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lonikit:
u are just contradicting ursev. u initially said he abolished some, now u are saying he fulfilled them.

if u say new testament abolished sacrifice then, what is tithing

I believe this is the essence of tithing, tithe is not meant for the development of church. its strictly for the levite becus they lack inheritance. so tel me if ur pastor equate a levite.

Numbers 18:24 KJV
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord , I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Gr8 man, this tithe debate obviously will keep us going round in circles.
This topic wasn't actually meant for this argument, but to validate the calling and fight of Daddy Freeze and to let the world know that he's not working for God as there are no scriptural backup for him wheresoever.
So if you must continue to quote me, I would appreciate you stick to the points initially raised.

lonikit:
so wht daddy freeze is correcting is a positive lifestyle of pastors abi
u nid to groom ursev in the world sir.

Gr8 man,why not go back and read the story of gomer in Hosea. And then equate that to the actions of freeze. There is indeed no correlation sir.

nicemuyoo:
Isaiah 45!!! Cyrus the anointed who never knew God or acknowledge him. Yet he gave him great victory and glory over all the nations breaking every stronghold before him. How do you explain that? God can use anybody!! When people just say things with no good knowledge of scriptures
This is what the Lord says to his anointed,

to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of

to subdue nations before him

and to strip kings of their armor,

to open doors before him

so that gates will not be shut:

2I will go before you

and will level the mountainsa ;

I will break down gates of bronze

and cut through bars of iron.

3I will give you hidden treasures,

riches stored in secret places,

so that you may know that I am the Lord,

the God of Israel, who summons you by name.

4For the sake of Jacob my servant,

of Israel my chosen,

I summon you by name

and bestow on you a title of honor,

though you do not acknowledge me.

God can use anybody. Agreed.
But God has never used anybody to correct or rebuke prophets or pastors both genuine or fake.
But here we have freeze insulting elderly men, and mocking them.
And you telling me he's being used by God.
Moreover everyone used in d scriptures was once a nobody.

lonikit:
u just shot ursev in the legs. how many did he abolish sir??

another question here is that do u beliv he abolished sacrifice. this one is important, kindly ans.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
His mission was to fulfill and complete the work of God sir, not abolishing d law.
Yes many places in the new testament spoke against that. Read Heb 10:1-10.
Tnks.

lonikit:
God can used anybody sir. he can do anytin he wishes.
he used Gomer an harlot to correct the nation of Judah.
u can't decide for him. he uses the weak to confound the mighty and the foolish to confound the wise.

Point of correction, he used the negative lifestyle of Gomer to enlighten prophet Hosea.
Gomer never preached to any prophet neither did she correct God's people.

OkaiCorne:
Read Matthew 23 v 23 and tell us if Jesus had fulfilled the law which includes tithing and animal sacrifice at the time He was discussing with the Pharisees

Jesus never condemned animal sacrifice, but Christians are not doing it...why is this so sir?

Also tell us if Jesus fully or partially fulfilled the Law which includes Tithing and animal sacrifice.

Thanks

When I say Jesus bro, I mean d entire new covenant or testament.
in which case animal sacrifice was clearly condemned, of which I hv referenced before to you.
Are you saying that after his resurrection, Dat Christ change his mind in Matthew 23:23?.

lonikit:
there are 613 mosaic law which tithing is among. how many do we stil practice or emphasis like tithing.
even if we choose to stil live by the old testament laws after the death of christ. the fact is that tithe is not practised again as commanded by God, no pastor is qualified to receive it bcus non of them equate levite, tithe was never commanded to be done in monetary form, even though u can transform it to money in some cases, u must stil use the money to buy food and eat and not to be given to the levite in charge.
tithe belong to four groups according to its law: the stranger, widow, fatherless and levite
tithing was not practice every week in the bible.
so tell us why we shud tithe nw when our pastors hav gone totally against the law of tithing.

All the ones recommended by Christ we still practice,and the ones abolished by him we stop practising.
where did Christ abolish tithing?.
However in Matthew 23:23 he recommended it.

OkCornel:
In Matthew 23 v 23, bear in mind that Jesus had not fulfilled the Law at that point in time. Just as He supported tithing, He also supported animal sacrifice which was still ongoing at that point in time.

