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KingEbukasBlog:
Prove it .

End your life immediately since death isn't a bad thing.

OBEs like Astral projection . Atheists experience astral projection - this is objective already . You can experience Astral Projection . There are no assumptions . You can't assume what can be experienced personally .

Its a lie it isn't objective. From wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection


There is no known scientific evidence that astral projection as an objective phenomenon exists.[7][8][9]

There are cases of patients having experiences suggestive of astral projection from brain stimulation treatments and hallucinogenic drugs.[9]

Robert Todd Carroll writes that the main evidence to support claims of astral travel is anecdotal and comes "in the form of testimonials of those who claim to have experienced being out of their bodies when they may have been out of their minds."[63] Subjects in parapsychological experiments have attempted to project their astral bodies to distant rooms and see what was happening. However, such experiments have produced negative results.[64]

According to Bob Bruce of the Queensland Skeptics Association, astral projection is "just imagining", or "a dream state". Although parallel universes are mathematically possible,[65] Bruce writes that the existence of an astral plane is contrary to the limits of science. "We know how many possibilities there are for dimensions and we know what the dimensions do. None of it correlates with things like astral projection." Bruce attributes astral experiences such as "meetings" alleged by practitioners to confirmation bias and coincidences.[66]

Psychologist Donovan Rawcliffe has written that astral projection can be explained by delusion, hallucination and vivid dreams.[67]

Arthur W. Wiggins, writing in Quantum Leaps in the Wrong Direction: Where Real Science Ends...and Pseudoscience Begins, said that purported evidence of the ability to astral travel great distances and give descriptions of places visited is predominantly anecdotal. In 1978, Ingo Swann provided a test of his alleged ability to astral travel to Jupiter and observe details of the planet. Actual findings and information were later compared to Swann's claimed observations; according to an evaluation by James Randi, Swann's accuracy was "unconvincing and unimpressive" with an overall score of 37 percent. Wiggins considers astral travel an illusion, and looks to neuroanatomy, human belief, imagination and prior knowledge to provide prosaic explanations for those claiming to experience it.[11]



There you have it. It hasn't been established at all.

KingEbukasBlog:
People who are deaf ad dumb can still communicate with hand signs . He understands that cannot experience sound or speak . And when he now does that , he'd by intuition would respond by repetition . I've already explained that our brains are designed to imitate and mimic behavior because of our motor neurons . That's why babies can learn to do anything from reactions , to actions , speech through imitative learning .

You sir are a dad and how did you teach your son how to speak when he was a baby ? How do you think he understood that you want him to repeat what you say ? Its all intuition . It just comes to us because we are designed that way .

A person that has never heard or spoken in his entire life can not just hear someone tell him to speak after him and he'll be able to speak. Even kids are thought how to count repeatedly because they will need to master how the sound will be produced and uttered. Didn't you read where it says that the guy started to talk and hear what people were saying? Your church is truly a church of scam.

Pastafarian:
Kingebukasblog is hitting Dalaman in the spirit world though

Dalaman needs the holy spirit to understand what Kingebukasblog is saying, without this spirit it would be like pouring water in a basket


Dalaman the time has come to receive the holy spirit

Am ready. Holy Spirit I recieve thee!

KingEbukasBlog:
Is death a bad thing ?

Yes it is.

As far as people can experience consciousness outside their material bodies , death isn't the cessation of life .

Objecrive evidence to show that consiousness survives bodily death is what you are to provide. Don't come with assumptions cos you will be mocked.

Deicide:
"I then ask him to repeat......" abeg see fu*k up so the dude that was deaf from birth was able to understand that?

. No be small thing. The lord's chosen is truly a church of wonders.

CatfishBilly:
Dude was born deaf and dumb, how was he able to process/understand spoken language?

He himself knows it doesn't make any sense at all. He tried many times to give excuses.

KingEbukasBlog:
Haba ! What is wrong with this testimony? And it was not said that he spoke fluently either . Why you dey vex ? Brother Tabugbo is healed and enjoying his freedom and you are not happy . The heart of the wicked atheist

Everything is wrong with the scam. It was said that he could hear and speak. How can a person that have been deaf and dumb all his life hear and understand what was spoken to him? Yoi have ttwd to make so many excuses to explain away thr absurdity. The guy was used to deceive and scam people. The heart of the good Christain, always in support of scam and fraudulent activities.

KingEbukasBlog:
Again . The death of 250 million people killed by mentors is of no concern to you . But how their putative God or non existent God could have reacted is what you are concerned about ? This is not shocking at all .

Anyway , death is a transition , death disembodies you . It liberates your spirit from your material body .

A God that loves humans as you always claim will not allow his alleged enemies to kill 250 million of his children over the fact that they hate him and want to stop people from believing in him (according to the lies you've be telling always).

Death ends life that's what we know for sure. Any other thing remains an assumption or an empty claim.

From the website of the lord's chosen.

Here is what was written KingEbukasBlog.

