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lexiconkabir:
Complete the definition.




Hmm, have you heard about the bid'ah of marwaan and the bid'ah of Abu israeel?





This is not what i asked, i asked, who called jabata a kafir?

Brother, you don't do listen to jabata lectures.... If you truly do, you would have hear his reply to what you have just said... And it is people of bidia that do use that proofs

lexiconkabir:
Answer these questions;

1.) Who is a takfiri?

2.) Does jabata say kullu bid'atin kufr?

3.) And emm, who called him a kafir?



Note: I do listen to his lectures too to confirm if what they say about him is true.

Takfiri is a Muslim calling a Muslim kufar...


Yes... All bidia is kufr... Kulu bidia tun dolala.. EVERY INNOVATION IS MISGUIDANCE .. ACCORDING TO SUNNAH, BIDIA IS KUFR



A kafir is someone is follows his or her desire after proofs from Quran and sunnah have been clear to him or her..nor does he or her is forced to do any act of kufr nor he or she is ignorant about the kufr act he or she is doing nor he or she does kufr act by mistake....the punishment of a kafir is to boycott such person.. To cut all ties with him or her.

lexiconkabir:
Answer these questions;
1.) Who is a takfiri?
2.) Does jabata say kullu bid'atin kufr?
3.) And emm, who called him a kafir?
Note: I do listen to his lectures too to confirm if what they say about him is true.

If you do truly listen to his lectures... Then you will know all that calls him imam takfiri or so are lairs. Some people who call themselves sunnah followers even do say people shouldn't listen to his lectures again that he's misguided

Salam alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakahtuhu my brother's and sister's in Islam.




Like we all know, in Islam, before you can say anything in Islam, you must back it up with proofs from Quran and Sunnah...




I do listen to jabata lectures very well and he explained everything about takfir and its conditions in Islam.




Before you can call someone a kufar, all the 3 conditions must be considered..




Before you accuse Jabata for takfiri or so, listen to his lectures first, do not listen to "them say he say"... Hear it for yourself..




If you call a Muslim a kufar, the kufar is on you....

Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

Division and differences among this ummah is something inevitable, to which history bears witness, as do the texts of the Sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you lives after I am gone will see a great deal of dissent.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4067); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in
Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Dissent has occurred in the political field, as well as in the fields of thought and ‘aqeedah, which is represented in the appearance of different sects at the end of the era of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, such as the Murji’is, Shi’ah and Khawaarij.
But by His mercy, Allaah decreed that this division should happen when some groups drifted away from the way of the main body of the Muslims and developed their own different approach, and they were distinguished by their own names and character. So the ‘aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and the ‘aqeedah of the majority of Muslims, was not confused even for a day with that of the other, misguided sects, so that those sects would not dare to call themselves Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, rather they are called after the bid’ah (innovation) that they introduced, or the person who founded the sect. You can see that when you examine the names of all the sects.
The famous hadeeth about the ummah splitting into seventy-three sects bears witness to that.

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

Narrated by Abu Dawood (4597) and others; classed as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/128), who said: it is an important hadeeth that represents a basic principle. It was classed as hasan by Ibn Hajar in Takhreej al-Kashshaaf (63). It was classed as saheeh by Ibn Taymiyah in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (3/345), al-Shaatibi in al-I’tisaam (1/430), and al-‘Iraaqi in
Takhreej al-Ihya’ (9/133). It is mentioned frequently and often quoted as evidence by the scholars in the books of Sunnah, and it was narrated from a number of the Sahaabah via many isnaads, most of the soundest of which specify the number of sects as being seventy-three.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) described the saved group as the jamaa’ah, i.e., the consensus of the Muslim scholars. In other reports he also described them as “the vast multitude”, as in the hadeeth of Abu Umaamah and others which is recorded by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim in al-Sunnah (1/34) and al-Tabaraani in
al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer (8/321), with an isnaad that is hasan li ghayrihi (hasan because of corroborating evidence).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in
Saheeh al-Tirmidhi .

