akunjohn:




Wetin u pack 4 back?

Precious gift from my sweet mum..

Jonwesley:


Certainly, I welcome the resolutions of the confab with whole heart. What a beauty to behold Nigerians gather to talk their differences. How I wish the national assembly can do the needful on those resolutions. That's would be a way to solving the impasse created and douse the cravings from agitators.

Now discussing the National confab here will be a huge digression from your topic. Maybe again as an enlightened mind you can raise that topic another time.

Your humour caught me unawares, but I'm available to help the DSS on my ability to xray body parts without going inside or body unclad. Wao! A killer pose and such curves can be a bait to a hungry or starved homosapiens.

Am humbled Sir. Issues of National interest need to be brought here for justice to be done on it.. Am highly marveled at the level of great thinkers we have here yet Nigeria is still backward in virtually all sectors..
Thanks a lot for your great comments.. Young ones like myself have learnt more than just enough on this thread..

tibaonnet:
When the Central system is weaken & states are given more power. Pls is this Federalism or Confederationism?.

Please lecture us if you have the time..

Thanks.

oweniwe:


DEAFandDUMB ... It's your thread ... I believe you saw all the trash he posted.

Please try and maintain sanity on your thread by cautioning folks who use strong words and abusive languages here... Cos things like these repulse people from participating...

If anyone insults me here again, I'm out.

Sorry about that Sir .. Will try and call him to order..
Please don't leave..

masseratti:
well for now they wont do anything, power intoxicate, if you are not there yet you can complain, once you do get there its difficult to let go of the power, the main source of power is not guns or force only but resources.

Btw you cant be the one on your dp.... if thats you.. hmmmmmm you are hot.. and so that pervs dont kill your inbox, just replace it with something else.

Thanks a lot Sir for that fatherly advice.. I will switch the picture immediately..

jjk24:
pls do, let the process be open and use the social media well enof ,u feel me?

Yes Sir.. I feel you Sir..
Thanks.

masseratti:
well we know fully well that politicos do come to nairaland, even people in aso rock.
You welcome btw.

Thanks for the insight dear.. I just hope our big brothers over there at the Aso rock will go through this thread and act on it.. A lot has been voiced out here and high percentage of the comments contains all that Nigeria needs to get things right once again..

With her mouth shut, she sure looks like Tiwa salvage but with open mouth, am afraid the long teeth won't allow her resemble Tiwa again..
Am a born again Christian and speaking the truth at all times happens to be my hobby.. Lol

Okbath:
Advantages ranges from PEACE, ECONOMIC LEVERAGE,.....JOB CREATION, SECURITY etc

What about the disadvantages?

ifevictor:


while many people in the south support true federalism because of crude oil resources which has more value at present. The south keep encouraging the North to go into farming, the last time I checked the south too there are arable lands unplowed so while can they do farming too.
The disdvantages of true federalism are inherent in what u call the advantages..
1. Incessant tribal war will increase cos there will always be minorities in those federating region e.g in Biafra, we will have igbos as majorities while the niger delta minority tribes as the minority, the igbos will have the population to always produce the regional governor at the detriment of the minorities, strife and chaos will start from there...same will be replicated in all regions cos we have over 250 tribes in nigeria

2. Rich states will become lazy cos of their resources..

3. There will be serious migration to rich state from poorer states leading to crisis. There will be discrimination against citizens cos u might not get jobs if u aren't from that region

4. Xynophobic attacks will be on the rise cos foreigner (people from other region) might take over opportunities in those "rich region" and indigines will fight against them.

5. It will drive hate among various ethnic tribes cos of varying opportunities available to people of the same country especially with state of origin enshrined in our constitution.

6. It wil definitely lead to the break up of Nigeria.

I believe most proponents of True federalism in the south in the context they are putting it want it because of selfishness and not national integration. They want it because it appears that they are at advantage.
While I believe in restructuring and devolution of more power to the states, I am against the type of federalism that most southern are proposing cos it will eventually lead to war and breakup of the country. It is either we hold a referendum to break up now peacefully or we stay together and restructure but not restructure into regions that wil eventually lead to chaos and war.

How best do you think Nigeria can be restructured so as to get the best out of her?

Jonwesley:


Yes, my eyes still sharp with high quality lens and to say I'm tempted is just an understatement. Do I now conclude U are a beauty with brains that is engaged in public discourse.

Now to the topic, my contribution would not essentially be on the pros and cons as I would be repeating what some people have already said. Actually the poster that listed points, can't remember his moniker now spoke my heart out.

