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Hi Friend,
I was just surfing, today,and found this article on "Wikipedia".Throws some light on this discussion,

Here it goes:
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"Holy Spirit" or "Holy Ghost"[/b]Holy Ghost was the common name for the Holy Spirit in English prior to the 20th century. It is the name used in the Book of Common Prayer and the King James Version of the Bible, and is still used by those who prefer more traditional language, or whose religious vocabulary is largely derived from the King James Version . The original meaning of the English word ghost parallelled the words spirit or soul; only later did the former word come to acquire the specific sense of "disembodied spirit of the dead" and the associated pejorative connotations.

In 1901 the American Standard Version of the Bible translated the name as Holy Spirit, as had the English Revised Version of 1881-1885 upon which it was based. Almost all modern English translations have followed suit. Some languages still use a word that overlaps both English words, such as the German Geist.

In the United Kingdom, Religious Education teachers are told to avoid using "Holy Ghost" as it "suggests a trivial and spooky element to the third part in the Trinity" .
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lagerwhenindoubt:
I am obviously out of my depth here, but i remember a particular argument (during our zeal-filled SU days) that puts the position like this

The Holy Spirit is appropriate and referenced to be God's persona (always refered to as Spirit in the Bible)

The Holy Ghost is a contrived Roman Catholic characterization of the same aimed at subtly embellishing controversial tenets of the Catholic doctrine with some semblance of truth and biblical authority

example, because we believe in the Holy Ghost and frequently refer to him (not it or an adjective) we can feel comfortable with having Ghosts of our beloved removed from place of suffering to paradise by simply paying monies or a similar ritual, rather than believign that the dead are deader than dead-wood and await judgment on judgement day.

my thoughts

Hmmm, more like what I thought!
Somebody with an open mind,and an instructive background is talking here.

Is there any difference between these two phrases:

"The 'Spirit' of the Lord is upon me, "
"The 'Ghost' of the Lord is upon me, "

It is obvious there is a lot of confusion about several subjects here.

Each contributor seem to have made his best attempts.But sincerely,it has all been a
"scratching of the surface"

The confusion begins with:
1).An improper understanding of the Lord's resurrection,
2).A vague understanding of the manner of the resurrection of the saints.
3).Lack of understanding of the OBJECT and MANNER of our Lord's return,

And leads on to many more complex questions.The beautiful thing about this is that the Bible has answers to all of them.

People seem to be believe that our Lord's second advent is the end of God's Plan for humanity.Unfortunately,it is only the beginning !

I have to go to bed now, hopefully,tomorrow,I shall make more elaborate comments.

God bless you all,

KAG:
Also, when you say "creationist by modern definition", what exactly do you mean?

By Creationist, I mean I believe in the Bible account of creation viz:

That the animate and inanimate creation did not come into being on their own accord,or through a process of Evolution,or some kind of blind force.

That the existence of a Creation presumes the existence of a Creator.

That if the creation possess intelligence as we all do,the Creator must also possess Intelligence,and a higher one for that matter.

That the Physical Earth,and indeed the entire Solar System, was made by an Intelligent Creator.

That the same Creator is the Almighty God,who made Adam and Eve,our first parents,and gave them the power of procreation to reproduce their kind.

I am a Creationist and not an Evolutionist !

I'll be back soon.

Thanks.

Hi Friends,

I have to say from the start that the Bible's account of a Universal Flood about the time it was said to have happened is not only true and factual but also agree with the latest and assured  findings of modern science.

I should know better for some few reasons:

Number one,I am a GEOLOGIST by training,and consequently,a Creationist, by modern definition.

Secondly,our non-sectarian organization has done extensive work on the subject since the beginning of this century.From our results,we are fully convinced that there was indeed a Universal Flood about the time the Holy Scriptures said it took place.

In the days ahead,I shall present Biblical and extra-Biblical evidences in proof of the foregoing.My evidences will cover such fields as ARCHAELOGY,PALEONTOLOGY  STRATIGRAPHY,HISTORY etc.

I shall give a prelude first,and that would cover the historical events leading up to,and necessitating the Flood.This will provide a foundation for what shall be said later.

It is not likely that non-Creationists will learn much from what will be said here.I do hope,though,that they will begin to appreciate from the facts to be presented here that there must be an Intelligent Creator behind the vast creation that we see around us.

I am also sure that many of us will begin to look at the Bible from a different perspective hereafter.

Thanks.

m4malik:
Hi @dignity,

I don't get you here. Are you saying that demons and fallen angels are spirits or ghosts - which one?

