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Yes!!! WE GOT LILLE!!!

I hope we don't draw Bayern or Madrid. We rarely do well when we get tough draws in the round of 16.
This away goal rule they've scrapped won't do us any favors. We really benefitted from it.

Segedinho:
Why was he chosen as the first choice ahead of every other person
If robben had scored the penalty vs Chelsea..

I don't think they would have ended up with red eyes after the final whistle

Maybe him dey cook food for tuchel, put juju.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Okay

Jorginho is the best player in the team. Infact, he should be considered for Ballon d'Or next year

This would make you happy now, right? [/color]

Well, 3rd place already makes me happy. He has joined a very small elite group of footballers. European player of the year, another bonus.
It's happiness for jorginho all around this year.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]It is you guys that exaggerate his abilities. Na Una dey indirectly bring am for dragging
Rudiger won us penalties, but you guys have quickly taken the glory to Jorginho.
In the last few pages, someone said Jorginho was instrumental to our UCL win. Can you imagine?
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Excuse me Bros, as rudiger won the penalty, if we miss the penalties, would we win the match?
This is a simple something. Somebody scored 2 crucial penalties for us to win an important match, but hate no gree una commend am.
When we do, it now means we're setting him up for dragging. una Weldon oo.

Ibime:
Like I say, your contributions leave a lot to be desired.

When was the last time Kante played DM for Chelsea? Yet you rather believe the website than your own eyes. Try engage your own thinking faculty sometimes than mortgage it to others.
Even under Conte, Matic was the one sitting, while Kante drive forward.

Maybe because you are engaged in many talking points, you are now typing more than thinking.
Take a break man, it's needed.

I responded to somebody who says we have no natural DM in our team, when in fact we do.
Kante has always be known for his defensive duties, never for his underwhelming attacking instincts. We started seeing him play more in an attacking role when sarri came. He still plays his role of DM for France till today.
I normally do not like engaging in needless arguments which usually happens in football talks.

I like to argue to learn, but for something as opinionated as football where everybody has a half-baked opinion on issues,I choose to refer to agreed authorities, in this case, professionals or reputable footballing sites, so as to cut the argument short.

Eg, If you're saying Alonso is primarily a left back and I'm saying Alonso is primarily a left wing back, it's natural to default to an authority both of us agree upon to find a common ground. That's not "someone else doing thinking for you". It's common sense.

Again, I responded to someone saying we have NO DM in the squad. Is kante not a DM?

Ibime:
No he hasn't. Drinkwater sat more at Leicester. Kante has too much energy to sit.

First time I ever saw Kante play at Leicester was even on the left wing. I commented on this thread that very day how impressed I was.

We have all major footballing sites citing kante as a natural defensive midfielder but Ibime tells me that kante is not a defensive midfielder. Okay.

Ibime, please can you tell me what position kante plays for France?
Infact I don't even know how I carry myself enter this argument again.

thorrvik55:
Jorginho is the only natural DM in the team so that's understandable..

Shebi you know kante has actually played most of his career as DM before sarri changed him?

ixyi:
When ur Jorginho gave a goal away to manU, why wasn't he capable of also turning the game around then handing Chelsea victory¿ It took the heroics of Silva to salvage us a point.
Even Chilwel n Alonso who gave away penalties were able to redeem themselves.

I see how you masterfully dodged mentioning jorginho scoring the equalizer.

As I said, when there is hate, there is hate.

See as all of you are now trying to minimize the importance of good penalty taking, simply because he's very good at it. Forgetting that we've lost important games and trophies in the past on penalties.

I repeat, jorginho brings more to the team and he will be here for a long time. So get used to it. This team has with jorginho has won 2 European cups and we've played in 5 cup finals, chasing 5 cups right now. Support our players, not condemn condemn every time.

Ibime:
Why not hear from Jorginho agent rather than rumour mongers. The agent has been begging Marina since July and threatening that other clubs are interested. I'm sure in Marinas mind, she was hoping the other clubs materialise a bid so she can get rid of an unwanted asset. We are in December and Marina refused to pick his call.

I do expect Chelsea to open contract talks later for window dressing purposes but on their terms with not much will to push for it, hoping to force a transfer next summer.

If you have been at a club 4.5 years and they have never felt your performance is worth upping your salary to keep other interested parties at bay, or haven't started talking to you with 18 months to go, you should know you are not really wanted.

Like a boyfriend who refuse to discuss engagement with you after 4.5 years, even your village people will tell you to get sense.

This is jorginho's agent saying him and marina has spoken about renewing the contract.

Meanwhile talking about contracts.
We have Ibime here, a confirmed Chelsea insider telling us that Chelsea want to offload jorginho.

But on the other hand we have Fabrizio Romano, a nobody in football and fake news peddler telling us that Chelsea have opened talks with jorginho to renew his contract. I didn't know who to believe.
Is our God not a living God??

