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MuttleyLaff:
Moses had his wife Zipporah, sent back to Jethro, his father in law,
so I dont think its something new or weird.
You'll be waiting a long time as that is not going to happen

I have not thought about it so but still i really do not understand this policy of ce. I am wondering what gave reason for working this out? Rev Anita moving to England in the name of expanding the ministry?!
Concerning her diary you never do not know.

Fit2Rule:
I'm still thinking there are more dirty things she's keeping

Thanks for pointing it out. I am already expecting her biography or diary to read that will opens all the secrets.

As a former member of CE who has gone through foundation school, a serious BLW worker while in school, also baptised in CE and held senior positions in my satellite church here are some truths I experienced there:

Right from inception, as a satellite church pastor if you are single you MUST ONLY marry another satellite church pastor or a Senior church worker working full time in the church office of the state headquarters branch and the marriage must be approved by State pastor.
once you are a married pastor of a satellite church in CE then your other half MUST pastor another satellite church. It is very rare to see husband and wife pastors worshipping in same church. Including all CEC members they are separated from their other half by countries.

Years ago my pastor told me that different pastors in CE have been coming to marry Sinach but pastor Chris refused he stated then that Chris was holding her back from marrying. i was shocked he finally accepted. Though I must admit it's not only her incl. males all those who work closely with him. if they want to marry it's very difficult for him to accept. I love Sinach so much and am not saying they did anything o.
I have been in front of white house inside the compound it's a parking lot were LCC 3 (CE headquarter)workers park there cars. Female workers as well as male go there but you must be personally close to Chris to have that access.

I personally saw many unbelievable deceit happening in healing school that you will never know while watching on TV. so I left

To an extent I believe a lot been written here about Anita's story and I feel so sorry for her. My pastor told me she is the door to all international churches. Lastly no satellite church pastor is paid a dime apart from state pastors and church workers. All monies go to Lagos.

This is the rules in ce i do not understand. Why wife and husband should worship in different churches It is weird.

Gombs:
This testimony should be archived. It's one of many testimonies I've read and heard recently about the impact of ROR in the lives of many.

Ma'am, may God continue to bless you as you impact the world with the gospel of Christ. Amen

Thank you!

vooks:
Winsomex,
There is an old thread here on ROR. The question was whether the publication is fraudulent. And as usual, Joagbaje attempted a lame defense of it.
https://www.nairaland.com/860680/rhapsody-realities-really-scam

I ran into a lady who supplied me with the devotional and she was disillusioned.
Like MLMs the ones committing to distributing the most and the ones who actually did were feted. The lady ended up with dozens of the diols she had bought but could not find anybody too give. That surprised me because we have always bought them from her. Said that like Jehovah witnesses,they are supposed to 'distribute' and if possible sell them. Her terms were quite flexible, you could even pay after 3 months. The cash is remitted back to the church. Members contribute towards publishing. Then they buy the devotionals. And finally SOME consumers buy them

Anyway, the church budget shot through the roof and they were called upon to 'commit'. The figures were astronomical and the congregation revolted. Then the pastor had a birthday. And like Oyaks, they were pushed to PAY him for growing old. she could not handle it anymore, she left.

All cults add works to grace as salvation formula. SDAs have so much elevated the sabbath that breaking it is the mark of the Beast. The added works are used to subdue members, to control them. You are always in danger for breaching these, in danger of hellfire. CEC is one place 'giving' is idolized. No wonder Jeff told SirJohn he caught a virus because of failure to offer first fruits. Sadly, unlike other sects which go out of their way to document their doctrines, you won't run into any literature on the subject. These are basically unwritten rules but are firmly in place.

As you research, consider how much of doctrine and mandatory practices are seldom documented nowhere

Cc deborah777

Cc to me? Why? Yes i have organized ror translation team in my country and get payed for this. Thru that work one lady got her dream job and made away very hard exam to become court translator in my country. When i had not started with that i might be dead because my break up was so painful and ror helped to get my thoughtsto somewhere, it gave me new hope....

livebullet:
Pentecostal fundamentalism with a blend of Jim jonism(read bout people's temple).... U will understand better

Ok....i have seen one clip in youtube where is jim jones compared with christ embassy.it was weird clip. Could thing be really so serious?