This is the clearest sign that the Muslim can use to determine what is the saved group, so he should follow the way of the majority of scholars, those whom all the people testify are trustworthy and religiously-committed, and he should follow the way of the earlier scholars among the Sahaabah, Taabi’een and the four Imams and other scholars, and he should beware of every sect that differs from the main body of Muslims (jamaa’ah) by following innovation (bid’ah).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The sign of the people of bid’ah is that they do not follow the salaf. End quote from Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (4/155).

He also said (3/346): The sign of these groups – i.e., the seventy-two groups that go against Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah – is that they forsake the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus. The one who follows the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus is one of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. End quote.
It is not permissible for anyone to imagine after this that the Shi’ah, for example, are the saved group, or that the deviant Sufis, Khawaarij or Habashis are the saved group. Rather these are innovated groups which only follow invented ideas, that are denounced by the scholars and the majority of Muslims, who feel repulsion in their hearts towards them. Their ideas were never believed in for a day by Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthmaan or ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with them), or by Imam Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafa’i or Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Would any wise person think that a belief that these imams were unaware of could be correct?

Think about it. There is the greatest and most obvious difference between Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah (the saved group) and other, misguided groups.
Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) says:

Hence the saved group is described as Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and they are the greater majority and the vast multitude. As for the other groups, they are followers of weird ideas, division, innovation and whims and desires, and none of these groups reached anywhere close to the size of the saved group, let alone being equal to them, rather some of these groups are very small in number. The sign of these groups is that they go against the Qur'aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus. The one who follows the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus is one of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (3/346).
Al-Shaatibi has mentioned many names of the doomed groups in al-I’tisaam (1/453-460).

Secondly:
The scholars of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah have stated in their books that the other sects are among the misguided and doomed innovated groups, and that they deserve to enter Hell because of the reprehensible ideas and grave innovations that they have introduced into the religion of Allaah. But in most cases they are not regarded as kaafirs, rather they are regarded as Muslim sects.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Similarly, with the other seventy-two groups, those that are hypocrites are inwardly kaafirs, and those that are not hypocrites but rather believe inwardly in Allaah and His Messenger are not inwardly kaafirs, even though they are mistaken in their interpretations, regardless of what that mistake may be. Some of them may have some of the branches of hypocrisy, or they may not have the kind of hypocrisy that dooms a man to the lowest depths of Hell.
The one who says that each of the seventy-two sects is guilty of kufr that puts one beyond the pale of Islam is going against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and the consensus of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them all), and the consensus of the four imams and others. None of them regarded any of the seventy-two sects as kaafirs, rather they regard one another as kaafirs.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (7/218).

This does not mean that every sect that calls itself Muslim is actually Muslim, rather they may be kaafirs and apostates, such as the extreme Raafidis, the extreme Sufis and the baatini sects such as the Druze, Nusayris and others. These are all beyond the pale of Islam and are not regarded as being among the sects mentioned in the hadeeth.
Thirdly:

The cause of difference and division among these groups mentioned in the hadeeth has to do with fundamental matters of religion and basic issues of ‘aqeedah, not differences of opinion regarding fiqh.
Al-Shaatibi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

These are regarded as sects because they differ from the saved group with regard to some fundamental issues of religion and basic rules of sharee’ah, not with regard to minor issues, because differences with regard to minor issues does not lead to division and factionalism, rather factionalism occurs when there are differences concerning fundamental issues of Islam.
Al-I’tisaam (1/439).

If some Muslim groups stand out from others because of a specific method of da’wah and working for Islam, but they do not go against Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah in their ‘aqeedah, then they are not to be regarded as doomed groups, rather they are among the saved group in sha Allaah, if they follow the way of the Sahaabah and Taabi’een in ‘aqeedah and action.

There are a number of questions on our site that offer more information and details about this issue. Please see questions no. 206 , 1393, 10121,
10554 , 10777, 12761 and 21065.


