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LordReed:
Where did I express ever wanting to join in your imagining?

People like you make me even more sure that such a god doesn't exist.

The guy is an immbecile.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell it's what someone else thinks that you're mimicking not making use of your own brain!

This is stupid. Those thoughts are my thoughts as well. I only selected them to save the stress of typing. Over many years on this forum I have highlighted these verses over and over again and criticized them. You have no answer, you know your answers will be embarrassing and idiotic and thats why you are resorting to "what someone else thinks."

If I might ask you, when you quote the bible are you not also quoting "what someone else thinks?"

Olodo. You think anyone has time to play your retarded games.
Good night.

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to ask a question you need to quote the scripture then present your own thoughts on the matter so we can discuss not quoting someone else's judgement!

Lol!!!!!!! Joker!
Abeg shift!

MaxInDHouse:
WHEN YOU ARE READY!

Ok. Herre is the question: what is the moral justification for all those acts I listed in red above.
There you go.

PS: I dont expect any response; I know you cant respond.

phemmyfour:
Which state doesn't have airport in US

Some states there are as big as Nigeria.

MaxInDHouse:
When you are ready my guy WHEN YOU ARE READY!

Shameful. Goodluck.

MaxInDHouse:
When you are ready you will humbly ask your questions!

The quotes are there. I presented them to you. If you dont realise those are questions, thats up to you. Obviously you are afraid.

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't understand something just ask no one will flog you for asking! Matthew 7:7-8

Go on deceiving yourself with excuses for madness.

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Deuteronomy 22:28–29 God’s punishment for the raping of a virgin is to pay her father 50 shekels of silver and marry her for life. The rapist was seen as ruining someone else’s property, not ruining a young girl’s life. Forcing a girl to marry her rapist and have her father accept some money as compensation is disgusting.

2 Samuel 7:1 God, through Nathan, says he is going to punish David’s affair with Bathsheba by making all of David’s wives prostitutes. God making David’s wives prostitutes, despite what His own law said, is not moral.

Leviticus 26:29 God describes how he will punish people by making them eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters. Any God threatening to force people into cannibalism on their family is not moral.

Joshua 6:20–21 God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men, women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys”. C’mon. Ruthlessly murdering all the women and children in a city is not moral.

Deuteronomy 2:32–35 God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. Later in chapter 3:3–7, God commands they do the same to the city of Bashan. Killing children ain’t moral, dude.

1 Numbers 31:7–18; God decides to not kill everyone this time. This time, He commands the Israelites to kill all the Midianites except the virgins, whom they will take as spoils of war. Killing everyone besides virgins and using them as sex slaves isn’t moral.

Judges 11:30–39 Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites. Jephthah is crazy for burning his daughter alive and God is crazy for allowing it. Child sacrifice is not moral.

Deuteronomy 21:18–2 God demands we kill disobedient teenagers. Stoning disobedient children to death is not moral.

Exodus 21:20–21, Colossians 3:22–24, Ephesians 6:5, 1 Peter 2:18; God legitimizes slavery by saying it’s okay to own slaves and to beat them. Slaves are told to obey their masters just as they would obey Jesus, even if their masters are harsh. God blatantly supports slavery. Supporting slavery is not moral.

- Culled - from Renly Bradell

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala at least you have known the reason why God ordered Israelites to kill all the Amalekites. Go and explain to your fellow atheists that a Bible believer has helped you to unravel the secret!

You gave no reason. You only showed yourself as completely bereft of morals, bloodthirsty, ritualistic and pagan.
Besides, that incident with the Amalekites is by no means the only case of Yahweh displaying his barbarism.

There are many.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy if you don't know something ask for insight not just jumping to conclusions.

Haman who plotted that all Jews should be exterminated was the only baby who escaped that annihilation son of Agag the king of Amalek. 1Samuel 15:8; Esther 3:1

Enjoy yourself. You are barbaric and enslaved. Thats all.

MaxInDHouse:
You people hate the truth.
Because i gave you sound reasons now you want to start emotionally blackmail can you quote where Israelites were ordered to rape anyone?

What sound reasons? There are no reasons to mass murder infants. Infants dont know anything. If you kill their parents you can teach them the ways you believe are righteous and that is what they will grow up knowing.

You even went as far as to justify the killing of cattle.

You are simply iredeemable.

Morality my foot.

Your god is obviously nothing but a bloodthirsty pagan mountain mythical deity of the Jews.

MaxInDHouse:
No one will cater for their infants and it's unwise to keep them because when they grow up they will surely fight against their guardians after hearing the story.
They have mated with their cattles that's why the animals must be destroyed for them not to start bearing half human half animal!