Orunto:
What is NAR? THE LORD WATCHES OVER THE WAYS OF "THERIGHTEOUS" BUT THE WAYS OF THE WICKED SHALL PERISH. "Christianity" means "The Righteous". The Opposite is "The Selfish" which when you apply the English numeric values of 6 for A to 156 for Z, you get 666 exactly the number of the BEAST. At Creation, we all were made separately different from God and Selfish with different wants and values. But God waited from that time until He sent Jesus that whoever believes in Him SHALL NOT PERISH LIKE THE WICKED, THE SELFISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE RESERVED ONLY FOR THE RIGHTEOUS, CHRISTIANITY. THEREFORE THE LORD WATCHES OVER THE RIGHTEOUS, COVERS ALL CHRISTIANS FROM ST. PETER TO ADEBOYE, OYAKILOME, POPE IN ROME, I, THAT I AM WRITING etc, and with His Prayers in St. John Gospel17. So Christ Ambassador belongs to THERIGHTEOUS!!!! QED!!!!

NAR is new apostolic reformation movement which says that God is restoring the office of apostle and prophet.In Nigeria apostle Emmanuel Kure is representantive of that movement.

HooxJnr:
Neo- pentecostal church

And what made you think that way? I am just curious.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont think you will get a satisfactory or convincing answer, as Christ Embassy Church has nothing official about what "christian movement" it is.
Important to be aware that, Christ Embassy Church cannot be pinned down mainly or solely to a particular "christian movement"

Christ Embassy Church cant be that easily categorised into a single "christian movement"

It is more a case of, who the cap fits, let them wear it
so, whatever Christ Embassy Church looks like, so it will be.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's safe to conclude, a duck, it must be then.

Thanx for your answer. Yes it seems to be mix of pentecostalism, word of faith and traditional stuff with that choir stuff.

okosodo post=:
Swaggalicious group

And this word Swaggalicious means?

MuttleyLaff:
It is OK, if you do not remember because it was a long time ago
Just wanted to have an idea of what exactly in Greek you were taught, and especially since you learned the Greek from a seminary
Please do not let your Greek talent lie fallow, because the phrase "a skill not used, is a skill lost", rings true.


The bolded above, "all depends on translator choice what he or she thinks is better" which you shared is actually true in more ways than one, and so very interesting.

The translator's struggle with exact word translations is a well know thing everyone is aware of
and it is different to what my curiosity is mainly about.
I am, more curious, to know about OTHER things on and about Greek taught in the seminary.

Wanted to know whether in the seminary, you were taught that the words or wordings in ancient Greeks writings had no spaces between them, they initially did not have punctuations and were all, always in capital cases

Yes i know that in original text there is no titles for example. Not sure in this what you said about punctuation or spaces. I just studied bit grammatics of the ancient greek and in seminary we read nt in greek and tried to translate it.

Into what christian movement belongs christ embassy church? Anyone has an idea?
I ask this question for understanding more about that nigerian movement. I know that it began in some campus then in mean while rev anita decided to expand it and moved to UK and then in 2001 was started ror publishing.
But theologically into what movement it belongs? That i had wondered for two years as for personal research i first found out that it is not related with NAR movement as there is no specific evidences of the movement. So whats else?

MuttleyLaff:
What was in the syllabus?
How beneficial has your exposure to Greek been to you.
Are you able to share a few examples of the benefits gained from learning Greek language?

Well i do not remember, it was long time ago. What it teached to me was what i already said that in greek words can be different meanings and in english it all depends on translator choice what he or she thinks is better word to express the greek meaning of the word.

Gombs post=:
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Isn't it funny how these allegations sound? These were mere allegations by those who have never heard pastor Chris preach. But down the line, Pastor Chris kept going up... And they, down.

Well this teaching that in NT we should not obey or something i have heard myself somewhere from dvd of Ps.Chris. Yes crossman9 seemed bit paranoid when i talked personally but he is done good job for those ppl like who have not heard all ce material and wants to know background information of what ps Chris really teaches.

Hi crossman9, thanx for raising the topic. This is one thing that had bothered me most concerning ce when i heard of them and started search about them.

Gombs post=:
Forget what folks post here, CE has no hidden doctrine...

Well in ce there seems to be hidden teachings taught by the mog ps Chris. One guy crossman9 i think listed most of it. What i remember from it there is something about obeying, that isaac is not abraham promised son, thst there is no mediation in NT and then this masburation topic that borders me most......there was more but i do not remember all.
In ce faith ststement everything is fine but in hidden there is lot of strange teachings or redefinements like winsomeX says.