And Allaah knows best.

acedpeach:
But I just got my note 2 last week..WishKynLifeBeDis...

how much you buy your note 2

My fellow brother and sister (s) in sunnah... please ignore anyone that goes against our strict following of Quran and hadith(sunnah)... salam alaykum

AlBaqir:
Unfortunately, you did not give any reference to this alleged hadith of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa ahli. You equally failed to give the sanad (chain of transmitters) for the so-called hadith.



Following the sunnah of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa ahli is an obligatory command which has been mandated by the Quran. Whoever does not follow the Sunnah of the Prophet, absolutely does not follow the Quran and such person is a kafir.

However to say the hadith (as stated above) is sahih or Hassan is desperation, ignorance and fanaticism. You are challenged to give the source, sanad of the hadith.

The hadith never exist in any of Sunni Six books of ahadith (i.e Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim etc). It can be found in the following Ahlu Sunnah books:

# Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik ibn Anas with no chain of transmitter linking the Prophet - that makes it Da'if (weak) by default

# Sunan al-Bayhaqi also with a very Da'if chain

# Al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihain of Imam al-Hakim [b]with a very weak (Da'if) chain
Unfortunately sheik Ibn Baz copied this same hadith with Da'if chain from Imam al-Hakim, and erroneously claimed it to be sahih (authentic).

However, an ultra strict salafi scholar and Imam of hadith, Shaykh Muqbil, writes while correcting both Imam al-Hakim and Sheik Ibn Baz in his "Tahqiq of al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihain (of Imam al-Hakim):

It is a da'if hadith, because it is narrated through the route of Ismail ibn Abi Uways from his father, and there is criticism against both of them. Its shahid (witness/corroboration) is narrated through the route of Salih ibn Musa al-Talihi, and he is matruk (rejected)
Source: Abū ‘Abd Allāh Muḥammad b. ‘Abd Allāh al-Ḥākim al-Naysābūrī, al-Mustadrak ‘alā al-Ṣaḥīḥayn (Dār al-Ḥaramayn li Ṭabā’ah wa al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī’; 1st edition, 1417 H) [annotator: Abū ‘Abd al-Raḥman Muqbil b. Hādī al-Wādi’ī], vol. 1, p. 161, # 318

# Another well known Sunni hadith scientist, Sayyid Hassan al-Saqqaf express his concern angrily:

As for the hadith {I have left over you ...the Book of God and my Sunnah} which people repeat among themselves, and which the lecturers quote on the pulpits, IT IS A FABRICATED, FALSE HADITH It was fabricated by the Umayyads and their followers to turn people away from this sahih hadith about the offspring of the prophet. So be very careful due to that! I have mentioned all its chains and exposed the liars and fabricators in its chains at the end of my book Sahih Sifat Salat al-Nabi, p.289

Source: Ḥasan b. ‘Alī al-Saqqāf al-Qurashī al-Hāshimī al-Ḥusaynī, Ṣaḥīḥ Sharḥ al-‘Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwiyyah (Amman: Dār Imām al-Nawawī; 1st edition, 1416 H), p. 654, footnote # 385

Again you are challenged to submit your evidences that the alleged hadith as stated by the OP is authentic or sound.

am not obliged to answer your question... as long as you reject a sahih or hassan hadith... you are not one of us (Muslim) .... Quran and authentic hadith are same thing

stupid phone.. 2gig for 55k? a dey craze?. phone wey no suppose reach 45k.. a go go buy note 2 jare... #walks out#

In Hadith Sahih... Rasulullah (saw) said, "I LEAVE YOU WITH TWO THINGS, AS LONG AS YOU HOLD THEM TIGHTLY, YOU WILL NEVER GO ASTRAY.
THEY ARE; THE BOOK OF ALLAH(QURAN) AND MY SUNNAH(SAHIH AND HASSAN HADITHS)"

إِنَّ الْحَمْدَ لِلَّهِ نَحْمَدُهُ وَنَسْتَعِينُهُ ونستغفره ونعوذ بالله من شرور أنفسنا ومن سيئات أعمالنا مَنْ يَهْدِهِ اللَّهُ فَلَا مُضِلَّ لَهُ وَمَنْ يُضْلِلْ فَلَا هَادِيَ لَهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَحْدَهُ لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَأَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا عَبْدُهُ وَرَسُولُهُ

