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Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 11:03am On Apr 17, 2016
Hebrews 7:9, Says

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)

This got me thinking if pastors or general overseers should pay tithe?
They always encourage their adherents to pay their tithes promptly, Sometimes it will be topic for a Sunday worship.
Should they pay as well?
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Flexherbal(m): 11:09am On Apr 17, 2016
Tithe is to be used in God's house.
To provide for the needy, strangers, orphans, widows and even workers in God's vineyard.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 11:18am On Apr 17, 2016
Flexherbal:
Tithe is to be used in God's house.
To provide for the needy, strangers, orphans, widows and even workers in God's vineyard.
So what can you say about Hebrews 7:9?
That's the essence of the post.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by TPAND(f): 11:30am On Apr 17, 2016
Tithes are not paid to man. But to the Church.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by chiefolododo(m): 11:46am On Apr 17, 2016
All general overseas should pay tithe to me IF
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 11:58am On Apr 17, 2016
TPAND:
Tithes are not paid to man. But to the Church.

Then should general overseers, founders and pastors pay tithe?
Hebrews 7:9
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dorox(m): 12:08pm On Apr 17, 2016
goodnews201668:


Then should general overseers, founders and pastors pay tithe?
Hebrews 7:9

They do pay tithe to the church, it just so happens that they are the church.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 12:16pm On Apr 17, 2016
dorox:


They do pay tithe to the church, it just so happens that they are the church.

grin grin grin
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Joagbaje(m): 6:13pm On Apr 17, 2016
goodnews201668:
Hebrews 7:9, Says

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)

This got me thinking if pastors or general overseers should pay tithe?
They always encourage their adherents to pay their tithes promptly, Sometimes it will be topic for a Sunday worship.
Should they pay as well?

Everyone pays . Including pastors ,deacons and general overseer. It's always funny why people dwell on tithes . What about offerings.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 7:07pm On Apr 17, 2016
Joagbaje:


Everyone pays . Including pastors ,deacons and general overseer. It's always funny why people dwell on tithes . What about offerings.

Okay ooo, just that I never heard it before.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Nobody: 10:05pm On Apr 17, 2016
goodnews201668:
Hebrews 7:9, Says

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)

This got me thinking if pastors or general overseers should pay tithe?
They always encourage their adherents to pay their tithes promptly, Sometimes it will be topic for a Sunday worship.
Should they pay as well?

Dr. David O. Oyedepo of winners boast of himself being an ardent tithe payer. He also boast of his companies paying tithes. He also boast of the church (winners) paying tithe.

You pay tithe to the church you draw your spiritual food/strength from. Dr. David O. Oyedepo has a lot of spiritual Fathers not father. So paying tithes to the churches they pastor is not out of place.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 12:10am On Apr 18, 2016
soulpeppersoup:


Dr. David O. Oyedepo of winners boast of himself being an ardent tithe payer. He also boast of his companies paying tithes. He also boast of the church (winners) paying tithe.

You pay tithe to the church you draw your spiritual food/strength from. Dr. David O. Oyedepo has a lot of spiritual Fathers not father. So paying tithes to the churches they pastor is not out of place.

Okay ooo
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dandolar: 1:07am On Apr 18, 2016
Talking about Tithes. I am still yet to see in the new Testament where Christians were asked to pay Tithes.

The real essence of Tithes according to the Old Testament was to cater for the Levi tribe and Aron's descendant who got no share from the promised land. GOD specifically choose the Levi tribe to work in HIS temple alongside Aron and his Sons and only these two sets of people where given permission by GOD to collect Tithes on HIS behalf and eat out of the Tithes and give as well to the needy.

But these days I see people preaching Tithes like it is the only law in the bible. When it comes to making blood sacrifices and stoning sinners to death people say it is old testament that it is no longer in effect yet they want to collect Tithes which is an Old Testament law.

I challenge any body here to tell me where in the bible a Christian was asked to pay Tithes. Putting in mind that Christianity is different from Judaism even though the same Judaism gave birth to both Islam and Christianity.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by woleabayo(f): 2:08pm On Apr 18, 2016
Talking about paying of tithe the pastorate should also pay tithe example : all pastors always have senior counterpart so when you receive you forward yours to the senior pastor from another church or branch till it get to the top, and those at the top will now use it to provide for the needy , widow, orphan and so on.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Weah96: 2:19pm On Apr 18, 2016
woleabayo:
Talking about paying of tithe the pastorate should also pay tithe example : all pastors always have senior counterpart so when you receive you forward yours to the senior pastor from another church or branch till it get to the top, and those at the top will now use it to provide for the needy , widow, orphan and so on.


