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truespeak:
Restaurant is Restore-ant like Coolant!

Wow! Restaurant is actually Restoreant? wow!

orunto27:
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Thank U. U are the best.

Ah Bros, you do me too much honour!

TheSourcerer:
You all should be aware you already ruined the purpose of this thread thank you,it was never about the arguments , the arguments are not related to the question at all guys .please

Not to worry people are hungry for that which is True and the posts here provoke the need for light but also darkness too must come to spoil things.

Thank God, That He has said in the New World, Darkness would be expunged only Light and Truth will Remain. Thank you Lord!

DeusXmachina:
Ok, but you can not deny you desire a world where everyone shares your faith.

Faith means knowledge, so I would like them to share my Love For The Goods which was at the Beginning of this world and my HATRED FOR WICKEDNESS AND WRONGDOING AND EVIL WHICH CAME TO DESTROY IT AND HAS SUCCESSFULLY DESTROYED THIS LOVELY HOUSE we were put into.

And it is only consequencial that when The Owner of this House comes to see it destroyed, He Must hold those who contributed to the Destruction Accountable.

DeusXmachina:
Part of why I said you self contradict. In the previous post
"We can never know"
But now you make the assertion that we have the ability to find the truth.

Is it not the answers I supplied to 2 different issues raised
1) Knowledge of the Truth of our manufacturing.
2) "Among the hundreds of God's how do we know which of them is the True God?".

Hence, 2 different questions therefore 2 different answers must be supplied!

DeusXmachina:
You are making an assumption and projecting here. I don't have any sense of who made us, neither do I feel we were ever made.

I will not push this further but I am satisfied to know that like me and every other person out there, you did not make yourself and we already know how you got here.

DeusXmachina:
All seem to be false, stories made by people, cultures to make sense of the world and to give themselves a place in it.

Good you Truthfully said "Seem" which clearly shows that your enquiry is not certain and conclusive, but I will not press any further.

DeusXmachina:
And that's why I don't hold any deity from any faith to be true or real.
Note: I'm not saying no deity exists, I'm saying that if a deity exists it's probably not the one described by most faiths.

To hold or Refusal to Hold is One Of the Permissions/Rights granted you and no one can take it from you (if you let them that is) but I will not even attempt to interfere with it for I am a lover of Permissions/Rights!

DeusXmachina:
Well it would affect it's monetary value, and I will probably sell to the highest bidder. Jk

That would mean everyone is either lying, or everyone is telling the truth (which is unlikely).
But we can go through a process of elimination and have people making these claims to provide the purchase receipt, describe the device in detail, or present it's serial number. Something along these lines.

You obviously did not understand my question. "Laying Claim" means dragging ownership of the phone with you!

I wonder if your answer would be different from this one up there but be that as it may, I have seen and fought for many many people nearly and almost lost their own possessions, so again if the weight of the point is lost, Its lost and I can move on unlost!

DeusXmachina:
Ok let's get into the Buddhist myths.

Salvation from the eternal cycle of reincarnation.
Continued life is seen itself as suffering.

And the only way to break this cycle is through reaching enlightenment, by following the teachings of the Buddha.

hahaha hoo!
If any one was Bola Tinubu, Dangote, Dino Melaye, Warren Buffett and co, "Reincarnation would be great and welcome idea and all the Natural Fears eg Fear of Old age, Death, Suffering would be kept in abeyance.

Further, it is the Bulk Poor who hate reincarnation and would require to be delivered from it.

Now this Definitely would be unfair and unjust eternal living based on the fact a person is rich or poor, therefore, it is Imbalanced Compared to The Lord who after he has dealt with all, whether rich or poor Guarantees Eternal Life of Sweet Living for all who Qualify for it, Completely and Absolutely Dealing with All The things that we Fear, (who are actually One of His Many Servants eg, death, hell, which are Seen and Known Already not Conjectures like "reincarnation".

Therefore, God deals with Real life (as ordinary folks say) Budha deals with "novels", sci-fi and fiction.

DeusXmachina:
No, the ground of Christianity is the belief in God the flesh died for our sins, and if you have faith in him, you have a promise of eternal life and escaping damnation in the lake of fire.