Sweet Jesus. You are actually justifying the mass murder of infants. There is nothing you will not defend. I am sure if your Bible says that Alhaji Maiguno should rape your wife, mother and sister seven times a day, you will find a way to justify it.

MaxInDHouse:
You only read without understanding and instead of asking:
WHY?
You just summed up everything in your shallow mind that you've gotten it all.

Those people are worshipers of demons who requires they should sacrifice their children by throwing them into the fire alive.
They mate with their animals and practices barbaric sexual activities.

That's why God told His worshipers to exterminate them since they will not leave the land for His worshipers!

And what did the infants and cattle do?

SmartPolician:
The same flag some young people waved at Lekki Toll Plaza and you lots opened fire on them. If not for video footages, you lots would've denied the massacre. The senseless killings show that Nigerian flag means nothing!

Many still deny it, even here on NL.

MaxInDHouse:
Morality comes to mind when you have neighbours and peace with neighbours is evidence of the highest form of moral!

Peace with neighbours?

Please dont even start.

You surely are not talking about the God of the Bible who instructed his chosen people to slaughter their neighbours - even insisting that they must kill every child and all cattle as well?

1 Samuel 15:3 - “Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

If the opposition does not unite, we should know that they are not serious and no one should complain when the frog wins again.

MaxInDHouse:
Failed reference!

Almighty: power to do all things but can't do evil.
Omnipotent: can do both evil and good.

This is nonsensical and one can easily swap your definitions around.
By the way, the God of your Bible does confess to creating evil -

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

TheDevilsBride:
I'm not sure why you've deemed it necessary, to commence your elucidation, with a preemptive strike against quantum physics. I feel like if there's any aspect, that could potentially contribute to the debate, it shouldn't be thrown out, or merely handwaved aside, without good cause. But at any rate, let's move on...

[*Prays against ban]

Thank you my friend. The reason I have taken this "pre-emptive" strike against quantum physics is simple: much of it remains in the realm of speculation and conjecture still - and even that which is certain about it is mired in deep uncertainty - surely you know this. Einstein described it as "spooky action at a distance" which was a way of indicating that it was something that still appeared to be in the realm of magic and phantoms. This is not to say that there isnt value there, it is simply to say that the science of quantum physics is still at such an elementary and rudimentary stage as yet , such that no one can claim to understand it. It will therefore be very shaky grounds on which to base concrete arguments on existential issues - especially when we are dealing with something so intrinsic to our reality as causality.

No one, for example, will rely on quantum physics in our daily life to avoid the direct consequences of their actions and the dictates of causality as we know them. It is easy enough to make a vague statement such as "towards or close to the beginning of the universe, the laws of physics as we know them break down" and thereby seek to magically invoke quantum physics to fill the gap. I humbly submit that this is no better than the "God of the gaps" which atheists often accuse religionists of. Where you dont understand something, you invoke the fairy of quantum physics as an escape. That will not do please.

This honestly sounds like a sneaky "reframing" of the KCA, that actually makes it worse, tbh. No triggers are necessary and/or required, to make my coffee cold in the morning, it's simply just a natural manifestation of the laws of thermodynamics. You can't just smuggle in assumptions about the nature of causality, from our medium-sized, medium-speed, everyday experiences, and apply them to every single phenomenon, under the sun, lmao.

As I said yesterday, I find the bold most worrisome, and statements such as that, however you may try to excuse them, are the fastest way to chase me away from a conversation. I saw that you tried to make a distinction between "nothing" and "no triggers" the other day and to be honest that only wearied me more. Because fundamentally, I am certain you know the point is that there is a cause, whatever you may describe it as - a drive towards equilibrium, the laws of thermodynamics, whatever. There is a cause and that is the point. And once there is a cause it is patently absurd to say there is no "trigger."

It occurred to me though, that perhaps by "trigger" you think I mean the agency of a person. If that is the case, please perish the thought. I am not saying that. And this goes for LordReed as well, for he said he doubts "it is the cause I am reaching for" - if either of you think that by "trigger" I refer to the agency of a person - kindly know that I do not. A trigger is simply a predeceing cause, an event or even state of affairs that causes something to happen.

This may be a good juncture at which to clarify that I dont know if the God that I am saying necessarily exists is personal, has self awareness or identity. I only know that it is something that necessarily and logically must exist for any other thing to exist. In philosophy, it is called a neccessary thing, as oppposed to a contingent thing. In philosophy, necessary things necessarily exist. I have said already that for me, infinite space and eternal time are necessary things. And therefore components of God.

I'll need to clear up a subtle, albeit unstated misconception here, before we venture too far into the deep end, and waste further time: LordReed already pointed this out, but I'll reiterate, for the avoidance of doubt, that our universe isn't an object IN space and time - it IS space, time, and everything else.

