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lexy2014:
did I ask you whether it was God or your neighbour that was speaking?

are you saying you have no idea what Malachi 3:11-12 before you quoted it?

or did you not ask God before you quoted it?

pls what is the meaning of "blessing" in Malachi 3 that you quoted?

if you dont pay your tithe, are you saying all these things you mentioned will not happen for you?

are the above from verse 10-12 the reason for tithing?

God Himself was speaking there. Even a primary school pulpil can discern that.

So ask Him.

Michael547:
You mean that after Jesus dies and resurrected, no one continued his ministry?
His disciples that continued his ministry, did they say that tithe was a must?

His disciples cannot negate his pronouncements. We are all expected to obey.

Michael547:
Oga where did Jesus or his disciples say that tithe was compulsory for Christians?
Kindly show me where the sabbath day was updated.

There were no christians when Jesus was around and His pronouncement on the matter before his death and resurrection is enough for the disciples to follow along with us christians.

Michael547:
So why are you not following all the laws of moses....why are you concerned only about tithe.......why are you not concerned about Christians Obeying the sabbath day?

Because some of the laws of Moses got updated. We follow the updated versions. Tithe was never updated.

Michael547:
I never said tithing was stopped for us.....kindly show me where Jesus or his disciples said that a Christian must pay tithe. That is my concern.

After Jesus died and was resurrected, did his disciples who continued his ministry say that Christians must pay tithe?

There were no christians when Jesus was around. His Word is enough to direct us.

lexy2014:
pls what is the meaning of the highlighted?

if you dont pay your tithe, are you saying all these things you mentioned will not happen for you?

are the above from verse 10-12 the reason for tithing?

God Himself was speaking there

You can ask him

Michael547:
Is this verse referring to Christians or the isrealites who were under the law of moses?

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Michael547:
He said so because the law of moses required it from the scribes and Pharisees and other isrealites who were under the law of moses.

so show me where Jesus himself or his disciples required Christians to pay tithe.

All scriptures apply to us just as we partake in Abraham's blessings etc etc

If tithing was not stopped for the Pharisees and Scribes, why should it be stopped for us

Also, there were no christians when Jesus was around.

Michael547:
Kindly show me a verse that says that a Christian who tithes must be material wealthy along with health, wellness, wholeness etc etc?

Malachi 3:10-12
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

Michael547:
Why are you twisting a context. I have asked you this question. Please answer.
Was Jesus not referring to 'what they ought to have done' according to the law of moses in which the scribes and Pharisees were under?

Are we under the law of moses today after Jesus death and resurrection?

And he said they should not the leave the tithing which they had been doing undone as well which is why I bolded that portion of the scripture.

Michael547:
🤣🤣🤣....so you see that you only see one aspect of life due to your prejudice....I put it to you that people who pay tithe or not all have the same blessing. There is no difference.

Again, that is debatable or uncertain.

But what is undebatable/sure is that a tither MUST prosper.

Michael547:
In the law of moses, tithe was a must....show me where Jesus or any of his disciples said that tithe continued to be a must for Christians after his death and resurrection.

Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Whether before of after the resurrection is inconsequential.

Michael547:
So if I don't pay tithe, will I prosper in material wealth along with health, wellness, wholeness etc etc?

That is not my call.

What I am sure of is that a tither MUST prosper.

Not surprised

Michael547:
Thank you.....going by this your analogy, why are you not Obeying all the laws of moses as recorded In the old testament, why are you only focused on tithe?

Some of the laws of Moses got updated. So we now follow the updated version. Tithe wasn't updated.

Michael547:
You should have an answer to those questions.


Apart from material wealth, what is prosperity all about? If I don't pay tithe, will I be prosperous apart from material wealth?

I can't.

What I know for sure is that a tithe MUST prosper. The events are NOT mutually exclusive.

O, asides material prosperity, you can prosper in health, wellness, wholeness, etc etc

FCT governor

I hope it's the basic salary sha

Michael547:
Thank you.....was Jesus not referring to 'what they ought to have done' according to the law of moses in which the scribes and Pharisees were under?

Are we under the law of moses today after Jesus death and resurrection?

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Michael547:
Lol you are so funny.....if a tither must prosper, does that not show that all poor genuine Christians are not tithers?
The genuine Christians that are not tithers and are prosperous, How did they become prosperous? Explain.

Maybe you can ask them.

What I know for sure is that a tither MUST be prosperous.

And prosperity is NOT always about material wealth.

Krismas:
just look at what u wrote, nothing in it is correct! which is very characteristic of supporters of israel. extremely ignorant, can u take a N50k bet that russia is not controlling a part of Germany? just bet if e sure for u

Let me concede on that. What else is wrong in my post?

Who pass you pass you abeg.

Isreal is your master

Michael547:
So kindly show me where Jesus said we must pay it?

Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

That's if our greedy, unpatriotic and desperately corrupt businessmen/marketers don't divert a large percentage of our products to neighbouring countries to make more money after having enjoyed subsidies at the point of purchase.