Son, we own the world, thus, we have many grounds, BUT the Summation of All those Grounds As A Whole Unit Is on The Ground that we are in Trouble with Him Whose Troubles you Do Not want, if you do not want them and if you are wise to not want them.

In line with the knowledge that whose house Is Not On Fire Never Calls for Help!

And this this why we are greater than all including budha because reincarnation does not harm every one only the poor but The Lord Can Harm All whether rich or poor!

DeusXmachina:
So why did Buddha not described your God, and did not tell his followers to worship him?

If it did, would he be god-budha? Surely Not

Shall he not become Mr. budha like our Mr. Job and liable to be discountenanced? Most Assuredly I say, Most Assuredly

WoundedLamb:
Satan should swallow his pride, ask for forgiveness and save us this stress.

It's Done Already! Like there is no repentance in the grave, there is No Change of Condemnation after Condemnation!

LikeAking:
Most Sensible Religious Question?

That was a very Stupid Question and it is a Stupid Person who thinks it sensible, for

1) Forgiveness Can Not Come after Judgment and Condemnation!

2) Forgiveness is Giving In Advance (Fore-Give) Before Judgment and Condemnation.

3) Fore-Giveness is Given Already, It Must be Taken Up by he who wants it!

And this is why it is One Of The Most Stupid Questions a Fool will think to ask, rejoicing that he has asked an "intelligent" question, not knowing that as he is, it was still a Fools Question.

It is Written, "Be Excellent at What is Good, Be Innocent of evil!"

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not send His disciples out to become motivational speakers, cheerleaders, counsellors or anything of that sort. No,instead He sent them all out to preach precisely what He taught them, not even their remix or take on what He taught. Why? Because the minute you start to tweak His message, you end up in violation of His commandments/teachings, and this is the case here.

Oh twisted soul, then where is the place of edifying yourselves one to another?

DeusXmachina:
Christianity vs Islam arguments are getting stale and boring.

How about two faiths with completely different origins and mostly unrelated myths

Christianity vs Buddhism

Which is the true way to salvation?

Salvation from what?

Salvation from Who?

Why do you need salvation if you are not In Trouble just like a person whose house Is Not On Fire Never Calls for Help?

This is the ground of Christianity.

Ditto! That karma thing is Only One of our Several Species of Laws Running, Operating and Controlling the world.

So Buddha is only describing what Our God has already Prescribed and Set in Motion!

Do now you see why He is The Greatest, The Highest and The Only God, Who is God?

DeusXmachina:
I have issues with your tendency to self contradict here.

There is no Contradiction here for SURELY, you would have pointed it out.

DeusXmachina:
Bad analogy
This assumes that an iphone is sentient and capable of contemplating about it's existence and origins.

The Only Advantage you have over your phone is that You Have Been Given Permissions, what you call Rights and the phone which you made Under that Permissions Granted you, you chose not to give it Rights!

But you are Both Creations!

DeusXmachina:
By this reasoning, then even plants and animals are made from dust as they too decay and return to the earth when they die. Meaning nothing really special about humans here.

Yes, This is True!.
Man thinks too highly of himself and greatly overestimates himself!.

Everything on earth, comes from the earth and Returns to it as we have seen, Exactly What He Who is God, hath Said!

Jacksparrow7:
No 1 am not son nor your son don't call me that.
Wait so you have not done wrong in this life abi?
Let me say...I don't do shit against my neighbor. I have gone through hell over the last 2 years. Do you know how it feels to not do wrong, but someone will abuse you and then someone else will talk you to forgive them and you should change but goes to the other one's room and start gisting. And when you are healing the person does it again and again and again. Yet no one talks to that other one because of religion.
Do you Know how it feels to be called a bastard just for wanting to take little more food after you could not find your parents to ask, and you forgave the person and let the matter die. Someone will lie just for you to receive the whole blame, and they don't touch the other one...
When you ask for help the person would just disgrace you first...
See forget you don't just Know anything about life without God

All i am saying and I should say here is that if any has offended you Go To Them and Have It Out with Them and if that does not yeild good results, take another person with you.

Your problems will not stop or let me say quickly stop Unless you Stand up to them.

DeusXmachina:
Then the simple question here is who made us?
Among the hundreds of Gods that have made that assertion?

Why should I accept that's it's the Jewish God and not Prometheus?

