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frosbel: Appears you are getting more confused :

Satan said :

"If you be the Son of God, cast yourself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning you: "

This clearly is referring to 2 separate people , i.e :

1. Jesus the Son of GOD
2. He ( GOD himself the Father.

If you miss this , no wonder you have missed the bigger picture, more like reading your bias into scripture as opposed to being a good student of the word.

frosbel: So who was SATAN referring to when he said :

"He shall give his angels charge concerning you"

Who is the HE ?

frosbel: I will leave Satan and his demons to educate you .

"Then the devil takes him up into the holy city, and sets him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6And said to him, If you be the Son of God, cast yourself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning you: .... 7[b]Jesus said[/b] to him, It is written again, You shall not tempt the Lord your God. - Matthew 4:5-7

"What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" - Matthew 8:29

truthislight: Did you read this thread from the start ?

Most of your questions have been addressed already.



"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6).

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).
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First and the last also means alpha and omega.

Jesus being first and the last is about his being the first to be raised by Yahweh personally to immortal life in heaven and the last to be raised from the dead by Yahweh personally.

All other resurrection of persons will be done by Jesus.

His own first and the last is different from that of Yahweh.


You quoted (Revelation 22:12-13).

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:12-13).
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You just quote two verses without insight.
Let me show you all:

"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God(Yahweh) of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be; "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
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But for the fact that the name Yahweh was removed to confused you you would have notice that two persons are sending their "angels".

Note that and compare with this below:
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"[color=#000000]I Jesus have sent my angel [/color][/color]to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:" (Revelation 22:16-18).
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1. Did you see the difference between this and the quote from verse 6 ? (alpha and Omega)
2. Did you see alpha and Omega in this one talking about Jesus ? No.

You have to cool down and study your bible and not follow tradition.

Revelation is talking about Yahweh and Jesus.

Yahweh is the alpha and Omega.
Peace

ijawkid: Answer the questions and stop this JW charade.....we want to be 100 percent sure the holy spirit is a person.....for the fact the holy spirit has no name shows it isn't person.........

Chikena...!!!!!

And take note Jesus' Judgement would be as God has told him to......so When Jesus comes to judge all those who have equated him with his God and Father get ready to answer some questions.......

ijawkid: And Yes lying to the leading of Gods spirit is lying to GOd..I thought this scripture was formally used by u guys to say the holy spirit was called God............

And from the bolded can you tell me how satan filled the heart of ananias and sapphira??.......

ijawkid: Just as nigeria is called a she and that makes nigeria a person or a girl....

You've done well to quote a whole lot of scriptures....

1..But quietly just tell us the name of this spirit person called the holy spirit......
2..Tell us where the holy spirit is in heaven...why can't we ever see the holy spirit in heaven as a person......??.....why??...
3...Then finally show us from all the hundreds of verses you've quoted that calls the holy spirit a GOD or GOD...........

Please do o.......

And please try to fix the holy spirit into 1 corinthians 11:3

If the Father is head of Christ who amongst the Father and Jesus is head of the holy spirit??........and why isn't the holy spirit fixed in that headship arrangement.......

Its not all about quoting scriptures ,its about coming to a truthful conclusion using the scriptures.......

ijawkid: Ahh the favorite 1 john 5:7.....

Only insincere people quote 1 john 5:7. To support the trinity...........

Would you like us to discuss on 1 john 5:7......

Are u ready??......

And no where does the scriptures call the holy spirit God more or less the almighty GOD............

You people should stop dancing azonto and just show us.........

And let us look at the job 33:4 from the KJV...