Ideal federalism is the best word actually and not the typical Nigerian form and calling It TRUE federalism. At the time it was agreed by Gowon in Aburi Ghana, the context was not understood for the depravity it will cause some parts of the country. The position the government took was to consolidate and strengthen the unity of the country, not a selfish one. However that was at the time and now many water has passed under the bridge. I agree to ideal federalism, as the comparative advantages of each area would have brought higher developments to the country. But what the agitators are asking for now to me very parochial and selfish, particularly the south south and south east brothers. They stem their agitations based on the fact of greed on what their areas can give each of their pockets. They don't mind if Sokoto state become like Sudan or a hungry looking nation. If U ask me, yes Nigeria is huge with multi dimensional issues that granting ideal federalism now will cause more problems. Hence the best is for people to come to National conferences to speak unending discourse all the time. No President after being elected democratically as being practiced would come up and divide the nation into regions and states as being called for. The structure does not and would not allow it. Let me stop here. Guess I have contributed something beauty?

You've done a great job sir.. Well done..
Talking about national conference, I thought we just had one or the resolution of the confab report not OK to you?.. Am yawning to learn more from you Sir..


Meanwhile DSS will very much appreciate your kind of high caliber eyes in their fight against corruption..
Lol

nyben4eva:
ADVANTAGES OF TRUE FEDERALISM:


1.THE INCESSANT TRIBAL WARS WILL END

2.THE PEOPLE GETS CLOSER TO THE GOVERNMENT

3.ACCOUNTABILITY BY PUBLIC OFFICE HOLDERS BECOMES HIGH

4.MINORITY AND MAJORITY SYNDROME IS ELIMINATED

5.OPPRESSION BY THE MAJORITY TRIBES ENDS


6.LAZY STATES BECOMES CREATIVE

7.RELIGION FANATICISM WILL BE REDUCED

8.REVENUE WILL BE GENERATED FROM ALL STATES AS THERE WON'T BE ANYMORE HAND OUTS

9.CHECKS AND BALANCES BECOMES MORE EFFECTIVE

10.IT ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT

11.REAL PARASITES BECOMES OBVIOUS

12.THE NATION WILL BECOME MORE PEACEFUL

DISADVANTAGES OF TRUE FEDERALISM:


NONE!

Are you sure true federalism doesn't have any disadvantage?

babasoadaj:
MY OPINION.....
A. The time to plan true federalism is NOW. PMB shld encourage each region to develop a long term plan to develop themselves. At least 4 GOOD GUYS from each state shld be member of the THINK TANK for each region. Give them 2 years to map out the strategies to develop that region.
B. ALL the region shld have a single account with the CENTRAL BANK at the Federal. ALL transactions go thru the central bank TSA account of that region. Federal government collects 40% of all transactions from d regions to run the MILITARY...ADMINISTRATION......POLICE......RESEARCH.......SUPERVISION
REGIONAL CBN work in tandem with FEDERAL CBN who periodically make available d accounts of each region known to their people. REGIONS shld have access to their money 24/7
C. REGIONAL POLICE shld be under d control of the FEDERAL POLICE. Recruitment shld be done in such a way that trained police shld be sent to their states to work. Federal police constituted in such a way that all the regions are EQUALLY represented. Having six inspector general of police at the federal police level is not a bad idea.
D. DEATH PENALTY FOR CORRUPT PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND FORFEITURE OF THE ASSETS OF PRIVATE CORPORATIONS INVOLVED IN ANY FORM OF CORRUPTION SHOULD BE BOLDLY WRITTEN IN OUR CONSTITUTION. EFCC shld be maintained at d federal level.
E. Correct database for each region shld be maintained. NIN/BVN is compulsory to access services.Preliminary NIN shld be issued at the point of birth....labour ward.....Primary,secondary and tertiary health centers........and later validated with Population commission before the age of 2.
F.FREE COMPULSORY EDUCATION up to SS3 in all the regions. Sponsored by the region but supervised by the FG. JAMB SHLD CONDUCT SSCE n UTME
G. NIG DEFENCE ACADEMY RESTRUCTURED. Equal number of cadets from each region shld be taken yearly. Promotion of officers shld cut across each region and based strictly on merit.


Finally.......

I want to thank NL admin for starting this thread. I think we shld be seen using the internet to plan our future.

You just did justice to the topic.. Thanks a lot Sir.

Jonwesley:


Aha, what Ur pictures say on your DP is more than being unclad. Are U not inferring same, or do U want repetitions of what have been said. How many pages now on this thread?

Really? Did you see any part of my body exposed? Or you xrayed my picture with your high quality scanning eyes....

That's by the way. Let's hear from you... You can still add to what that has already been said so far..

