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mrwonlasewonie:
God sometimes delays our prayers to test our faith in him.he did that to job when he was ill and broke,he did that to Sarah and Abraham who didn't have children till their 90s

Job's ordeal was orchestrated by God from the start. He was playing chess over an innocent man's life with his favorite son, Satan. In fact, the bible made it clear that every bad thing that ever happened was God's doing for his twisted purpose (not minding the fact that he's toying with people's lives). To cap it all, he boasted of being the creator of evil in the bible.

Let me not ask you whether God authored your 11 years sickness & for what purpose...Let me ask why the facts show that modern day medicine successfully cured your sickness and not your 11 fvcking yrs of prayer Why didn't he miraculously cure you like he does in the bible?

ScienceWatch:
@Bronchitis Oaroloye

Lol, ...... roll on the ground laughter haaaaa hic hic Haaaaaa. I will be laughing for days if Seun decided to test your suggestion firstly on your own million word comments and [/b] a enforce a two sentence limit on all your topics and comments. [/b]

Haaa fall off the chair laughter !!!

Lol..u really cracked me up... But I wish that Seun will consider it. At least implementing a reasonable limit.
Some long comments really spoils a thread. Especially the ones you will scroll for more than 2 hours without reaching the end

lawani:
Your Destiny is determined by the super you, your ori

Lol..super you is still you right & not a deity (let's call it your spirit). Because you said before & I quote: "That is why my ori is my chief deity that I worship". That was what I was acting on.
So how can you (your inner self) possibly determine your own destiny? Again I will like you to state what is destiny like I asked earlier.

If I take that by destiny you mean choices, then I will quote what I said earlier:

I make choices and deal with them accordingly. Am not dancing to anyone's tune.
What if I told you that you're in control of your 52 cards? That no one but you is dealing them? That everything happening in your life is not by design. That you're in fact the captain & in total control of your ship..?

You/your spirit/inner -self/super you (or whatever) is in control of the choices you make & not some non-existent deity.

mrwonlasewonie:
I asked God to give me an affordable house. It was what I asked God for that he gave me.asking God for free house will be praying amiss or tempting the Lord my God.

You said God even gave you a house cheaper than what you asked for & I wonder, why cheaper, why not free... Praying amiss? People of Israel asked for food & God literally sent them food from heaven and not money. Why can't he do that for you?

meanwhile you're saying medicine healed me? Who gave me the money to be able to afford the drugs-God

There are some people who have been swallowing drugs for years and the drug didn't work for them.they died in the process and you're saying its medicine that healed me? My dear God made the drug effective for me to cure the illness

Money again? Why money? & How exactly did he gave you the money? He made it rain down from heaven or packaged it in a sack & sent one of his angels to deliver it?
Also why couldn't he do anything for 11 years despite your prayers and why drugs? He cured the leper, healed the lame & the blind & even raised someone from death without drugs, couldn't he do so in your case?

lawani:
If your ori leads you, thats your ori and not Olodumare. You Cant blame the supreme deity for that. then you dont determine how people treat you, their ori determines how they respond to whatever you do, not you!

Lol...remember we are talking about the concept of destiny which you believe in. What is destiny & who assigns it?

lawani:
Isnt It basic common sense that you dont determine how people treat you but only how you respond? If Your ori says you will be a thief then you cant stop it, you will cooperate with your ori

Actually brother, you determine how people treat you. It can be the way you behave, talk, or even the way you dress, walk, smell etc.
Okay now we're getting somewhere. Since you're saying that if your deity says that you will be a thief, you can't influence it (showing destiny) then I believe we can opine that there's nothing like bad deeds. Since every deed being done was orchestrated by the Supreme deity. A thief has no choice but to follow the script written for him. A murderer has no choice but to dance to the tune of the deity...
In short the concept of heaven will be null since the role everyone is playing was already pre-determined.

mrwonlasewonie:
I prayed for an affordable house within a particular price range and not far from my work place and a peaceful place,God answered me supernaturally way more than I expected. I got the house even cheaper and more spacious

Okay, let's say you're telling the truth in all these...
Now if you didn't pray, would you have bought the house? Did everybody that bought a house pray before they were able to afford it?
Okay, you got your own even cheaper than what you asked for, why didn't your god give you a free house?? I mean, since he can do all things, I expected him to miraculously construct one for you. Where did you even get the money used to purchase the house? Did it fall from heaven?
How can you buy a house like normal people do and term it God's handwork?

I asked God that I wanted to finish a particular program I was doing in school within a particular period of time and I am testifying to the glory of God he answered my prayer.I prayed that as I finish school I don't want to loiter the streets looking for job that immediately I finish the hob should come and it came exactly the way I prayed it

Come on, you finishing a program like normal people do is now the work of God? If you didn't, I would have called you a lazy & unserious student...Same goes for your job. You're lucky to get one. Many are still praying their hearts out for one, yet they haven't gotten any. Many as well didn't pray for one, yet they have.