What I mean is that so called Ghosts are not "spirits of dead men",as many think,
but fallen angels masquerading as spirits of dead men.

This is the logic, If it is true that men do not actually die at death but live in another form
(as spirits) after death,what would be the need for the resurrection of the Dead.

What would be the meaning of Jesus' declaration, "Marvel not,for the hour cometh when those who are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son Of Man,and shall come forth"

Spirits generally connote fear in the hearts of men because of their invisibility,their higher nature,and consequently,their awesomeness.That's why  the Apostles were afraid when  they thought they saw a spirit in the encounter they had with our Lord on the sea.

The point being made here is that the we degrade the personality of the Holy Spirit with the use of the word Ghost since the HOLY SPIRIT is not a "disembodied spirit" of any a dead man ! Certainly the Holy Spirit of God IS NOT A GHOST,though IT IS A SPIRIT!

I love your meek and humble approach,m4malik.If you would like more information about the nature of man,and another perspective of the Scriptures you cited in the light of other Bible passages,I would be all too glad to send you some FREE BOOKLETS AND MAGAZINES.They may help you in your study.

All I need is your POSTAL ADDRESS, just that !

I should be back tomorrow again to reply to some of the other issues raised here.

I appreciate all your posts even those ones that have been saucy and cynical. Aren't we supposed to be  different ?

Hi
Expectedly,the Greek word,pneuma,should be the same for both words,Ghost and Spirit.The problem is not with the Greek original but with the translations given by those who rendered those words into English.

But what are Ghosts?
They are thought to be spirits of dead men hovering around us.It was thought that because these men were evil while they lived,they have been denied access to Heaven.Not having access to Heaven,then, they hover around us here.

But is it really true that "the Dead Are Not Really Dead".

Does not the Bible tell us that "there is no wisdom,no work or knowledge in the grave that thou goest", that we do with our might whatever our hands find to do now?

Does not the Bible say of the dead man in the book of Job,saying,"His sons come to honor and He knoweth not?"

Is there anything that can live apart from man when he dies?Is it really true that man is made up of spirit,soul and body?

When God created Adam,the first man,was it not the combination of the "breath of life"
from God (essentially Oxygen) and the lifeless body of Adam that became a living being?

In other words,
body + breath of life = soul

The scripture seem to teach by this that "it is not that man has a soul but that man himself is a soul"

So,when a man dies, he goes into unconsciousness,into oblivion, and he has no hope to live again except by the "resurrection of the dead"secured by the death of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Are there such things as Ghosts, disembodied spirits??No,the scripture seem to teach.
So,then,what do they see who claim to have seen Ghosts?My response:DEMONS, FALLEN ANGELS,masquerading as Spirits of the DEAD.

I should be back tomorrow to shed light on Romans 8:27.

God bless you all.

Adetola

C'mmon dondele,

You are wrong about this.
A Ghost (if such thing really exists) is not the same thing as a "Spirit".

Here is an analogy:
Hydrogen is a gas BUT not every gas is hydrogen.
A Ghost is thought to be invisible,so is Spirit or Spirit Beings, that is where the similarity ends, invisibility.

Check out these definitions:
http://www.googlism.com/what_is/a/a_ghost/
http://paranormal.about.com/cs/ghosthunting/f/blfaqs_ghosts01.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/C003325F/what_is_a_ghost.htm

Its been around with us for a long time, centuries, I dare say.

But that doesn't make right.
Theologians have erred on it.
Preachers have stumbled over it.
And no one seem to know, that it was an error !

It started with KJV translators.Their minds, still filled with the wrong medieval belief of "Ghosts" as "disembodied spirits".They called the Holy Spirit of God "The Holy Ghost".
And since then all of us seem to have been fooled, as though a spell was cast over us all.

Wake Up Now! The Holy Spirit is not a "Ghost".It is the mind of God,it is the power of God, It is not a Ghost.

"Does it really matter",some may ask? When we know the truth about some matter,we prove we are obedient servants by promptly obeying it.If we choose to go on with our error after knowing the truth,we are to that extent unfaithful.God has no need of unfaithful children.

Remember the Scripture,"He that is faithful in that which is least will be faithful in that which is much".

Let the Truth set you FREE today!

Adetola

Hi Friends,

I am a bit in a hurry here,and just want to cut to the chase.

I am offering our dear Sisters on this forum this 22- or so-page report containing over 199 business ideas.You can use these ideas as they are,or use them as "idea starters".
This is no Internet Business o !, I am still working on some workable ideas on Internet Business to post here.

And who says men can't use these ideas??

You can do anything with this short report, Elsewhere,you may have to pay anything from N2,000.But here,it is yours FREE!