MuttleyLaff:
It's good to know we have a confessed Greek aficionado in the building
Sorry for digressing a bit
but this temporary departure might be a blessing in disguise that could slay the proverbial dragon and a thousand or more demons
It can put a lot of believers to shame for their hypocrisies, obstinacies, legalisms, religion practices and rigid attitudes.

deborah777, what is there to know about GREEK, what can you share with us about Greek
How did the ancient Greek write texts
What should we be aware of concerning these text written, ancient or otherwise
However you're led in the spirit, please give us brief explanations on how Greek translating or translation evolved
if you dont mind, please share your knowledge so we all can learn from it and know how to have an edge too.

i studied the 1st greek language five years ago in seminary and i have not practized it much recently. right now i can say only that in greek the words are very meaningful ie they can have different meanings.

Gombs:
Wow...a nice story you've got here. I am inspired. However, i cannot understand the last part of your sentence....mind explaining?How much is too much? My story is still coming up....what language do you want to translate to...i am so interested in this

All those things needed to do in church and related to that: webmastering,fb page, ror translation reviewing,ror mailing, services in church to help my team member who is younger in christ than me - i am thinking of continuing the translation of foundational school material in future maybe. I have secular job too and hobbies etc. At least in may cordinator will be back hopefully and then again i have to try to teach him to do some stuff.
If i translate i translate only those stories partly who have come out from ce into my mother language maybe but i am not sure yet if it matters as here is now so called members very few, in the first year was one committed visitor and me now there is four ppl and me.

Cuote author=Gombs wrote=] Are you in Germany as of now or Nigeria[/quote]Nope i am in other country not in Germany or Nigeria what i do not wish to say publically. I have visited several times Germany as i am partly far away german from my mother side.

Gombs wrote=:
I may not completely understand what you mean by 'Pastor Centered' ministry, but I know God has always led his folks by one man, or Shepherd and flock. Read all through the NT and OT.
Ephesians 4:11-14 DOES NOT in any way negate what you're trying to say it does. It is very possible to function in these diverse offices. Paul was a pastor, a teacher, an Apostles, an evangelist. Timothy was a pastor and an evangelist. It would be error to think God only wants us to function in one.

Pastor centered ministry or church is this kind of church or ministry where office of pastor is layed above everything else. CE is typical pastor centered ministry.

Gombs wrote=:
You're a bit wrong here. You have to have a local assembly where you can function. You must have a spiritual head as Paul wrote and taught. You can build the body of Christ from where you are, if you function by the Spirit.
You're a ROR translator too? My goodness? You mail RORs? You're already doing much as it were. You're changing lives by what you do. Be faithful and diligent, and you will go places.

Well it is complicated to explain to you about it. Basically yes in general church is important and i have it now this other church in america because person with prophetic calling can not function perfectly under pastoral gift as pastor is not designed for being over prophetic ppl in apostolical way but needs apostolic covering to get into fullness.
I have been in pastoral church and i know how it hinders prophetic development. After i got aligned with that american apostolic church.
I went to CE in nov 2013 to check it out what it is without planning to become member and then later they offered thst if someone wants to translate ror and i decided to try it. and then when i went to Bremen to check out Ps Stanley I had learned that my boyfriend is engaged with someone else. I was shocked as it had been long term friendship. So later i founded a team so that one translates and other reads thru before sending away final version.
As here in my country have fans of ror in all around country so every month it goes out and also ror goes into prison too here. and yes it is exciting to listen when i hear stories from countryside ppl how ror had gone hand by hand. But still it is beginning to getting too much.

nannymcphee:
Well I can't be of help then, firstly it's not wise to wash dirty linens in public

One thing I can say is this, if you are focused on God & his word while there, you will grow, I said this because you will see a lot of things that will distract & discourage you.

if you are fortunate to have a good leader, then your growth will be fast but if not, sorry for you

I was blessed to have a good leader, taught me how to listen to messages, taught me how to pray, how to give, how to go for evangelism etc

Thanx for your comment nannymcphee! Well i had been 11 y in christ and 4 y biblically apostolically aligned when i started to help them in my town because i had desire to make something for in my own city too not only watch webcast of my apostolic church called Glory of Zion Int and to try some stuff.
Yes good leader are nice, i think Ps Stanley is good leader he is like Germany Ps Chris. But for me first it is important that leader is aligned apostolicalky under present day apostolic leader ie person functioning in apostolic office or not. Leader can be good but if he or she does no have apostolic alignment or rather to say apostolic covering over him or her then it is not good. Leader only does teach how to pray,give and make evangelism and how to the good christian and follower but to help believer find their own calling in Lord and help them to mature in it as it is said in Eph 4:11-12 that fivefold ministry ie team of five offices are there to equip the saints for ministry.And this can only happen properly under apostolicalky alignment and in team work as Eph 4:11-14 suggest.