قال الله تعالى يَاأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ تُقَاتِهِ وَلا تَمُوتُنَّ إِلا وَأَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ

وقال تعالى يَاأَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَخَلَقَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنْهُمَا رِجَالا كَثِيرًا وَنِسَاءً وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي تَسَاءَلُونَ بِهِ وَالأَرْحَامَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا

وقال تعالى يَاأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَقُولُوا قَوْلا سَدِيدًا يُصْلِحْ لَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَمَنْ يُطِعِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ فَازَ فَوْزًا عَظِيمًا

فإن أَصْدَقُ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ تَعَالَى وَأَحْسَنُ الْهَدْيِ هَدْيُ مُحَمَّدٍ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَشَرُّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلُّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلُّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلالَةٌ وَكُلُّ ضَلالَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

أَمَّا بَعْدُ

All thanks and praise is due to Allah, we seek His help and forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah from the evil within ourselves and the consequences of our evil deeds. Whoever Allah guides will never be led astray, and whoever Allah leads astray will never find guidance. I bear witness there is no God but Allah, alone without any partners, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger.

Allah the Exalted said, “O you who have believed, fear Allah as He should be feared and do not die except as Muslims in submission to Him.” (3:102)

And the Exalted said, “O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Verily, Allah is ever watching over you.” (4:1)

And the Exalted said, “O you who have believed, fear Allah and speak words of appropriate justice. He will then amend for you your deeds and forgive your sins, and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly attained a great attainment.” (33:70-71)

Verily, the most truthful speech is the Book of Allah, the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad, and the worst affairs are newly invented matters. Every newly invented matter is a religious innovation, and every religious innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.

Salam Alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakahtuhu my brothers and sisters... Welcome to the straight path of Islam thread..

lordnicklaus:
@DeathStroke007. You are a clear representation of a Muslim, very aggressive! The word for God in Hebrew is Elohim, in Aramaic it is Elaha. You said you are hearing Marut for the first time, then you are not a true Muslim. I will show you a verse from your Quran:




"They followed what the Shayatin (devils)
gave out (falsely of the magic) in the
lifetime of Sulaiman (Solomon). Sulaiman
did not disbelieve, but the Shayatin
(devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic
and such things that came down at
Babylon to the two angels, Harut and
Marut, but neither of these two (angels)
taught anyone (such things) till they had
said, “We are only for trial, so disbelieve
not (by learning this magic from us).”
And from these (angels) people learn that
by which they cause separation between
man and his wife, but they could not thus
harm anyone except by Allah’s Leave.
And they learn that which harms them
and profits them not. And indeed they
knew that the buyers of it (magic) would
have no share in the Hereafter. And how
bad indeed was that for which they sold
their ownselves, if they but knew.
· And if they had believed, and guarded
themselves from evil and kept their duty
to Allah, far better would have been the
reward from their Lord, if they but knew!"
Quran (Surah Al-Baqara, Verses 102-103)

Muhammad never realised that the Babylonians actually worshipped a god named "[b]Marut[/b]uk"



I will show you some confusions in your Qur'an.

Nobody knows it all.. Av verified the harut and marut and you correct. ..BUT it has nothing to do with paganism. . They are jins. Very powerful jins and people take them for god. . Just like Jesus, because he raised Lazarus by power of Allah, people worship Jesus

Allah was revealing what has happened in the past to Prophet Muhammad. . The only way it can have root in islam is if we are worshipping the harut or marut..





#lol.. Show me your confusion in Quran and let me explain it to you

Pagan Christmas traditions

Yule festivities are a mixture of customs and beliefs going back many years before Jesus was born.

