Phenmeson:
Good evening all.
I just want to ask opinions of how to manage properties perfectly in Nigeria for someone who reside abroad.

* What to do in getting rent payment promptly and how to manage properties repair through Estate Agency or any reliable Third party company's in Ogun state area.

Thanks 🙏

There should be reputable estate agents in Ogun state. Ask around. Try Jide Taiwo. They have offices in the Southwest. They normally charge 10 percent.

Regarding maintenance for rentals, there is really nothing to maintain as a landlord if you've built properly. All arising maintenance issues are built into the tenancy agreement and security deposit.

So tenants are responsible for maintaining the internal fixtures and fittings, suckaway evacuation and refuse disposal and replacement of the pumping machine when burnt.

As a landlord, you are only responsible for repainting of the building or leaking roof. If you've built properly, these are issues you may not deal with for years.

So all you need is an agency to look for and vet the tenants and issue the tenancy agreement and periodically visit the property to ensure the property is being put to proper use.

There is the conception that rentals in Nigeria is problematic but this is not my experience. My experience is very pleasant with really fantastic tenants. I'm a fantastic landlord as well I must praise myself.

Aforxzy:
Happy new month everyone.
This month of August shall favour us and there shall be no lost.

Amen o our lady engineer. Wishing you Happy and Safe peaceful protest.

Billions123:

What do you prefer?

H-pipe

twinskenny:
Overload?


https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-DWCG6uvsj/?igsh=bGt6b29pNTdzM205

Bravery, he wanted to stop the damages.... almost 🤣

Thank God no loss of life. The Galvanised pipe is not suitable for the amount of load.H-pipe or oil field pipe are highly recommended in such situations.

I'm never a fan of galvanised pipes for water tower.

Kaybthaniels:
Professionals and gurus in the house, please what’s the solution here?, I wasn’t around when this was done, My shower was screwed to the burglary bar, I still want to keep the shower design tho, From what I can see the solution is to shift the window and make it centred with the toilet but I will appreciate y’all’s inputs, Thank you 🙏

All these artisans sef. They should have brought your attention to the outcome before installing.

Note, there is no perfect solution.

First, dismantled the glass partition.

If you've tiled the floor chisel out the tiles and run a course of blocks on the floor on the same line the glass partition was. So, when you install back the glass partition, it will be taller than the window.

At the top of the window, (parallel) run a 4×4 poline, the same length of the window where you can screw the glass partition instead of the window. This will leave a gap between the window and the glass partition for you to hang and run a toilet window curtain.

afrobaby:
Hello Good people, please I just this quotation from my bricklayer for fencing, front fence not included because it is still a site, left fence is on ground level, right fence already has 3 levels of blocks while the back has 7 levels already .

Blocks 2300
Cement 38 bags
Sharp sand 20 tonnes
9' block for back fence 70
Labour 290,000

Is this a fair price

Block = 2300
Labour = N290,000

That is N126 per block to lay.

How much is it to lay a block in your area?

Will 2300 block complete the job?

If more blocks are needed, will the labour cost stay the same?

Answers to the above questions will determine if the labour cost is fair.

raymondFirstborn:


This is understandable. But two months of intensive fabrication and you only come twice is that the usual thing?.

Honourable, look at the situation this way:

If the tradesperson contacted you that your materials have been stolen at his business premises, what would be your expectations?

My expectations would include the tradesperson replacing the stolen materials through their insurance or from their pocket. The insurance (security) of any business premises is the responsibility of the "registered" owner.

From your own account, you are the resident contractor at that site. You are responsible to provide insurance (security) for all goods stored overnight. Three cases of theft are alleged to have been reported to you. It is your responsibility to investigate the thefts and take appropriate actions which could include instructing that no tools should be stored overnight at site and further to advise all that any tools and materials stored overnight are at owners risk.

From your own account, you have failed to do the above. As the resident contractor, your insurance is liable for any theft at site for goods and materials stored overnight.

You should sit him down over a cold drink and arrive at a reasonable compensation for his missing tools.

I am sorry, but you have not managed your site to the standard expected from a multi million project.

Dam5reey:


Stop misleading people.. 3M will get you 14.4KWH real capacity now...

Lithium Price has fallen in china drastically.. making it affordable for home storage, China has mass produce them its soo affordable, just stay informed.

