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Post the VIN please. Thanks

toluxa1:
It doesn't even make sense to fix them in the US. It's very expensive you might end up at a loss. They all fix them here. Those cars are usually meant for international buyers.

That would depend on the auction title. Some salvaged vehicles are branded Export-Only. Those are the ones you referred to.

aAK1:
was this car fixed in the states or in nigeria?

The labor costs to fix this level of damage to acceptable standard before export to Nigeria would be significantly more than would be charged in Lagos.

So they get shipped in in their damaged state, sometimes are even declared as for-parts, for the very severely damaged vehicles, they make a killing on the import duty, 'fix' the vehicle - Which often is a shoddy process, what shady dealer would want to make the expenses to fix a deployed SRS assembly to standard, afterall- then the 'repaired' vehicles get a glossy coat of paint and get advertised by the fellows in the Autos Section as Accident-Free, with no VIN and no history.

An unsuspecting or naive fellow comes along and gets swindled into forking over some cash, almost always significantly overpriced.

Then the process restarts.

There's a reason why used car salespeople have such a bad rep.

shevy45:
Super Clean,
First body,
Good Tyres & Shocks,
Fabric Interior,
Blasting Sound System,
Superb Engine,
Perfect Gear,
Ac Chilling,
Accident Free & Lagos Cleared.

Price:6.5
Location:Ikeja
Hotline:07063578840
whatsapp:08091326403

NB:This Ride Is For Serious Buyers Only & The Price Is Slightly Negotiable.

VIN please. Thanks.

I had a feeling it was a similar situation when I saw your request. I just didn't know how dire the situation was.

It beats my imagination how one would witness this and the situation I described in the VIN Tampering thread and still be against the VIN being provided upfront for preliminary investigation.

The elderly gentleman, unfortunately, failed to do his due diligence, for whatever reason, it could simply be a case of poor preparation before purchasing a vehicle in Nigeria.

I have no issues with the price. The seller may choose to ask for 4 million NGN after factoring in repair costs, if he so wishes, as long as he has fully disclosed the history of the vehicle and provided the VIN. Sellers with ridiculous prices often get regulated by market forces after their vehicles sit unsold for long periods due to the high prices.

Make no mistake about it, the bulk of the responsibility lies with the morally bankrupt seller for failing to fully disclose the history of this vehicle and probably for taking undue advantage of the elderly gentleman.

Very unfortunate.

That's alright.

Alvin007:
You need to work on the way you talk...it’s ok to have an ego..but pride comes before a fall..who has your consideration helped? I’m not a car dealer so please...it’s sad people these days don’t take it lightly with people whose opinions differ from theirs. And yes..I say it again..I admire your investigative measures here...I don’t care whether it’s accepted or declined. #saynotopride. Cheers!

Pride? Fall?

How exactly can one fall when one is nowhere to begin with? Don't you have to have something to lose to be proud?

What would you opine I have to lose?

Alvin007:
Cosplay
As much as I thought sanitizing the auto dealership industry on nairaland was your main motive..I think I was wrong..it isn’t a rule here yet and what we are trying to achieve is for the best interest of a potential buyer. But, your choice of words is confusing. You keep using ..seller ‘must’..believe me, I know you’re fighting a good course..but there are rules and there are morals. ‘Must’ is for rules. What we are doing to is enlighten prospective buyers...kindly, use ‘can’ instead..until what you’re suggesting becomes a nairaland rule.
Ps: I admire your CIA skills...I’m not just a username..

You're entitled to your opinions, however unfortunate they may be. I don't really consider people like you as interested in making this section safer for buyers and sellers.

So it's alright for you to have your opinions, but I'm sure you'll understand when I kindly decline your admiration and your approval or lack thereof.

It simply makes no difference what you think or approve of. Not to me, and not to other people interested in making the Autos Section better.

Cosplay, trust and high integrity

Please disabuse yourself of that notion. I do not expect anyone here to hold a random moniker in high esteem. My work here will speak for itself. Draw your conclusions and form your opinions.

Ignore the unstable fellow and focus on the results of his lack of stability.

Just to add that in my opinion I think it's silly to suggest that findings, especially when significant, made about a publicly advertised vehicle should be discussed with the advertiser in private.

What happens to the next interested party who's unable to make Those discoveries? We're supposed to just trust and assume that the seller that didn't even disclose the information in the first place would then make the information given to him 'in private' available to a prospective buyer?