Saturnalia was a festival held between 17 and 24 December, which began in the days of the Roman Empire. This was a week of feasting, gift-giving and an excuse for an orgy during the Northern Hemisphere's winter solstice. The objective of the debauchery and dancing around (carol was to give the sun a nudge and send a message to Mother Earth to begin reproducing for the spring. This seemed to work quite well because sure enough, in spring things started growing again.

Which burns longer; a green candle or a red candle?

Neither. They both burn shorter!
The traditional Christmas colours of red and green, being complementary colours, represent male and female, fertility and incubation. Pagan decorations still seen around Christmas include the red berries and green leaves of holly, mistletoe and wreaths.

Chants

Songs in the form of chants, poems, and later as hymns, cantatas, anthems, oratorios or motets, are useful mnemonic methods.

Singing makes us feel hearty and that's why we sing; whether it's a chant or any other form. Singing helps us feel young and energetic, even if we're not very proficient. Singing helps relieve tension. Singing is therapeutic. Communal singing turns an audience into participants.

Chanting has never been restricted to Christianity – Pagans used it as part of their worship too. Like the word Glory, chants are not even restricted to religion. They are used by squads of jogging soldiers, team-sports players in training, supporters at a match, cheerleaders, political convention crowds, children singing the Alphabet song and reciting nursery rhymes (not unlike political convention crowds).

One particular type of Christian hymn is called a carol, which is sung at Christmas time; another custom with Pagan roots:

From Pagan bells to Church bells

A bell makes a sound – you probably knew that already. And that sound often has a profound meaning.

Even bells that are not rung may have great importance. For example, the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, USA, symbolises the nation's

18th century independence from Britain
19th century abolition of slavery
20th century Cold War icon of God Bless America.
The religious use of bells began in Paganism and has since been adopted by the Christian Church.

Church bells and their link to Paganism


Church bell at the Cathedral Church of Saint Matthew, Dallas, USA
(Photo by Sarum Blue, 2006)
Anyone who lives near a church with zealous bell ringers, who behave like latter-day Quasimodos, will know every Sunday morning that they make a bell-of-a-lot-of noise.

That's what bells are supposed to do; make a noise. They can even frighten grizzly bears.

In both secular use and religious use, bells are used to make an announcement.

Non-religious use includes

signalling when fire breaks out or some other calamity, or on buoys near rocks and shallow water;
in less enlightened times, victims of plaque and leprosy rang a bell to warn people to keep a good distance
announcing the time, such as waking you up for work.
Again!
In religion too, bells are used to announce the time. In Christianity the bell is rung to announce various important events, including:

the time to worship;
the impending consecration of the bread and wine;
the announcement of a wedding, funeral or remembrance service.
In Augusti's Antiquities of the Christian Church we read that bells ...

"...were unknown to the Hebrews, Greeks and Romans. Even if the tintinnabula of the Romans were bells, they were very inconsiderable in comparison with church-bells of later date. These were not in use earlier than the seventh century. The most probable opinion is that which ascribes the first introduction of them to Sabianus bishop of Rome, who succeeded Gregory the Great in the year 604.* In the seventh and eighth centuries they were in common use in the churches in France. Near the close of the ninth century the church of St. Sophia at Constantinople was furnished with bells.**"

* Polydorus Vergil. De invent, rer. lib. vi. c. 11: Centur. vi. c. 6: Hospinian. de orig. tempi, lib. ii. c. 26.
** Baron. Annales A. D. 865

Icon worship – idolatry and iconolatry

Even today, there are Crusading 'Christians' who kill people, sincerely believing they are doing God's work whilst ignoring a basic Commandment "Thou shalt not kill". Consequently it is not surprising that most Christians ignore another: "Thou shalt not make to thee any graven image". (Jewish and Islamic laws about murder and idolatry are almost identical to Christian laws.)

This prohibition of idolatry is usually interpreted with some flexibility. Eastern Orthodox churches display icons; Roman Catholic churches contain statues; the pope hired Michelangelo; Protestant churches hang drawings; and almost all churches have one or more crosses.

Since pre-Christian times we have wanted to see God. But we cannot physically see into a different dimension, so we erect effigies of what we think God looks like. Or rather, we erect effigies of what we want God to look like, and that entices us to worship the effigies as idols.