Becuz u no get hands to distribute yourself, abi?

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Ministerinmakin: 4:56pm On Apr 18, 2016
dandolar:
Talking about Tithes. I am still yet to see in the new Testament where Christians were asked to pay Tithes.
The real essence of Tithes according to the Old Testament was to cater for the Levi tribe and Aron's descendant who got no share from the promised land. GOD specifically choose the Levi tribe to work in HIS temple alongside Aron and his Sons and only these two sets of people where given permission by GOD to collect Tithes on HIS behalf and eat out of the Tithes and give as well to the needy.
But these days I see people preaching Tithes like it is the only law in the bible. When it comes to making blood sacrifices and stoning sinners to death people say it is old testament that it is no longer in effect yet they want to collect Tithes which is an Old Testament law.
I challenge any body here to tell me where in the bible a Christian was asked to pay Tithes. Putting in mind that Christianity is different from Judaism even though the same Judaism gave birth to both Islam and Christianity.


The new Testament reaffirms the giving of Tithes. Luke 11 v 42 Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practised the latter without leaving the former undone.
Also look at 2 Corinthians 9 v 7: Luke 18 v 12: Matthew 23 v 23: then we have Hebrew 7 v 1-19, this tells us if Abraham was taught to tithe, then as his generations we too should follow and learn to tithe so we can come under the blessings (not necessarily tied to finances).
Somethings in the old Testament are no longer followed, although the Jews still practice quite a few, but thank God for Jesus as God looks at the heart and not the works.
Apostle Paul wrote Corinthians and if he can state that we should give willingly as one of the founding fathers of the church, I believe he was also referring to the 10 percent or tenth.
I think the point is, if you are going to give your tenth regardless, then give without thinking about who and what is being done to it as it has already left your pocket, so the responsibility on how it is used is on the church or person you gave it to as they also have an agreement with God. For those that go to churches and complain about the church or pastor misappropriating their tithes, then find another church where you feel your tithe will be used well or don't give as Apostle also said, not under compulsion.
Now the Levi tribe are people that are spiritually astute, who God has blessed with the spirit to lead service etc, not saying others don't have it, but they were chosen like you stated and quite a lot still exist till today, the question is how do you know a true man of God from a fake one They have to first reflect the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Sorry this is long, but felt I had to try and touch on most point raised.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by orisa37: 5:47pm On Apr 18, 2016
Yes. They pay to their Church Coffers and eat from it.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 2:16am On Apr 19, 2016
The commandment to tithe, or contribute a tenth of one’s belongings, was part of the Law given to the ancient nation of Israel. However, the Bible makes it clear that this Law—including the “commandment to collect tithes”—does not apply to Christians.—Hebrews 7:5, 18; Colossians 2:13, 14.

(Jesus christ death abolished the law it's no longer binding on Christians)

Rather than giving required tithes and offerings, we should imitate the early Christians who made willing donations.
The early Christians supported their ministry in two ways: by performing their personal ministerial work without pay and by making voluntary donations.

So nobody is under obligation to pay a particular amount rather we follow the Bible’s direction to Christians: “Let each one do just as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”—2 Corinthians 9:7.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dandolar: 11:30pm On Apr 20, 2016
Thanks for your response. Minister-inmakin

But you should know that willingly giving out a tenth of your earnings is not the same as the tithes the Israelites paid.
GOD HIM self demanded that the Israelites should pay tithes. it was a law, a commandment from GOD.

But according to your very own analysis you said Paul asked us in the New testament to give willingly which does not necessarily have to be a tenth it could be far more or less.

But In the old testament GOD was specific in asking the Israelites to pay a tenth of their earnings to the Levities and the Priests.

Even if we Christians were subject to the laws of tithes don't you think it would be reasonable for us to send our tithes to the exact people GOD appointed to collect this tithes?

We should trace the Levi tribe and the descendants of Aron in Isreal and hand these tithes to them because according to the Old Testament laws these were the people GOD appointed to collect tithes.

e.g
As a Lagosian who works and leaves in Lagos you are meant to pay your taxes to the Lagos State Inland Revenue Service (LIRS) which is the sole body responsible and recognized by law for collecting State taxes in Lagos.

If you pay your taxes to any other body other than the LIRS then it means according to law you've not paid your tax.