If one can never know, then what's the point of debating and trying to convince others to your faith, since you too can never know?

For One, I Compell no one to Accept The God, Who is God of All, as He Himself compells no one. You will have to make that choice, unfettered and unhindered by yourself.

2) We have been given the ability to know, discern, discover and uncover that which is True, while I have used it to find The Truth that is True, many do not use it therefore, they never know. But I am Absolutely Certain because I strive to find the Truth as the Ground under my feet and the sky high above my head.

3) Who made us? It is as clear as day and night and you already know the answer.

The Real Question You Asked is "Who are those Laying Claims to the Ownership of Us?" And this is where if you saw and knew and understood many things (which I think you do, you would have already eliminated them all), you have seen for yourself that all of them are Liars and have No Claim over you Except The True Owner, whom you have already heard about!

And let me leave you with one Wisdom, The phone in your hand, if 1000 or even 1Million of us in Nairaland lay claim to it, would it affect anything?

Therein lies the answer!

Jacksparrow7:
You just don't have sense...get out
What do you say when the person does it for 9 years...and you have been forgiving. And now it has turned to something you can't live with.

You misunderstand me, what I was saying was that they would accuse you of your own offences but nonetheless it is your right to not suffer unjustly.

I do not support nor condone ANY Wrongdoing
of any kind so do take it up with them wisely!

Jacksparrow7:
And Mr man know the right words to say at the right time...just like one of the apostles said... don't come here and start talking about forgiveness. You people preach one and forget the other... What of Justice, equity, faith. Was not the Pharisees and Sadducees preaching but neglecting the weighter things. You better be a rational Christian

That's what I am saying son, how are you going to get just is when you too do the same which you accuse your neighbour?

Is it not Right and Just that you get what your neighbour gets since you do the same? Or do you expect The Lord to do imbalance?

That is why The Lord taught usThe Law - "Do unto others what you want done unto you,: He who wants justice, Must Do Justice and He who wants Equity Must Do Equity"!

This was the Vanguard of my Answer!

theoriginalgood:
Despite how mild or tame some animals like dogs or cats may seem, these creatures are surely bad and evil. These things live in the wild for a reason; they are dangerous and harmful to mankind.

Obviously Revelation 6:8 Got ya, no wonder this Useless Thread!

truespeak:
Commonly called Bottom Power!

Yes oh! The Power of the yansh!

theoriginalgood:
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Common sense tells that Good is the far superior power. It has been proven since the conception of time. Success only comes if things are done the right way and not the wrong way. Therefore, the ultimate or supreme creator works with the perfect power of goodness

At the bolded: This is debatable.

However your observation above is one of the Evidence of A Good God for He Has Set Good to prevail Over evil like darkness must give way to the light.

theoriginalgood:
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If he or she created anything at all, it would be good and perfect just like the creator.

Watch your "ifs"! You can not use if when you have already stated that "He made good superior to evil".

He has already made it as you have observed so how can there still be "ifs"?

theoriginalgood:
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Now what about things like animals, insects or feces? Who created those? Definitely cannot be a good creator.

It is easy to observe why feces is not good. It has a repulsive odor and a horrendously ugly appearance. This tells you that it is obviously not good.

And this is why you still need to improve your Knowings for God Made all things Good! The use of feaces is seen in farms as fertilizers which help heal the earth.

Maggots and all have their good place in this world.

Also, if the animals were not good why then do have zoos and beautiful pictures of them in our phones and all and we all go woo and waaa?

Please, child you do not yet know enough, go home and continue your observations.

theoriginalgood:
Religion teaches about God as the ultimate creator. What you have to know is that there are two major sources of power in the universe. These are Good and evil.

Let's not forget solar energy, water energy, wind energy, chemical energy, physical energy, light energy, electric energy, etc all these are also sources of power ehen, woman energy, sex energy, vagina energy all these too are major sources of power.

Your "What if" has already destroyed your thread because it means that you are not Interested in "what is" but in "what is not" which does not affect anyone only "what is'es"!

theoriginalgood:
This write-up may contain some information that is sensitive to read. It is in no way intended to offend. I want to really question the source of problems in this our world. Who or what really is the sovereign creator of all life and matter in the universe?

See, Double Different Questions in One question, so if I give you Double Different Answer would you not complain that it is not clear?

