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buikem2:
Yes... I call anybody who kills an unborn baby in the womb a terrorist. You have problem with that?

Never said Islam is terrorist. Won't ever say that.

# The decision of terminating a pregnancy lies on the carrier/owner.

# If a pregnancy is terminated (early stage pregnancy), there is nothing terrorist in it, the foetus can't survive on it own and it is not a murder case in many countries except country that's against abortion.

D'banj disappointed me, if truly that's his verified Facebook page because I don't think D'banj post stuff on Facebook, I only know of Instagram and Twitter.

dtzarkov1:
keyword

Are they not Muslims? Or they fell from the sky?

Is this suppose to be question?

Yes it's, you said Quran told you to reply with word of peace if someone criticize your faith and I ask doesn't the same Quran criticize and insult non-believers and thier Gods?

how many?

Muslims generally, especially Muslim scholars and sheikhs.

Yea.. the quran also state that we should fast, does that means we are to fast every single day of our life? No, every action a respective occassion

Fast for what? How does this related to punishment in Sharia?

you just called it public take a glass of water, don't stress ur lobes too much

English you no understand.
I said religion being a private affair is what we want but it's not, e.g Preachers, religious buildings, religious violence, religious practice etc are these private affairs?

get closer to Allah, you will find out..

I'm once a Muslim so I was very close to Allah.

dtzarkov1:
my religion don't kill for God.

What about the Muslim terrorist who are they killing for?

my religion teaches me to respond critics with word of peace.. Q25:63

Lol, is it not the same Quran criticizing and insulting non-believers and thier Gods?

Why do many Muslims criticize non-muslims?

homosexuals are punished according to the law of the respective countries

Homosexuals are to be killed according to Sharia, yes I'm also against countries punishing Homosexuals but the Sharia is more barbaric when it comes to it punishment, Islam that suppose to be merciful to mankind are killing people because of thier sexual orientation.

there is no compulsion in my religion

Yes ofcos there is no compulsion in your religion, Quran stated that and Quran also stated killing unbelievers.

but you lots often use the keyword "your religion should be your private affair"

Yes religion should be ones private affair(that's what we want) but look around you does religion look private affair?

“We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)

Why did Allah want to test what he created? To archieve what exactly?

dtzarkov1:
I am getting confused here!

NEWS: GAY minister elected in Location X...
Muslim person says: "Oo that's awful, attracting the wrath of God"
Non-religious: "Lol! your imaginary friend right? religous people are dumb! Stop being an hyprocrite, being Gay doesnt affect you!"

NEWS: MUSLIMS believe Muhammed is the best of mankind
Muslim person says: "Yea! we believe!"
Non-religious: ""Lol! your imaginary friend right? religous people are dumb!"

POINT: Most non-religious people are hypocrite. This is a religious thread for religious people, it doesnt affect you!. You ridicule religious people for not been tolerant to LGBT who are living their life and still come to their thread to ridicule them for believing in their God.

Pathetic to say the least...

Why not start by telling me about the religion that kill non-believers for it God?

Or the religion that can't take criticism but turn it to violence?

Or the religion that kill homosexuals?

Or the religion that kill apostates?

Religion is a public matter hope you know that.

golpen:
If you say a particular book is divine to you, that's your own problem, not mine!

It's also my problem when someone claim a man talked to ants and claim it's a divine fact without no evidence, I will have to criticize it.

Archeoloical proves of global flood? Read wide my brother. Though Islam does not subscribe that the whole of the globe was flooded, but a large part. And yes there's an archaeological fact to this truth. Google is your friend. You're also asking of historical facts to Moses and Pharaoh? I don't think you deserve this conversation in the least at all.

So the Quran didn't said the whole world was flooded?

# so what's the essence of all animals all over the world traveled to Noah's ark in the middle east?

# Why does the Quran said the gate of heaven was open and the water was poured on Earth?

# Why did Noah pray to Allah to destroy every single unbelievers on Earth?

Where does the Quran said the flood was local? Are you now confused or what?

Flood myths:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

There is no historical evidence of slaves chased by Pharaoh, no historical evidence for Moses, he's seen as legendary figure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

I will like to see your historical fact about Moses and the name of the Pharaoh and it dynasty.

In as much as you think the burden to prove is on me for making a claim, the burden to disprove is on you to debunk as well! Unless you bring a proof to that effect, your point holds nothing against my claims.

I have debunked it, that was my first post here, go back and read it. Now the burden is on you to prove Prophet Sulaiman talked to animals and vice versa. Note that the Quran is the one claiming this to be a divine fact and historical.