AnfieldFan:
We've conceded 12 goals in the league while Chelsea have conceded 11..
Liverpool have 9 clean sheets in the league this season as opposed to Chelsea's 7 so maybe our defense isn't so bad...

What of champions league and other competition?
My guy, both this season and last season, you guys defense has been absolutely terrible. No be una Aston villa wire 7 goals abi na 8.

Meanwhile half of Chelsea goals this season has come in the last 4 games, so one could say it's an anomaly. Don't compare my defense to yours. Throughout the year we've been better.

BlueMann:
Jorginho dey kolet am hot today

Nothing hot hot. Just unnecessary wailing that will lead to nothing thereafter.

After all these, jorginho has already made his name in football. The rest na shalaye.

nihilistjnr:
Manyoo game was before Watford and Westham.

Maybe we should ask Tuchel.

Shebi you know jorginho did not play against Watford?

raumdeuter:
I think you guys are making too much of this particular Man Utd incident

It was a simple miscontrol which many players have done at some point in time, Many are fortunate that opponents are not hounding them fiercely and got away
If this situation long ball to Jorg happened 10 times He probably controls perfect 6 times, he miscontrol 4 times and of those 4 times, 2 no opponent will be near to punish

I see say you get strength this night. You are taking people that are highlighting that particular incident serious.
Jorginho's criticism is not constructive. It's illogical.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I am sure that if it was Fabinho that misplaced that pass, he would have fouled Sancho immediately, and taken the card for it. Even Kante or Kova would do the same. But look at him standing there.
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Guy stop making blank statements like these. It's tiresome already.

Every single player makes mistakes. Is this not the Liverpool that concedes goals in baskets but make up for it in attack

Was kante not here when we struggled badly under conte, lampard, Sarri etc?
I am tired of these kind of talks, one error does not make a player. Jorginho brings far more to the team than he costs. Just like any top player.
Many man-u complain that in as much as Ronaldo scores goals, he doesn't contribute to the overall gameplay. Would you say Ronaldo is terrible and should not play again?

Kimbeast:
Try to rewatch the goal again on YouTube for the full clip. You can see Jorginho already tried stretching to poke the ball away which put him of balance. Watch the clip here

Kim, no need arguing this thing again.
A mind made up is a mind up. Is this not an issue we've been going back and forth on for months now?? Here we are less than 24 hours after jorginho has actually won us a game still debating his usefulness to the team. I'm exhausted.
I have long since resigned to the fact that jorginho will continue to play for us for a while irrespective of how long his haters still drag him. No need exchanging words further. Just rest.

nihilistjnr:
Ideal DMs in life? Or DMs I like right now?

Right now.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Person lose ball, still stand there...

Sometimes, when people defend this guy vehemently, I start to wonder if it's another Jorginho I watch.

Not to take anything away from his success, but that guy no be am.

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This is not a problem of being press-resistant, but one of miscontrol and pace. Errors like these are rare, as I said earlier graphics like these are selective. I could also post a gif of jorginho evadeing pressure and people would say, he doesn't do it consistently enough, but at the same time highlight this error for it to seem like it's a staple feature of his game.

Ibime and nihilist, who are your ideal DM's?

popizaino:
Why is it always Read! Read!! and Read!!! and not watch? Can't you refer us to moment, instances or matches were we can see this things they talk about him happening? Is there something they don't want us to see? And pls, where did you see the emboldened?

If I could process gifs, I would do that, to show you these things in action.
Secondly, I'm highlighting these coaches, because I always want to emphasize that 3 of the best coaches in the world cannot all be wrong about a player..
Jorginho's role is not one that can be judged by stats like goals and assists, because dictating the tempo of the game is indeed being done by passing the ball and maintaining the structure of team. Ie, directing players where they pass and also fill in spaces some of these are intangible.

Ibime you are showing us selective stats and that's just disingenuous of you.
Jorginho is our highest passer in the team.

You have been shouting 30 passes, 30 passes, when in actually he's averaging double of that sometimes giving as much as 80.
Ibime fear God na.

Could the 2 of you stop this rubbish and speak like Human beings?

Ibime:
If he is press resistant, he won't be dropping 30 passes a game against good opposition, hiding behind players like he does when game is tough and passing belle-face back to where it came from.

You can't be press resistant and dropping 30 passes, simple.

Ibime, let me ask you this, do you disagree with the qualities Tuchel has used to describe jorginho below??
I have given you excerpts of the best coaches in the world outlining this player's qualities.
Do you disagree with the 3 of them?

Tuchel has highlighted his excellent reading of the game and dictation of the tempo of the game.
Mourinho has highlighted his ability to withstand pressure with the ball. {Being press resistant}.
Guardiola highlights jorginho's impressive passing with the ball and ability to evade pressure.