Don't forget!If it helps you in anyway,pass it on to others,

If you want it,just send me a mail with subject: "Send the Business Ideas".
My email address is jadetola at gmail.com

I am presently transferring my sites to another host ,so I can't give you a download link at this time.It would be sent via email attachment.Don't worry,it's not in PDF format.So, need to fear about space in your box.

I should be back tomorrow.

Yours,
Adetola

Hi staremysta ,

Sorry,ClickBank will not accept your credit card if you are ordering from Nigeria.
You may call me,and I will get it sorted out for you.

My numbers:08028360509,08028360510

Adetola

xdos:
I registered with graphcard, Generated a credit card about $50 with them, I tried using it to register a domain name for a friend and after the registration, it was cancelled and refunded, not once, not twice,
I tried it with godaddy, supernamecenter, everyone.net, but none accepted it,
What should be the problem,

Hi xdos,
Godaddy and affiliated websites will not accept your credit card if the billing address on the card does not match the IP.
I once had similar problem with Godaddy some years ago.They refunded my money within minutes of purchasng the domain.There's nothing you can do about.I just called their bluff,and registered my domains elsewhere.

If you love Godaddy so much like I do,then get someone in the US to pay for the pertinent items for you.
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Adetola.

Hey Friends,
The answer you are looking for is here:

http://biblestandard.com/questions/QA_h.htm

Hope it satisfies you.

Be Well.
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Dignity.

Hi Friends,

I believe we all can find the true Biblical position on the condition of the dead here:

http://biblestandard.com/questions/QA_d.htm

If you still have any questions feel free to call me on any of these lines:

08028360509
08028360510

I can even arrange a private Bible Study with you if you stay in Lagos.

Success,
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Dignity

Hi spikedcylinder,
I love cooking and cook a lot too?
The first question that struck me was "How on earth will this woman combine this business with her school work?You know as well as I do that cooking is very very tasking.

Because you are serving a breakfast meal,you will need to wake up very early every day to prepare the meals.God help you when it's exam time !

If you want to get a 2nd Class Upper in school,its not the perfect business for a student,even if there's no denying that it is a lofty idea.

You have two options:

1).Do the business while the school is not in session.Use that time to train others who will manage the business for you when school resumes.Your role will then be basically supervisory, Or,

2).Nurture and grow the idea now,and execute it as soon as you leave school.

All the Best.
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Dignity

People on this Forum seem to like food a lot o o !

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Do it for yourself,your husband,your wife,your family,or even your friends.

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For me I've suddenly fallen in love with "Calabar" foods o.Don't blame me o.But those people are too good in the kitchen o!You have just too many soups to choose from, Edikaikong,Editan,Atamang,Afiafere,Afang,, and many many other "Afia this" "Afia that" "Edi this","Edi that",

I will see what you'll all do with the over 170,000 Recipes I have with me !!

Bye,
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Dignity

Hey beyonce1,why did this get you upset? Edikaikong is one of the richest soups in Nigeria,and it is very very tasty.I like Egusi (Melon) but not as much as I like Edikaikong.

Hi taidamm,don't worry bo !I will teach you.But it would be better if I refer you to my fiancee.She is Ibibio while I am Yoruba.Where are you resident?

Many options are open to you.

We need to know what skills you have,
How much time you can devote to your online business,
How much money you wish to spend, your budget.

Then,of course,you need to acquire some fundamental knowledge of Internet Marketing,and its various aspects.There are many routes open to you.But you need to identify the one that fits your budget,time etc.

I do not like to give my line at a public forum like this.But for further help,you may contact me for now via this email: adetola@theglobalmatrixx.com .

Don't be too hasty.There are many traps out there.But you can succeed,if you want to.

Nice Day.
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Dignity

It's high time people started backing up their claims with hard facts, It is pitiable that we see a lot of people trying to teach others how to make money online while they themselves have not even made a red cent!

In 2003,I made my first commission of about US$97 as an affiliate for a single product.If someone asked me today how I did it,I wouldn't need to scratch my head to do so.

Hey moneyideas,back up your claim that you've made money from Online Survey,and that you still do.

Can you?

, dignity

Hi Sam-Carlos,

Joined this Forum yesterday,and this is going to be my first post.

I have done extensive research on Shea Butter,and I can tell you it prevents Stretch Marks.If they have already developed,it reduces their appearance, that at times, they are hardly discernible.

Hey,I didn't say REFINED SHEA BUTTER  o!I mean 'raw and natural'.Let me know after you have used it for 3 to 4 weeks.

Good Luck!