So my point is that

1. Freewill offering and Tithes are not the same.
2. A Christian is not subject to the law of tithes.
3. Paying tithes will not make GOD bless you more than HE has already done.
4. It wasn't because of the tithes we paid that made JESUS died for us
5. If Paying tithes works like most people claim,it still doesn't mean paying it is right according to the Law.

I get pissed when I see Pastors promising increased blessings when tithes are paid and given special treatments to those who pay tithes in Churches thereby taking advantage of the simple minded Christians.

Some Churches even have tithe records and would not wed those without tithe record e.g Christ Embassy.

Some Christians even brag about paying tithe as if it is a criteria for making heaven.

Some get mad at GOD when they are going through trials and tribulations you would hear them say ''But I pay my tithes why do I still have to experience these difficulties''. People say things like this because of what they have been taught by their pastors that regular payment of tithes would shield them from devils attack.






The new Testament reaffirms the giving of Tithes. Luke 11 v 42 Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practised the latter without leaving the former undone.
Also look at 2 Corinthians 9 v 7: Luke 18 v 12: Matthew 23 v 23: then we have Hebrew 7 v 1-19, this tells us if Abraham was taught to tithe, then as his generations we too should follow and learn to tithe so we can come under the blessings (not necessarily tied to finances).
Somethings in the old Testament are no longer followed, although the Jews still practice quite a few, but thank God for Jesus as God looks at the heart and not the works.
Apostle Paul wrote Corinthians and if he can state that we should give willingly as one of the founding fathers of the church, I believe he was also referring to the 10 percent or tenth.
I think the point is, if you are going to give your tenth regardless, then give without thinking about who and what is being done to it as it has already left your pocket, so the responsibility on how it is used is on the church or person you gave it to as they also have an agreement with God. For those that go to churches and complain about the church or pastor misappropriating their tithes, then find another church where you feel your tithe will be used well or don't give as Apostle also said, not under compulsion.
Now the Levi tribe are people that are spiritually astute, who God has blessed with the spirit to lead service etc, not saying others don't have it, but they were chosen like you stated and quite a lot still exist till today, the question is how do you know a true man of God from a fake one They have to first reflect the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Sorry this is long, but felt I had to try and touch on most point raised. [/quote]

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 11:51pm On Apr 20, 2016
So you are in effect saying we should pay tithe or not?
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dandolar: 9:31am On Apr 22, 2016
No Christian is subject to the laws of tithes. A Christian contributes to the Church out of his own free will.

quote author=goodnews201668 post=44891396]So you are in effect saying we should pay tithe or not?[/quote]

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Nobody: 2:00pm On Apr 22, 2016
goodnews201668:
Hebrews 7:9, Says

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)

This got me thinking if pastors or general overseers should pay tithe?
They always encourage their adherents to pay their tithes promptly, Sometimes it will be topic for a Sunday worship.
Should they pay as well?

none shud pay. heb 7:12

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by goodnews201668: 2:29pm On Apr 22, 2016
JMAN05:


none shud pay. heb 7:12

Are you a carpenter my brother?



You just nailed it!!!

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Goshen360(m): 4:12pm On Apr 22, 2016
Joagbaje:


Everyone pays . Including pastors ,deacons and general overseer. It's always funny why people dwell on tithes . What about offerings.

Which offering sir? To the new covenant church? There's nothing of such. ..You know better but you're making it look like offering is money. ...no! Offering from old testament was something being offered as substitute for something.

When it says tithes AND offerings in malachi, he was saying money AND money, it means tithes and offerings such as sin offering .... etc as sacrifical fot substitute.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Goshen360(m): 4:15pm On Apr 22, 2016
goodnews201668:
Hebrews 7:9, Says

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.”
King James Version (KJV)

This got me thinking if pastors or general overseers should pay tithe?
They always encourage their adherents to pay their tithes promptly, Sometimes it will be topic for a Sunday worship.
Should they pay as well?

That's not what that scripture is addressing. If so, Levi will mean workers and help in the church today that should receive the tithe and pastors will equal to Aaron but the whole new covenant is not based on that like the old covenant system.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Joagbaje(m): 4:57pm On Apr 22, 2016
Goshen360:


Which offering sir? To the new covenant church? There's nothing of such. ..You know better but you're making it look like offering is money. ...no! Offering from old testament was something being offered as substitute for something.

When it says tithes AND offerings in malachi, he was saying money AND money, it means tithes and offerings such as sin offering .... etc as sacrifical fot substitute.