Gombs:
I didn't too!

Ok! Do you want to share your story of how you ended in ce?

nannymcphee:
Herein lies my problem with you!! How do you know I haven't helped people who are struggling?
Should I come here to blow my trumpet? I was addressing only Gombs & no one else when I mentioned the award
only Gombs & any CE member will understand the award thing, but Gombs especially cos we have a history
I don't want to use insulting words, hope u saw where I wrote it that I didn't attend the ceremony & that i'm at the verge of leaving the church!

If I was boasting, why didn't I attend the ceremony?

Do me a Favour & go thru all my post, you'll understand where am coming from, until then don't comment, just observe

Well yes nannymcphee i can guess what is award event. i have seen twice this Award event when they award best givers and other most successful ppl of last years once via web and once in person.. And when i have been there watching it i have got reminded of passage in Matt 6:2-6 and i have wondered from christian afterlife aspect whst type of reward gets person in the heaven who had gotten his or her rewards for his or her good work already in this life. Does Christ can say still you are faithful servant go to this and that.

Gombs:
I can recommend some nairalanders

SirJohn
Kenya28
Lobeez
Nannymcphee (not an ex sha, but on the verge)

These 4 plus you, can start a blog and find your ilks. I recommend Drummaboy aka WinsomeX, he is (or was) a blogger, though not on the shiny side, he can put you guys through. Good luck.

Thank you! It is good to know.

logicman:
igat alot to say about the church i will be backsoon

Great! I am waiting

seedgreen:
We all didn't too,,,,
It just happened.....

Maybe really. I have been in that mind that things does not just happen that it depends person choices etc.

WinsomeX:
Thank you Ma'am.

This thread is not on tongues. I usually do not debate tongues. My position against CE being a cult is not bc they speak in tongues. A lot of churches do speak in tongues and remain sound churches in my estimation. Nonetheless, I will accommodate your response here.

Before you can tell whether tongues are valid or not, you need to find out what the bible means by "tongues". KJV translated the word "languages" as "tongues". So everywhere you hear people spoke in tongues in the bible, they spoke languages. These were supernatural occurrences that happened as the Spirit enabled people to speak languages they never learned. If you understand this, the scriptures you enumerated will take on a new light:
Now those who claim to have this experience, how much of these "languages" have they interpreted? As long as whatever you speak has no interpretation, you are not speaking in tongued; rather you speak gibberish. This is the reason Paul counselled the Corinthians to seek to interpret whatever tongues they spoke.
Tongues is not a vital evidence for baptism in the Spirit. Holy living is. For that is the fruit of the Spirit.

Thank you. . First KJV bible for me whom english is not mother language is bit complicated with its ancient english. But as i have learned first century greek in seminary some years ago i checked it out from greek and for tongues is used glossa and for speaking kjv divers used genos and for intepretation hermeneia which is interesting itself.and the phenomen of speaking in tongues is called in science i think glossalia.
It is not needed intepretation always.
Anyway i do not know from which christian movement you are but yes it is interesting to read your comments. When i read your answer to this other guy just this former wof reacted in me -i started my christian journey as born again from independant full gospel church who teached some wof stuff also- and so i commented. In past when i was in that church i thought that those ppl who do not speak in tongues are not real christian or something like it. Right now when i have been out from that particular church for 8 years i do not think in such way anymore.

WinsomeX:
Incidentally, when scripture speak of people "tonguing", it was more concerned with "speaking" and not "praying". Praying in tongues, if I'm not, is mentioned only in 1Cor14. Others spoke of people "speaking" and not necessarily "praying". Unfortunately all we hear today is people praying. Where is speaking, except for the fact that what thru are doing is not biblical.
Again, I usually do not debate tongues bc I think Pentecostals are still OK. As long as they have not plunged into the false gospel of Word of Faith.

Vooks, my biggest ally on this thread, is Pentecostal. I respect his conviction. I think the first step to the false doctrine of WoF is Pentecostalism. Vooks disagrees. In all we agree to disagree. There is a greater enemy out there.

Every prayer in the bible was intelligible. If you pray in tongues, do not go on forever without finding out what you're saying.

Pentacostalism and WoF is two different christian movements. Like also charismatic and neo charismatic or NAR movement are different from each other.

Gombs:
Hello ma'am. Any luck with your blog, finding? I think you should start one...i recommended that months ago. Winsomex and some of his band will help you with the ground work.