If Jesus supported both tithing and animal sacrifice in the context of Matthew 23 v 23, why are you not doing animal sacrifice...but still tithing?

Are you implying Jesus fulfilled the Law partially?

where did he support animal sacrifice in Matthew 23:23?.

OkCornel:
These books find their roots in teachings of Christ. I would rather focus on the teachings of Jesus first, before delving into the letters of Paul and other Apostles...

Do not place the cart before the horse.

Nothing can be built without a core foundation in place...

OK. Let's not stretch it further to avoid insults.
All I want you to do now, is for you to sit down and try your Daddy with the scriptures.
He's calling and all his actions.
The simple truth is that he is not working for God and if not God then its the devil.

lonikit:
sir, tell us why he didn't practise it.
tell us why his direct Apostles didn't practise it.
tell us if tithing is supposed to be done in monetary form
tell us if any Nigerian pastor is qualified to receive tithe.
pls be objective

point 1.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Here Jesus supported tithing.
point 2.
Jesus supported it and his disciples never contradicted that,and on there on part supported giving to the church.
Point 3.
What the scripture does is lay foundation upon which we are to continue thereby.
where in the scriptures have you seen microphones used for sermons or fliers being shared, you can as well say it is not scriptural to make use of them in our society today.
You and I will agree that livestock and crops can't be used for tithing anymore.
If it was to be practiced and that God won't be against money because that's the only way to get the correct 10% today.
Point 4.
Every child of God is a spiritual jew,and levites are part of Israeli family that was separated.
So therefore yes, genuine pastors are spiritual jews that has as well being separated for the work of God.
However this tread, is not based on d debate of tithing but on the validity of Daddy freeze being used by God to correct his church.

OkCornel:
You "tithers" have been asking if Jesus abolished tithes...and I asked if Jesus also condemned animal sacrifice. Yet you have not given me any clear answers.

1) If God said tithes are 10% of crops and livestocks, who is preaching this false doctrine that tithe is 10% of gold and silver (money)?

2) Why is the Church disobeying God's instruction on how tithing should be done as He instructed? Israel had a glorious era under Solomon where gold and silver was common. During that period, tithe was still 10% of crops and livestock. If tithe did not change into Gold and Silver back in those days, why should it change into money today?

3) Are you aware that there were conflicts similar to this tithing issue in the early church? Where some Jewish Christians preached false doctrines that circumcision is essential before you can become a Christian? What was Paul's response to this issue and how can this be applied to the obligatory doctrine of "tithing" falsely preached by Pastorpreneurs?

Per the bolded part of your message I quoted, anyone here can see that its obvious you need it more than I do if you cannot answer these questions.

So therefore the book of Romans, Philippians, Peter and other scriptures doesn't matter much to you, because it's not directly from Christ?.
Seriously if that's the case this argument has to end cos it's seriously leading us no where.

OkCornel:
You that knows a lot about the scriptures, kindly show me where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice and not Paul.

The reason you are not doing animal sacrifice is the same reason why tithing is no longer obligatory. Besides, paying monetary tithe is not scriptural.

Or was it Jesus that wrote Hebrews?

I Neva knew I have being debating with a Lad. What do you mean by Jesus and Paul?. Is all the new testament not part of the new covenant?.
Pls accept ur ignorance and seek repentance.

bloodofthelamb:
Feeling or showing remorse cannot wipe away your sins.... Your tears cannot takeaway your iniquity...

Our only restitution is faith in the precious blood CHRIST JESUS.

Therefore ones you have that faith you can always welcome sin and continue thereby?.
I have just come to notice that most of the sheeples of Freeze barely know the scriptures.

OkCornel:
Since you also know the TRUTH, kindly show us where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice.

If Jesus did not condemn animal sacrifice and you are not doing it...that's the same reason that tells you why tithing as designed and instructed by God is obsolete in line with today's realities.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I guess you know nothing much about the scriptures, there are other places in the new testament where animal sacrifice were condemned.
You may not believe in tithing as a Xtian but stop ignorantly supporting the devil to divide the church through his servant, cos when the wrath comes u may not be spared.
PEACE.

xaggar:
Thank you sooooooo much for imputing knowledge unto the op's folly.