Oga sir , go back o.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dolphinheart(m): 6:15pm On Apr 22, 2016
I kinda like the way of tithing as prescribed by Moses.
deut 14: 24-27 “Now when the LORD your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the LORD your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

does your church when it says bring your tithe allows you to use the money to buy correct kain kain and assorted meat!?, if not , u better ask the pastor why he dey collect tithe in the first place if he will not follow the rules guiding it.

moreover Levites dnt have landed property, companies or holdings, the pastors today have offshore accounts!

I can bet their world not have been much brouhaha over tithing in nigeria, if not for one salient fact, the larger the church, the larger the pastors earthly collections, even if he claims the earthly collection is for the church.

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Ministerinmakin: 12:24am On Apr 23, 2016
Hey Dandolar

I guess tithing has taken a new level these days in churches. your comments in brackets.

[I get pissed when I see Pastors promising increased blessings when tithes are paid and given special treatments to those who pay tithes in Churches thereby taking advantage of the simple minded Christians.]

From my understanding of tithing, it protects our earnings from devourers, this still applies and I guess people will interpret the scriptures to suit their benefit, I guess because this is a regular type of giving, which the church and pastors depend and benefit from, there is more emphasis on it than the other types of giving.


There are other types of giving that helps to move people from one level financially to another, but where a pastor is counting peoples money in their pockets through their tithe and showing preferential treatment is wrong regardless of how much tithes they pay......I moved churches because of that.

[Some Christians even brag about paying tithe as if it is a criteria for making heaven.
Some get mad at GOD when they are going through trials and tribulations you would hear them say ''But I pay my tithes why do I still have to experience these difficulties''. People say things like this because of what they have been taught by their pastors that regular payment of tithes would shield them from devils attack.]

Again misunderstanding the principles of tithing and how this is preached in churches, in Luke 11 v 42, where they diligently paid their tithes. but don't live right, they ain't going no where near heaven and breakthrough will be scarce, as that is why Jesus Christ came in the first place to change them from the law of Moses through grace, hence the reprimand.
Having said that though as Christians we need to grow from drinking milk for years to eating solids 1 Peter 2 v 2 and stop being docile to believe everything that comes out of the mouth of a so-called man of God, we too can read the Bible or get a second opinion - I am a firm believer of church shopping.

As per their difficulties, trials, tribulation or issues, tithing doesn't cover those areas - there are law that need to be followed to tackle every area, (when Joshua needed to bring down the walls of Jericho, he didn't pay tithes) so they should wise up and ask a more knowledgeable pastor/ church to help deal with their issues. God said my people perish from lack of knowledge, he wasn't joking - so I feel your pisstivity too.

[But according to your very own analysis you said Paul asked us in the New testament to give willingly which does not necessarily have to be a tenth it could be far more or less.

But In the old testament GOD was specific in asking the Israelites to pay a tenth of their earnings to the Levities and the Priests.

Even if we Christians were subject to the laws of tithes don't you think it would be reasonable for us to send our tithes to the exact people GOD appointed to collect this tithes?

We should trace the Levi tribe and the descendants of Aron in Isreal and hand these tithes to them because according to the Old Testament laws these were the people GOD appointed to collect tithes.
So my point is that

1. Freewill offering and Tithes are not the same.
2. A Christian is not subject to the law of tithes.
3. Paying tithes will not make GOD bless you more than HE has already done.
4. It wasn't because of the tithes we paid that made Jesus died for us
5. If Paying tithes works like most people claim,it still doesn't mean paying it is right according to the Law.]

There are people who go to church giving more or less, God sees the heart and knows that if you are not able to give the tenth, you gave willingly from the heart and of course he will still bless you. Will he bless you based on the percentage you gave him? - he is God, he can do whatever he likes, but at least he will prevent the devourer from getting your money, plus he is a merciful God, so am assuming that he will bless you all the way. Same as if you gave more than a tenth, will he only bless you to the point of the tenth, I don't think so.

Ok Dandolar, like you hypothetically mentioned, we Christians need to send our tithes to Israel. The Israelites do have a record of that as they still follow the book of Moses and their families are still connected to the 12 tribes one way or the other, but try asking your pastor to send your tithes to Israel and see what his/ her reaction will be - like they are the ones that provided the chairs that you sit on in the church right?
At the end of the day though, some churches do send donations/ tithes to Israel as part of their support for the nation of Israel, what the Israelis do with it is another story.

