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Janosky:Why is Watchtower involved in Politics? Why did Watchtower fund a Senator's election? Why did Watchtower hire Lobbyists to influence Political decisions? Why is Watchtower free to participate in Politics but You a mindless JW drone is not free to do so? Why is your founder against Jesus in his book below? Why are you an APOSTATE by following a BUSINESS CORPORATION disguised as a religion? Why is Watchtower practising broad day light Human Sacrifice to Lucifer in the name of No Blood transfusion? Why is Watchtower going against the command of Jesus by baptising people in the name of Jehovah, Jesus and the Organisation?
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In my opinion, I totally disagree with Raymond Franz who said that the Governing body are Sincere Believers of what they teach. I strongly believe Raymond Franz didn't reveal everything that was required to be revealed in his book. He only touched on the surface. More research on this organisation reveals a completely different picture of how their minds work. They know exactly what they are doing. They know they are running a SCAM!!! Will a sincere believer cover up Child Sexual Abuse? Will a sincere believer delve into the Occult? Will a sincere believer successfully drag over 8 million people with ever changing False doctrines? Will a sincere believer proclaim False Prophecies and when they didn't come to pass, the rank and file are blamed for believing /expecting these prophecies? Will a sincere believer Whitewash his/her organisation's history? Will a sincere believer punish people who leave the Cult or disagree with their teachings? Will a sincere believer demonise EXJWs? Will a sincere believer monitor social media, EXJW forums, and try to cover up their nefarious activities? Will a sincere believer destroy families? Will a sincere believer Control information, behaviour, thoughts, and emotions of people!? Will a sincere believer prevent people from questioning the leadership? Will a sincere believer use religion to run a Scam to part away with people's time, emotions and MONEY? Will a sincere believer engage in PR Campaigns in TV stations to give a False image of himself/herself to the Public? Will a sincere believer run a Cult? Will a sincere believer concoct doctrines from twisted interpretations of scriptures? Will a sincere believer deceive people to take the organisation as a religion when it is in fact a BUSINESS CORPORATION? Their intentions are always obvious in their actions outside the realms of the JWs!! THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. To pull off this sort of Scam, you have to be like SATAN himself: Great ability to transform yourself as an Angel of Light, Deceitful, Narcissistic, Greedy, Obsessed with Power and Adoration. This is the part where Raymond Franz is completely wrong. And I know why he didn't mention everything. He only needed to expose what was necessary at the time to protect himself. |
And to further buttress the point of Watchtower being A BUSINESS CORPORATION and NOT A RELIGION as described by Charles Taze Russell, Take a look at the discussions in the link below about KINGDOM HALL LOANS. When congregations need a Kingdom hall, Watchtower says it will loan the congregation and add 3% interest. JWs were paying Watchtower. Watchtower got caught by the authorities for acting as a Bank then they decided to cancel the loan payment BUT still tell JWs to pay the same amount they have been paying for the loan to time indefinite! Did they cancel the loan at all? NO. And guess who owns the Kingdom hall? Watchtower. Not JWs. So, JWs are paying rent for using their own Kingdom Halls! When people leave the cult, Watchtower sells the Kingdom Hall. And this where that whole Congregation having a Deficit comes in. Each congregation is given a limit to how much money can be left in the Congregation Account. The rest of the money MUST be sent to Watchtower. What a Scam! Watchtower is TRULY A BUSINESS! ![]() KH = Kingdom Hall WT = Watchtower GB = Governing body WT HQ = Watchtower Headquarters https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/ujsjp9/the_kh_loans/ |