An idol can be something coveted, like a statue, a cross, a Bible, a stained-glass window. It can be a deep green, ecological perspective of the earth; not far removed from Nature Worship.

"Our spiritual peril is the new idolatry – the worship of the God of Bigness and the God of Speed." (Mcilyar H. Lichliter)
Consider the millions of pilgrims, who for decades have touched the spiritual grotto at Our Lady of Lourdes in southern France. And since many have physically and spiritually benefitted from the visit, it's hardly surprising that people revere the place.

However, there is a grave danger that we push God to the side by placing undue attention and importance on idols.

If idols have any supernatural power at all, it must be the power to trick us into believing that we are not really worshipping them. The most popular idol does exactly that: The "Idollar". Without being aware, we sacrifice our time and energy, our family and friends, to the Idollar. Eventually we might discover that the money god doesn't love us or even like us, but usually we are oblivious to Idollartry [sic] and carry on worshipping it.

Church buildings and Pagan temples

Early Christians worshipped in whatever place was suitable and available: an existing temple, a hillside, river bank, or even somebody's home. The Early Church was dynamic and lively; the actual building design and architecture was unimportant. But like many other things in life, man's urge to enhance and improve things led to more elaborate, 'holy' structures.

.......






Pagan worship, it would feel natural for a church building to have a sacred altar on which to place sacrifices.

And even though teaching and believing that 'God is all around us', from the early days it must have felt necessary and natural to have a central focal point to which everyone would turn and bow. For everyone to show reverence to this focal point would in itself, be a way for the congregation to pool and synergise their worship. The focal point would be either to the east even though west points to the same place on a globe; or elevated, believing that heaven was up there, somewhere.

Pagan clothing



How pope do dress is from paganism


Vestments and fancy garb do not make the wearer a priest.

They have always been little more than symbols of status; a tradition passed down through civilization, and added to along the way.

Look at the ecclesiastical finery sported by high churches – those that emphasize formality and resist modernisation.

Some feel such distinction in the church is inappropriate but the tradition continues.

Pagan crosses


The cross is a remarkable shape. Usually just two intersecting lines, the symbol is used in mathematics, shows where people should stop at international border checkpoints, and stops (some) people parking their cars at the roadside. It's a kiss at the bottom of a love letter and it's a vote for a politician. A death cross in financial terms means a situation where long-term and short-term averages converge. The cross is used extensively in black magic and in innumerable religions.

The Cross – an Emblem of Christianity explains how this simple symbol has evolved from its Pagan roots. We explain how it has caused as much grief as it has comforted. A torture instrument, a threat to entire civilizations, and yet used as jewellery and sometimes worshipped. It has associations with illegal psychedelic drugs, BSE and bird flu, Prince Harry, hatred and despair, love, valour and heroism, World War I, World War II, the Crusades, the invasion of Iraq (again), mythology, Satan, and salvation.

Fish symbol


Sometimes called the 'Jesus Fish' because of its link to the ancient Greek Ichthys. Currently vogue, the fish symbol is not as widely recognised as a Christian symbol. It means nothing to most people and largely known only 'in-house'.

The fish is an ancient symbol used by other religions, such as Buddhism and Paganism. Our fish symbol page shows how Christians have hooked onto this symbol.

Calendars


The names of our Days, Months and Seasons come from the heavens
Our way of measuring time (see hours, minutes and seconds) is based on an early Babylonian system, and our modern calendar is based on Pagan practices, astrology and mythology.

But whether we consider ourselves religious or not, we do not think of the calendar as a religious thing; it's merely a means to measure time, using things called days and months.

If someone believes a particular date (Easter, for example) has some mystical power, it is the value that person has placed on it. The same goes for the Bible, the cross, and all the other items adopted by Christians that have a Pagan origin.

Blessing

a Pagan concept?

As a collective noun for a mythical and mystical beast, we say "a blessing of unicorns". The word may well originate from Paganism and is truly mystical, yet often it is devalued.