WILLIAMS10:


How best do I answer ur question but with illustration.Permit me to take u on a journey down memory lane;that's d historian in me. In Northern America(USA)we have a dichotomy;white and black distrust and overt malfeasance and bigotry. We had anemic laws upholding this bitterness and angst(dred scot,jim crow and so on)..even when Lincoln emancipated the slaves in 1863,the white folks still felt superior(ask a kkk). Now we had Dr.King frm d South and Malcom frm d North ..can u forget King's "I have a dream" speech? With is non-violent antics..today,has his dream not materialised(Obama)even amidst the hate and spitefulness..so my dear...I Henryking Voltaire,I HAVE A DREAM..one day this nation will rise above hate and ethnicity and reap the true meaning of democracy and federalism!

I have same dream too Sir... You answered the question like you are on a live t.v show.. Since its a delicate issue, you choose to use illustrations to avoid hitting up the polity.. Lol

Thanks a lot Sir.. I've learnt alot today..

ibietela2:


Who wants to start the demanding?

I can leave the struggle but I believe together we can achieve it... You, me and every other person out there that has the interest of a better Nigeria at heart..

engrhorla:
@DeafandDumb @Williams10

It's so bad the way northerners and easterners see themselves..the mutual distrust is visible to the blind!

But like it has been pointed out, it's our cross

Perhaps, one day gazing into the future like BankPHB that said cars will run on water, an Ibo man will gladly and wholeheartedly break kola for his Hausa brother!

It is possible! Let me have an Amen!

Amen..


Hope you've heard that both PDP and APC are gunning for a Northerner as their party flag bearer for 2019 presidential election..

engrhorla:


OMG!

You just summarised my point, you know that right!

However, in project management, project team members are supposed to disagree in order to agree!

Seriously, the easy route is to just throw in the towel!

But the 'peak is in us'..we can make some headways here.

I honestly believe that

Same with me Sir.. I strongly believe that Nigeria will be great again..

WILLIAMS10:


Hmmmmm...U're the second person asking this sensitive question today..I've been mobbed by my students on this issue..earlier today I received a barrage of questions on issues plaguing Nigeria..I will keep saying the same thing.. We are the way forward..we either agree to live together of agree to leave...
The central government shld be more inclusive and ethnic-blind..This will help reduce tension and bring all regions into the system. Now another problem is our mutual suspicion and distrust..someone asked me today and I quote,"sir,can an Igbo man rule Nigeria?"..believe me,I strained my brain to answer this dicy question. The truth is,there's mutual distrust(especially North and East)..but we must manage it through inclusion

Wow.. You've got an anonymous student here Sir.. Lol.
Thanks for Your great input.. But I would love to ask you my own dicy question.. Why can't the two major political parties we have in Nigeria present an Igbo man as there presidential candidate for an election??

engrhorla:
Like seriously, our opinions here, as differing and confusing as it is, where a word has different meanings to 2 or 3 people is a typology of what happens in national fora e.g National Assembly. That is the more reason making an headway collectively is an extraneous hard work!

Nigeria is just simply complex!

And that's the big puzzle we need to solve first.. We always agree to disagree... Lol..

WILLIAMS10:



The issue of unity have been trashed out in my previous post..the amalgamation was and is faulty..our past leader also saw it that way..if fact we have really nudge forward in some ways..during the first republic,how many parties were really national?..AG created in 1951 was a western part..NCNC was eastern,NPC for the North..The leaders preyed on ethnic sentiments just for self-serving purposes.
Fast forward a bit,the reason why our federalism is not working is because it is sick and ailing..it's an extractive system;only feeding a few individuals(it has become a do-or die thing)..If only we can purge ourselves of greed,an inclusive system is a strong palliative.

Then the big question now is , which way forward??

WILLIAMS10:



The purpose of this thread,I believe,is for us to learn an sharpen our hitherto understanding..That's d reason I took out time to explain both concepts(federalism and confederacy/"true federalism).
Federalism,if practised appropriately will unite and allay ethnic sentiments(due to a central government).on the other hand,confederacy will only highlight ethnic differences. We will become conscious of our echelon. Thereby,further polarising the country. Also,federalism,if anemic,will also heighten ethnic consciousness..the marginalised group will react and call for separation.
The truth does not change,only our knowledge of it does..Confederacy is tantamount to giving up our unity and oneness.

I must comend your great intellent Sir.. Please I would love to know what system of government are we practising presently in Nigeria and why is the system not working out...
At the bolded on your quoted submission, please Sir, from your explanations, confederacy is equal to giving up our untiy and togetherness.. But are we truely united? Or claimed to be united whereas we are all strange bed fellows.

mukhcech:




If only they knew what federalism even means.