Below is a Lithium set up under 1.3M

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xRVwyt3fXkw

There is no misleading as you put it. If you can get one at the price you mentioned, go for it and be happy. There are some no names that are below 3mil sef.

gabbytabby:
Oga at a point its about what you deserve not so much about the value for money. If you have the money spend it on your life’s comfort unless those wey no know how hard you worked will get to squander am.

If you are making financial/commercial decisions then value for money comes to play.

For Nigeria if you know how liberating being able to go off grid is eh you go see yourself dancing without music when you go by those long queues at petrol stations.

I don hear jare Madam Honourable.
How your side?

Na Nigerian government and its civil service turn the citizens into water board companies self providers, Energy companies, security companies and all.

ajabani4allah:


Pls go for Lithium battery, any installer still telling you to use lead acid is no doing you any favour. I have just a 60Ah locally built lifepo4 battery and it's over 3 years now without noticing anything drop in its efficiency. So, a good lifepo4 battery will have a life span of nothing less than 8 years

A genuine 6.5KWh LiFePO4 battery is just under 3million. Never mind the 15KWh they write on the body of some batteries. This is not true.

One will need about a genuine 15KWh to have any descent power supply and we will be into the 6million range for batteries alone.

For me, this is where everything breaks down value for money wise. A 20M off grid solar set up for a residential home is not good value for money from my perspective.

Rany4all:
I don't think you live in this same Naija wey we dey so. Or maybe you haven't bought fuel for quite a while now.

A 7.5kva gen has a 25L fuel tank and a full tank can run non-stop for only about 12hrs. In today's economy, that 55k you mentioned can get you just about 70L of fuel, which translates to about 3 full tanks on that 7.5kva gen, hence you'd only be able to run the gen for just 3 x 12hrs (1 and half days, if run continuously).

Get an inverter generator. The science is, an inverter generator of the same capacity you evidenced will run 75% longer than your normal generator as it will use less fuel. Inverter consumes fuel according to the load. Less load, minimal fuel consumption.

So if you have a situation where your appliances like energy saving bulbs, TV run on solar, but only your fridge, occasional A/C and washing machine run on inverter, a 25L fuel can go well more than a week.

For a homeowner with an average family, a hybrid system just like a hybrid car, is the best energy solution with a solar budget of 2M.

sonnie10:

This one no be hear say. My brother is using only solar in his hospital. The whole 2 storey building, and has been off grid ever since. 24 hours electricity with ac, water pump, fridges and all tvs . The system has 45 solar panels.
When most of the appliances are on, it say only 25% usage, meaning he can even add more load. 15kva total. Cost more than #10M.

This is what we're talking about. On an industrial scale, solar is spot on. The hospital will pay for it.

Spending onwards of 15M on electricity for an average family home does not make any economic sense.

michlins:
most 7.5kva generator will take 7k fuel for 24hrs daily. Now you will have to add the cost of the noise, the cost of the maintenance and the best part of it, the generator even with best servicing history can decide one night not to start. You will have to wait until the next day to get a mechanic.

Start your journey with the available 2ml and keep increasing the batteries and panels as days go by. You will get off the grid in no time

I don't have solar (yet) I cannot use 5ml on generator at all. I will rather use it to set up solar and budget a six months upgrade until I get what I want.

Last year,a friend of mine went off grid in Enugu. Like completely for a little over 4ml. It was a DIY project

Solar only makes good sense if one can get to off grid stage. Here resides the problem. The cost is so prohibitive that it is out of reach to majority of Nigerians.

Mind you, about 90% of Nigerians living in urban areas are renters. And about half (or less) of Nigerians living in rural areas and villages own their own homes. For these demographics, off grid is not feasible.

This is why a hybrid system comes highly recommended. A well managed 2M hybrid system with 50k monthly outlay can guarantee more than 15 hours access to power per day.

twinskenny:


50k on petrol monthly Maybe you are putting on the gen for just 30 or 45minutes

Mind you, there is already solar. So you don't have to run the genset flat out.

sonnie10:

This one no be hear say. My brother is using only solar in his hospital. The whole 2 storey building, and has been off grid ever since. 24 hours electricity with ac, water pump, fridges and all tvs . The system has 45 solar panels.
When most of the appliances are on, it say only 25% usage, meaning he can even add more load. 15kva total. Cost more than #10M.