Holiness

The word 'holy' may have been derived from the Old English hālig, which means 'wholeness', or the Old High German hulis, meaning 'holly', which was considered a sacred plant to Pagans.

The Origin of the Symbols

In his 1878 Essay on the Development of the Christian Doctrine John H. Newman wrote:

"The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the east, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church."

The Church

Many of today's customs used in the Church can be traced back to the 4th century, when Constantine permitted the process of converting the official religion of the Roman Empire from Paganism to Christianity.




Christianity

Even the word 'Christian' was coined by Pagans.

Crosses
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Fish <><
Candles
Wreaths
Crown of
Thorns
Icons
Churches
Processions
Vestments
Tonsure
Holy Days
Easter
Christmas
Days, Months,
Seasons
Rokuyo
Calendar
St. Valentine's
Day
Wedding Day
Wedding Dress
& Veil
Wedding
Rings
Kissing
Good luck!
Astrology
Superstition
Biorhythms
The Bible
Hymns &
Carols
Incense
Bells &
bell ringing
Healing
Prayer
Silence
Amen
Holiness
Forgiveness
Blessing
Glory

Pagan items adopted by Christianity

Temples and robes, crosses and chants, form an important part of Christian worship, yet their origins are far from Christianity

politricks:
I guess you quoted the wrong person.

Sorry jare..

lordnicklaus:
Islam as we know it isn't actually a religion based on its own self, it is a combination of religions mostly pagan. The only true religions that Islam seemed to have borrowed from are Judaism and ancient Christianity. There were already existing Arabic translations of the Bible and it is possible that Muhammad's followers copied from them so as to make it seem that the Qur'an came to correct the Bible which is impossible. Other religions that Islam borrowed from were Zoroastrianism, Quraishic paganism, Babylonian/Assyrian/Sumerian worship of heavenly bodies and planets, Baal worship of the Canaanites and Nabateans. Below are some of the proofs of Islam being Pagan in origin:

1. Ablution: This concept was borrowed from Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism is a religion that believes in two concepts: The concept of light (Personated by Ahura Mazda) and darkness (Personated by Ahriman).

Zoroaster (Zahrusthra) taught his followers that ablution was necessary to cleanse them from impurities. Islam clearly borrowed from this religion.


2. The symbol of the crescent moon and the star and the name Allah: This symbol originates with the god "Sin" an Assyrian god. His symbol was the crescent moon as he was the god of the weather and the moon. "Sin" was passed unto different religions and bore different names. He is the same as the Biblical "Baal" god of the Canaanites, whose prophets, Elijah (Eliyahu in Hebrew) fought against. He is also the same as the Babylonian god "Bel" who is also called "Marduk" or "Merodach" the chief god riding a dragon called "Tamtu." The Nabatean Arabs borrowed him from the Moabites and Canaanites and called him "Hubal" which the Quraish also borrowed. Muhammad might have also worshipped "Hubal" before the advent of Christianity into Arabia. Suprisingly, Hubal's worshippers chanted "hubalu akbar." His daughters were the stars. His daughters included Allat, Al-Uzzat and Manat. Muslims claim that the name "Allah" came very much later whereas the name of Muhammad's father was "Abd-Allah" meaning "Allah's servant" and he died before Islam was revealed, so if he had the name "Allah" in his name, why do Muslims claim that the name came later during the Revelation of Islam? If "Allah" was existing even before Islam, who was He? The Quraish gave Hubal the title "Al ilaha" meaning "the God" so the title "Allah" is not new to Islam and "Allah" is not a name but a title meaning "the God" so any "god" can be called "Allah." So the crescent symbol represents Allah (i.e Hubal) and the star represents his daughter "Allat."


3. The kissing of the black stone in Mecca: The black stone in Mecca (Makkah) represented one of Hubal's daughters called "Manat." The pagans of Quraish used to kiss the stone even before the advent of Islam. The Muslims still kiss the stone.