They don't read the scriptures and even when they don't, they still refuse those who do to tell them the truth. The truth is what Freeze Spoke and that's why it is being heard. The truth is known when spoken and never hides for long.

What is the Truth?. D truth is simply the word JOHN 17:17.
If Freeze has said the truth, why not give us a scriptural backings of his truth.
All I can see in the old and new testament is Christ applauding those that give to the church, even the lady that wasted an expensive oil on Christ was applauded by him.
Since you know the truth, why not show me where tithing was abolished in the new testament, or where giving to Christ has no more blessings attached to it.

bloodofthelamb:
No one can break free from sin without the power of God controling him.

A sinner is justified before GOD through CHRIST, and not through feeling sorry and emotional.

I guess a robber, prostitute, gay, lesbian and fornicators who accepts Christ and still continue without remorse in these lifestyles are justified by Grace?.
The truth is that this useless Grace mentality of urs is more worrisome to the church than tithing,yet your papa chose to fight the latter.

OkCornel:
And what of the "fully grown" Christians that cannot show me a verse in the Bible where God instructed people to pay tithes in monetary form?

I guess since Christ and his disciples used legs to preach the gospel in the scriptures, you would as well want a fully grown Xtian who would show you where the scriptures says that we can now use bikes, cars and microphones?.
Grow up bro and stop asking silly questions.

OkCornel:
Is Daddy Freeze Jesus?

Are you God?

Every child of God must and I repeat must conform to the scriptures, in character, will and mission.
Jesus did,all the apostles.
Should freeze case be different?. Or do we have another law that guides him?.

OkCornel:
I will repeat it again. Being a Christian that you are...pray that the Holy Spirit convicts Freeze of his wrong doings instead of mocking him.

If maintaining relationships is his area of weakness, then it would be foolish expecting a new born baby to run around on the day of his birth.
The child will stumble and fall into errors and mistakes. All these are part of a painful growth process.

I see no difference between a fornicator and a masturbator though... have you ever wondered why Jesus preached about thinking of a woman naked?

When one becomes a believer, I expect him or her to first fight to win souls, abolish lawlessness and install holiness.
Bt I can't c freeze doing dat, so therefore he's nt a baby Xtian bt a man on a suicide mission.
I just pray he realize sooner rather than later.

OkCornel:
Did the Devil use Jesus when He called the Pharisees and Sadduccees (both old and young men) white-washed tombs?

Jesus has always validated the scriptures.
But you can't say that for your daddy

bloodofthelamb:
Apostle Paul was a muderer and a slanderer, but Christ used him greatly... Mathew was a tax collector turned apostle, and so many more.

Freeze can be a fornicator turned preacher... With GOD all things are possible.

Hahahahahahahahaha.
We all know he's not a turned preacher and that he also still publicly flaunts his girlfriend and fornicate without remorse.
Pls forget sentiment and accept the raw truth abt ur daddy

bloodofthelamb:
Apostle Paul was a muderer and a slanderer, but Christ used him greatly... Mathew was a tax collector turned apostle, and so many more.

Freeze can be a fornicator turned preacher... With GOD all things are possible.

Hahahahahahahahaha.
We all know he's not a turned preacher and that he also still publicly flaunts his girlfriend and fornicate without remorse.
Pls forget sentiment and accept the raw truth abt ur daddy.

OkCornel:
If you are truly a Christian, pray for Freeze so God will deliver him from his sinful ways like He did to David after Prophet Nathan confronted him ....OR You can keep on criticizing him like the Pharisees and other Law conscious people do.

By the way, if yo have sins or errors in your life you are rationalizing and justifying...you have no scriptural or moral right to even think of judging Freeze

Cheers

Am not here to judge anyone or condemn anyone.
All am trying to do is let the ignorant so called believers know how the devil has used him to deceive them.
The truth is, no true child of God will fight and speak ILL of elderly men and pastors like freeze irrespective of his view on tithing

OkCornel:
If you are truly a Christian, pray for Freeze so God will deliver him from his sinful ways like He did to David after Prophet Nathan confronted him ....OR You can keep on criticizing him like the Pharisees and other Law conscious people do.