The truth is that Nigerians are too desperately corrupt, greedy and unpatriotic to enjoy subsidies

Michael547:
So why are you not following all the commandments given to the isrealites? Why are you concerned only about tithe?

The commandment concerning tithe did not expire

Jesus did NOT stop the payment of tithe.

Michael547:
Lol......so all poor genuine Christians are not paying tithe? If yes, Can you explain how some genuine Christians who are not paying tithe are prospering?

There is no place for 'all' in this debate.

If you are a tither, you MUST prosper! The word of God is clear.

Michael547:
Ok....Is it every genuine christian that prospers that pays tithe?

Not every genuine christian. But you cannot be a faithful tither and not prosper!

Krismas:
Thousands killed by pager? u are just trolling. since morning now, hezbollah has fired over 200 missiles into israel. how can ur natanyahu disarm them? what u call facts on the ground are complete zionist LIES! 16IDF died yesterday in lebanon, that's the reality. and over 40% IDF reservists are resigning. continue believing all israeli fabrications.
Germany more prosperous than russia? German population increasing while russia shrinking? complete nonsense! Russia is still occupying a part of Germany till date. And russia is more populous prosperous than Germany.
Thaks and bye

You are just pulling feel-good news from thin air.

Face the facts on ground. Thousands were injured by the pager explosions. Some died.

Check the population of Germany between 1945 and today and compare it Russia's.

Also, google Germany and Russia's GDP before coming here to type BS. Russia controls nowhere in Germany!

Your muslim brethren are being wiped out. Stop cheering them to extinction.

Ogbeni dake jor

obaidan:
whatever makes u sleep at night

That's the fact. Jesus is the only WAY.

Michael547:
Lol....so paying tithe is what makes someone a Christian and guarantees one to heaven?

That's not the point.

Christians should not reckon with unbelievers who are prospering. That's the point.

obaidan:
Ok so na people wey Wan make heaven dey pay tithe?

Only christians pay tithe

Only christians intend to make heaven

Krismas:
didnt i tell you, u are not following the conflict? the DMZ is actually inside Israel. about 40km inside israel from the border is completely cleared out.
as for Hezbollah's lifes mattering, there is no better life, than to stand against oppression. this is what Africans like yoursef do not understand, which is why you continue to be slaves to other nations on the earth, since the slave trade.
Russia civilians may still be reeling from WW2 but Germany is far worse off from many stand point. and just like Israel will be down the line. cos every single life israel is taking now, is sure bet that her days in the middle east is coming to an end. Israel will not live very long in that place. its a certainty, reinforced by all her wicked ways, and wanton destruction of innocent lives which mumus like yoursef think is great. Hezbollah could also have been on a civilian killing spree. but the difference btw light and darkness is easily noticeable by their refusal to engage in such folly.
nasarallah is not particularly a combatant and hezbollah has killed very important figures in israel as well, which the cowardly zionist conceal so dont glory too much in killing nasrallah. and dont deflect from the fact that all Israel does is bomb residentials and civillian infrastructures like schools, hospitals churches mosques etc in lebanon. Israeli are not returning anywhere until the war in gaza cease and israel give up lebanese lands in sheeba farms it occupies. and after such bitter humanitarian, concessions, should Israel make them, Oct7 will not fail to happen again, few years down the road. until a Palestinian state is realized

You are still not facing the facts on ground.

Southern Lebanon is being cleared out with Hezbollah begging to abide by the UN resolution 1701 - relocating to beyond the Litani river. The contentious issue now is Netanyahu insisting he can unilaterally act within Lebanon at will - to stop Hezbollah from rearming I guess. That mean Lebanon would lose it's sovereignty.

Isreali government told its citizens to leave northern Isreal so they could be out of harm's way in their annihilation of Hezbollah. Yet some Israelis remain in northern Israel till this moment.

Israel has killed thousands of Hezbollah fighters and wiped out all their key figures and will still kill more. Nasrallah was a fighter before he became a leader. He lived underground all his life until he eventually died underground

What of the thousands that were killed/rendered impotent in the walkie-talkie explosions

Mention one notable Isreali official that has been killed by Hezbollah. Just one. Nobody can conceal such a high profile killing. Netanyahu has many enemies within who will do anything to discredit him. They will gladly use it against him.

Germany's population keeps increasing while Russia's keeps shrinking. Germany is more prosperous than Russia today.

Continue cheering your muslim brethren to their ultimate end.

Southern Lebanon and Northern Gaza have are becoming DMZ. That is Netanyahu's only condition for a ceasefire.

Isreal will overcome all their enemies.

Who pass you pass you

Chucks13:
Under fire over what?

Us I Tithe that made Dangote the richest Black man? Is it Tithe that make Gej the president? Is it Tithe that make Otti the governor of Abia?

Not only under fire na nder water you for kukuma call it. Yes Becky is a Yahoo girl oya come fight me.

Are they christians

Do they intend to make heaven