So, a new JW is getting baptised in the name of Jehovah, Jesus and the organisation. That's all! Jesus's authority is not emphasised there. Is Watchtower obeying Jesus' command at Matthew 28 vs 19,20 as regards baptising people? NO!! Watchtower decided to invent its own Baptism. In order for a Christian baptism to be valid, it MUST highlight the Authority of GOD, JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. The religion MUST ALSO RECOGNISE THE AUTHORITY OF THE ABOVE PERSONS as stated by Jesus. Does Watchtower recognise the Authority of Jesus? NO. They have twisted his words in the Bible many times!! They don't even recognise Jesus as Mediator to all of Mankind!! They, just like the Pharisees, have locked the doors to the Kingdom of Heaven meant for JWs by asking JWs to reject the consuming of the emblems!! They say Jesus is just a Messenger, a lesser god. They belittle him!! They claim THEY ARE THE ROAD TO SALVATION. Even their founder believed he was better than Jesus!! Does Watchtower recognise the Authority of the Holy Spirit? NO!! Because they admit they are NOT INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit since they continue to make mistakes in doctrines!! They even belittle the Holy Spirit by calling it A FORCE!! They also say the Holy Spirit only selects a few people to go to heaven forgetting that Hebrews 8 vs 1-13 includes everyone who calls himself/herself a Child of God as part of the New convenant to the Heavenly Kingdom. Since they have admitted that they are NOT inspired by the Holy Spirit, it means they have absolutely no dealings with the Holy Spirit. And that is why they completely removed the Holy Spirit from the Baptism questions! So, if you already know that this religion is NOT Inspired by the Holy Spirit, why be in it? Why are you in it? What Spirit is leading them? Why are incoming JWs getting baptised in the name of Jehovah, Jesus and the Organisation only? What is wrong with verbally exclaiming to the Baptism Candidates by saying YOU ARE ALL GETTING BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT? Who do the Watchtower think they are to replace the Holy Spirit? Isn't that Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? That you have to kick it out of the way for you to replace it? Interested people wanting to join this Cult, is this what you want? To be baptised under the authority of Jehovah (A Freemason Diety), Jesus (whom they don't really follow or believe in) and the Organisation (freemason cult that love to control people, Sacrifice your lives to Lucifer and make JWs commit IDOLATRY)? Just imagine being in a Cult with no direct access to the Holy Spirit. Are you expecting Spiritual growth and enlightenment from the Holy Spirit while being in that religion? Jesus promised his followers that he will send the Holy Spirit to them to teach them all they need to know. He said they will need NO ONE TO TEACH THEM. Just the Holy Spirit! How can you understand the Bible better as a Christian and grow spiritually if you are in a religion that has admitted that they have no dealings with the Holy Spirit?
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Now let me analyse these questions. First of all, there is nowhere in the Bible where Christians before getting baptised, were asked to take oaths. The disciples simply preached the Gospel, the people accepted the message and they were baptised. Period! Secondly, the first question is about dedicating your life to Jehovah and accepting Salvation through Jesus. But Jehovah is NOT God Almighty. It is a Freemason Diety imposed on JWs to worship. If Yahweh was even mentioned, it would have been perfect. Salvation through Jesus is mentioned, at least they mentioned Jesus BUT the authority of Jesus was needed to be emphasised here!! Yes, you know Jesus is the way to Salvation. Do you also understand his Authority over you? They didn't do that. They even admitted Jesus is the way to Salvation yet before the baptism, the new JW gets to be taught that the WATCHTOWER IS THE ROAD TO SALVATION. This is double tongue and Idolatry. Lastly, the second question is asking the Candidate if he/she understands that baptism means he/she is a JW under the direction of Jehovah's organisation. In other words, the Person is getting baptised IN THE NAME OF THE ORGANISATION! That is, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE ORGANISATION. The new JW is now under the rulership/dictates/authority of the Organisation. Meaning, they own the person! So, Holy Spirit is Gone! Watchtower has replaced the Holy Spirit! |
Another way to show this organisation is NOT a Christian one is the Baptism Questions they pose to People getting baptised into the religion. Jesus commanded his disciples in Matthew 28 vs 19, and 20 to go out and preach and Baptise people IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. The phrase IN THE NAME OF means UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF........... In other words, a Christian getting baptised is doing so under the Authority of GOD ALMIGHTY, JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. It also means that the person has accepted to be under the Authority of these three persons that work together. Watchtower baptises people by asking Baptism Candidates to take these oaths/vows in form of questions to answer. Watchtower from the beginning to a certain point in time, were including God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit in these vows. But in May 2019, a letter sent to Elders in the Cult, changed the wordings of the oaths and the Holy Spirit was COMPLETELY REMOVED.