So in conclusion, I agree with 3 out of your 5 points, (2) I personally feel as a christian i have to pay tithes to support the physical building so it can be warm and hospitable for me to go and worship through paying tithes. (5) Through personal experience I have experienced it work and thank God that despite under grace I still have to adhere to the 10 commandments and a few other principles, otherwise we would all be killing, stealing and doing wrong to our neighbors.

My two cent, with a dollar thrown in - stay blessed

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Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by dandolar: 11:38am On Apr 23, 2016
Ministerinmakin I am really impressed with your analysis at least we both agree on some points.

As a believer of the gospel of JESUS I am not against Church developmental donations, I totally support that every Christian should give towards the development of His or Her own Church and such giving can be titled as ''Church developmental fees'' and not tithe.

I am only against mind enslaving doctrines being preached by most ''self acclaimed men of GOD'' that a Christian is obligated to paying tithe when the scriptures already made it clear that we are free from the old testament laws.

Now, the Old testament laws goes far beyond the 10 commandments there are critical laws in the bible that we see some of these Islamic nations or group perform on TV nowadays and we say they are barbaric e.g Stoning of adulterers to death, the law of circumcision, blood sacrifices, discriminating laws against women and many more.

How can you tell me that all these other laws are no more in effect but tithing still is?

Mind you, I am very much aware that most of these laws still works. The white garment churches still sacrifice bulls and rams and follow some other old testament laws and it surly gives them a positive result but does that make it right?

So many Christians today now believe that they will not make haven if they don't pay tithes so they pay out of the fear of missing heaven.

1. My Conclusion is that Christians should donate towards the development of their churches out of their own free will.
2. GOD did not demand for tithes from Christians as HE did with the Jews.
3. The Name of JESUS is all the weapon you need to keep you and your finances safe not your tithes.
4. If we must follow the laws of tithes then we should as well keep to other old testament laws.

(If a Christian decides to pay tithe he or she can do so on a personal ground possibly when a person promises GOD he would give a tenth of his earnings but he should be aware that he's not under compulsion to do so just like the tithe Abraham gave)






Ministerinmakin:
Hey Dandolar

I guess tithing has taken a new level these days in churches. your comments in brackets.

[I get pissed when I see Pastors promising increased blessings when tithes are paid and given special treatments to those who pay tithes in Churches thereby taking advantage of the simple minded Christians.]

From my understanding of tithing, it protects our earnings from devourers, this still applies and I guess people will interpret the scriptures to suit their benefit, I guess because this is a regular type of giving, which the church and pastors depend and benefit from, there is more emphasis on it than the other types of giving.


There are other types of giving that helps to move people from one level financially to another, but where a pastor is counting peoples money in their pockets through their tithe and showing preferential treatment is wrong regardless of how much tithes they pay......I moved churches because of that.

[Some Christians even brag about paying tithe as if it is a criteria for making heaven.
Some get mad at GOD when they are going through trials and tribulations you would hear them say ''But I pay my tithes why do I still have to experience these difficulties''. People say things like this because of what they have been taught by their pastors that regular payment of tithes would shield them from devils attack.]

Again misunderstanding the principles of tithing and how this is preached in churches, in Luke 11 v 42, where they diligently paid their tithes. but don't live right, they ain't going no where near heaven and breakthrough will be scarce, as that is why Jesus Christ came in the first place to change them from the law of Moses through grace, hence the reprimand.
Having said that though as Christians we need to grow from drinking milk for years to eating solids 1 Peter 2 v 2 and stop being docile to believe everything that comes out of the mouth of a so-called man of God, we too can read the Bible or get a second opinion - I am a firm believer of church shopping.

As per their difficulties, trials, tribulation or issues, tithing doesn't cover those areas - there are law that need to be followed to tackle every area, (when Joshua needed to bring down the walls of Jericho, he didn't pay tithes) so they should wise up and ask a more knowledgeable pastor/ church to help deal with their issues. God said my people perish from lack of knowledge, he wasn't joking - so I feel your pisstivity too.

[But according to your very own analysis you said Paul asked us in the New testament to give willingly which does not necessarily have to be a tenth it could be far more or less.

But In the old testament GOD was specific in asking the Israelites to pay a tenth of their earnings to the Levities and the Priests.

Even if we Christians were subject to the laws of tithes don't you think it would be reasonable for us to send our tithes to the exact people GOD appointed to collect this tithes?