I dealt with a life threatening disease for 11 years and God destroyed that disease in my life

If I continue elaborating on numerous ways God has answered me I will type for a long time and wouldn't do other things

11 good years God didn't heal you despite all your prayers for that 11 yrs and now that you are healed (of course by modern medicine) you're now thanking him? Come on this is sheer madness

lawani:
You Are not in control of the issues that come your way but only of how you respond. You Need to be in constant communion with your ori, that is what you are doing when you consult the ifa oracle. Your Ori Is the super you, then i am only a student of yoruba theology still. you can research more on your own.

If you are not in control of how things goes in your life, then how can your response be of your own accord?
Now, if your deity says you will be a thief, can your response change that?

lawani:
It is my head ori that determines all. it is the architect of my life. i am in control of how i respond to issues but even at that i respond with my head.

Wait let me get something clear...
Your ori determines your past, present and future. Your are in control of the issues it determines for you & yet you respond towards what your ori determined for you
Meeen this doesn't make sense..how can you be in control and at the same time not in control?

@ mrwonlasewonie
Frank317 has said my mind...do well to continue from there.. Care to elaborate how you know God answered your prayers?

The difference between Christian values is that it welcomes you to God's fold willingly ,peacefully and lives a life of Godly example without being forceful,intrusive or invading the space and boundaries of others

Like we have agreed, you don't know the bible, which is the center of Christianity..because if you have read it, you will see the falsity in your statement.

mrwonlasewonie:
I'm a christian but you cannot emotionally manipulate me into being an atheist. I know Jesus is real ,I believe in him and he has never disappointed me

I may not have all the Bible stories all figured out but he has answered my own life questions.meanwhile Jesus is the only light, the truth and the life

Lol bro..am not trying to manipulate you. Am merely revealing a truth which you were blind to see & adamant+afraid to accept.
How did you become a Christian in the first place? Parents indoctrination & societal influence? Do you even study the supposed word of God or do you just swallow the part your preacher taught you line, hook & sinker and ignore the rest?
An advice: If you wanna know more about the God character, study the bible objectively. Don't be a sunday sunday christian.

Besides, how did you know Jesus is real??

lawani:
My Ori or head is in control of whatever happens to me, good or bad. That is why my ori is my chief deity that I worship. If I want to die young i might be born during an epidemic. if i want to be US President, i will be born a US citizen. Some of my destiny are malleable while others are not. YOU ARE NOT IN TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR DESTINY OR OF ANYTHING AT ALL! but you can play your cards well by being fair to all human beings you encounter

Is there even anything like destiny? Anyway let's go with that..
Okay let's say you become a thief tomorrow or you are already a thief, was it your deity that made you to be so?? Since you're not in control of anything but your deity, who I understand is the architect of your life.

mrwonlasewonie:
lol.when we get to heaven Jesus will explain the somewhat inconsistencies to me

Lol...are you sure you are a Christian? If you can't even accept the truth in your face then you are nothing more than a hypocrite. Drop the false pretense because I know you have seen the truth made clear by the bible but you don't wanna accept them for reasons best known to you
Anyway, at least you have accepted that the bible is filled with contrarieties...that's a wise step.

lawani:
I am playing the cards dealt me in life to the best of my ability. You?

I make choices and deal with them accordingly. Am not dancing to anyone's tune.
What if I told you that you're in control of your 52 cards? That no one but you is dealing them? That everything happening in your life is not by design. That you're in fact the captain & in total control of your ship..?

lawani:
Olodumare can send an ori Apeere to earth if situation warrants such.

I guess you weren't sent, no?

lawani:
I cant remember all that has happened to me even in this incarnation not to talk of other incarnation or in heaven but i gather some people have that power

Lol..okay..but one thing is clear. You were chased back because your past life (which you can't remember, nor have evidence of) was filled with atrocities
I can see that you are still committing some of them (hence, you are not yet Apeere), showing that you don't want to enter into Olodumare's heaven because it's boring, no?

lawani:
If I consider how some people carry on with life, I must say I must say I am nearer Apeere than most and I will never retrogress.

Oh nice
Errm..but u didn't answer the question? You have been to heaven before, so what happened? Or was it in a dream?

Lol...when I thought I have seen it all
Another conspiracy theorist..

lawani:
What I got from my ancestors is 'Heaven is home while Earth is a market place'. I cant remember when last I was in heaven

Come on...what you wrote doesn't show that heaven is enjoyable...It kinda sound lonely.
The bolded showed that you have been to heaven..What happened? Why were you kicked out? You enveloped yourself with bad deeds in your former life?

mrwonlasewonie:
question 1-the Bible didn't explain where Cain got his wife from but it's certain that he had a wife and kids and he had descendants and its evident because we have billions of humans living in the world with different races,diverse tribes and various languages

But certainly as its written in the Bible one thing is sure that the thing which seems unclear and vague to us shall be perfectly understood at the coming of christ,when we get to heaven to meet Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and what is like a misty shallow understanding shall become perfectly understood and clear

Lol..let's leave the preaching for now alright..
Okay, the bible asserted that Cain went to a place called the land of Nod to get a wife before Eve begot Seth. This perfectly implies that it is a land of whole new people. Heck, it even had a name showing that generations must have lived in that place.
You even acknowledged that Cain married from another race...Now what is all these info telling us?
What do you want the bible to explain to you again? Or are you saying that the bible is cut & join??

mrwonlasewonie:
number 1 question- from the Bible account yes Adam and eve were the only humans on earth

If you say that Adam & even were the only humans created, then from which race again did Cain get his wife?