If the universe is itself space and time and everything else, into what is it expanding?
Dwell carefully on this question because it is at the very centre of much that is important in this discussion.

In fact, the many bans I received were on account of trying to post a link to an old thread where this question was discussed at length.

More importantly, we cannot pretend to know if it even "started" at all, in the first place, given that the singularity is a mathematical artifact where our current physics breaks down, and not necessarily a starting point. Planck time? Anyone?

Current best science does say that the universe had a beginning, that it expanded from the point of a singularity and that is why an age is ascribed to the universe.

Circular reasoning, my dear. Now, watch this: Ever heard the term "googwump"? No? If I define "googwump" as "everything that exists", then by definition, anything causing this googwump can't exist! Does it sound like I'm off my meds yet, lmao? If so, I hope, with all duly accorded respect and no offense intended, you can see how some of you folks sound, whenever you start these semantic games. Most of you define, or at least, seem to think of causation in the exact same way you'd think about billiard balls hitting each other. Quantum mechanics (you saw this coming, didn't you ?) shows us that causation at the fundamental level, is absolutely nothing like our everyday life experience.

I have already explained in my intro why I cannot accept the escape of "quantum" physics or mechanics.
It explains and says nothing and is nothing but an escape.

By the way, you may believe that this universe is all that exists, but I certainly do not. And if you are to scale this hurdle you have to first tell me what the universe is expanding into.

Please dont say "nothingness" as that will take us too far out too sea, given that nonthingness, by definition, does not exist.

Smh, this is textbook special pleading, and "transcendental" is such an obtuse weasel word, void of any actual explanatory power.

There is nothing obsfucatory about the word "transcendental," it simply means that which transcends or is beyond something else.

...except you can't logically deduce anything, after making several logical leaps.

I was satisfied when I read this, as it seemed as though we've finally managed to find a mutual ground in this conversation. What I didn't expect though, was for you to mutate this reasonable observation you've just made into something far less reasonable below...

I dont expect you to just agree with me or even follow what I am trying to say. Remember I told you I have been at this for 16 years on this board with no success in terms of getting any skeptic to see what I am propounding so know that its really not every point that can be elucidated to conclusion. Somethings which are simple and obvious to me may be invisible to you and vice versa and I have learnt that quite often one has to leave it at that.

Here we can see you're still making stuff up. Can you elucidate how exactly you came about the knowledge of what non-physical things are, or aren't subject to? Have you perhaps, done extensive empirical studies of non-physical things? Do you possess a large, extensive database of non-physical objects to compare? Or are you just asserting properties about something you've invented, to solve an imaginary problem you've also invented, lmao?

Are you a strict materialist? Do you believe that only physical things exist and non-physical things do not exist?

Have you counted, just to make sure, hmmm? Besides, why is an infinite regress any more problematic to you, than your proposed solution of an eternal, uncaused cause? Ironically, the concept of "infinity" exists, for the exact purpose of questioning our intuitions, about what we think is possible.

Infinity by definition cannot be numbered. And surely it must occur to you that if there were an infinite regress of causes, no event will ever occur and no universe will ever exist. Do I have to break this down? Please dont ask me, try look up the subject in philosophy.

Mate, you're piling on every conceivable attribute, that would exempt your proposed entity from the inconvenience of having to explain itself.

Those attrributes are logically deduced. I hope you notice they do not include religious attributes such as ominiscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, good, kind, loving, merciful, forgiving, just etc.

On a lighter note, if our creator(s) have any personal attributes, I have often reflected that sadism must be one.

Again, circular logic. You cannot define something into existence by merely giving it the property of "necessary existence". Reality doesn't quite work like that, my dear.

. . . .

I'm sorry, but you're still just playing philosophical mad libs. You've taken two mathematical concepts that, for some reason, you don't seem to understand properly, and granted them mystical properties out of nowhere. Do you therefore, suppose that we should ascribe divinity to numbers? Afterall, zero and pi, are both "uncreated and self-existent", isn't it? Look, let's not get carried away here. Infinity and eternity are human concepts that we use to describe limitlessness. That's all there is to it, my dear.

I dont think you are familiar with the philosophical precepts of necessary and contingent things.
Time, for example is a necessary thing. So is space. Neither of these things can fail to exist. They are intrinsically basic to existence. They are the default state of reality.

WriterNig, this your work is a full time job oh.

Ikpunekenwa:
Cc seun the below username are same person do the needful
Motta
DeepSightZ

He is finding a way to silence me with false allegations because I am exposing the fake substandard inferior shoe he is selling in naira and.
This will cause people to lose faith in your website for business.
I have a receipt from one person who almost got his leg amputated because of this same shoe.
This guy should be in kirikiri maximum prison for premeditated manslaughter and third degree murder.

