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Jazzlite:
A. In the case of a vehicle involved in a accident...that part of the front chassis had to be cut off.... and replaced....the VIN will definitely be compromised.
I would have love to explain in pictures...but unfortunately I am tied up somewhere. But I will still do.

By the way Oga I want to inspect Range Rovers too.

Actually, no. That would have no connection whatsoever with this specific case.

This is about other possible explanations for the scenario I painted above.

Why exactly would the vin itself be ‘compromised’ in the situation you referred to? This isn’t about a vehicle VIN coming up as belonging to a similar vehicle, which is what would happen in the cut-weld situation you mentioned.

It’s about a vehicle vin itself being nonexistent and invalid.

Perhaps you should read the posts again.

LeJeun3:


Make una no vex..... delivery is taking a little longer!

But most importantly, I am having a baby

Baby LeJeun3!! Welcome o!

Better not let the actual baby haver hear you say ‘I’ am having a baby

Jazzlite:
I will post a picture as soon as I get to the workshop.

You should also take note of the other features of the case study VIN sticker besides the numbers.

Jazzlite:
This is done all the time bro. Why are you speechless? But I think cosplay's conclusions smirks of shortsightedness... As VIN can be irregular or non consistent due to a plethora of other reasons.

It’s a discussion, so all opinions are welcome. Even critical opinions Sir.
To counter, no, it’s not ‘done all the time’. Like I noted,it may not be rare, but this instance is one of the evidence based cases.
However in this specific instance my conclusions are solid and I stand by them.

Perhaps you’d like to show how you arrived at your own conclusions?

I will be here. For quite a while. Well unless the powers that be decide the time is up.

Till then all those threads and all those dubious characters and shady and criminal sellers.

Cosplay was is here.

Latest example

https://www.nairaland.com/4472739/vin-validation-vin-tampering-case

chccho:
Look at this one forming holier than thou!!!! U and Jethrolite are both guilty of the same offense as far as this post is concerned, infact u threw the first attack with your usual intention to rubbish the thread and he followed suit.

I have no doubt that this your useless campaign u and that good for nothing cosplay have started will do more harm than good to both sellers and prospective buyers on this forum.. if u and your cohorts have any iota of common sense/wisdom u will have put on your thinking cap by now and thought of more reasonable ways to preach this campaign (but its already too late for that anyway) than jump from thread to thread derailing peoples posts and eventually painting the seller in bad image. As u can see that is what u have successfully achieved by discouraging this particular seller here.

Whether u and the rest of your cohorts like it or not this your campaign is already dead on arrival and u will all be put to shame eventually.

Whenever chccho valarinz are gathered there must be rotting meat nearby.

Dead on arrival? With the sensible dealers posting vin with sale now?

Chccho himself Megatone reincarnated.

Jethrolite:
Don't you have any other thing you do with your life aside haunting this board. You are the dishonorable person here and anyone with half a brain can see that.

I did not delete my earlier posts to clear my conscience, rather I was trying this thread clean especially from my part supporting your salvage title statement was the wrong thing to do.

If I didn't even comment on this thread, did your salvage title statement not already destroy this car sale? You are trying to pin it on me whereas you are the one who did it.

I read in another thread where you were being urged to explain VIN readings to potential buyers because of the detrimental effects of just saying a car has salvage title. Have you opened that thread and beg the moderator others this board to pin it for everyone to see? Have you?

I remember a guy called Jeffery Bill who made academic publishing a tiring job for most online publishers as he kept a list stating they were fake publishers and when a publisher contacted him to resolve the issue, asked for money to remove their name from his online list. In the end, he was sued and I'm sure he lost his job as a librarian in the university he worked.

You are no different from Jeffery Bill and God will disgrace you soon as you have chosen to make a living out of destroying other people's business, you act like you're looking out for others but you're just a schmuck looking to make money where you did not toil.

Do not quote me again, this is the last time I will give you a civil response.

Nairaland auto dealers, please stop posting your VIN to a person who is not interested in buying your car. If you do, then you have played a part in destroying your car sale. Only release VIN to serious buyers after they come for physical inspection.

Make I step in.

I just dey look you since. You went from trying to destroy a post in your own words to trying to be the good guy.

You won’t be the first. Are you Jazzlite? I’ve been informed this is his MO.

Please carry your rags and waka back to the place you fell out from.

Indeed we are all cosplay.

