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I prefer The Amplified Version because of its clearity and explanations.

Am so proud of Pst. Paul Eneche for donating such an amount. Yet he doesn't own a Private jet.

Ministerinmakin I am really impressed with your analysis at least we both agree on some points.

As a believer of the gospel of JESUS I am not against Church developmental donations, I totally support that every Christian should give towards the development of His or Her own Church and such giving can be titled as ''Church developmental fees'' and not tithe.

I am only against mind enslaving doctrines being preached by most ''self acclaimed men of GOD'' that a Christian is obligated to paying tithe when the scriptures already made it clear that we are free from the old testament laws.

Now, the Old testament laws goes far beyond the 10 commandments there are critical laws in the bible that we see some of these Islamic nations or group perform on TV nowadays and we say they are barbaric e.g Stoning of adulterers to death, the law of circumcision, blood sacrifices, discriminating laws against women and many more.

How can you tell me that all these other laws are no more in effect but tithing still is?

Mind you, I am very much aware that most of these laws still works. The white garment churches still sacrifice bulls and rams and follow some other old testament laws and it surly gives them a positive result but does that make it right?

So many Christians today now believe that they will not make haven if they don't pay tithes so they pay out of the fear of missing heaven.

1. My Conclusion is that Christians should donate towards the development of their churches out of their own free will.
2. GOD did not demand for tithes from Christians as HE did with the Jews.
3. The Name of JESUS is all the weapon you need to keep you and your finances safe not your tithes.
4. If we must follow the laws of tithes then we should as well keep to other old testament laws.

(If a Christian decides to pay tithe he or she can do so on a personal ground possibly when a person promises GOD he would give a tenth of his earnings but he should be aware that he's not under compulsion to do so just like the tithe Abraham gave)

Ministerinmakin:
Hey Dandolar

I guess tithing has taken a new level these days in churches. your comments in brackets.

[I get pissed when I see Pastors promising increased blessings when tithes are paid and given special treatments to those who pay tithes in Churches thereby taking advantage of the simple minded Christians.]

From my understanding of tithing, it protects our earnings from devourers, this still applies and I guess people will interpret the scriptures to suit their benefit, I guess because this is a regular type of giving, which the church and pastors depend and benefit from, there is more emphasis on it than the other types of giving.


There are other types of giving that helps to move people from one level financially to another, but where a pastor is counting peoples money in their pockets through their tithe and showing preferential treatment is wrong regardless of how much tithes they pay......I moved churches because of that.

[Some Christians even brag about paying tithe as if it is a criteria for making heaven.
Some get mad at GOD when they are going through trials and tribulations you would hear them say ''But I pay my tithes why do I still have to experience these difficulties''. People say things like this because of what they have been taught by their pastors that regular payment of tithes would shield them from devils attack.]

Again misunderstanding the principles of tithing and how this is preached in churches, in Luke 11 v 42, where they diligently paid their tithes. but don't live right, they ain't going no where near heaven and breakthrough will be scarce, as that is why Jesus Christ came in the first place to change them from the law of Moses through grace, hence the reprimand.
Having said that though as Christians we need to grow from drinking milk for years to eating solids 1 Peter 2 v 2 and stop being docile to believe everything that comes out of the mouth of a so-called man of God, we too can read the Bible or get a second opinion - I am a firm believer of church shopping.

As per their difficulties, trials, tribulation or issues, tithing doesn't cover those areas - there are law that need to be followed to tackle every area, (when Joshua needed to bring down the walls of Jericho, he didn't pay tithes) so they should wise up and ask a more knowledgeable pastor/ church to help deal with their issues. God said my people perish from lack of knowledge, he wasn't joking - so I feel your pisstivity too.

[But according to your very own analysis you said Paul asked us in the New testament to give willingly which does not necessarily have to be a tenth it could be far more or less.

But In the old testament GOD was specific in asking the Israelites to pay a tenth of their earnings to the Levities and the Priests.

Even if we Christians were subject to the laws of tithes don't you think it would be reasonable for us to send our tithes to the exact people GOD appointed to collect this tithes?

We should trace the Levi tribe and the descendants of Aron in Isreal and hand these tithes to them because according to the Old Testament laws these were the people GOD appointed to collect tithes.
So my point is that

1. Freewill offering and Tithes are not the same.
2. A Christian is not subject to the law of tithes.
3. Paying tithes will not make GOD bless you more than HE has already done.
4. It wasn't because of the tithes we paid that made Jesus died for us
5. If Paying tithes works like most people claim,it still doesn't mean paying it is right according to the Law.]

There are people who go to church giving more or less, God sees the heart and knows that if you are not able to give the tenth, you gave willingly from the heart and of course he will still bless you. Will he bless you based on the percentage you gave him? - he is God, he can do whatever he likes, but at least he will prevent the devourer from getting your money, plus he is a merciful God, so am assuming that he will bless you all the way. Same as if you gave more than a tenth, will he only bless you to the point of the tenth, I don't think so.

Ok Dandolar, like you hypothetically mentioned, we Christians need to send our tithes to Israel. The Israelites do have a record of that as they still follow the book of Moses and their families are still connected to the 12 tribes one way or the other, but try asking your pastor to send your tithes to Israel and see what his/ her reaction will be - like they are the ones that provided the chairs that you sit on in the church right?
At the end of the day though, some churches do send donations/ tithes to Israel as part of their support for the nation of Israel, what the Israelis do with it is another story.