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Another As an excommunicated Mormon, who has also studied the Bible with JWs for a few months (I did an interview with your member "True Faced" on youtube--I now have my own youtube channel 'Freed From Mormonism'), I can say for a certainty that JWs are MUCH worse. Don't get me wrong, I'm focused on exposing my former faith. However, I will give the Quorum of the 12 Apostles some credit vs the JWs 'Governing Body'. The word Governing Body doesn't even appear in the Bible. The Quorum of the 12 Apostles, at the very least, have the sense of mind to know that NO CHILD is ever going to have 2 Witnesses in a case of child molestation. One thing I didn't mention in my interview with the True Faced channel (there's only so much you can put on a 1.5 hour video), is when I talked to the JW Elder about child molestation, and he told me the Bible requires 2 eye witnesses, I told him to show my one scripture in the Bible to show Jesus would have kept the identity of a pedophile 'confidential' from his disciples, and I'll take back everything I've said....he was speechless. Look at the way Jesus dealt with Judas Iscariote, did he keep it confidential? What about when he threw the people doing business in the temple out? If threw them out, what do you think he would do with a pedophile? Your JW Elder had nothing to say. I'll be the first to admit that that LDS Church has not always handled the issue appropriately. However, they DO cooperate with Police when a serious accusation of child abuse comes up, which is a big difference for JWs. When Church Bishops meet with the youth to 'assess their worthinesss', Church policy now states that parents be present with their child during these meetings. (To participate in the Temple Endowment Ceremonies, you have to have a recommendation from your Bishop, and you get a recommendation by meeting with the Bishop, and he will 'assess your worthiness' to see if you can participate in the Temple Ceremonies). You will also find on the LDS's website what is called 'Gospel Topic Essays', and they are coming forth with their history and, yes, they're being transparent/honest about it. In this way, if someone decides to become an LDS Member, you can no longer say 'we didn't know this, we didn't know that.," So now, the responsibility rests on the member to do their research and be fully informed before becoming a member of the LDS. This is in BIG contrast to JWs who have 're-written' their history and then lied about it. The Mormon Church doesn't ban higher education, they encourage it. The Mormon Church does ban caffeine, but they don't have a ban on blood. I also found the Mormon Church to be a much healthier environment for the youth. The Mormon Church encourages youth the become involved with your community. JWs feel that being involved with your community means you 'part of the world'. The Mormon Church is not having financial difficulties like JWs are who are selling properties, etc.. The Mormon Church is expanding the construction of Temples throughout the world v.s. selling them. The Mormon Church doesn't have any written policies on shunning, but I do see that changing in time. Just recently, they came out and said restoration of the Church is not complete, changes are coming. I do see them locking down on shunning. There's a lot I can say about my experience in the Mormon Church. However, JWs are far worse. |
Another comment. I think this is an ExJW. Jehovah's Witnesses are worse. Yes, LDS is also a dangerous cult, but at least they are less extreme, less demanding, less controlling and they know how to have fun. It's better to avoid them both, but if you would have to choose, don't go for witnesses. Another comment JW's are worse. All stick, no carrot. Mormons - internal charity, socialization for kids, right of passage missions, BY University. JW Organization has almost no benefits or positives. |
More comments.. JWs without a doubt. I grew up Mormon and left as a young adult. I met a JW and converted for him. Biggest mistake of my life. I would classify The Mormon Church as a high control religion while the JWs are without a doubt a cult. The LDS Church does in fact set a standard for its members and have some quirky temple rituals but the control the JW religion has on its congregation is much scarier. They instill fear in the rank and file in a way that the Mormons do not. Oh and the blood policy, that’s the icing on the cake. |