But what do I even know sef.

I have come across a number of adverts with the VIN displayed and running the VIN revealed a salvage history Of some sort and I simply moved on because the damage was either minimal or the seller even indicated it was damaged but repaired.

I have also done the exact opposite. On a number of threads with the VIN displayed the vehicles turned out to be either flooded or so significantly damaged or a history of odometer rollback.

Son I returned to the thread and made my findings be known.

As far as I'm concerned any seller that chooses not to know the history of the vehicles he/she advertises deserves whatever Ill luck befalls them as a result of their ignorance, whether the VIN is displayed or not.

Do your due diligence, fully disclose and provide the VIN and let the buyers do their own due diligence and make their informed decisions.

A lot of opinions from a lot of...usernames.

If I came across an advert that should have a VIN, I could ask the seller to make it available. Or If I decided the seller should and would know better than to not have the VIN displayed, I would Further investigate and find the VIN and the vehicle history and make it available right there on the thread.

If a seller does make the VIN available and I run a check and it meets some conditions, Flood history included, you best believe I will be back to that thread.

That a seller chose to make the VIN available would seem to indicate he's being transparent. That is simply not always the case. On multiple occasions a seller displayed the VIN only to remove it after the vehicle was exposed as having a flood title, which makes little sense but was probably a knee-jerk response, probably because they didn't even know the vehicle history.

Gazzuzz

Vehicle history.

Is the stated naira fee the fixed rate or it's pegged to the dollar fee?

SwiftSales1:
Full duty paid
Accident free
C300 2008
Give away price 4.3m
Slightly! Negotiable
Call or WhatsApp 08032804179

Please post the VIN. Thanks.

Is this vehicle in Nigeria?

valarinz:
You ran away on the other thread when I posted these screenshots, now you're here forming holy, pls explain the relevance of those personal slander on my family to your vin campaign...I'm waiting

Sorry, I couldn’t resist pointing out the difference between slander and libel. Slander is spoken defamation, libel is written or typed defamation. So I think in this scenario libel would be more appropriate.

Quadmaster:
Cosplay, ipfreely. Please verify

You could request for the VIN to be made available.

KceeK:
Asshole, you want popularity but you won't get it. Zoom both picx and open your eyes to see the difference. If you don't see the difference after doing so you need to go for eye test. I won't respond to you again #Growupoldman

If na insult you wan start you go get am plenty.

But just know that the vehicle you’re advertising is the same one chukel posted above. The exact same.

Don’t let your ignorance lead you astray. Many have gone.

This is clearly an ES300. It’s right there on the vehicle.

Explorers:
Someone bought this car yesterday, i observed in this result manual window and no formica.

But the came with formica and power window.

Those can all be retrofitted aftermarket with little difficulty.

As I’ve mentioned before, any seller who refuses to make the VIN for advertised vehicles available or insists on a physical inspection to provide the VIN has something to hide. Case study the link I posted above.

Whenever you come across an advert with the vin and/or vehicle relevant history missing and the seller refuses to make it available without a physical inspection, please run far away

For every seller who takes the above advice and insists on not making the vin available for preliminary investigation, there are 10 others who make the vin available because they have nothing to hide.

There is no crime in selling accidented or salvaged vehicles. The issue is when sellers take the above irrational advice and hide the relevant information necessary for interested parties to make informed decisions.

Choose wisely.

https://www.nairaland.com/4472739/vin-validation-vin-tampering-case

NEXT!!

What’s hilarious is that you think there are no ways to obtain vin information for vehicles unless the seller provides the vin. Wake up and smell the coffee son.

There’s also the massive obvious contradiction where you’re recommending due diligence in one line and discouraging VIN being provided in the next.

No surprise there.

https://www.nairaland.com/4472739/vin-validation-vin-tampering-case

Sure, don’t post the vin. There’s always someone willing to assist with that.

Sold for 275 USD.

Explorers:
Can you please help


ipfreely, cosplay, gazzuz

This comes up as a Japan-Origin US Market 2006 Toyota Corolla CE. Severely damaged, auctioned on copart on 13/12/2017.

It appears to be the very same 4Runner. 1-2 unaccounted-for years. There could be a number of reasons for the seeming discrepancy

Not quite.