So funny my dear.. But you might be right oooo.. I will make hard copies of all the comments on this thread and forward it to the national assembly for them to study and act on it..

porozhniy:
Nigeria will ever remain stagnant or even worse unless we get rid of our current leaders, federalism or not. I'm all for 100% resource control, local govt. autonomy, part-time legislators, state police etc. But it will never work unless we develop a system to check the inevitable systemic abuses that will follow. My humble opinion though, nice job @ op.

Thanks Dear... We are learning from eachother here.. Please can you throw more lights on the bolded from your submission..

Eluwilussit:


1) Advantage is Biafra.
2) Disadvantage is still Biafra.
3) 1&2.

Please can we concentrate more on the topic of discourse and not let tribe reasoning get involved in it.. If your point butters on secession, you can then state while you think Biafra is the advantage and disadvantage of true federalism... Let's hear from you Sir... The mic is in your hands now..

engrhorla:


You are welcome, Ma! Pls do! I trust you won't want doctors to do that for you!
6hours sleep in a day is good for the body - a quarter of d day!

By the way, I will join hands with you in making this thread staying up and alive!

Wow... Thanks a lot Sir.. Am really developing my brains here with great knowledge.. I love it when intelligent minds engage eachother for discourse in a very constructive way..
Thanks onces more Sir.. I appreciate..

lionshare:
From this thread the problem of this country can be ascertained...

But do you think our leaders can actually heed to our cry for true federalism without a total revolution or confrontation?
What do you think Sir?

lionshare:


Be honest! Would you like to see you state merge?

If merging my state will bring forth employment for the unemployed, create enabling and conducive environment for investors, liberate my people from darkness to a state of constant power supply, provide basic life amenities for my people especially good roads, standard health centers, good drinking water, security for lives and properties... If all these can be achieved by merging my state than I will gladly vote for the merger... Nigeria is so blessed but few greedy politician has siphoned all that is meant for all thereby leaving us with nothing but mere unrealistic campaign promises..

engrhorla:

I at this moment just stumbled on this discourse!

Thanks for bringing it up!
Though I noticed some distractions (that's normal on this site)

You know what? You have done a great job!

But I do hope you get yourself a nap in d course of the day? 4 hours sleep in a 24hours is damn too slow

Thanks once more!

Thanks a lot sir for your candid advice... Will see how I can adjust my schedules so that my night rest timing can at least extend to 5hours..

masseratti:
smh are you new on nairaland? quoting musiwa.

Am new here my dear... This forum houses great thinkers and eloquent political analyst I've ever come across.. How I wish most of our comments here will be published on national dailies...

nigerianvenom:


The advantages are enormous as eddygourdo and erusen had earlier explained.
Imagine a situation where a state can generate some amount of electricity but can't used it for the benefit of its people because it's exclusively the FG'S prerogative,is that not insanity?
Imagine where a state has a very long span kilometers of road in its axis but can't construct it cos it's the FG road and if it's tarred, the FG will refuse to refund the money expended on such. These are critical issues where only true federalism would solve.
Imagine a governor is the chief security of his state, but can't choose it's security details and can't even caution the cp of police.
Only true federalism will curb this.
My only problem is that it will breed grade A level of corruption if there is no check n balance.

But can our governors be able to able to handle such power that comes with true federalism cos most of them might end up getting power drunk and start changing the Government at centre with their new powers.. What roles does our legislators have to play to make this true federalism a reality?

lionshare:
Interesting, I see a lot of uninformed folks shouting True federalism lately. First and foremost, there is nothing like True Federalism in the real sense of it, you either have federalism or another system of government. Now,what i believe most people meant to say is Ideal federalism, though its noteworthy to asserts that federalism as systems takes into consideration the peculiarity of the people.

What I think people should clamor for is greater autonomy of the LG and States. Even if you consider the American, the Center is still more powerful than any other entity and that's an Ideal Federalism, but when the states and Lg's have more autonomy mostly over domestic security and resources they can formulate policies within the federal structure and pursue their individual growth and development without waiting for the central government.

However, I personally doubt if the so called Ideal federalism can work in Nigeria, only a few states will survive; nepotism, favoritism and patronage will ruin many states. For example south south governors will allocate oil wells to the friends and family who will not even bother to pay taxes to the government purse but pay money to the governors account. Tell me how will the states survive? Food for thought! I see only a few states like Lagos, Anambra, Edo e.t.c; because relatively this states are more less of an egalitarian societies wherein anyone can strive to make it to the top and achieve some level of success even if you are not born of a silver spoon or belong to the political/elite class.

You are so on point... Ride on sir..