All these are key elements to today's type of positional play.
Why do you keep contradicting all of them?
Why do you keep saying jorginho is not press resistant counter to what every other person is seeing?

I am not good at creating gifs if not, that may have helped to visually counter Your point, but then again, people usually are very selective in using it, seeing as it usually doesn't tell the whole story.

As to your point Ibime, jorginho is infact press resistant. You keep repeating this lie over and over again. He does make good half-turns to evade pressure or uses short passes to evade the press.
He's also very good at giving accurate long passes and has a good eye for the pass.
Just try to watch him with an unbiased mind.

Also, I implore you to read this article below, it might help in better understanding jorginho's strength and what he brings the team.

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-jorginho-tuchel-non-negotiable-chelsea

Ibime:
This is the sort of take that sounds intelligent but really is not.

I thought we just spoke about this? insulting one's intelligence while making your point. Hmm.

Maximilan:
Been a legend of a club shouldn’t be something to be argued over, the incessant arguments not just here but everywhere proves otherwise, he’s not popular among the Chelsea fan base or even to our rivals, haven’t seen an opposition fan wanting Jorginho in their team, while I might agree he’s slightly overly criticized here he’s not also ‘all that’ he’s been termed here. As for the club I don’t think he’s surpassed Mikel’s contribution to CFC

I agree, he hasn't done enough for us yet. I'm saying, in general.
The truth is I'm not even his biggest fan. As I've said before, I rarely fan players. My favorite player right now could arguably be Mendy or maybe James.
I'm just being backed into a corner, having to defend this misunderstood player.
I see his contribution to game, I notice the difference when he is in the team and when he's not.
I subscribe to the opinions of the best managers and some players about this guy. So I'm flustered when people choose to scapegoat him because it's easy to.

Maximilan:
Jorginho went from underrated to overrated in the space of 6 months, It’s best to observe for another six months to see what he’ll become and hopefully he leads us to our first EPL title in a while and gains legendary status at the club.

He has already done this. To be the 3rd best player while playing with us underlines this. He will always always be remembered for this.

amodu:
It is well.

How I wish our present crops of attackers are reliable as Drogba.

The trio of Joshua King, Ismaila Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis have scored 17 goals for Watford in the league this season.

I am actually perturbed at our attackers impotence.

Likewise, I wish our attackers would start scoring goals more often. The defenders and midfielders have shouldered that burden for far too long.

Ibime:
All good bro, but you are lying about DD

From April 2009 precisely, I became an unquestionable Drogba fanatic, and that was the day of our FA Cup semifinal against Arsenal. Any criticism you see after that can only be in the context of an individual match.

That doesn't mean I have hated Drogba all through. I was a fan of his 2005 to 2006 even though I was aesthetically unpleased with his first touch, he was a one man pressing machine, and that was when Football was transitioning to one striker formation and nobody could provide that target point like him. In 2007, he scored lots of goals but started becoming lazy to press anywhere like he did in 2005-2006. In 2008 and 2009, he was not pressing, he was unfit most of those seasons, his bad touch returned and not scoring either. Plus he was campaigning to leave Chelsea. That's when I unleashed on him.
We like to view our hero's with rose tinted spectacles. It is only those with lived and detailed experience that can give you the intricate details. I have long memory and hold long term accountability for players. Players like Azpi, Lampard, Kante, Lewandowski, Messi, Ronaldo are players you pay salary and guarantee to get your money's worth every season. Others like Drogba took many seasons off, despite how you want to romanticise him now, however he has been an unqeustionable legend for me since 2009. Reason you don't see me speaking romantically about Diego Costa. Even though some romanticise about him now, I am more likely to remember he only played 1.5 good seasons and was shocking for the other 1.5, and I am neutral on him for that reason. Same with Fabregas who only played 1 good season, or half if you want to get technical. I am not a celebrate the moment type of person, I am one for full accountability.

Drogba is an unquestioned legend of mine, but don't question why someone will not be happy with him as of 2009 when he had only posted one good goalscoring season in 5 years. The numbers don't lie. Drogba took many seasons off.

Well, it's good that you've ultimately come around to the idea of him being our legend.
After all is said and done, you do agree that Drogba is a legend in the game. That's good.

Now let's talk iniesta, one of the finest midfielders of his generation who for the past 10 years plus you have consistently berated. Iniesta, also a legend in the game. Have you come around to him?
Are you still dug iinto your position of him being overrated? Do you still stand on your position that iniesta is vastly overated?

airmark:
Even TT knows Jorginho is slow. We need someone faster by summer, so that the defence will enjoy more protection.

Who doesn't know he's slow. Did you not see the follow up sentence of how he makes up for that?
Is busquet not slow? Is Xabi alonso not slow, is pirlo not slow? Is mascherano not slow? Is ozil not slow? Don't all these players have qualities that overqualify them for their roles?