Job 33:4
King James Version (KJV)
4 The spirit of God hath made me, and the
breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Study the bolded carefully and give a retort........

truthislight: "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:18-20).

truthislight: The word trinity is not in the bible neither is it a bible teaching. QED.

benalvino: From what I know Our body is the throne of the Holy Spirit... after resurrection we will be having a spiritual and incorruptible body... God is everywhere Right Hand of God is not really Right Hand.... No one can seat at the Right hand of God... if you read the Scripture learn What throne his then also learn what Right hand means then you will know what that Sitting at the Right hand of God is... I don't want to Go into much details because they wont even accept... When the 4 Beast says Holy, Holy, Holy(father, son and Holy spirit...)

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen." (2 Corinthians 13:14)

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." (Matthew 28:19)


"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." (Isaiah 48:16)

"But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near...For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father." (Ephesians 2:13-18)

"But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:20-21)

"This Jesus God has raised up...Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear." (Acts 2:32-33)

"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied." (1 Peter 1:2).

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frosbel: Wrong, Jesus simply quoted old testament scripture.

Besides, have you asked yourself why SATAN called Jesus Son of GOD and not GOD.

Surely he knows Jesus more than you , no ?

Also when he was casting out demons, how come they never called him GOD, instead they called him Son of the most high God ?

Are we missing something here.

frosbel: Show me where Jesus was prayed to, even Jesus told SATAN that we should worship GOD only and him only should we server.

"replied, "The Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'" - Luke 4:8

This is further buttressed by Revelation 1v1 which goes :

"1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place." - Revelation 1v1.

frosbel: LOL.

ijawkid: Ok then let us read the apostles john quoting zechariah 12:10 so that you can abandon this zechariah 12:10 you are holding so dearly....

John 19:37




English Standard Version
(©2001)
And again another Scripture says,
“They will look on him whom they
have pierced.”


New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
And again another Scripture says,
"THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM
WHOM THEY PIERCED."

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
And again another scripture saith,
They shall look on him whom they
pierced.


The KJV rendered it well this time...if you noticed when John was quoting from zechariah he did not quote it as ""they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" rather it he quotes and says ""they shall look on HIM whom they have pierced.....

So my bro hope you can see that the scriptures cannot contradict itself.........

Yahweh is not Jesus and Jesus is not Yahweh.....stop this blasphemy.........

Yahweh is the Father and God of Jesus.......

frosbel: You are running deeper and deeper into confusion.

So there are now 2 ancient of days , You must be catholic , Babylon and confusion etc.

A Clear distinction has been made between the ancient of days and the Son of MAN, stop twisting scripture to mean what you want it to say.

frosbel: Prophecy about Jesus Christ.


What do you guys not understand about Prophecy ?

ijawkid: Before I correct you with a better rendering of that verse let us intelligently analyze the rendition u quoted from......

Does it make an oita of sense if people are looking upon the pierced person ME,but mourning for someone else altogether,HIM??....

The later part of that verse says and they shall mourn as one mourns for a firstborn son...

Is Yahweh the firstborn son??.....does the scripture not say that Jesus instead is the firstborn son of Yahweh??........

Now why don't we see this verse from another rendition...



Zechariah 12:10
Good News Translation (GNT)
10 “I will fill the descendants of David and
the other people of Jerusalem with the spirit
of mercy and the spirit of prayer. They will
look at the one whom they stabbed to death,
and they will mourn for him like those who
mourn for an only child. They will mourn
bitterly, like those who have lost their first-
born son.


Can you see consistency in this rendition??.......

frosbel: Daniel 7 : 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

v13 totally destroys any error regarding the Trinity, here Jesus the Son of MAN is brought into the presence of the Everlasting Father, Ancient of Days, the one and only true GOD who know MAN can see.

frosbel: God did not rise from the dead, Jesus did. God cannot die, stop this madness.

We worship ONE GOD, so Jesus said :

"Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD." - Mark 12:29

truthislight: If am a king, my mother becomes the mother of a king.

If Jesus is God almighty mary becomes the mother of God almighty. Yes!



but then, Jesus is not the almighty God.

Jesus is not the Alpha and the Omega.

truthislight: Yes, that will make her the "mother of God".