GAZZUZZ:
Oh I forgot... I am cosplay

That is impersonation. It shall not be tolerated

Now where is that jethrolite causing such a brouhaha over here. You wan join bad Gang abi?
So ipfreely is also Computerglobal now? these people are just ludicrous.

Valar valar. How does it make you feel deep down every morning you search my name and go through my posts? Are you often scared that you may have been called out?

There’s no greater psychological victory than having someone post a vin on your own thread after taunting and challenging the person.

Thanks....but no thanks SIR

valarinz:
I'm just so shocked to my bone marrows right now reading you shutting this fella down for trying to do a very dishonorable thing on someone's thread..gives me a glimmer of hope you guys are changing.

However, I never see u reprimand Cosplay when he does this, why In my case, the day you and your gang openly caution him for bringing my family to disrepute here cos of vin checking is the day I'll start posting my vin. Pls don't tell me u don't care if I post vin cos I know it'll be a major psychological victory for your campaign here when I do.

You? Post Vin? abeg don’t even bother. Any advert you make and the vin is deemed necessary it will be found and posted for you.

Chccho follow talk for here?

Reply withdrawn abeg. That guy is just an unrepentant magpie.

On the strength of the above, I came to the following conclusions:

1. One of the most common reasons for such radical VIN Tampering is to enable stolen or Insurance Scam Vehicles be exported. The vehicle in question may well have been stolen, or otherwise illegally acquired.

2. VIN Tampering is a Felony in the US. It's taken even more seriously than odometer tampering, which is also a Felony. I was, unfortunately unsurprisingly, unable to find similar entries in the Nigerian penal codes and automobile regulations.


3. The VIN sticker is easier or more subject to tampering because of its ease of access. This is not the same for some of the other locations of the VIN for these vehicles, one of which is just below the drivers windscreen dash, stamped in a location that would require the Vehicle Windscreen to be removed to alter. I'd wager that wasn't done in this instance.

4. In this case the sequential production number was the altered number. The last 6-digit number (in this case) which usually represents the serial factory production number.


I am well aware this may not exactly be a unique occurrence, as I have made similar discoveries elsewhere, but it's the first I've come across such an obvious case with verifiable evidence, on this forum.

I encourage any interested parties and the forum in general to be more attentive to vehicle advertisements. This is one of the strong justifications for making not just the VINs available, but including a photo of the VIN sticker/stamp with every vehicle advert in the Autos Section.

I welcome interested parties to subject these findings to the same process, and indicate any flaws discovered.

Thank you.

Further examination of the valid VIN stamps posted above will reveal the following.

1. They are all identical except for the details about the numbers, and the encoded bar binary. The fonts are all the same and they all have an almost imperceptible Toyota watermark introduced specifically to combat this type of fraud.

2. The text in the descriptions are identical down to spacing and punctuation.

A closer look at the VIN stamp from the study Vehicle reveals the following:

1. The fonts are different from the above valid stamps. The spacing is off, the word 'Vehicle' is misspelled, and 'Made' is displayed as 'Model', the punctuation is also misplaced.

2. The Toyota watermark is absent. This was printed on a generic black sticker.

I proceeded to examine the encoded 1D barcode and the barcode came up as a 2002 Toyota Camry VIN 4T1BE32K42U587577

Here we return to the VIN of the study Vehicle.

VIN 4T3ZA3BB6EU086998

Non Validating

These other VINs are all validating.

Vehicle 2

VIN 4T3ZK3BB7EU068929

Validating

Vehicle 3

VIN 4T3ZA3BBXEU081211

Validating

The following are VIN stamps for similar 2014 Toyota Venza LE/XLE/LIMITED AWD models.

I will be using the aforementioned online resource to demonstrate self-validating VINs for each of them.

Vehicle 1
A similar 2014 Model Year Toyota Venza LE finished in Red.

VIN 4T3ZA3BB5EU085389

Comes up as mathematically Validating.

It's common knowledge that a significant amount of information about a vehicle history can often be gleaned from the VIN, especially with US, and to a slightly lesser extent, Canadian Used vehicles. A VIN tells a story about a vehicle, a sort of AUTObiography, it may not tell the whole story, as sometimes information about a vehicle is kept off the sources that provide these VIN reports, deliberately or by happenstance, for varying reasons.

However it may not be as easily known or understood that the 17 character VIN is a mathematically determined Number, seemingly random but must pass a series of tests to be deemed valid. It also cannot contain certain numbers and alphabets, or is otherwise invalid.