A decent complete off grid solar system will set you back 10-15M. The initial cost is the issue. This set up cost makes it not fit for purpose, not cost effective. There is no savings to be had. At 10M, the unit cost per kilo watt is very prohibitive. It may take you 14 years to match a genset user who spends 55k a month on petrol.

So, ideally, a hybrid system is by far cheaper by a country mile than complete off grid solar. Spend about 2M on a solar set up and get a 7.5kva generator for about 500k. That's a total of 2.5M. Have a monthly budget of 50k on petrol for the genset.

Run the solar by day, run genset by night. The numbers add up for an average family home.

cash1115:
Good day NL fam.
I want to ask for opinions of everyone here. Many of our ogas and beloved clients are here. We also have here is fellow artisans who may likely have experienced this thing. I have talked about this here some time ago.

To the glory of God, I've worked with several nairalanders and I've had 90% positive experience from both home-based and abroad-based clients. However, there are few not-so-great clients which is expected as people differ. The grouse here is about some potential clients who would ask you to come to their site (especially in another town/state) to take measurements or even start immediately, only for them to leave you stranded without any tangible reason than saying "You're a scam". I recently had this bitter experience from someone who contacted me from here. We've discussed and she was well aware of my location and that I had to travel to where her site is located. I left home as early as 6am and got there around 9a.m. we were supposed to get the materials on that day. I met with the site engineer who said he had no knowledge of what I'm talking about even though she said otherwise. I called her and she said she's busy and I have to wait till 1pm before she send money. I waited. And by that time she changed tone, telling me she cant trust me, someone from a different city, with her job. I was very surprised. I tried explaining things to her and she just went off and called me all sorts. I was so stunned I didn't even know what to do. The day was wasted. Time, money and resources all wasted. I had rejected a job slotted for that day because I was so sure I was going to get materials for her site as we discussed. I was given #5k for tfare even though I spent double of that. I didn't want any wahala, na so I traveled back. It felt surreal but it is what it is.

Now, this is the second time I'm experiencing this. The first time was when I went to Benin and I was communicating with the woman till I get to Benin after a whole day journey only for her to do a turnaround. Since then, I do ask for tfare at least from prospective clients. Especially if I have to travel to your site. You can deduct it from my payments if I eventually start the job, if not, I lose nothing. That worked but not all clients agree to it.
Sometimes even, when some refuse mobilization fee, I tell them at least pay for the materials directly to the outlet I'm buying. That way, even if na scam, they get the materials and I get nothing. We all know as Nigeria be so I'm not offended that some clients want to be 100% sure. But as you as a client is trying to be safe, please also consider the artisans.
We also take risks to go to people and sites that we don't know. We've seen cases of people who were kidnapped or robbed just because they went to check a site. And there's also this particular matter I just raised. We should be able to meet each other halfway because life itself is a risk.

It is a tricky situation where the odds are stacked against you. We've not heard from the client and we may never hear from the client.

I understand the motivation to land a job, so the need to bend over backwards to accommodate a client. However, it is acceptable to demand for a mobilisation fee upfront. In situation like this, the cost of mobilisation (visit to site) will be deducted and the balance returned to the client. The percentage of deduction MUST be discussed with the client before making payment. It is not something you make up along the way or as the spirit led.

If a client is not comfortable in mobilising their tradesperson, they shouldn't be making contact in the first place. It is also the client's responsibility to ask for the structure and method of payment to avoid situations like this.

It is unfortunate.

Rany4all:
There are so many other things that tenants are usually willing to pay more for...I don't think a screeded wall or paint quality is one of them though. You'd be surprised, some tenants would even paint over your quality paint with a different colour of their choice, unless you restrict them beforehand.

Some tenants will even lay wall paper over your nicely screeded wall. Some will build a media centre over it or lay plastic panel all over the wall.

For rentals, a professionally finished plastered wall will do. No tenant will pay more for a screeded wall than a plastered wall all other amenities being equal.

therealMcCain:
Guys please help me critize this plan. I initially wanted them to be detached units but I changed my mind.

I specifically asked for the rooms to have some form of cross ventilation.

CC
saydfact
twinskenny
mufutau55
OnMyHonor
michlins
diordaves

It is a half decent design for a bedsit but I think you've missed a trick or two relating to space utilisation and functionality. With your design, there are lots of dead spaces and non functional spaces.

#That 1200 space by the side of the bed is a dead space and a waste for a bedsit.