So, choose one and be properly enlightened or.endarkened as the case may go.

truespeak:
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@ Dtruthspeaker, you touched, no, you broke a nerve!

Omo see para, see banger and knockouts! She thought we would be coming to beg her as some Wrongfully did in the past to make her feel important, she obviously did not Imagine that her absence will not be noticed and that no one would beg and cajole her to stay in which she can then do all her shakara.

HellVictorinho:
Pure nonsense!!!
Atheists don't ask who created bla bla bla!!!!
You're wrong!!!!

Ahan, their posts are scattered about Nairaland!

Judybash93:
Lemme put it this way... Not collecting stamps isn't a hobby just like a lack of believe isn't a belief system. Do you understand? Or do i need to recapitulate?

please do not take it the wrong way I normally would not answer like this but I am just having fun playing the kind of games you guys used to play against Christians here, so, permit my probe.

It is quite possible that collecting stamps may not even be a hobby while it is an hobby to refuse the collection of stamps and yet either side will definitely found a belief

truespeak:
Oh Yeah!

Permissor----->Permission----->Permissee

Mmm delicious!

truespeak:
A Right is the Permission to do or not to do a thing.

Where there are Permissions, there is the Permissor (the Grantor of the Permission/Rights).

Meaning you have Rights/Permissions because it was Granted or Given to you!

And where there is a Permissor, there must be the Permited or Permissee!

Jacksparrow7:
See, let me say something. Nothing you typed makes sense

Are you saying that you have never

Offended Anyone ..
Used someone else as an example for unnecessary things ..
Deceived Another...
Caused problems for Another ...
Harmed Another...
Betrayed Another..
Made Another suffer...
Condemned Another...

Do you yourself not do all these? Where you did any of these things, then you are no different from your neighbour, you are both the same.

Heartlessbanker:
I don't believe in God.

That's fine! That is the exercise of the Permission/Rights giving you!

Thus, You have done what you please, therefore, every One who has A Right to Do what they please can come and do what they please!

It's Pleasure Time!

atheistandproud:
I have seen some dumb arguments in favor of creationism or the god concept but to argue and infer/compare intelligent people to inanimate objects such as cars and keys beats my imagination.

I'm enjoying the show.

Encore.

As long as you did not create yourself, you really have no say when Some one Who is Not like you, Claims to have made you.

That is what it means to have never created yourself like the phone and cars never created themselves, THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN POSITION TO CONTEST OWNERSHIP!

Judybash93:
Okay. Let me try to clear things out.
Atheism is not a believe system. It is a lack of believe

Therefore you believe, "IN THE LACK OF BELIEVE", which is still a belief

orunto27:
Atheists are Decidents from Athens. They are the Confused and Insane Athenians.

That's True and Uncle Paul Placed a Block of The Lord on them and they could not lift it not go over nor go under it nor go through it.

Hakeem12:
So you actually believe the first human was made from sand and the female from his rib cage. Their is scientific evidence that the first humans were black, do you admit Adam and eve were black?

The first Truth and the Highest Truth is that you and I and Everyone else Can Not Know and Can never Know how we were manufactured.

It is an impossibility because NONE of us made ourselves just like the phone in your hand can not know it's manufacturing processes.

It is Only the Creator that can validly give us that information eg Steve Jobs and co would say "I used so so chips, plastics and wires to make you iPhone", chips and plastics do not make sense to the iPhone only the wires which it can see inside.

So also the use of "Dust" can not make any sense to you.

Funny enough it is even Proven that we come from dust in that when you die, THE BODY, BONES AND ALL INDEED TURN TO DUST.

So we may never have seen the beginning but surely we have seen that the end Proves the beginning.

Hakeem12:
The lecturer - class rep analogy makes no sense in this context, we are not discussing leadership or academics, we are discussing salvation, life here and in the hereafter. One parents for example can't just say one of our siblings is their favorite, and the rest of us must emulate their life choices. Based on what? The first case of ethic discrimination began in the bible, so glaring a ten year old wouldn't miss it.

No! This is Not True and you are have been misinformed.

It is rather a case where A Father chose the Best and Worst of us, and made him an Example for both the Best and Worst things for the other children to decide which Action they would prefer, whether the best or the worsts.