So in conclusion, I agree with 3 out of your 5 points, (2) I personally feel as a christian i have to pay tithes to support the physical building so it can be warm and hospitable for me to go and worship through paying tithes. (5) Through personal experience I have experienced it work and thank God that despite under grace I still have to adhere to the 10 commandments and a few other principles, otherwise we would all be killing, stealing and doing wrong to our neighbors.

My two cent, with a dollar thrown in - stay blessed

No Christian is subject to the laws of tithes. A Christian contributes to the Church out of his own free will.

quote author=goodnews201668 post=44891396]So you are in effect saying we should pay tithe or not?[/quote]

Thanks for your response. Minister-inmakin

But you should know that willingly giving out a tenth of your earnings is not the same as the tithes the Israelites paid.
GOD HIM self demanded that the Israelites should pay tithes. it was a law, a commandment from GOD.

But according to your very own analysis you said Paul asked us in the New testament to give willingly which does not necessarily have to be a tenth it could be far more or less.

But In the old testament GOD was specific in asking the Israelites to pay a tenth of their earnings to the Levities and the Priests.

Even if we Christians were subject to the laws of tithes don't you think it would be reasonable for us to send our tithes to the exact people GOD appointed to collect this tithes?

We should trace the Levi tribe and the descendants of Aron in Isreal and hand these tithes to them because according to the Old Testament laws these were the people GOD appointed to collect tithes.

e.g
As a Lagosian who works and leaves in Lagos you are meant to pay your taxes to the Lagos State Inland Revenue Service (LIRS) which is the sole body responsible and recognized by law for collecting State taxes in Lagos.

If you pay your taxes to any other body other than the LIRS then it means according to law you've not paid your tax.

So my point is that

1. Freewill offering and Tithes are not the same.
2. A Christian is not subject to the law of tithes.
3. Paying tithes will not make GOD bless you more than HE has already done.
4. It wasn't because of the tithes we paid that made JESUS died for us
5. If Paying tithes works like most people claim,it still doesn't mean paying it is right according to the Law.

I get pissed when I see Pastors promising increased blessings when tithes are paid and given special treatments to those who pay tithes in Churches thereby taking advantage of the simple minded Christians.

Some Churches even have tithe records and would not wed those without tithe record e.g Christ Embassy.

Some Christians even brag about paying tithe as if it is a criteria for making heaven.

Some get mad at GOD when they are going through trials and tribulations you would hear them say ''But I pay my tithes why do I still have to experience these difficulties''. People say things like this because of what they have been taught by their pastors that regular payment of tithes would shield them from devils attack.






The new Testament reaffirms the giving of Tithes. Luke 11 v 42 Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practised the latter without leaving the former undone.
Also look at 2 Corinthians 9 v 7: Luke 18 v 12: Matthew 23 v 23: then we have Hebrew 7 v 1-19, this tells us if Abraham was taught to tithe, then as his generations we too should follow and learn to tithe so we can come under the blessings (not necessarily tied to finances).
Somethings in the old Testament are no longer followed, although the Jews still practice quite a few, but thank God for Jesus as God looks at the heart and not the works.
Apostle Paul wrote Corinthians and if he can state that we should give willingly as one of the founding fathers of the church, I believe he was also referring to the 10 percent or tenth.
I think the point is, if you are going to give your tenth regardless, then give without thinking about who and what is being done to it as it has already left your pocket, so the responsibility on how it is used is on the church or person you gave it to as they also have an agreement with God. For those that go to churches and complain about the church or pastor misappropriating their tithes, then find another church where you feel your tithe will be used well or don't give as Apostle also said, not under compulsion.
Now the Levi tribe are people that are spiritually astute, who God has blessed with the spirit to lead service etc, not saying others don't have it, but they were chosen like you stated and quite a lot still exist till today, the question is how do you know a true man of God from a fake one They have to first reflect the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Sorry this is long, but felt I had to try and touch on most point raised.[/quote]

The way and manner some self acclaimed Christian Brothers and Sister interprets the Bible is quit annoying. This are some of the reasons some people don't like going to Church because of this judgemental attitude of most Christians.

Where is it written in the bible that the intake of Alcohol is sin? The same bible that condemns drunkenness also condemns gluttony yet as a Christian you taste food which can possibly lead to gluttony just the same way drinking alcohol can lead to drunkenness. And you say drinking is sin and eaten is holy.

Well for me I drink bear when I feel like drinking, It helps me get a good night sleep when I have difficulty sleeping, Instead of taking Aspin I'll rather pop a bottle of bear.

Only GOD knows those who truly serve HIM. GOD also rejects and accepts worship. So no body should think in his or her mind that their worship is more acceptable to GOD than that of the next man.

Talking about Tithes. I am still yet to see in the new Testament where Christians were asked to pay Tithes.

The real essence of Tithes according to the Old Testament was to cater for the Levi tribe and Aron's descendant who got no share from the promised land. GOD specifically choose the Levi tribe to work in HIS temple alongside Aron and his Sons and only these two sets of people where given permission by GOD to collect Tithes on HIS behalf and eat out of the Tithes and give as well to the needy.

But these days I see people preaching Tithes like it is the only law in the bible. When it comes to making blood sacrifices and stoning sinners to death people say it is old testament that it is no longer in effect yet they want to collect Tithes which is an Old Testament law.

I challenge any body here to tell me where in the bible a Christian was asked to pay Tithes. Putting in mind that Christianity is different from Judaism even though the same Judaism gave birth to both Islam and Christianity.