We should trace the Levi tribe and the descendants of Aron in Isreal and hand these tithes to them because according to the Old Testament laws these were the people GOD appointed to collect tithes.
So my point is that

1. Freewill offering and Tithes are not the same.
2. A Christian is not subject to the law of tithes.
3. Paying tithes will not make GOD bless you more than HE has already done.
4. It wasn't because of the tithes we paid that made Jesus died for us
5. If Paying tithes works like most people claim,it still doesn't mean paying it is right according to the Law.]

There are people who go to church giving more or less, God sees the heart and knows that if you are not able to give the tenth, you gave willingly from the heart and of course he will still bless you. Will he bless you based on the percentage you gave him? - he is God, he can do whatever he likes, but at least he will prevent the devourer from getting your money, plus he is a merciful God, so am assuming that he will bless you all the way. Same as if you gave more than a tenth, will he only bless you to the point of the tenth, I don't think so.

Ok Dandolar, like you hypothetically mentioned, we Christians need to send our tithes to Israel. The Israelites do have a record of that as they still follow the book of Moses and their families are still connected to the 12 tribes one way or the other, but try asking your pastor to send your tithes to Israel and see what his/ her reaction will be - like they are the ones that provided the chairs that you sit on in the church right?
At the end of the day though, some churches do send donations/ tithes to Israel as part of their support for the nation of Israel, what the Israelis do with it is another story.

So in conclusion, I agree with 3 out of your 5 points, (2) I personally feel as a christian i have to pay tithes to support the physical building so it can be warm and hospitable for me to go and worship through paying tithes. (5) Through personal experience I have experienced it work and thank God that despite under grace I still have to adhere to the 10 commandments and a few other principles, otherwise we would all be killing, stealing and doing wrong to our neighbors.

My two cent, with a dollar thrown in - stay blessed
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Ministerinmakin: 5:15pm On Apr 23, 2016
Hey Dandolar,

Thanks, will tell my mum her initial education investment did not go to waste cheesy

On your development donation in churches, how long will the churches keep announcing for the donation to maintain the churches without seeming like beggars. There are some communities or societies that would not give even when tithes are asked let alone contribute to a development fund. Some Orthodox and Catholic churches (depending on the country) don't compel people to donate, but still expect tithes.

If we are to look at the New Testament without linking it to the old Testament, then we are not fully appreciating the Bible in its entirety as each testament compliments the other - the old testament points to the new, while the new references the old to make sense i.e. The old talked about the coming of Christ and when you look at the new it points to the preparations and what the old said about his coming and what he came to do. So to say we should only follow the new and ignore the laws of the old is like building a house without a foundation, I think.

Because of Christ we don't have to follow all the laws as we would probably run out of bulls, lambs and doves for every act, hence the circumcision of the heart. Do not kill, steal, fornicate (10 commandment) still exist from the old testament and are still followed to date.

Islam and the Jews still follow the old testament to the point of when the kill the ram during the festival they pray on it and put their sins on the ram as an atonement, rather than set it free, they cook it and share it out nowadays. So barbaric as it may seem, it is their religion.

I can say the 10 commandment and some other laws are still in effect, but not all and tithing is one of them. Going back to Luke 11 v 42 when Jesus stated that they Pharisees give God a tenth of their mint....., why didn't he say they shouldn't bother with the tenth as it was no longer needed seeing that they can't act right anyway? I believe if the tithe and tenth was not necessary in the eyes of God, he would have abolished it there or somewhere else, I mean Apostle Paul could have said, not just under compulsion, but don't bother giving at all. Isn't that worth pondering on?

I believe the coming of Christ changed the law to the point where sacrifices were no longer needed as he was the last sacrifice, so slaughtering of bulls or rams for one thing or the other takes it to the level of idol or devil worshiping from a christian point of view.

The thing is, we are all trying desperately to make heaven, but we fail to focus on the ONE person that was sent to get us there, rather we focus on other irrelevant things as a way of going to heaven. For those that will eventually get to heaven, they will receive the greatest shock of their spiritual being.

Your last statement makes reference to Abraham, if we are to ignore all the old testament laws for a moment, then we cannot claim Abraham as our founding Father then, because Hebrews 6 and 7 still reiterated his tithe giving to Melchizedek the Priest and again it did not say it should be abolished as a matter of fact it emphasises the importance and link.

I know the Bible was written by humans, but did somebody delete or forget to write in the New Testament that tithing was irrelevant?

Stay blessed.
Re: Hebrews 7:9, Should A Pastor, General Overseer Pay Tithe And To Who If So? by Nobody: 2:19am On Apr 25, 2016
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