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Eruditor:
Coutinho has been bad this season especially after his injury. Dembele was awful last season and the beginning of this season but he picked up later and was derailed by injuries.

The summary is, people should stop playing favourites and setting agendas.

This one na story. Just quote a post where I bashed Coutinho above necessary.

GOAT goal

Dembele assist

Referee... That was a penalty naa

Eruditor:
If that was Coutinho now we won't hear word.

Isn't it obvious that Coutinho is so far a bigger flop than Dembele?

Screw you there Dembele

Are we playing 4 - 2 - 4 now?

Eruditor:
Umtiti is playing rubbish. He is unsure of himself. Behind the place of the game and shaky.

We have a coach who doesn't know when to play a player who has been injured for a long time.

Imagine, Sevilla of all teams is what the coach sees to use Umtiti when Lenglet hasn't been playing badly.

Legend Pique

This is why I hardly blame him. He caused the Sevilla goal, but clears all doubts with that volley.

GOAT

What a volley from GOAT

1-1

10Dove:
I even forgot villa pedro n Messi all scoring double figures too... Chai!

Pedro dropped over 20 goals when we won UCL including scoring in the final match. But Suarez last scored a UCL goal in 2017, and we don't know when he'll score again. Man city keeper Ederson has more assists than Suarez in UCL.

Yet, that coach doesn't have the balls to drop him.

haymekus:
Sometimes, I think it's high time we move pass this Messi era stuff, so that other players can reach their true potential in as much as he remains the best footballer. I'm just tired of watching players always pass the ball to him

IKON360:
Messi is the best baller ever, and I think he enjoys being relied on. Or too often players rely on him, forgetting he is human too. And criticism isn't helping matters, the way I see it, our case maybe worse than Real Madrid's when Messi finally leaves. He is our everything, surest source of goals, surest source of assists, surest source of sensible build up play, best passer etc. Na wa o.

And Valverde should bench Suarez today, Messi too

We'll surely be fine when GOAT retires. We'll go back to the Ronaldinho's era where everyone was a don in his own area of play, not necessarily relying on one man.

IKON360:
dude read and understand before tagging a post stupid. If they were that good, they could have at least won UCL back to back like Zidane.

The free scoring Eto left after that season, why? Henry aged and left, Sanchez doing very well, left too why? Ibrahimovic, one of the best 9s ever left after one season, why? Neymar also left, why? If you watched Neymar in his final season, that season we beat PSG, you will discover that he too started unnecessarily passing to Messi, even when he was in good scoring positions, that season Neymar was very high on the assists charts in Europe not just Spain but in Europe.
Coach after coach, same problem over reliance on Messi. the only forward that has stayed till he became 32 in Barca since 2009 is Suarez, some people will tell you its cos his Messi's friend. I like Suarez but any coach that sees a 32 year old man miss 4 big chances in one match should bench that man. Yet against Lyon Suarez started, today he will start again. There is some kind of conspiracy involved, and I am sure other fans have seen this.
Debroslink pointed it out, every player we sign must say "Messi is the best and I look forward to training with him" Rakitic, Neymar, Semedo, Arthur, Frekie De Jong, even Boateng, something isn't right.

Tuale my G. You hit the nail on the head 100%.

I hope you now accept that EV is shit.

IKON360:
Suarez 25 goals
Countinho 8 goals
Paulinho 9 goals
Dembele 3 goals
top scorers aside Messi.

Suarez... 1 goal in 15 UCL matches spanning 2 years. How we wan win UCL with this poor stats?

Your ass licking is legendary.

tesppidd:
Ma guy Debroslink, while i agree with almost everything you've said,

But this your passtoMessi belief I think is a myth.

Just imagine Suarez scoring half the chances Messi has laid for him,

He'd be neck to neck with Messi already in terms of goals scored.

I say it's a myth because Messi is not only out top scorer for the past 10 years, he has also created thrice as many chances for other teammates.

And if they would only score, we wouldn't be talking about passtoMessi.

The passtoMessi thingy is only done inadvertently rather than strategically and tactically.

And finally,

We need to face it;
Once Messi leaves barca will never be the same again.
We need to use him to win as much as we can now.

But if you are expecting us not to pass to Messi as much as we can and still get as much success,
Then forget it!

Since Guardiola came in, #PasstoMessi started. However, Guardiola did well by bringing the best out of other strikers. Enrique too(1st season)

But when other strikers fail to perform, the coach needs to tweak them in order to get them to perform. That's why I'll never respect EV for playing Suarez all the time despite the fact that he's lost it.

At the end, when we fail to win the big cup, the blame will drop on Messi's laps.

