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eph12:
I hope it doesn't sound insulting when I say you're boring me?

Going by your logic how is football not a game ot numbers? From the players, to the officials, football, fans, goals, cards etc. It's all numbers.

Some people would like to believe at bold that time played a role. Hello! This is festive period and people would definitely reduce the ph. Focus would be more on gh.

Any ways the system was always heading for collapse because there was no rule guiding ph. You can receive a bonus of 1 million and ph next time with 100k. That was one of the problems.

you just stated the obvious and it should be checked. I believe something will be done about it.

kYjelly2:
Thanks duchess, you too. Thanks a bunch for your contributions on this topic.

Maybe we can continue this tomorrow as I need to get to bed, so i can get up early.

Thanks also eph12 for insights into MMM.

Hopefully we can continue this back and forth and all be enlightened in one way or the other.

cheers!

sure, do have a good night rest. One thing I love about this debate is we are mature about it and every stance is welcomed. This is how graduates should debate in saner climes. Do have a good night rest

kYjelly2:
I did take the maximum contribution into consideration when I said Bill Gates could go through his associates as well, meaning if the max you can PH is say 10 million naira for instance, then he could have associates of his each put in 10 million naira of HIS MONEY.

I hope you know that we do have small banks and small insurance companies in existence right? Not every bank is as huge as Bank of America per say.

A business has to cut it's coat according to it's size and there would obviously be a minimum threshold of the amount of customers needed to first keep a business in existence and then to turn a profit.

The question is, can a bank be sustained without new customers? Abosolutely yes! As long as they have passed their min threshold for no of customers needed to stay afloat. New customers at that point would simply equate to more profits and maybe more branches and more, more, more... but again, as said above, new customers would not be needed to keep the bank afloat as long as they have a min no of customers to stay afloat.

Again, same can't be said about MMM as my model has proved that within a closed loop of "investors", a crash is imminent.

there are over 150million Nigerians and MMM participants are not up to 3million (meaning they haven't reached their minimum threshold) and I want you to know all members won't ask for help at the same time. And if members keep providing help and not getting scared of an untimely crash, then MMM will stay provided the modifications are put in place.

kYjelly2:
MMM is strictly a game of Numbers, numbers in and numbers out. There is no will power consideration, no fatigue consideration, no game plan consideration, no skill level consideration, no home/away motivational consideration, no injury consideration... just numbers in and numbers out and again, numbers don't lie.

Time is not a variant here as it pertains to the overall outcome of the numbers, time doesn't affect the numbers in anyway other than to be used as a tactic.

Case in point, you say the GH was greater than PH this December, correct? Again, numbers not lying. However to stall in order to postpone the inevitable or get more PH in the system, time was used as a variant.

So as you can clearly see, time played no role in GH exceeding PH this December (hence wasn't a variant in reaching this critical point), it was only a variant used in stalling. Time can never affect the eventual outcome of MMM, but can be used in creating an illusion of MMM being "long lasting".

if MMM can bring in stricter rules like your current provide help must become your benchmark for your next provide help and also reduce the outrageous bonuses given to the guiders that does little to nothing on the platform, give a time restrictions to provide next help, and stop the Tuesdays and Thursdays mavro habit, I see it standing the test of time. This are the modifications needed and you will see it stand firm.

Don't forget business owners bring in new policies when they see business ain't moving as it should be hence the reduction in salary, increasing long working hours, cutting allowances, employing ND holders in replacement of B.Sc, some go as far as now paying workers salaries, recruiting contract staff so as to avoid paying pensions and many more.

You are such a brilliant person though and I like the way you write.

Lol...this is getting interesting.

A Bill Gate has maximum help he can provide on the platform so he can't just bring in outrageous amount of money then kill the system. Also don't forget I said some modifications are still needed to be made in other to make it stand the test of time.

About the gym you talked about, why not use a bank or an insurance company that has a lot of workers to settle I.e pay salaries to at the end of the month then see if new customers won't be needed to help borne down operational cost and overheads.
When these companies are having issues with low patronage, you see them start sacking their employees and also employing workers with little qualifications.