Best of luck.

Not yet found any blog of ex member. But had been talking with one ex member of ce from ce hannover germany - the branch of ce i am helping in my country is related with ce germany. She had told me interesting stuff. And honestly personally it is sad to admit that i am failed again with keeping promise i gave to myself in past not to help in pastor centered ministry as i considered it over for me as unbiblical stuff based upon biblical church model descescribed in Eph 4:11-14.
And yes winsomeX stuff is thoughtful. I have thought to use his material first bit maybe translate them if needed but i will ask his permission first.
I need to pray about it- what Lord is saying and also how to leave from my country branch less painfully to all parts because my pursue is to keep peace anbd harmony. Why i am thinking of leaving is that, first i know that my call is not to remain stucked under one certain place or church but but build the body of Christ widely and second it is bit hard to make it from my secular job. But yes i chosed to help them after breaking up with my friend more than one year ago. I just wanted to try how it is to be translator and sort of secretary - i do not know right word in english, basically try to do administrative things in church like helping to mail rors, help in webmastering, opening the church door etc. It had been nice challenge but bc ce is with quesonable hidden doctrine church and i am not sure in dogma of hell anymore, i do not want to promote it in my country much anymore. Yes i am still there but i try to be hidden as much as possible until i am here.
Gladly i have still maintained my apostolic alignment with my apostolic church in Corinth TX called Glory of Zion Int- in Nigeria the representantive of that church is apostle Emmanuel Kure and i am following by web bc in my own country does not have strong apostolic church and i am tired of non mature church leaders - so it is good to follow them and be apostolically aligned and try find my way out from ce.

WinsomeX:
deborah777

I see your PM. I don't have access to the email for this monicker anymore. Please post your message here.

Thankss.

I was just thinking when i read your posts about ce as cult that is it allowed to translate them into my own language if needed or post them separately in blog? I have tried to find blogs of ce ex members but there is no blog on it. Only your research and one other guy material i have who is against Ps Chris. I started to help in ce church in my town 2013 nov and all this time i have tried to understand what kind or type is ce as i have been related more than 5 years with movwment called new apostolic reformation movement and i gave to myself promise after being committed member of NAR church via web that i do not help in anywhere which is pastor centered ministry because it is out of focus and not biblical. I believe in apostolic alignment and in fivefold ministry today that in churches have to be offices of apostles and prophets.
So far it seems to be that ce is just this pastor centered ministry which is not aligned with some present day apostle and instead Ps Chris is believed to function in all five office the Eph 4:11 talks about. That said to me ce bremen pastor when i was in beginning of finding out about movement ce belongs and this answers seemed to me bit weird because theologically only Jesus Himself is believed to function in all those five gifts. Like Ps Chris is taken into place of Christ.
Somewhere said that ce is WOF which is taken into extreme and it might be right.
Anyway your thesis on wof is good reading and helps me too recognize the faults of ce.

WinsomeX:
What I can prove is what I have information on. I cannot prove that Satan is the custodian of CE.

I had long suspected that CE is a cult but I had no information until vooks provided the online book. That's we are discussing at the moment.

Can you prove Satan is the custodian of CE?

Where this online book is found,winsomeX? I would like to read it.

WinsomeX,

Enough i honor how you have researched info about ce to expose it in this matter i can not agree with you.
In the books of Acts is four examples of disciples of Jesus speaking in tongues both prayer language and understandablely to the people in upper room in Acts 2:1-21.
But lets go bit before. In Mark 16:17 Jesus said that believers are followed by those signs: they cast out devils in my name, talk in news tongues.
In Luke 24:49 Jesus commanded disciples to stay in Jerusalem until they are builded up with power from above what they did in Acts 1 until in Acts 2:3 they got baptised by Holy Spirit. And then there was thast sign of tongues what God let to happen.
But it happened also in Acts 8:14-17 and also in Acts 10:44 where gentiles got baptised and in Acts 19:1-6 when disciples got revelation of Holy Spirit and later baptised by Holy Chost with evidence of speaking of tongues. From all the passages can see that all disciples got baptised so it means that in this time all who is born again can expect the gift of baptism of Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues into their life. It was Father's promise to disciples at that time and is Father's promise for now to everyone who is born again. It is vital experience for every believer as Acts 1:8 says.