# A Balcony of 2850 for a bedsit is a very expensive luxury which is a waste.

# The room has no focal point. Where will you "hang" a TV, where will you put a table and a chair to watch the TV. It is a non-functional room.

# A rear balcony for a bedsit is a very expensive luxury which is a waste of space.

# The kitchen is non functional. How? Two doors in such a small kitchen kills all useable space. How do you arrange the space for a stove (gas cooker) and a worktop and even wall units and shelves.

SOLUTION
Look at my suggested design of apartment 2. For me, I think with my suggestion, the space works better for the occupants. There is proper cross ventilation which you want and there is a functional sitting area with no dead spaces.

You can compare and contrast and then decide what you think is appropriate for your target audience. But I believe my design is a better design for a bedsit than yours.

kkonsults:


We do all types of designs.
We’ve posted bungalow’s in the past.

Which of your line is your WhatsApp number?

kkonsults:
Contact us for your Architectural Designs & Construction Services

Honourable, nice design but you no dey do bungalow plan? I like to see your bungalow work.

rmx:


Do commercial not industrial, those pictures are cement board wall partitions for office , eatery and bakery space in an open floor space for a supermarket , with pop boarding for ceiling . The most appropriate solution if you don’t want to do block works after all tiling and other civil works has been completed

My point still stands that cement boards are more expensive than using pop boards either for ceiling or for wall partitioning or for basically anything . I know cos I use both regularly .Maybe cheaper outside Nigeria

Now I think I got you. Of course plasterboard is cheaper per square meter than cement board. So this is even a better argument against PVC and Polystyrene ceiling.

However, plasterboard MAY not work out being cheaper than cement board as cement board is a factory FINISHED product near plug and play - screw it up, joint it and paint.

But with plasterboard it is prone to moisture and damp and water damage. So plasterboards must be protected from water damage by skimming over it (screeding)/plastering before painting. This process might just even out the cost differential or even add more.

I have not used plasterboard ceiling solution in Nigeria before. This is something I will need to crunch the numbers in my coming project to see if it works better for me than cement board in certain situations.

You use "POP board". Just to be clear, you mean actual POP boards and not plasterboard? Is that right?

rmx:


Wont agree to the last paragraph , cement board more expensive . Been using both for all my projects for years . Installation is basically the same for both , Pop boards comes in 1.2m x 3 m , cement boards come in 1.2 x 2.4 meter yet more expensive , likely 30 to 50 % more , don’t do wood , use hanger ,profiles , angles , screws , etc

Use cement boards for wall partitioning since they are stronger and sturdier while pop boards for ceiling .pix from an ongoing project

Cement board are not the right solution for an industrial project such as yours. POP boards as you would know are the right solution. For residential (home) projects, fibre boards are effective alternatives to installed POP at a fraction of the cost.

fashrola:



thank you so much........ So that means before woodwork, I have to determine the size i will use before the nogging right?

Do Nigerite have any distributor or installer in Akwa Ibom?

The fibre board are of standard size. To save cost, decide what you want from the beginning - POP or Fibre board. When you are doing your roof wood work, tell the carpenter to nog for POP or Fibre.

There must be in Awkward Ibom.

PrimeQuay:


Installation accessories & installation cost should also be added to the price of the board.

You are very correct but this will not impact considerably on the differences in price.

Beframia:
Do the joints (or edges) need to be secured using wooden batons like the old asbestos ceiling we know? Could you please share a pic of your installation?

No. The joints are not secured by wooden batons. However, you can if that style is your thing.

STEP ONE
Screw your fibre board to the noggins.

STEP TWO
Joint the boarding with jointing tape (see attached photos)

STEP THREE
Apply primer to the joints (see photos)

STEP FOUR
Sand paper joints for a smooth surface. Clean off dust and paint with choice of colour.

Rocket scientist not needed.

fashrola:


I'm just hearing fiber-cement board for the first time, i guess because POP is the rave of the moment in interior designing now

I've "googled" about the fiber-cement board and its a very good choice of material, since its resistance to fire, heat and mold

I'm currently building at the moment but i would like to know more about this fiber-cement board before i choose it as my preferred ceiling choice

1. Does it has the same wood arrangement like the POP? or it has own dimension when carrying out the woodwork
2. Does it come in different sizes and thickness?
3. Apart from Nigerite, do we have another manufacturer in Nigeria that can compete in quality and price?
4. Any idea how much this fiber-cement board cost?
5. Does it require special installations or the POP guys can still install it?