One sweet thing about debates, it's always hard to find a winner as both parties will have valid points to give. Good morning!

kYjelly2:
How is time a variant in the above model?

whether or not the payments are staggered has no overall effect on the eventual outcome.

what you fail to know is pH can't exceed gh if the system is well designed like GHW. and also, tell me which business you know that won't need new customers to grow. Even 'our religion' is a pyramidal scheme.

I agree with you that MMM has its own shortcomings but if it can be addressed, it will surely stand the test of time.


Banks and insurance companies has a lot of operational cost to borne hence the demand for new customers. Ever wondered why these companies need more marketers/ Business developers?

The bottom line is, the sustainability of any business be it Ponzi or whatever you choose to call it is having new members/customers.

Thank you!

kYjelly2:
Okay, so you say MMM doesn't really need new participants as long as old participants continue to PH.

Now lets put your answer into a model.

In our model we would have 10 MMM participants who each contributed N1000 or PH N1000, making a total PH of N10,000. Now the total GH would be expected to be 130% of this amount which would be N13,000.

According to our model, no new participants join, so we remain at 10 participants.

Already, we have a deficit between the GH and PH of N3,000 that cannot be covered as there are no new participants.

Now you say people can keep PH-ing and GH-ing, so lets account for that.

Say the first 5 people GH from the total pot of N10,000, they would each be expected to get N1,300 and a total of N6,500. If we subtract the N6,500 from the N10,000 we'd have only N3,500 left for the remaining 5 participants who won't all be able to GH.

Now the first 5 participants who GH-ed, according to you, could PH again. So now the first 5 participants PH N1,300 each, making the total sum of money now N3,500 + N6,500 = N10,000. Now the last 5 people can GH of N6,500 leaving only N3,500 left.

Keep in mind that those first 5 people that re-PH at N1,300 would now be expecting N1690 each and a total of N8,450 for all 5 of them.

Since all that is left is N3,500 it won't be enough to pay out the new deficit of N8,450.

We could repeat this cycle again and again and the only thing that would grow is the amount owed and an eventual crash.



In summary, with our first PH and GH, our deficit was only N3,000.

With a Re-PH our deficit has now ballooned to N8,450.


You can now see that a Re-PH only increase the deficit for each round of PH.



Do you agree with this analysis?

remember members don't get help at the same time. So your theory can't work that way.

Yarduni:
I can give you cleaner job as you are just too lazy to make your money with dignity and respect. You ain't even ashamed. Good for you guys ohhhhh. No one is crying for you

lol....why cry for me? I beg you? I borrow money from you take participate? I know you before? Bros swerve......you say I'm lazy, kindly tell me your net worth.

I laugh at your stupidity telling me you can give me a cleaner job when you obviously don't have one .
PS: MMM is not a job and stop displaying your gross stupidity on this thread.

Na only MMM dey? Why e dey give una sleepless night.

MMM and GHW rocks

Hello house, I opened an account for a friend who already has an account but haven't provided help with it cos the person who opened it for her had misunderstanding with her hence not giving her her password.

I opened the account with a different email, different phone number, different bank name and account number, just that the names are the same. The guiders are not even the same self. Now she has been asked to provide help. Can she go ahead?

If no, can I help her talk to the former person who opened an account for her to help her delete it since she's yet to provide help with it? and how will I delete her account? also, how long does it to takes cos she has less than 20hrs to provide help. Thanks!

Kenth3433:
you don't have to write to support as long as you have written it already just check you letter of happiness click my page--> my letter of happiness if the letter of happiness youve just written is there. Then there is no need to write another just ignore when ever it pops up

thanks. Seen.

RealityShot:
Write support ASAP..

OK. Thanks!

Hello house, I wrote letter of happiness on my dashboard and I'm still asked to write letter of happiness. I've written twice and it's still showing on my PO to write letter of happiness. What should I do?

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mrmaze:
cancel the order and write funds won't be available

thanks a lot mrmaze

mrmaze:
Good decision. u won't be block

what should be my reason?

Hello house, I joined newly on MMM, I provided help on the 27th of October and my release date is on the 10th of November which is a Thursday. The problem is the money I'm expecting to provide the help won't be available till 15th of November. If I cancel the provide help now, hope I won't be blocked?
Thanks!