2 question- God that created Adam and eve can create anything but he put the reproductive organ and reproductive responsibility on men and women to procreate that's why the man has a penis and has sperm in his reproductive organ capable of impregnating a woman through sexual activity thereby multiplying the human race.therefore God created man and woman and he left them with the responsibility of multiplying Their generations

Lol..this by no means answer the 2nd ques as it goes with the 1st... Anyway, let's continue with the question above^

lawani:
Well, you dont know how enjoyable staying in heaven is.

Oh... Well, tell me then how enjoyable it is. Maybe I will start liking it.
Seems you have a 1st hand experience about Olodumare's heaven, no?

mrwonlasewonie:
after Adam and eve died,Cain married women of other races that existed in the world but the Bible didn't give account of that or tell us in details who Cain's wife was but he married sha.that was the Bottomline.

Just one or two questions brother. If Cain married a woman from another race that existed in the world, does it mean that: 1) Adam and Even weren't the only humans created?
2) That God was lying to Adam and Eve by telling them to be fruitful and multipy (& have dominion over the whole earth) where "it" goes about creating other people because it knows they couldn't get the job done??

lawani:
It is obviously like repeating a class or not but given enough time you will become Apeere. That is also the teaching in Buddhism

Okay..

If am one of you guys, I think I will like repeating the class over & over than being stuck in one place with one fatherly guy

lawani:
Dont Draw parallels between traditional theology and religion. They are poles apart. Reincarnation On Earth is to make you a better person. There Is Esan Or Karma For Everything You Do

What if the person decides not to be a better person after reincarnation?? All I see is the same punishment recurring over & over & over.
What am trying to establish is that the 2 religions under review dishes out punishment to its followers albeit in a different form.
So I don't think you are under a good authority to say yours is good & the other bad. All I see are two ailments- where one is headache and the other stomach ache.

lawani:
Of course to remain in heavem is more desirable as earth is a market place while heaven is home but if there is an assignment an Apeere or Buddha Can Be reincarnated on Earth

Oh ok
A Christian will as well tell me that.
Reward->Desirable
Punishment->Unpleasant.

lawani:
They will keep returning to earth until they reach Apeere Just like the state of Nirvana In Buddhism. Everybody inching towards Apeere.

Oh I see. The punishment is returning back to earth & the reward is staying in heaven with Olodumare.
I wonder which one is more fun

Thanks, I now got something clear...
In Christianity, the reward is heaven & punishment is hell (or returning to the soil according to Jehovah W.)
& in Yoruba theology, reward=heaven; punishment=coming back to earth.

Ranchhoddas:
What?

Lol...my reply is to your comment. Quite funny. So am implying that atheists are now hatching from Christian eggs..
Christians=babies/eggs (always afraid & don't really think). Atheist= adults (Thinks & overcomes fear).

lawani:
There Is heaven where Olodumare reigns in Yoruba Theology and we will all end up there to give account of how we spent our lives and only our good deeds can save us. thanks for your intelligent questions

Oh I see.. If I understood you correctly, it means that everyone will end up in heaven to give their accounts according to Yoruba theology.
Now I can imply that those that did good deeds will stay in that heaven with Olodumare. What will happen to those that did bad deeds??

Ranchhoddas:
Yeah it is.
Another atheist is about to hatch.
You Christians are slacking.
You guys on Nairaland might just be denied entrance into Heaven because of your lukewarmness.

Lol! About to hatch?
Oh my good gracious God!! Say hello to your people so that they won't hatch into adults

lawani:
In traditional theology, you dont need to believe anything to be saved. You are saved by your good works.

Since there's no heaven and hell in traditional theology, what do you then mean by "saved"?

I wanted to address the op but after reading the comments and arguments that followed, it shows that Listener07 is doing nothing other than bring up post hocs & even contradictions.

In the op, u didn't specifically say that the pastor mentioned a name. You used the word "someone". And after the accident happened, it's now implied that that someone was the church sexton.
But in your reply to someone's explanation, you said you made it perfectly clear in your op.

In your op, you said the man had an accident and sustained a few injuries, but you later you said it was so bloody that he barely survived

So it begs the questions, what are you trying to achieve with this thread?? Because I have seen that you have gotten wonderful explanations so far, but instead of accepting them, you kept twisting facts..