Praying for person by laying hands on that person is normal practice in christian circles not only in ce and it is based upon those passages in Bible where we can see that disciples prayed for people by laying their hands on them. But baptism of Holy Spirit do not have happen only by someone laying their hands on you. It can happen everywhere. I for example got baptised in street privately by Him.
And Apostle Paul makes in his first letter to Corinth clear difference btw message given in tongues and praying in tongues for edifying himself for example in 1 Cor 12: 4-11,v10 and v 28,30 and about edifying thru praying in tongues Paul talks in 1Cor 14:2-4.
So it is biblical to pray in tongues for edifying himself or herself. And there is also gift of giving message in tongues in the front of the church.

WinsomeX:
Joagbaje,-

In your rush to put that person in his place, you missed the point he was trying to make. His point was not the validity of tongues, his point was the falsehood behind the CE. He mentioned tongues as an example. You will notice that I have also not enumerated tongues as a reason why CE is a cult.

But even at that, you yourself agree that the method of teaching people how to speak with tongues is wrong. And you must agree that this practice is very common in your church; it will be wrong of you to fain ignorance of it here.

Lastly, the distinction BTW speaking and praying in tongues is not true. The bible talks of only one type of tongues, a language that can be understood. This tongues you practice where you just speak or pray with no understanding of what you are saying has no foundation in scriptures. The man you quoted is right after all, despite not being that knowledgeable in scriptures.

That said. I hope you can find time to respond to the real issues raised on the thread. The things that make your church s cult.

Gombs:
I didn't understand your post ma'am.

Sorry i just tried to quote from my head one paragraph what i had read from Now you want to marry -book what is used in ce for marriage counselling. Basically i meant this from page 8 under title specific cases-when both persons are committed in different churches: "Both parties MUST eventually end up in one Church. It is also an illusion to plan to continue attending different churches. You cannot support yourselves spiritually this way and it also limits the level you can get to in such respective churches. There is no hard and fast rule that the couple should end up in the man’s Church but this is usually the case, sothe lady must ensure she is comfortable in the man’s Church."

in that same title it is say also: "Sharp or opposite doctrinal differences may eventually divide a home.Initially when the euphoria or novelty of love is still fresh, these things would appear to both parties as unimportant. This is an illusion as when they finally settle down to living, there would be constant conflicts." and "When both parties also have not been exposed to the same set ofdoctrines, there would need to be a time for ‘catching up’ by one party.This would result in a delay with respect to making spiritual progress when compared with another couple who also started at the same time but were previously exposed to the same set of doctrines."
In generally i agree with those paragraphs from that book because really every church have different beliefs and it have to make sure before getting married. Maybe even Rev Anita did not knew at beginning what his "lovely" husband believes until now when she decided for divorce.

And it ends "The best thing to do in these instances is to submit to the advice of the leadership of your Church. It is very wrong to go against the Pastor’s advice in the place where you are fed the Word of God and are seeing evident fruit of that Word in your life (Hebrews 13:7, 17). God’s dealings with individuals are also different and what is OK for one person might not be appropriate for another. Also at a higher level of commitment, some things are not the best for you. This is where the Pastor (or his delegated authority) comes in.He hears from God and can help set you in the right path for your life."
With this paragraph there is some things, i can not agree bit. Yes I can agree that it might be good to talk with spiritual leader who is above you -like to listen his oponion on this case. But I can not agree with that what it seems saying like I personally can not be able to listen from God (which is against word of God for exampe Rom 8:16 all who spirit of God leads are children of God) and must to obey the guidance the pastor gets from God if i want to be in line with him. Because there is always a option that pastor might make mistake in his listening from God and if person is trustful towards the pastor he or she may loose his or her mate and his or her happiness.
It proves the cases i have read before from web about ce members who literally had left their church and married somewhere else because their leaders in ce had not agreed with their marriage.

anyway you can download the book on your own from this blog https://timothyblogs./2014/02/13/a-marriage-guide-from-christ-embassy/ or just put into google christ embassy marriage counselling.

Gombs:
You had to twist my intentions, no?. Nothing is wrong as a believer, in RCCG marrying CEC, or CEC marrying Winners, RCCG or Catholic or JW or even Muslims.

I said it is not encouraged, I did not say "CEC actively discourages" it. It is unfair to clamp it on CE as a flaw, most (if not all) churches do not encourage marrying outside, because of doctrines, majorly.

This is my last on this. Stop derailing this thread, if you want to discuss marriage further, open a thread and call me in.

As much i have checked out CE book Now you want to marry-foundable via googleing- it says concerning choosing partner from different churches that finally it is needed to decide which church couple wants to remain which is compareble with other churches understanding about marriage as far as i know.