpo - whatever you want to call it or however you want to particularise it - that are commonplace in Nigeria such as robbers sweeping with charmed brooms, bullets bouncing off charmed bodies, people being made mad. What you just described sounds quite like any (and equally dubious) mainstream religion where people pray and wait. The juju I've heard of 'promises' results and that's why people flock to the juju priests.

Anyway, I am going to rest my case and say I don't believe it exists. Let me give you proof that God or deities or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed! Anything you experience individually is SIMPLY lacking in explanation at present or the action of your brain (and the mind is a fragile and powerful thing)

Let me give you proof that God or deities or juju or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed! Anything you experience individually is SIMPLY lacking in explanation at the present or the action of your brain (and the mind is a fragile and powerful thing)

Thanks Frikuenci. I will just say this to everyone; I don't believe in juju or religion.
Let me give you proof that God or deities or juju ore the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods or juju do not exist. Case closed! Any individual experience you have is either SIMPLY lacking in explanation at present or the action of your mind (and the mind is a fragile, powerful thing).

I will just close this case. Let me give you proof that God or deities or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed!

GODSON2009: @donovero
if you profess to be a scientist or science inclined in your argument/debate then you know that it is not enough to attempt to shoot down every experience argument or assertion,you should proof yours as well.
from all i have read all you have done is proving people wrong you should offer up a scientifically based explanation why
1.it is not possible scientifically for jazz to exist?

I am glad that you asked for proof. Let me give you proof that God or deities or the supernatural does not exist. This is a short lesson in logic. I hope you can follow me. Logic consists in building undeniable premises from a general one; as long as they all add up, the truth is reached. Eg. Man is mortal - this is a general undeniable premise. I am a man, therefore I am mortal. These two statements add up; if I am a man, I know incontrovertibly that I am mortal. If anyone comes to tell me that they know or have seen an immortal man, I can say confidently that that was either not a man or they got their facts wrong. This is checking facts with logic.
Juju and all religions depend on the existence of the supernatural to be real. If we can logically show that the supernatural cannot exist, then juju and religions are also false. So, lets begin. To be supernatural, it has to be above the material universe, so it has to be immaterial. Matter is anything that has weight and occupies space, so, the immaterial or supernatural has no weight and doesn't occupy space - it is everywhere and nowhere at once. Therefore, it cannot be a multiple; it can only be one since occupying space is what makes matter countable and separate. This bands all claimed supernatural powers into one entity. Now this entity cannot have all the qualities of perfection, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence as ascribed to God. Proof? Because they are contradictory - to be all knowing, God has to know the future, therefore, he can't change his mind (or the future he first knew would be false), therefore God is not omnipotent and not perfect. God is then limited and cannot have fullness of existence (having no beginning) as one needs limitlessness for that. If God had a beginning, then he may or may not be the cause of matter. So the supernatural as shown earlier is not perfect or the God of christianity. But we've ascertained that the supernatural had a beginning; that beginning had to have been from something else other than the supernatural and certainly not matter that we don't know about. If it is not matter, it is a further immaterial or supernatural entity. But we showed early on that the supernatural can only be one entity - so this fatally contradicts and cancels out the fact that the supernatural had a beginning as equally shown! So, the supernatural cannot exist. If you didn't follow, let me know and I will try to break it down some more. Hear O Nigeria, your God or gods do not exist. Case closed!

Oh and please, I am not talking about the slave trade era. That was a time when Africans sold Africans to the white man.
I am talking about colonisation, the conquest of African kingdoms, the annexation of port cities like Lagos.

PAGAN 9JA:
this is a very fickle reply to which i have explained before. The Gods do not dance to the petty commands and desires of humans. They only provide the push and influence our acts. It is upto us humans to decided our course. The Gods only help those who help themselves. It seems we people had our own internal conflicts and betrayals to cope with. we just didnt try hard and we watched and laughed when other people were carried away. when it was our turn to board the slave ship, it was too late to act. Our traditional religions recognise both the good and bad sides of nature in equal measure. just remember that.

Thanks for replying to my post. However, where do you get this info on the gods? Did they reveal this to you? I was asking why all the claims about juju failed against the white man and thus looked false and you tell me about how the gods act - which is itself another claim for which you have no proof or evidence. This way, the gods stay defended whatsoever happens. And saying that the gods do not dance to the petty commands of humans runs entirely contrary to what juju is seen to be. Juju is basically seen as using the gods to act and effect something in a person's life and circumstance, generally, at will.

