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truthsayer007:
Stop trying to make yourself look intelligent.

So you think a Web dev's job is just to create HTML form and do table indexing? , Some Web devs are even moving to NoSql Database just so they can Scale easily as their user base increases.

My point is, don't condemn what you know little about, Just be a local champ in your area of expertise and don't talk too much. So you won't disgrace yourself outside. #Period.

Na wa o. NoSql database, like you know the difference. Stick with your zero programming experience and your lame idea on tech. All these wannabee joes. Start by reading a Dummies book so you don't get your memory framgmented. Andela needs students.

aminusanti:
Jesus Messiah mission was to convey the message of God

Mat 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

"These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.' (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)"

After sending to the house Israel, which is His birth place, He continues;

Joh 4:21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. "But the hour is coming, and NOW is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.

Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be TAKEN from you and given to a NATION bearing the fruits of it.

Mat 24:14 "And THIS GOSPEL of the kingdom will be preached in ALL THE WORLD as a witness to all NATIONS, and then the end will come.

Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "ALL AUTHORITY has been given to Me IN HEAVEN and on EARTH. "Go therefore and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Mar 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into ALL THE WORLD and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luk 24:46 Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, "and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to ALL NATIONS, beginning at Jerusalem.

Joh 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God WHO TAKES AWAY the SIN OF THE WORLD!

Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all NATIONS, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "SALVATION belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

A baby is born with a hole in the heart to prove God's sovereignty?

This kind of thinking is what keeps people in a mess and the world laughs.

Just because you cannot get someone out of the pit doesn't mean God doesn't want the person out of it.

truthsayer007:
6: The only apps you've ever made happen to only be web related calling upon an sql database.(no offense here)

This here, You were referring to Web Developers that build apps calling upon an sql database, "Those were your own words".

You were not talking about DB Admins who are only focused on only DB.

My broda, Stop trying to defend the rubbish you wrote and move on.

Well, I guess #6 describes your predicament pretty well. Connecting a form to a database and placing indexes won't get you anywhere.

Be better or be obsolete.

truthsayer007:
#6.

Do you know what it takes to optimize database queries for a Website that has up to 10 Million active users and more?

Or do you know what it takes to Migrate database from one platform to the other ?

Oga, keep your little experience in your pocket. You know nothing my broda.

The points are for, incase you didn't read, WHO SHOULD BE CALLED A PROGRAMMER. If database administration is what you do, then be content with "Database Administration".

Your experience sure isn't better than mine. MR WHO KNOW U?

aminusanti:
U are not making any sense honestly and u are just giving unnecessarily excuses just to show u have said something, and I just ask u a single question "is jesus God" and u can't even defend it yet you asking a lot of questions and stop trying to show like I was the asking. Pls be a man and lying. why not reply all my previous post, it's simply bcus u have nothing to say. If u have any query u can put it forward and I will address it but u just have to be clear not just applying assumptions bcus am not the only one reading. As for ur new queries above I will address them shortly but I wont answer again any of ur query that I already answered, u just have go back to my previous post and read carefully.

You asked one question only and you ask again which I answered before and answer again here:

YAHOSUAH IS GOD.

The meaning of GOD kind is what you confuse. I have answered again now be a good sport and answer this very rudimentary question if you know the answer.

WHAT IS THE MISSION OF THE MESSIAH?

toshino4real:
Who was the way during Noah's time? Who was the way during moses time?
During their time, if you don't follow them then you are on your own. Jesus never said he was the only way. The time of jesus has passed, we are in the era of that prophet which is prophet Muhammed (pbuh), it will be better for you if you follow him

It is obvious to know who one learns from.

Zakir Abdul Karim Naik the Indian Islamic preacher. The same one who tries to teach that Mohammed is the Comforter and Holy Spirit. He gave this message of The Way being for different times.

But here is the error, Moses spoke of the person of the Messiah, David spoke of that same Way, Isaiah gave a prophecy of Him and when Jesus came He proclaimed:

I AM THE WAY ( Al-Hadi (الهادي)),
I AM THE TRUTH ( Al-Haqq (الحق)),
I AM THE LIFE ( Al-Muhyi (المحيى)),
I AM THE LIGHT ( An-Nur (النور)),
I AM THE JUDGE ( Al-Hakam (الحكم)),
I AM THE FORGIVER ( Al-'Afuww (العفو)),

NO ONE comes to The Father except by me.

aminusanti:
And what's ur conclusion from these u mentioned?

You ask alot of questions yet have no answer to my questio. Are my questions to difficult for you or you have not found an Imam to give you a wash of a defense so u avoid them.

What was the Messiahs mission?

Comprehend this in d Quran 3:45- a WORD FROM HIM, Whose(the Word) name will be the Messiah,

A Word from I AM, whose name will be the Messiah.
Jesus wasn't his Hebrew name, YAHOSHUAH(YAH saves) was. Yet your book says whose name will be the Messiah.

Mohammed brought nothing new. Jesus was said to be DISTINGUISHED in this world and the one to come.
Yet Mohammed is your main "prophet" and The Distinguished in this world and the next is relegated to his equal or below in Islam. Think a little.