2017 Honda CR-V Vehicle 2

Specifications:

VIN - 5J6RW2H93HL059004. Same as vehicle 1

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516913_screenshot20180803123437buyselljijing_jpeg3046b9d43c69d98331f6f9104b05edf3

Colour - NH603PX - White Diamond Pearl - White

Series/Trim - Touring, Turbo.

Drive Type: FWD/2-Wheel Drive/4x2

Cylinders: 4

Primary Fuel Type: Gasoline

Transmission Style: Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)

History

July/August 2018

Surfaces for sale in Lagos State, Nigeria

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516912_screenshot20180803123617buyselljijing_jpegfbe475904be399ba466bbc45e79e527d

Displayed mileage: 18,004 KM

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516894_screenshot20180803123700buyselljijing_jpeg3c39a8619c258124a8d5fa957e91960b

VIN stickers for side by side comparison of Vehicles 1 and 2:





Addendum:


1. Vehicle 1 appears to have disappeared into a scrap yard and was cannibalized for parts.

2. Vehicle 2 appears to be a 2017 Honda CR-V of Canadian origin. Note bilingual labels in French/English, Odometer is also displayed in KM, though for this model there is an option/button to switch to Miles.

3. Vehicle 2 cannot possibly bear the same VIN as Vehicle 1. Vehicle 2 has a relatively high quality counterfeit VIN sticker, which includes the VIN and the barcode from vehicle 1.
Note fonts, spacing, 4WD vs FWD, Colour codes, among others.

4. Vehicle 2 is a quite expensive, late model vehicle of uncertain origin and provenance, most certainly illegally obtained. VIN cloning par excellence.

5. Nigeria, specifically Lagos State, urgently needs updated and modern automobile safety and security laws/rules/regulations.

2017 Honda CR-V Vehicle 1

Specifications:

VIN - 5J6RW2H93HL059004

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7517085_screenshot20180804131318gallery_jpegfd522ade73418cdea91a771368adf852

Colour - G546M - Dark Olive Metallic - Black

Series/Trim - Touring

Drive Type: 4WD/4-Wheel Drive/4x4

Cylinders: 4

Primary Fuel Type: Gasoline

Transmission Style: Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)

History:

July/August 2017:

Manufactured and shipped to dealer

Early September 2017:

Registered/Titled - Louisville, Kentucky.

Mileage at Title: 270 Miles

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516896_screenshot20180804021809word_jpeg2c70caa1644388e581ae25eb70746abd

Mid September 2017:

Mileage - 270 - odd Miles

Devastating Damage reported -

Pillars totaled, passengers expired at scene. (Kentucky State Police Case #:17-00230). Rollover, Biohazard damage.

-VEHICLE OVERTURNED

-Kentucky State Police Report - LEFT FRONT IMPACT COLLISION WITH SECONDARY VEHICLE (Case #:17-00230)

-VERY SEVERE FRAME DAMAGE REPORTED

-MULTIPLE AIR BAG DEPLOYMENT

-VEHICLE WAS TOWED

October/November 2017:

Vehicle declared Salvage - State Farm Inc, Kentucky.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516911_screenshot20180804021723word_jpega157e83ddd37d5f9308e00aae2c2f8e3

Claims paid.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516895_screenshot20180804021921word_jpeg1bb8048610d865b64c0490d19c03bf6b

Vehicle moved to auction - Copart Inc.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX92/235c556c-3311-46d8-b915-24f5142c7a9e.JPG

Auction announced as Junk/Parts Only.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX92/23fb2e4b-2cdd-4d71-a20b-006ef55c2440.JPG

Auction document - Bill of Sale, Parts Only, No Title.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX92/c1a4a975-3081-4d25-9f9c-2c41565f309f.JPG

December 2017

Vehicle sold by Copart, Louisville, Kentucky. Winning bid 2000 USD. North Carolina.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/7516910_screenshot20180804015434chrome_jpeg8f9f012d6031718cfa095302f3daa8e1

February 2018

Vehicle returned to Copart auction.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX119/8dc2b9a6-b1ba-4a61-9ea6-82d021a4232b.JPG

Half-hearted attempts at repairs noted. Hood flattened, windscreen changed.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX119/76915570-0b8b-4300-a139-4e529d87f8d5.JPG

Vehicle still a hulking pile of junk.

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX119/b194336b-c197-4bb1-b5a0-b4a75bcbc253.JPG

Vehicle sold by Copart, Greer, South Carolina. Winning bid 4250 USD.

27 February 2018

Vehicle removed from Copart Premises.

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