2017/18 season began @ September 2017

November 2017 La liga top scorers

Messi 10 goals

Paulinho 8 goals

Ronaldo 2 goals

EV to Paulinho... "Who the hell are you? Do you wanna score more than Messi? Don't you know he's the best player in the world? Now obey my tactics and #PasstoMessi all the time"

2017/18 La Liga ending top scorers

Messi 34 goals

Ronaldo 26 goals

Paulinho 8 goals

IKON360:
you just had to add that, na wa for you o. One moment, someone will be happy to have intelligent discussion with you the next moment you just behave like what I don't know. You go dey alright sha

When you keep supporting EV and Suarez, you don't expect me to support you na.

@ least, you still get sense pass one useless mrcalculus we get for this thread.

IKON360:
ahh well this is a deposition that can't be argued with. But I won't blame the coach for the players over reliance on Messi, Coutinho came in last year, did his thing and was exceptional, Dembele was just doing his thing, dribbles and crosses and scoring. All these under the same coach. However, when players are to scared to take risks, can't attempt their own creative passes, can't dribble without losing the ball, can't shoot from range, can't create their own moments of genius etc, I won't blame the coach... Or I might sha but these players were all doing so well at one point. What could have caused this sudden relapse to over reliance on Messi?
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When Xavi and Iniesta were around, we had a triumvirate of talismen with Messi at the zenith, when Neymar joined, we had four players we could rely on + a fully functional Suarez, with their departure or regression due to age, we are left weak and exposed. When Messi doesn't score virtually nobody else will score, and Barca fans will be shouting they want fluid football. If I was Valverde, I'll dump this tiki taka and play either aerial balls, swift counters or cross and nod. But a lot of Barca fans feel we must play tiki taka to get the best from Messi et al. Ahh well, the "pass to Messi" tactic will continue until our players, excluding Suarez get more confident and adventurous

I blame the institution of FC BARCELONA generally on licking Messi's ass. Yes we know he's the GOAT, but which one is the fact that other players have to adjust to his pattern all the time?

Whenever we buy a player, I notice that the 1st press conference he holds, the player MUST state that Messi is the best player in the world. Just look @ Prince Boateng as a case study.

Whenever a player does that, he sacrifices his pattern and play style to suite the #PasstoMessi tactics. You can't shoot on your own, you must find Messi whenever he's in the box even if the net is open.

That's why Neymar had to leave even though he didn't handle it well. He wanted to be a man and take decisions without depending on Messi. I have never blamed Neymar for leaving, just that he went to a club and a league where no one can win Balon d or there.

IKON360:
na wa o, Griezman said he didn't want to join Barca, whose fault is that?
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In Chelsea, virtually everybody passes to Hazard, in Man utd, its Pogba, in Man city its either De Bruyne or Silva, in Tottenham its Ericksen, in PSG its Neymar, in Dortmund its Reus, in Liverpool its Salah. Every team has a talisman, a player the team can rely on. Ours is Messi and coaches don't even have to tell the players, you just do your bit, win the ball, pass to the star man and either get to your defending position or you get to an attacking position.

Yes, Messi has always been our talisman for the past 10 years, but anytime Messi scores loads of goals and other forwards keep passing to him without scoring theirs, we ended up with heartbreak.

UCL winning years with our strikers

2009, Messi 38, Eto 36, Henry 26.

2011, Messi 53 Villa 23 Pedro 21

2015 Messi 57, Neymar 39, Suarez 25




UCL heartbreak with #PasstoMessi

2010 Messi 50, Ibrahimovic 23, Pedro 11

2012 Messi 73, Villa 11, Pedro 10

2013 Messi 49, Sanchez 15, Pedro 12

2014 Messi 47, Sanchez 21, Pedro 8

2017 Messi 40+, Suarez 26, Dembele + Coutinho 10

From the stat above, no question about Messi being our talisman.

However, look @ other srtikers' output to Messi's and you'll discover that anytime we activate #PasstoMessi tactics, output of other strikers combined can't match that of Messi's, but whenever our other strikers perform well without depending on Messi, we win UCL.



Meanwhile, no striker mentioned above has had a poor season as Suarez 2018 to date. It's one thing to score just one goal in 2 years of UCL. It's another to keep missing open net in every single match.

Yet, you keep licking his scrotum...

Nche95:
i read the part where you typed "everybody passes to pogba

You dey mind the guy before?

I will always blame the useless coach for Suarez's poor form. A sane coach would have benched him long ago.

Shame on you Suarez

We're currently playing with 10 men. Suarez is short 1.

TalabiAudu:
Mbappe is far far a better player than this Dembele

Who dey follow you compare before?

I dey feel you Dembele

Why na Messi?

OMO see shot

I'm in

Useless pathetic club.

Someone go dey bench dey chop 500k per week. Magaunited

DExponential:
Chelsea vs Man United substitutions:
62nd Minute: Kovacic Off �Barkley On
70th Minute: Pedro Off � Willian On
84th Minute: Higuain Off �Giroud On
#copied

2 down, 1 to go

NLBigBoy:
For 75m my goalie would be saving Pogbas shot

75m fraud wey chop 44 goals for La liga