By the way, if yo have sins or errors in your life you are rationalizing and justifying...you have no scriptural or moral right to even think of judging Freeze

Cheers

Am not here to judge anyone or condemn anyone.
All am trying to do is let the ignorant so called believers know how the devil has used him to deceive them.
The truth is, no true child of God will fight and speak ILL of elderly men and pastors like freeze irrespective of his view on tithing.

OnyeOGA:
Ezekiel is of the same opinion. He says: “Woe to the pastors who feed themselves instead of their flocks. Shouldn’t pastors feed the sheep? You eat the best food and wear the finest clothes, but you let your flocks starve.” (Ezekiel 34:2-3). Is this not directly applicable to many of today’s highfalutin pastors?
Isaiah says: “They are as greedy as dogs, never satisfied; they are stupid pastors who only look after their own interest, each trying to get as much as he can for himself from every possible source.” (Isaiah 56:11). Does this not accurately describe today’s pastors who use all kinds of tricks and shenanigans to fleece the flock of their hard-earned money?

pastors are basically meant to feed the sheep's with the "Word of life "John 21:15-17,and when necessary material and it must be done without broadcasting it to the world "Matt 6:3".
Yes even scriptures told us that there will be abundance of fake prophets as the end draws nearer but please bro let ur emotions not put you into trouble.

bloodofthelamb:
A fornicator who has accepted CHRIST as his righteousness is righteous before GOD.

Even as an unrepentant fornicator?. You must be kidding me.
I guess these shows the kind of sheeples he's being leading.
No wonder lawless celebrities and gay's rallied round him.

bloodofthelamb:
Show me a man who is extra-ordinary without CHRIST?

Christ came for the likes of Freeze and not for the self righteous people. Note: If you are not a sinner, you don't need JESUS. And who is not a sinner?

Sure came for the likes of freeze.
But has Christ ever used the likes of freeze to do any similar or related assignment as FREEZE'S in the scripture before?.
Who called him to dis fight?. That's the point and answer please.

bloodofthelamb:
Are you the one that made him[ freeze ] ordinary? Interesting!

What made pastor Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakhilomew etc, extra ordinary apart from CHRIST?

Is Christ in freeze?. YES. How?wit scriptural backup please.

OkCornel:
Check your bolded statement again before concluding I'm up to no good.

Only God knows if Pastorpreneurs are fornicators or have bloody skeleton in their cupboards.

By the way, what is wrong is wrong whether done in the open or secret. Freeze flaunting a girlfriend (and most likely sleeping with her) is wrong.

BUT that does not justify or make Pastorpreneurs who might be fornicating secretly any holier.


That's the point I'm making.

By the way...how can you pay monetary tithes to God if He never mandated the Children of Israel to pay it as money?

And who is the "Levite without inheritance" you are paying this tithe to?

No true child of God violates the rule of God publicly while he claims to fight for d same God.
Why not accept the fact that this man doesn't know Jesus ND consequently isn't working for him.
Both old and new testament doesn't validate FREEZE character and actions.
He's simply nt employed by God. why not accept dat truth and do away with pride bro.

[quote author=OnyeOGA post=63316720]lemme just drop this verse for you.
“It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13).
Now a simple question what gave birth to these scriptures above The kingdom of God has nothing to do with money a creation of man. something that would pass away and be no more.
The issue of money has been a problem since the time of Isaiah, Jeremiah. Jesus, Paul, Peter etc
[/quote
Gr8 man am so sorry, bt actually I don't get your point.

bloodofthelamb:
Are you the one that made him[ freeze ] ordinary? Interesting!

What made pastor Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakhilomew etc, extra ordinary apart from CHRIST?

What then makes him extraordinary?. How many lifes has he touched?.
Can you even tell me what made your DADDY a believer with scriptural reference?.
Because all I can see is a man whose life,arrogance, mission and agenda has no scriptural backup.

PaChukwudi44:
what has this quotation go to do with the question I asked you? Why has God not punished Freeze with leprosy for defaming God's supposedly anointed men of God

I guess u still very far away from spiritual wisdom. Apply james1:5.