I GUESS VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE COURAGE OR KNOWLEDGE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:
If juju is real and has been used by nigerian people for all manner of things, how come the white man walked all over us - destroying shrines, burning homes, killing men, pillaging our land? How come they crushed our armies, conquered our empires, deposed kings and obas (who were supposed to have strong juju priests around them)
Let's start with logical reasoning before we go to personal experience which may be faulty. How come we were not the ones conquering the white men and they speaking our language? And nobody please talk about 'oyibo juju' please or equate scientific feats like the mobile phone or aeroplanes with 'juju' because that'd be simply too dumb...I have read something like that somewhere.
I have seen a lot of bizarre magic tricks, bizarre indeed - like a showman plucking ideas out of people's minds without them giving any indication, levitating, walking on water, changing water into wine, swallowing swords but they've never claimed the power of the supernatural. These were tricks. I will be investigating myself into juju some more but I wonder, logically, how come our juju never worked when we needed it. Re: Things Fall Apart - where was Agbala, Idemili, Amadioha, Ojukwu when the white man came and forced their people to a new religion? I'd like someone to answer that please

I GUESS VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE COURAGE OR KNOWLEDGE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:
If juju is real and has been used by nigerian people for all manner of things, how come the white man walked all over us - destroying shrines, burning homes, killing men, pillaging our land? How come they crushed our armies, conquered our empires, deposed kings and obas (who were supposed to have strong juju priests around them)
Let's start with logical reasoning before we go to personal experience which may be faulty. How come we were not the ones conquering the white men and they speaking our language? And nobody please talk about 'oyibo juju' please or equate scientific feats like the mobile phone or aeroplanes with 'juju' because that'd be simply too dumb...I have read something like that somewhere.
I have seen a lot of bizarre magic tricks, bizarre indeed - like a showman plucking ideas out of people's minds without them giving any indication, levitating, walking on water, changing water into wine, swallowing swords but they've never claimed the power of the supernatural. These were tricks. I will be investigating myself into juju some more but I wonder, logically, how come our juju never worked when we needed it. Re: Things Fall Apart - where was Agbala, Idemili, Amadioha, Ojukwu when the white man came and forced their people to a new religion? I'd like someone to answer that please

I GUESS VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE COURAGE OR KNOWLEDGE TO ACTUALLY ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:
If juju is real and has been used by nigerian people for all manner of things, how come the white man walked all over us - destroying shrines, burning homes, killing men, pillaging our land? How come they crushed our armies, conquered our empires, deposed kings and obas (who were supposed to have strong juju priests around them)
Let's start with logical reasoning before we go to personal experience which may be faulty. How come we were not the ones conquering the white men and they speaking our language? And nobody please talk about 'oyibo juju' please or equate scientific feats like the mobile phone or aeroplanes with 'juju' because that'd be simply too dumb...I have read something like that somewhere.
I have seen a lot of bizarre magic tricks, bizarre indeed - like a showman plucking ideas out of people's minds without them giving any indication, levitating, walking on water, changing water into wine, swallowing swords but they've never claimed the power of the supernatural. These were tricks. I will be investigating myself into juju some more but I wonder, logically, how come our juju never worked when we needed it. Re: Things Fall Apart - where was Agbala, Idemili, Amadioha, Ojukwu when the white man came and forced their people to a new religion? I'd like someone to answer that please.

@Edruezzi, Thanks for your frank appraisal. I do doubt though that you are Igbo since you used the phrase 'you igbos' in one of your entries. Anyway, lets leave that aside. You have mentioned that the clamour over tribes is simply due to the traditionalist mentality of Nigeria and you mentioned how some countries with a single language have had wars - well consider this:
There are many reasons why people will disagree, however close they are, even nuclear families have fights and wranglings. There will always be fights among people especially where an outside participant is concerned (the case of Korea, divided between the Soviet Union and the Britian and America after WWII - the North became communist and the south democratic). However, there is only one bond that may make a people actually work together and prosper and that is a single unit of communication which represents a common understanding of attitudes and history (I am not talking about simply learning a foreign language as in colonial Nigeria) I mean a shared sense of value and history. It is one thing to fight; fights end. It is another - and this is more challenging - to actually work progressively together.
You mentioned Spain had a war - they did but Spain's separatist ETA are basque which is not the same language as spanish and the ETA are still actively opposed to the Spanish government to this day. The Irish were for 750 years colonised to adopt English practically as a first language but they were still oppressed by the 'real' English and fought a bloody war in 1921 for independence. The Irish Republican Army were still actively opposed to England until a few years ago.
My point is a Yoruba nation may have had internal squabbles, so might the Igbos and the Hausa/Fulani but the common language these groups share along with a shared sense of value and history would have made them work together to build powerful nations much faster than the patchwork as we now have can.
It doesn't matter that the Igbos only knew they were a people in the 1930's; they had never had to. They were busy building a robust economy within their various communities. The blunder by the British in bringing different peoples and kingdoms together into one nation forced them to identify as one people as a matter of survival.
Bottom line is Nigeria can only really progress in a full confederation or by a shedding of all our previous ethnic and tribal identities - wihich will take generations - and speak one language, intermingle so completely that we become one people. This is what happened with the Norman conquerors of Britain who mixed with the native celts so completely over generations, forming the current crop of British people. As long as we retain different identities, no progress is possible, I am afraid.