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So the first day of the crusade the Pastor mounted the pulpit, he declared that "those that could not walk on their own should stand up and walk; those who could not hear or speak, let them speak and hear now. Immediately, my brother Tabugbo started to talk and hear what people were saying. I then asked him to say one,two, three,four in that order and he repeated after me. Infact, l thank God of chosen for making my brother to hear and speak again after 25 years,prior to this period, my brother could neither speak nor hear but today, he can hear and speak."

According to the scam of a testimony the guy could immediately hear and speak after 25 years of not being able to because he was born deaf and dumb. He could count 1 to 4 after he was prayed for. No where did it mention that he babbled like a baby. They said he started to talk and could hear what people were saying. Stop trying to lie to yourself to explain absurdity away.

KingEbukasBlog:
Anyone who is healed of dumbness should babble like a baby .

An empty assumption on your part. No where did it say he babbled like a baby. Stop making things up.

KingEbukasBlog:
... and resurrected

But couldn't help the 250 million people that were killed by the atheist abi?

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists and lies . I clearly said he babbled like a baby .

Where in the scam report did it say that the guy babbled like a baby?

KingEbukasBlog:
God himself was crucified by people who hated Him . What exactly is your point ?

That your God is powerless na. He can't do anything to help anybody. According to you he was killed.

KingEbukasBlog:
You just surmised that its a lie . If you cannot provide cogent evidence to prove that 25 year old man never had those disabilities , then you have no reason to claim that it was a scam .

I don't need to provide any evidence because the story doesn't even make any sense to you. You tried to make light of it by claiming it was poorly written and the other excuses you attempted to make initially. The story doesn't even make any sense to you as an individual.

And how you were able to evade Rasputin's healing of Czar Nicholas' son can shock the devil himself . Sir D the Chameleon

What is this nonsense. I told you to mention a celebrity that was healed after you claimed that many celebrities have recieved healing only for you to mention some elusive figure in 1900 Russia after which you discarded it saying that it wasn't God but some elusive force. When will you stop displaying madness na . Bro recieve sense

KingEbukasBlog:
Anyone can roll in the mud . Anyone can do anything in the mud . Sports men before the modern facilities came enjoyed their sports in the mud . Protesters also show their agitation by rolling in the mud . Na wa oo .

Atheists killed 250 million people in 100 years and you comparing that to people rolling in the mud ? Heartless blood thirsty psychopaths !

Where was you God when atheist were killing 250 millon people?

KingEbukasBlog:
These arguments are tenable till date . Let me roll my favourite for you . The Cosmological Argument for God's existence :

1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause

Give me an example of something that you have seen in nature that began to exist and it's cause. I want something you have observed in nature that began to exist for the first time and it's cause. Have you ever observed anything in nature began to exist?

2. The universe began to exist

An assumption that has not been established.

[3. Therefore , the universe has a cause .

Another assumption that hasn't been established.

God is the best explanation for

1. Why anything exists
2. The applicability of mathematics to the physical world
3. The origin of the universe

I'll let this slide.

4. For the existence of objective moral values and duties.

God is not the best explanation for human morality. God is not the best explanation for objective morality because morality isn't objective. It varies from.place to place and throughout human history.

5. The fine-tuning of the universe for the existence of intelligent life

Fine tune how? Most parts of the universe will immediately destroy intelligent life. The earth where life exist is mostly hostile to life talk more of intelligent life. If the universe was fine tuned for life , life will be prevalent but the universe as it stands it's totally against life because most part of it will destroy life immediately.

6. Consciousness
7. And why people see the existence of God as possible

God doesn't explain consiousness. You can use God alone and explain anything about consiousness. People see the existence of the Gods as possible because people always attributes causative agents to external forces.

KingEbukasBlog:
Not speaking fluently of course . They just babble like babies . Our motor neurons allow us to imitate or mimic people's actions or behavior . It is instinctive . And babies learn best through repetitive learning . So the healed individual repeating the words of the pastor shouldn't startle you .

It remains a lie. A person that has never heard or spoken will not know how to count suddenly . Where in the report did it say that he babbled like a baby? Forming things and telling lies is what you do always. Again you know that the report is total rubbish that is why you are just creating a different narrative to explain the absurdity away. A person that was born deaf and dumb repeating words and counting after a fraudulent pastor remains a scam.

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir , that's why its called a miracle . It defies any scientific explanation . How am I going to explain how God healed a deaf and dumb person ? Obviously corrections where made to the dysfunctional parts responsible for speaking and hearing . I can't offer any scientific explanations for that .

Atheists want God to grow an amputated limb but is struggling to accept that a deaf and dumb could start hearing and speaking . When that happens or when the news of such happening would surface , you'll still explain away God .

There is no way a person that has been deaf and dumb all his life will suddenly start speaking and counting. He will have to be taught how to understand the meaning of the sounds. He will have to be taught how to speak. You know better than this. You even attempted to say that the people were taught how to speak before coming back to this nonsense. Don't support fraud and scam pls regardless of the fact that it is coming from your church.