4. The doctrine of the existence of Jinns: The belief in "Jinns" or "Genies" did not originate with Islam. The Babylonians believed in Jinns as the servants of the chief god Bel (Hubal). The Jinns were synonymous to "angels" in Babylonian/Assyrian religion. This is to show that Islam is a religion of myths and superstitions.


5. Islam believes in an angel called "Marut": Islam believes in an angel called "Marut." This is not suprising as "Marut" is actually the same as "Marutuk" which is the Akkadian version of "Marduk" or "Merodach" the chief god of Babylon. Wake up Muslims, Marut is not an angel but a demon.



More posts are coming soon......

Concerning the name Allah... Check Hebrew language, Aramaic and Arabic. ...



And the pagan god which existed is baal not Allah. .



Fool

lordnicklaus:
Islam as we know it isn't actually a religion based on its own self, it is a combination of religions mostly pagan. The only true religions that Islam seemed to have borrowed from are Judaism and ancient Christianity. There were already existing Arabic translations of the Bible and it is possible that Muhammad's followers copied from them so as to make it seem that the Qur'an came to correct the Bible which is impossible. Other religions that Islam borrowed from were Zoroastrianism, Quraishic paganism, Babylonian/Assyrian/Sumerian worship of heavenly bodies and planets, Baal worship of the Canaanites and Nabateans. Below are some of the proofs of Islam being Pagan in origin:

1. Ablution: This concept was borrowed from Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism is a religion that believes in two concepts: The concept of light (Personated by Ahura Mazda) and darkness (Personated by Ahriman).

Zoroaster (Zahrusthra) taught his followers that ablution was necessary to cleanse them from impurities. Islam clearly borrowed from this religion.


2. The symbol of the crescent moon and the star and the name Allah: This symbol originates with the god "Sin" an Assyrian god. His symbol was the crescent moon as he was the god of the weather and the moon. "Sin" was passed unto different religions and bore different names. He is the same as the Biblical "Baal" god of the Canaanites, whose prophets, Elijah (Eliyahu in Hebrew) fought against. He is also the same as the Babylonian god "Bel" who is also called "Marduk" or "Merodach" the chief god riding a dragon called "Tamtu." The Nabatean Arabs borrowed him from the Moabites and Canaanites and called him "Hubal" which the Quraish also borrowed. Muhammad might have also worshipped "Hubal" before the advent of Christianity into Arabia. Suprisingly, Hubal's worshippers chanted "hubalu akbar." His daughters were the stars. His daughters included Allat, Al-Uzzat and Manat. Muslims claim that the name "Allah" came very much later whereas the name of Muhammad's father was "Abd-Allah" meaning "Allah's servant" and he died before Islam was revealed, so if he had the name "Allah" in his name, why do Muslims claim that the name came later during the Revelation of Islam? If "Allah" was existing even before Islam, who was He? The Quraish gave Hubal the title "Al ilaha" meaning "the God" so the title "Allah" is not new to Islam and "Allah" is not a name but a title meaning "the God" so any "god" can be called "Allah." So the crescent symbol represents Allah (i.e Hubal) and the star represents his daughter "Allat."


3. The kissing of the black stone in Mecca: The black stone in Mecca (Makkah) represented one of Hubal's daughters called "Manat." The pagans of Quraish used to kiss the stone even before the advent of Islam. The Muslims still kiss the stone.


4. The doctrine of the existence of Jinns: The belief in "Jinns" or "Genies" did not originate with Islam. The Babylonians believed in Jinns as the servants of the chief god Bel (Hubal). The Jinns were synonymous to "angels" in Babylonian/Assyrian religion. This is to show that Islam is a religion of myths and superstitions.


5. Islam believes in an angel called "Marut": Islam believes in an angel called "Marut." This is not suprising as "Marut" is actually the same as "Marutuk" which is the Akkadian version of "Marduk" or "Merodach" the chief god of Babylon. Wake up Muslims, Marut is not an angel but a demon.



More posts are coming soon......

Am a Muslim and am just hearing maurat for the first time.. . Na lie go kill una Christians.. #laughing