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randomperson:
It's not bad for the worm but bad for the child...

randomperson:
Because a worm eating a child's eye is bad...

randomperson:
This is the question, could god have created both the child and the worm without making it necessary for the worm to harm the child... The answer should be yes, if God is omnipotent. If yes, then why didn't he do so...

randomperson:
I never said so...

randomperson:
A system where the worm has to feed on an important eye to survive is not perfect.

Benblaq:
Martin Luther, while he was stl a catholic priest loved Mary and askd her to pray for him..He wrote these lovely words in his commentary on the magnificat which is MARY's song of joy in Lk. 1:46-55. He begins:
"Mary the tender mother of God herself get me the spirit of wisdom, so i cn clearly explain this song of hers. May Christ grant me dis, through the intercession of his dear mother Mary

randomperson:
U are just proving my point... The worm's life is important, the child's eye is important... A system where the worm has to feed on an important eye to survive is not perfect. That's the system god created, god is not perfect...

randomperson:
It was the problem of evil exactly that I was arguing before...
Picture this: a worm burrowing into the eye of a 4 year old, who goes blind because of that... How on earth is that right or good

Benblaq:
God creatd Mary. bt d chIld Jesus is truly man and truly GOD ..God frm eternity, man frm d moment she cnCeivd Him..He is one persn, both God and man. She is the Mother of God..

randomperson:
The question is not non sequitur...
If God could have sustained life without creating the Eye- eating worm, then he is not a good god... If the creation of the Eye- eating worm is necessary for God's creation to work then god is not infinitely powerful...
The argument of necessary evil is incompatible with an omnipotent god... Evil will not be necessary for god if he's truly omnipotent

randomperson:
Does god have the power to sustain life without the eye-eating worm?

KingEbukasBlog:
I have told you that as at 1996 in Mensa only 3 percent of Mensa members are atheists . Mensa is an organization of people with high IQ .

But IQ does not actually define intelligence totally . Because here's social intelligence and there's emotional intelligence.

The greatest minds were theists and deists from the Ancient Greeks to the medieval age to the modern time . It has all been theists and deists

Albert Einstein , Max Planck , Leonardo Da Vinci I can go on and on and on

I also discovered that the grandmasters in Chess have high IQs and they are very religious too .

randomperson:
God is benevolent because he made conditions which support life... What about the things made by god which don't support life... Like the Eye- eating worm, tsunamis, the organism that causes anencephaly... It's double standard to ascribe the good things to god and ignore the ugly ones...

randomperson:
God is benevolent because he made conditions which support life... What about the things made by god which don't support life... Like the Eye- eating worm, tsunamis, the organism that causes anencephaly... It's double standard to ascribe the good things to god and ignore the ugly ones...

And so in order to avoid infinite regress, we assume the creator is the uncaused cause... That's not logic, it's assumption

randomperson:
Really?? So God= the creator= the first cause?? Assumptions, all of 'em.
If God is simply the creator, then we can't automatically attribute properties like benevolence, omniscience or omnipotence to him. There's no rule, scientific or logical that says the creator is good or all powerful.

Also equating the creator with the first cause or uncaused cause is a leap of faith... The uncaused cause could have created the creator of the universe

DoctorAlien:
THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF AN INFINITE REGRESS IN TIME PRECLUDES AN ETERNAL UNIVERSE

If we are to assume that the universe never began to exist:

1. The universe has always been.

2. Therefore it is infinitely old.

3. Therefore an infinite amount of time has elapsed before today.

4. But day infinity of the universe couldn't have been reached(since any day you choose to call day infinity has an infinite number of days stretching behind it, and the universe has to pass those days before it gets to day infinity, just as we have to pass through today before we get to tomorrow).

5. The day after day infinity couldn't have been reached either. Neither could the day after that.

6. Therefore today couldn't have been reached.

7. But today has been reached.

8. Therefore the process of reaching it was not infinite.

9. Therefore the universe began to exist.

dalaman:
The universe began to exist has not been established. It is NOT a scientific fact.

dalaman:
In the 4 percent that has been observed only about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000001 allows and permits life. Too in signification be considered as anything of value. The universe isn't design to be life permitting because majority of the universe destroys life. Life as we know it will be automatically terminates in most parts of the observable universe.

dalaman:
If everything is permissible there will be chaos in the society.

Ranchhoddas:
Boko Haram does not consider it immoral.

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Is it moral to eat pork?

dalaman:
How can everything be permissible? Morality by definition doesn't allow for everything to be permissible.

KingEbukasBlog:
But an eternal universe does not actually refute the existence of God

God and the universe could have co-existed eternally (eternal cause-effect) . But that'll make God look like an impersonal God .

dalaman:
The question is, is morality objective. The answer is no.

Morality is a feature and invention of humanity. We must make moral codes of conduct. If morality were objective then every member of our species would share and agree to the the same moral values. But it is a fact that we do not share the same moral values at all. There’s clearly a lack of moral consensus amongst human so how is morality objective when morality varies from society to society and in history?

Kilian g people indiscriminately actually stands against the God of the bible as the source of human morality. If you read the bible you'll see God commanding that people be killed indiscriminately.

dalaman:
Objective moral values and duties do not exist, so God does not exist. Argument debunked.

dalaman:
Objective moral values and duties do not exist, so God does not exist. Argument debunked.

Vanceastro:
How is time important to cause and effect?
If I throw a stone at you and there no time difference the stone would already hit you at the same time I pick the stone.
Now can you say I threw the stone at you seeing that the stone had already hit you before I even threw it?

Vanceastro:
you said something about the universe not being infinite OLD IN TIME. I am asking in what time dimension is that comparison taking place, in the same time dimension that collapses some 14 billions years ago? Smh

Vanceastro:
Again cause and effect requires time which doesn't exist before the universe. So again the universe did not begin to exist.

Also ya 9-point argumeny fails because you assume the Universe exists within a TIME DIMENSION. Actually it's the other way round. SPACE&TIME are dimensions are exist within this universe. Shikena.

KingEbukasBlog:
Stephen Hawkings and so many cosmologists have admitted that the universe began to exist

The atheists are the ones who are redefining "nothing" and claiming the univese created itself (logical absurdity) .

There are so many new inventions like the world ensemble , the ekpyrotic universe all have been debunked .

Vanceastro:
lol so you can't conceive of a spaceless, timeless universe, but you appreciate a spaceless, timeless creator? You see anything that applies to this Universe applies to God.

Vanceastro:
ETERNAL still implies a time dimension. A universe with no spacetime is not eternal, but TIMELESS

taurus25:
You cannot isolate the the emergence of space and time from the existence of a singularity.

If space-time begun, then there was a singularity. And with this singularity being essentially the universe in a quatum scale
, it's emergence is unaccountable, therefore the singularity (quantum universe) always was.

DoctorAlien:
The universe began to exist! The amount of energy in it is finite, and so for the singularity(whatever that is) to be there eternally is impossible. It would have used up the finite amount of energy a long time ago, thus preventing the universe from existing.

Moreover, where was the singularity since all the space we know today came from it?