KingEbukasBlog:
What then are miracles ?

Ok, explain the mechanism na.

KingEbukasBlog:
Again if you say its a lie , goan prove it .

Prove what? That a 25 years old man born deaf and dumb suddenly recieved the ability to hear and could count after a pastor? Will you keep quiet?

KingEbukasBlog:
My response was based on general experience , I didn't even read the article . Young or old , the same methods are applied . I've never seen anyone who was deaf and dumb , became healed and started counting immediately . The healed individual usually repeats what the pastors tell him . The healed individual is tested first by people around him , likely those that him there . Effusive shouts of praise will attract ushers who would then take him along with those who brought the individual there to the podium for testimony . Most likely, the article wasn't well reported . Even myself isn't comfortable with the way articles are reported . They should get someone who is proficient in writing abeg .

. They reported how something went down. You aren't comfortable with it because you know it's a scam and you are blaming writers and trying to use that as an excuse. Well done. They said the guy recieved instant helingvafter he was being prayed for by the pastor and counted after the pastor. You know very well that it's a lie.

felixomor:
Of course u r the most dishonest of them all.

Mirror, mirror on the wall.

felixomor:
Hehehehe,
By now u should be familiar with that guy.
Always dodging and twisting.

Mirror, mirror on the wall.

KingEbukasBlog:
I didn't discard it and I explained why . The fact still remains that Alexei was undoubtedly healed - this you have conveniently dodged . I just dey look you sir .

Dodged what? He was healed by who? I told you to give an example of a celebrity that was healed by God and you went to bring an example of some elusive figure that lived in 1900 Russia as an example, only to conclude that he wasn't healed by God. What the hell are you saying na?

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol ! This is how it goes

Pastor tests the healed child

Pastor : Say 'one'

Healed child : Attempts pronouncing 'one' but clearly can't ( evidence of hearing though )

That's why the parents are told to continue teaching the child how to speak .

The healed child doesn't automatically start counting , I don't know where you got that from

You are shameless as usual. The person isn't a child but a 25 years old man. According to the scam testimony on your church's website the guy was born deaf and dumb but was able to count one, two, three, four after the pastor immediately after being healed by the pastor. You are here trying to shamelessly spin the story and say that it was a child and that he was taught how to speak. Where does the lies you are spewing appear in the article? You are empty and shameless. . Go and hustle for sense.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is very simple : the testifiers have their home addresses , you can go and investigate to ascertain if its all lies or the truth . You are just ranting sir .

I just asked you to explain the mechanism behind this extraordinary scam. If they can lie blatantly they can also lie about their house address. How can a person that has been deaf and dumb from birth understand English and be able to count ? You have started with your madness. I know you don't believe the ridiculous story but you just want to argue to save face.

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir , that healing of Czar Nicholas' son is a well known story in the history of Russia . It is indisputable . I thought of a good well documented account of healing experienced by a famous person and I felt this was credible enough . I didn't discard the healing , I said it may not have been from God . But it does not change the fact that he was healed through mystical means .

Who is he? 1900? Famous where? We are talking about God centered healing which you have already discarded.

KingEbukasBlog:
There are famous people who have received miraculous healing . An example is Grigori Rasputin , the famous Siberian mystic and self acclaimed 'holy one' who existed around the early 1900s , healed Czar Nicholas son who was a hemophile . This is a well documented case of miraculous healing and Rasputin was a very powerful man in Russia . I won't say its God because Rasputin was involved in some questionable practices (occultism and mysticism ) before his meteoric rise to power .

I said you should name one celebrated person that we all know who has recieved instant healing from deformity through prayers and you are bringing names from 1900 after which you yourself discarded it at the end . Try and get sense my brother.

malvisguy212:
don't shift the argument, do all atheists believe in spiritualism ? some believe in the big bang while other don't, some believe in evolution but others don't. is this not the same issue we have in almost all religion ?

Athiest don't have no elusive holy spirit to guide them and interprete things for them. Christians claim they do.

malvisguy212:
what you say is doctrinal issue, all religion had this same issue, hey!!! atheism is not left out, there are some atheist who still believe in spiritualism, what you gonna say about that ?

study to show therself approved unto God, when you study the bible with a teachable spirit, God will revealed the truth to you.

They are not doctrinal issues. I just have you a passage about how the world was created. Many christians disagree overy what was written. Just tell me the context of the creation account. Is it an allegory? Was the earth created in 7 literal days as the young earth creationist say or was it created in a very long period as the old earth creationist claim? Which is the true context?

xtivin:
Your Best Juju is Christ..Until you have him, no power can save you. He is the head of all principalities and powers. All you need is to accept him he will secure you

The same Christ that could not secure his children from the church building collapse in various parts of the country abi?

Tell me any place where juju alone is used to provide security that you know of.