The details about the mathematical derivation and the process to arrive at a mathematically validating VIN would be beyond the scope of this topic. Interested parties or enthusiasts are welcome to visit

http://www.vsource.org/VFR-RVF_files/BVINcalc.htm

For details on the subject.

For the purposes of this thread I will be using an online VIN validating website with the algorithm embedded:

http://formvalidation.io/validators/vin/

A standard US (And Canadian) market passenger vehicle has a 17- Character AlphaNumeric identification tag referred to as the VIN or Chassis Number, and is a unique identifier, a sort of automobile fingerprint that identifies and encodes an array of details and information about a specific vehicle.

Generally, no two vehicles have the same VIN. There are a few exceptions but those go beyond the scope of this discourse, as does a lot of information about VIN that would bog down the purpose of this thread.

On further investigation, I obtained the Driver door jamb VIN stamp for the advertised Red 2014 Toyota Venza LE, which I have attached.

At first glance this would seem like a standard VIN/Vehicle Information sticker. Everything seems to be in place, nothing out of the ordinary.

However on closer examination I noticed a couple of oddities that would be quite easy to miss. This prompted even deeper investigation.

I very recently came across a Vehicle Advert in the Autos Section of this Forum, as I so often do, and was about to make a VIN request, as I also often do, but I noticed I had been beaten to the punch by a fellow interested, as I am, in making the aforementioned section a more transparent and a safer marketplace for buyers and sellers alike.

I also noticed the reluctance of the seller to provide the VIN. This isn't exactly unusual, as while significant progress has been made and a lot of adverts now include the VIN and relevant vehicle history, some sellers still express significant resistance to the idea for a number of often less-than-rational reasons.

However, as I often do, I further investigated the vehicle put up for sale, which appeared to be a US-origin 'Tokunbo' 2014 Toyota Venza, LE Trim, ostensibly sporting the 2.7 L 1AR-FE I4 and finished in Barcelona Red Metallic (3R3) color scheme.

The results of my investigation have prompted this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/4458017/sparkling-red-toks-2014-toyota

celebs2017:
fully paid custom duty
accident free
DVD
reverse camera
33k mileage

for more information pls call 07082687207

Vin please

shevy45:
Super Clean,
First body,
Good Tyres & Shocks,
Leather Interior,
Blasting Sound System,
Alloy Wheels,
Superb Engine,
Perfect Gear,
Ac Chilling,
Accident Free & Lagos Cleared.

Price:1.850
Location:Ikeja
Hotline:07063578840
whatsapp:08091326403

NB:This Ride Is For Serious Buyers Only & The Price Is Slightly Negotiable.

Vin please.

Shevy01:
Super Clean,
First body,
Good Tyres & Shocks,
Leather Interior,
DVD Roof,
Blasting Sound System,
Alloy Wheels,
Superb Engine,
Perfect Gear,
Ac Chilling,
Total Accident Free & Lagos Cleared.

Price:2m
Location:Ikeja
Hotline:07063578840
whatsapp:08091326403

NB:This Ride Is For Serious Buyers Only & The Price Is Slightly Negotiable.

Vin please.

Op na roro abi? The rats on the ship must have eaten the miles during the journey. Rats love miles, yknow.

Criminals everywhere.

Cosplay was here

Shevy01:
Super Clean,
First body,
Good Tyres & Shocks,
Fabric Interior,
Blasting Sound System,
Superb Engine,
Perfect Gear,
Ac Chilling,
Total Accident Free & Lagos Cleared.

Price:2.4
Location:Ikeja
Hotline:07063578840
whatsapp:08091326403

NB:This Ride Is For Serious Buyers Only & The Price Is Slightly Negotiable.

Vin please

valarinz:
Bros, u dey work shift?? You dey always go three days sabbatical...na free internet u dey use From work??

I’m jobless Oga. Na 10mb data I dey use till e finish. Who dash me shift and free internet. But you know say you dey ignorant then sha. Your eye don open.

Smh. So much misinformation and disinformation.

If the sort of russian meddling in the developed world were deployed here, we’d have no chance.

Desperatejoe:
It's not a flooded vehicle you could come see it yourself at seme border

See what, exactly? Do you even have any vehicles to advertise?

And Seme? Oga

You have photos from at least 3 different vehicles, all with a confusing title.

And your username or your previous posts on this forum aren’t even helping matters.

After you make up your mind what exactly you’re advertising, if you’re actually advertising anything, be aware that the above is flooded.