Again like I said proving a negative is not easy for anyone to do.

E.g I claim a flying rabbit is on a table, you trying to prove it as false will make me ask another fallacious justification to my claim like what if the flying rabbit came from the table?

The Quran was specific, about the animal prophet Sulaiman talked with. It was a bird, and so it's not prophet Sulaiman's fault if you do not have the gift to understand a bird vocal gestures.

Prophet Aesop vocally talked to ants, do you believe?

People talk to animals even long before the Quran even mention it but the Quran tries to make it a super-divine intervention.

To him, it's a gift from whatever he thinks gave it to him.

So you agree Brahma has power to give gifts?

I'll say you're just a bitterly pained wanderer, who is frustrated about his inability to discover his purpose of living (no offense), hence blames his inadequacies on a gifted prophet who lived before his forefathers.

Lol, I'm not bittered nor frustrated I am amazed at how people take myths serious, prophet Aesop and prophet Origen talked to animals, so it is no news.

My purpose of life is known to me not some mythical book dictating how I should live.

There's a clear distinction made that fables and myth were fabrications for psychological enthusiasm and were never crested to be actual facts. This is different from an actual event revealed in a divine book. If you actually believe a myth or fable to heart, Just like kids believe Snow White, then you need to be checked.

Good, why not start by telling me the historical evidence of,

# Gog and Magog

# Global flood and Noah's ark

# Moses and Pharaoh with the Splitting of sea.

# Solomon and talking ants

# Splitting of the moon

Thanks too sir.

Anytime.

Thanks sheikh.

golpen:
That is what you think brother, and I think that is the beginning of your misunderstanding of this matter. Instead, the Quran is a divine REVELATION and not a myth or folklore book. In it are revealed the histories of the past and predictions of the future. It's that simple.

There's nothing misunderstanding in my post, I'm once a Muslim so I clearly know what I'm saying.

Yes Quran is a divine revelation, So when I said "Lord of the Ring" book is a divine Revelation and not a myth or folklore, how does is it sound to you? And you talked about history, is there any historical fact about Moses and Pharaoh of the Quran, or any archaeological evidence? Any historical evidence for Gog and Magog? Any historical evidence for global flood?

Can you prove to me that they are not real? How are you going to provide an eye witness to that fact? Until you do that, your point would stand a whistle blow.

This is the funny question theist ask " can you prove they are not real", the burden of proving this is not on me as I am ignorance of thier evidence of being real, i only show they are fables, you're the one to prove they are real, all I need is evidence from you. Proving a negative is something that can't be easily done.

I believe Almighty Zeus exist, can you prove he doesn't exist? How does that sound?

Mine has a Muslim is to preach the oneness of Allah to Hindus and Buddhists and historians and scientists. If they have enough logical reasoning to ponder on facts and are lucky enough to receive guidance from Allah, then they will believe and accept the truth, but if not, sufficient for me is Allah, there's none to be worshipped except Him.

Mine as a Spaghettist is to preach oneness of Almighty flying spaghetti monster (FSM) to non-believers like you, if you have enough logical reasoning to ponder on facts in the book of Lord of the rings, Harry Potter, Game of thrones and you're lucky enough to receive guidance from Spaghetti Monster then you should believe and accept the truth, there's no none to be worshipped except him(Spaghetti Monster).

^^^See how ridiculous you and your fellow sound.

Bring forth an eye witness to say it is not true.

Proven a negative is not by burden anymore, you're the one to prove the claim.

There's a unicorn existing on the table, you trying to prove it doesn't exist will make me ask more fallacious questions.

And I'm not taking about eye witness, I'm talking about historical and archaeological evidence, at least there are archaeological evidence of dinosaurs that lived million years ago and no scientists dispute that.

Are you an atheist? I think atheist are more constructive than this... Lol. So you mean to tell me you've never seen a man speak to his dog? I sure would believe you if you told me you spoke to your chicken this morning fa.

Like I said, I said there are field of study where people study animal communicaion, the case of Prophet Sulaiman is different, he talk to animals and animals talk to him vocally in language like Mowgli in Jungle book, have you seen someone talking to a dog without studying and training the dog first? Does the dog talk back?(in vocal language).

You're so so mistaking by this point of yours bro... Go and see X Factor or America's got talent shows, you'll understand that your field of study on human-animal communication is backward!

Show me a talking goat. Even parrots that weakly talk are trained.