Comments from ExMormons who were asked which religion is Worse: JWs or LDS/Mormons. JWs definitely. Mormons can get graduate degrees from church-sponsored (and subsidized) institutions of higher education. They tend to be wealthier, healthier, and better educated than the general population and are over-represented politically---opposite of their JW counterparts. Mormons celebrate holidays. Their list of disciplinable sins is much shorter. Medical treatment is encouraged. Pledge of allegiance, national anthem, political participation, etc. Mormons can in many ways blend in with and succeed in broader culture, in spite of the refraining from coffee, tea, and alcohol. Mormons do not have a formal policy of shunning. Ex-Mormons are (by my observation) more numerous, better funded, and better organized for those who wish to get out of the religion. That said, the similarities are very numerous. Both have real issues. Both make you "weird" relative to the rest of society, JWs only more-so. |
If you go to EXJW and ExMormon/LDS reddit forums, you will be shocked at how similar their experiences in their respective Cults have been. In fact, both forums call themselves CULT COUSINS. It's like they were raised in the same Family. Even ExMormons/LDS come to ExJW forums and give comments about how similar they are. Do you know that in the U. S, if JWs are Preaching in an area and Mormons are already in that area Preaching, they turn around and leave Asap! ![]() Also, when Mormons are Preaching in an area, people begin to talk with them as if they are JWs but the Mormons quickly correct them and say "We are NOT JWs. We are Mormons". ![]() Cousins from the same cloth. Same family. ![]() |
achorladey:True. Have you seen how LDS have their conventions? Same thing with JWs. They also wear the same convention badges with the same manner of dressing. You know what I think? I think these Freemason founders had some kind of coven meeting where CULT HANDBOOKS were shared to them to follow or maybe they were trained on how to start their respective Cults. All Freemason founders run their Cults the same way. |
Janosky:Why is Watchtower maintaining and running International Bible Students Association (IBSA) that is now regarded as Apostate religion? Why does Watchtower own and run a Freemason corporation that still sticks to the teachings of Charles Taze Russell, opposer of Christ, and this same Freemason Cult do their meetings in Masonic Lodges?
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Janosky:Why is Watchtower participating in politics? Why did Watchtower not inform you JWs that Watchtower is NOT a religion But a BUSINESS CORPORATION? Why are you an APOSTATE by following an organisation that is not only a Freemason organisation but a Business Corporation? Why is it that your voluntary contributions are shared amongst the Shareholders of the company?
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MaobiCarl:The figure is not close at all. Get their yearbook and check the figures. That is, if you know how to interpret what you see there. It will appear they are many here in Nigeria but they TRULY are not many. Compare over 300,000 to over 200 million Nigerians as a whole. That is a very small figure. I used to think they were up to a Million. But the figures have been reducing. Comparing figures between 2020 and 2021, over 17,000 left the religion in Nigeria. The truth is, they have been claiming the same figure of 8.6 million worldwide for years even when kingdom halls in western countries are being sold and most of them are half filled as people continue to leave. So, the figures you are going to see in their yearbook have never been accurate. They cook up their figures. |
MaobiCarl:Jehovah's witnesses in Nigeria are Not 600,000. They are a little above 300,000. You can find that info in their Yearbook. Another similarity you missed is that founders of both religions were Freemasons. Most religions started by Men in the 1800s were started by freemasons. Both religions also have their own separate Bibles (New World Translation and Book of Mormon) deliberately translated to suit their doctrines. Also, if you see LDS members, you will mistake them to be Jehovah's witnesses. Their dressing and ways are similar. |
Janosky:Why are you an APOSTATE by following a Freemason organisation that is a Business and NOT a religion? Why are they obsessed with communicating with Russell from the dead? Why are you following a Satanic Cult that has Successfully made you JWs commit IDOLATRY? |
Janosky:Why did Watchtower not inform you JWs that they are NOT a religion but a BUSINESS CORPORATION as properly described by Russell? |
Maynman:That website is what JWs call Apostate website. I will check out the post. |
Janosky:Why is the word Grand Master in your Bible? Why is Watchtower describing Jehovah as Grand Master?