VanuatuWycombe:


Discounted price, as received from a sales person from Nigerite, in case one is buying up to 1500 pieces - altogether

6mm - N13,300
8mm - N15,850
10mm - 20,500

No 4mm available at Nigerite.



Non-discounted price.
6mm - N13,700
8mm - N16,500
10mm - 21,000

These were as of last week Wednesday.

Sinoma’s price is Jesse than that of Nigerite.

1. Does it have the same nogging as POP?
No. A 6mm fibre cement board (N13,300) will be about 1.24mm x 2.44mm in size. So the size of the board will determine your nogging. So you have to decide from the beginning what ceiling solution that you want when roofing. The carpenter that will do your roofing wood work SHOULD also do your nogging. You will save a lot by so doing than having the carpenter to only do your roofing wood work. When you now want to do ceiling, you will spend extra more doing the nogging first.

2. Fibre cement come in different sizes.

3. Apart from Nigerite, there are other fibre cement boards imported into Nigeria. There is also Eminite as well.

4. Price?

I'm currently not on ground in Nigeria, so I don't know the current price but see above [quote author=VanuatuWycombe post=129798458]


From @VanuatuWycombe post, a 6mm board should be about 1.24mm x 2.44mm in size. This is about 3m2 (3 square meter). If the price is N13,300, this translate to about N4, 400 per square meter.

Mind you, POP installation cost about N8,000 per square meter ALL INCLUSIVE. This tells you that with hard bargain and proper planning, you can deliver fibre cement ceiling for about half the cost (or just above) of POP and far, far better than PVC or Polystyrene.

5. Does it require special installation?
Everything in Nigeria is a rocket science requirement but to be honest, your carpenter can do this. Just screw the board to your nogging. It is called ceiling boarding. Joint the gaps (if this is your thing) and paint. Shikena!

So instead of PVC or Polystyrene, one can do POP in the living room and then fibre cement in the rooms. This works. Or spend a bit more use fibre cement to do the design you want in the living room and the clean straightforward design in the rooms.

UPDATE
SInoma Price:

6mm 1220 x 2440mm. That is 3 square meter for N10,500. This translates to N3,500 per square meter.

POP is about N8000 per square meter ALL INCLUSIVE. Fibre cement is half the price of POP. Say no to PVC or Polystyrene.

Jokay07:
My
This firber cement board, is it different from the regular old abestos we used to use?

Yes it is different. It is thicker and made mainly from cement mixed with fibre. The fibre infused and thickness means you can work it into organic designs without it breaking easily.

The old asbestos is made purely to a large extent from asbestos which causes cancer. It is so slime (about 0.5mm), that it is difficult to work into organic designs without the risk of breakage. You can only achieve geometric designs (four corner).

However, in terms of FINISHED product, yes they are both the same.

lorhema:


Good morning Diordaves.
Please do you know of motorised drilling rigs in Ikorodu, like the Indians operate elsewhere?

Thanks for your response.

Good afternoon, Madam Honourable. I don't know of any even in the whole of Lagos. I'm not sure, but I think the South West is serviced by the Ibadan drillers.

SurveyorLAS:
Do you handle this, if yes pls let discuss, I im involve in a project in which we are considering ceiling type to be use

I'm not a contractor. I'm just a developer on the side.

michlins:
we come to where the work wants us.

Abuja is a city I actually want to explore

We dey plan something for Warri that is right up your alley after the raining season. By God's Grace.

Beframia:

There's this option of using plaster board/gypsum board. Do you have any idea about its usage or is it the same as fiber cement?

Yes, there is also the option for plaster board and gypsum board. Materials wise, plaster board and gypsum board are the same thing to be honest. It is just nomenclatures and semantics. But cement fibre board are remarkably different. These are FINISHED products that offer quick, simple installation.

With cement fibre board, all you need do is your nogging. Take your fibre board and screw it (or follow the manufacturers' recommendation) to your noggings. Joint it and then paint with your choice of colour. Shikena!

Fibre cement offers a quick simple installation at a fraction of the cost in relation to POP installation and gypsum/plaster board. Two people working can complete ceiling boarding a standard 3 bedroom bungalow in one day ready for painting.

Nomyth:


This is really impressive.

Hope the price difference with POP is substantial.

And hope the money saved on POP will not be spent on wood?

For a clean, simple straightforward design, fibre cement consumes less wood.