Jesu Christi! I am not any motta oh! Never heard of him!
Simply because I educated you that the picture you posted is a factory safety shoe?

Its meant for wearing when visiting a factory, its not for normal wearing. I know it because its used in the factory of the company I work at, which is a multinational.

tctrills:
My boy we both know how this goes, for the next 10 post, we will keep insulting each other. We won't learn or gain anything. Let me leave you here. You don't have anything to offer

Shameless fool.
Caught blatantly pants down in glaring doublespeak and hypocrisy.
You should hide your face in shame.

*Spits.

tctrills:
I am a bit confused here, you say that the aid your received was manipulative now the aid is gone, you should be telling Trump thank you for taking away the manipulation.
And you should be rejoicing that the manipulation is going to Israel. I know you don't like Israel very much.
My Yoruba friends will say Radarada.

Joker. Who wants their silly aid. You are deliberately trying to play dumb and change the subject. The subject is your disgusting hypocrisy. You said we should be grateful for the aid, and once he cancels USAID you then admit exactly what I was saying just to defend everything he does. So now that you say USAID was an instrument of regime change and terrorism sponsorship - IS THAT WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GRATEFUL FOR? ? ? ? ? ? ?

You make me sick.
You are an inferior piece of shit with no self respect whatsoever.

tctrills:
Oga just read it was not aid to Israel. It was a trade. Also, remember, it is not your money or mine. The US is allowed to give its money to its allies. When did that become a bad thing? We don't choose for them who and who not to give money to. The elected a president for that purpose.

That's not the point. Its not about Israel or the US's right to do what it likes with its money. Its about your hypocrisy. I told you over and over again that the aid you said we should be grateful for was manipulative and you kept shouting that I am ungrateful and entitled. Now here you are, when it is convenient, simply to defend your god and master, Trump, you have switched to admit that their prime aid agency was a tool for regime change and sponsoring terrorism. Why didnt you acknowldge that when you were busy telling me to be grateful for their aid, and I was saying exactly that repeatedly.

You are just a filthy shameless disgusting hypocrite and slave who will defend the white man even if he raped your mother.

tctrills:
And the USAID has sponsored many regime changes and paid terrorist organizations

Oh so when its convenient, you know this?
What happened to your gratitude for the aid?

Can you see your hypocrisy?

One begins to wonder what the world will look like by this time next year.

Ikpunekenwa:
If you buy this iron condemn boots, look at you and look at athletes foot, grout, herpes, tetanus, diabetes, turmour, cancer, ETC
No lies, this boot is known to cause those 👆 and more.

See the leg of who is selling boot, he is avoiding his iron condemn boots but selling the fake stuff to people, look at how twisted and malnourished his legs are and this is what this boot will do to your leg, there is a finding it also sucks blood.
This shoe has a reputation of while you are walking, you may be surprised the sole already left you in obalende, the sole never lasts at all.
Infact if you don't want to be amputated and for your own good, find a reputable brand and avoid this

IRON CONDEMN FAKE SUBSTANDARD SHOES

When you see this boot, run like a cheetah pursuing a gazelle.

Those are factory safety boots for heavens sake.

TheDevilsBride, I have been banned and banned and banned each time I try to post.
Let me first see if I will be banned before I respond properly to you.

Although I must say I am not encouraged to do so - reading a line which says that nothing causes a cup of cofee to come to become cold in the morning is too tiresome to contemplate responding to.

Ikpunekenwa:
But that their sympathy no reach their xenophobia on their fellow blacks who contributed and sweated for them during apartheid?
You muslims eeeh! Your double stands and hypocrisy stinks.

I am not Muslim and yes that xenophobia is horrid and disgraceful.

Wizardslayer:
Trump please be calming down...


I just like Mr trump unconditionally.

That's last word there betrays your irrationality, morbid bias, enslavement by and worship of the man.

Azazyel:
You can defend them all you want but most of them are xenophobic and even when you look at their social media posts too you'll see it. It is visible to everyone. Their evil actions are widely supported by top black politicians and figures. Nothing can justify this nonsense. It's outright terrorism. Who send them to support Palestine? They would kill and maim their fellow black people and then support middle East people. Eye service people. Anything wey Dem see from Trump, make Dem collect! They should also remove their soldiers from Congo or they'll keep falling like mosquitoes. We know they're there for the resources as well

Interesting take. I must say they dont paint themselves in glory with that xenophobia.

Azazyel:
They should navigate their way out of this one. Mumu SA. After all, they have terrorised other black people so they're terrorists

Xenophobia is not official SA Policy, rather, there are significant numbers of xenophobes there. On the contrary, support for Palestine is official policy and it is rooted in the apartheid experience.