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Janosky:Why is Watchtower described as a BUSINESS and NOT A RELIGION here in this letter from Charles Taze Russell to Shareholders?
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Janosky:Why is your Freemason organisation championing the NEW WORLD ORDER?
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Janosky:Why did your founder believe he was better than Jesus and that He must be followed and not Jesus?
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Janosky:Oh you are scared! You can't answer abi? You must answer today!!! Why are your Governing body communicating with the dead Anointed ones to give you JWs "Spiritual food at the proper time"? Why are they obsessed with Charles Taze Russell? Why did they believe that Charles is more inspired than Jesus? |
Janosky:Why are you an APOSTATE? Why did you leave the original teachings of your freemason god Charles Taze Russell? Why did you change your name from IBSA to Jehovah's witnesses in order to become an APOSTATE? Why are you following Rutherford who turned himself to an APOSTATE in changing the doctrines of your Cult? Why are you JWs turning others from other churches to become APOSTATES in order to join your Cult? |
Janosky:Delusion of Grandeur mixed with Mental illness!! Tell me, why did Watchtower deviate itself from Christendom, thereby, proving that you JWs are NOT Christians? Why did Watchtower proclaim that all churches will be destroyed which aligns with the ideals of Freemasons? Why is Watchtower a member of the Wild beast? Why is Watchtower championing the NEW WORLD ORDER? Why is Watchtower worshipping a Diety that is both Male and Female? Why is the name JEHOVAH found in Books of Magic and Spells? Why did Watchtower make you JWs worship A diety found in books of magic? |
Janosky:Why is it that Watchtower OWNS INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS ASSOCIATION and STILL RUNS IT to this very day? Did your beloved website make mention of this? Why is it that Watchtower is still promoting the teachings of Russell of which you JWs now call "Apostate teachings"? Why was Russell in opposition to Jesus yet Watchtower sees no problem in maintaining his teachings by running IBSA to this very day? Why is it that Rutherford said that Russell, even though Dead, still speaks again and the Governing body love to speak with "Russell" after he died? |
achorladey:So they are aware that Christendom is Christianity. Any twisted definition you get from these people is inspired teaching of demons. It's Perversion. Their Apostate definition is even Laughable. Dictionary defines Apostate as someone who abandons a belief for another. Jehovah's Witnesses are Apostates for claiming to have left the original beliefs of Watchtower started by Charles Taze Russell. They are Apostates for renaming themselves Jehovah's witnesses. They are also Apostates each time their doctrines change. People who left their previous religions to join Jehovah's witnesses are Apostates. Even Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as a whole is an Apostate for OWNING International Bible Students Association AND RUNNING IT to this very day helping them to maintain the teachings of Charles Taze Russell. Charles Taze Russell claiming to be better than Jesus is an apostate. This is how pointing fingers work. One finger pointing at someone, four fingers pointing right back at you. ![]() |
So, Jehovah's witnesses are praying to, working day and night Preaching under sun, arguing up and down with people trying to show them the light, willfully sacrificing their lives in the name of No Blood Transfusion to a Diety that is both Male and Female, without even knowing they are doing it? So, the so called diety is like the dieties below? ![]() That's very unfortunate. And it is from these Androgynous gods that the popular Transgender Agenda emanated from. Satan Manifests himself in so many different forms.
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Maynman:Exactly. And they have made Jehovah the most important personality in the religion same way as Jehovah is the most important name in Freemasonry. Look at what a comment said about the name Jehovah he came accross in a book of magic below
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![]() A very interesting reveal about Jehovah below.
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