And about what is so special about a prophet talking to animals, I'll say that's why we so much like the prophets are believers. We appreciate every gift bestowed upon us by our Lord. For the mere fact that I speak is enough thanks to Allah, not much more to say I have a gift to speak to animals and understand them back!

An Hindu talking to animal is a gift from who?

Keep your tales to yourself, with any proof that gave you conviction over it. I'm Muslim, Islam is my identity and my religion, the Quran is my book and source of guidance from Allah.

I will say you're just a gullible muslim(no offense), you haven't reason and do more research about Islam and the Quran, you're still caged to the box of your reasoning.

There's nothing bad believing in a myth or folklore just like kids believe in snow white story but making it a divine, superior, fact, historical thing is a problem.

Thanks once again.

Thanks too sir.

golpen:
You have just succeeded in further proving that the 'pseudo-scientific' claims are valid. From all of your statements, it is appreciated that you agree that the previous tales of similar incidents are myths and fables. This is same as the tales by moonlight here in our local cultures where we listen to stories of the tortoise and the squirrel. They where just for laughs and engagements, but were agreed to be fables on the mainstream.

The Quran is not different from every other ancient myths or folklore, the myth about the ants talking was well known before the Quran came, why didn't your pseudo Muslims scientists use the stories that exist prior to the Quran as scientific miracles, the fact that the greek stories talked about ants talking then I don't see how the Quran own is different.

Can you prove to me the story of Prophet Sulaiman and ants really happened? The Jews, Christians, Muslims all copied same mythical stories of the ancients, do you think a Buddah or Hindu believes in your holy book to be real/true, do you think historians, scientists believes it to be true?

There are many myths of the ancient cheaped in the Quran, another one is Gog and Magog, global flood(Noah's ark).

Coming to the Quranic claims here, this incident of the ants and prophet Sulaiman pbuh was not a fable. It was an actual incident and prior to this time or hundreds of years after it, their had never been a scientific confirmation that such incident may be free of fairy attributes. And that is the point Muslims put forward.

Prove to me Prophet Sulaiman and ants story really happened.

Going further, if what disturbs you is that ants don't have ears, then I can help you pulling you away from science to the art of word usage. If I give you a sign not to eat a good because it's been poisoned, you'll agree that I've definitely spoken to you with my eyes and you've listened good by perfectly interpreting my gesture in a bid to save your own life.

The Quran said Sulaiman has various gifts and one of them is talking to animals like language communication, from your rational reasoning how can humans talk to animals? Will you believe me if I you told I spoke to my chicken this morning?

There are field of study that people reads how animals communicate but definitely not the type of communication revealed in the Quran or the Bible like talking to a donkey and I wonder what's so special about prophet talking to animals.

Therefore, if you look at this incident of contention very carefully, you'll understand that the Quran has not faulted in anyway or form, but we're not saying the validity of these claims should be the only bedrock of why Islam is the true religion or why the Quran is the ultimate book. These are just verses for people who have a sound mind enough to ponder about in order for them to receive guidance and eternal bliss.

Erm, So what if I told you the tales of Aesop is a divine book from a prophet of almighty flying spaghetti, how will you fault that?

Thanks.

Thanks too.

There are many myths behind animal talking to humans, something that can also be found in the Bible, like a talking donkey, talking snake.

# First of all ants don't have ears, they sense vibrations.

# Ants don't speak vocally(language), they communicate with body language like rubbing.

# There are tales/fables written about ants communicating before Islam surface e.g the Greek tales, the books by Origen tale and tales of Aesop, and I'm very sure thier stories were well known during those era. These people stories are/were not seen as divine even though they also talked about ants talking before Quran mention about it. Should we call thier book divine? If No, then why trying to smuggle the ants myth story in the Quran with science to gain what exactly? What's the difference between the Quran tale and that of Aesop tale?

Muslims should stop this pseudo-scientific claims because they're drawing embarrassment on themselves.

The post brought by the op doesn't have any proof or evidence to back it up that she was never a Christian.

The bias MOD won't see the insults and bully in this thread(rule no. 2) but will quick to see faults in another person's criticism and give uneccesary sanctions.

The unprofessional fairness need to be look into in this section.

“As a family we have had numerous meetings with Phillip but we have not been able to convince him to be faithful to his wife.

I wonder why African family tolerate men cheating behavior, imagine having a family meeting on this matter, if the case was the wife cheating, will there be family meeting or she will be called ashawo and send her packing.

It might lassa fever.

Did they do autopsy?

Nwodosis:
He tried by not blaming it on the devil!

Lol

Hmmmmm

There union will last.

And so?

Her father rocking Yoruba outfit.