Mohammed did not write one single word into a book called the Quran, his men did 3 years after his death, and still burnt collections when they noticed variation in the different reciters documents of what they heard Mohammed say. This was so the book Quran had no variation from one to the other.

Mohammed made no prophecy, was not prophesied about, had no records in Torah and Bible yet Yahosuah is talked about in the Quran.

Isaiah speaks of a maiden giving birth to a son to be a sign to israel. A birth as a sign cannot be a man sleeping with a woman, dat will not be a sign.
A maiden is a virgin, even if the Hebrew word is not virgin but maiden. When Maiden Mary was found with child they threatened to kick her out. WHY? Because a maiden equals a virgin.

You can try denying that a maiden means a virgin and a birth sign as a sign cannot involve a man with a woman, that will not be a sign. That messianic prophecy is where the whole of Judaism lays it's foundation for the coming of the Christ. You can try to deny dat too.

One question only for me to know you are a sincere seeker of knowledge:

WHAT IS THE MESSIAHS MISSION?

IF u avoid this single question you are not sincerely seeking anything.

You can remain a denier. I am not seeking to change you.

Read Quran 3:45-

When the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a WORD FROM HIM, Whose(the Word) name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - DISTINGUISHED in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near.

She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child WHEN NO MAN has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'BE,' and it is.

BE-(cause, precipitate, prompt, provoke)

Beget - (cause, precipitate, prompt, provoke)

Bible Reading-

Mat 1:20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is CONCEIVED in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Mat 1:21 "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will SAVE His people from their sins."

Mat 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name IMMANUEL," which is translated, "GOD WITH US."

OLAADEGBU:
What Does It Mean That The Heavens Declare The Glory Of God?

Look at the night sky. Wonder at it's grandeur. Something started the cycle of everything. So if ever your faith fails you and you think you are all alone...Look Up.

toshino4real:
According to the following verses, what has the holy ghost taught any christian since Jesus (pbuh) departed that you cannot bear?

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is
expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,
the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I
will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin,
and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because
they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go
to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment,
because the prince of this world is judged.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot
bear them now. Howbeit when HE , the Spirit of truth,
is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall
not speak of himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear,
[that] shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to
come. HE SHALL GLORIFY ME: for HE shall receive of
mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

I sometimes wonder if all Muslims go to the same Imam's classes for lectures.

Please get your answers;

Now what are the thing's the people could not bear which Christ said the will be told of when the Spirit of truth comes? First, we have established that the Spirit of Truth is not a Man/Gabriel/Mohammed evidenced from John 14:21: Even the Spirit of truth, WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it neither SEES Him nor KNOWS HIM; but you know Him, for He dwellss with you(the Spirit was around them) and will be IN YOU(the Spirit will be rested in them not around them anymore but WITHIN).

Now you might wonder how will Christ say He will send the Spirit of truth to them and still say the Spirit dwells with them already? The question will be same as asking how will everyone have thesame Spirit of truth within them in full at the same time? The answer as has been revealed to me in simple terms is "What is water composed of?" H2O and that is water in full.

At what time did the Spirit come, Acts 2:3-4: Then there appeard to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Now, about the things the couldn't bear. To understand, you have to place yourself in the mindset of the Jew of those days listening to Jesus Christ.
This is the mindset of the Jew:
1: I am the seed of Abraham so i am closest to God
2: Though i am closest to God when i sin i will make sacrifice to Him and receive attonment on that day established for sacrifice of lamb and dove e.t.c
3: My resting place after earthly life is based on God's judgements and if i pass or He probably waves my sin's i will be in Paradise
4: I will keep all laws(100+) and it will be righteousness. Which includes: What i eat, what i drink, how i pray, how i dress, tithes i pay, good works, keeping the sabbath in a certain way. e.t.c
5: And more.

I'm sure this sounds familar to you.

Now with this mindset, if Christ came and told them differently on all what they believed they will find it hard to accept(difficult to bear). But when the Spirit of Truth came He revealed those things and brought to rememberance the things Christ told them. John 14:21: But the Helper(comforter), which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things(even the one's you could not bear), and bring to your remembrance all things that i said to you.

What are the answers for the things they couldnt bear at the time which the Holy Spirit(Spirit of Truth) revealed to them:
1: Forgiveness is given unto you not of works(the things you can do) but of grace by God.

Romans 11:6: And if by grace the it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer of grace; otherwise works is no longer works. But still even in those days and now it is still hard to accept(bear).

Hebrew 6:1: Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of REPENTANCE(change mind) FROM DEAD WORKS and FAITH TOWARDS GOD.

Romans 9:31-32: But Israel, pursing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by works of the law. Fot they stumbled at that stumbling stone(which is the law).

2: About what we eat or drink: Romans 14:14: I know and am conviced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Galatians 2:20: I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, the Christ died in vain.

Ephesians 2:28: For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of youselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Jesus Christ also said this to the scribe in John 3:7-8: Do not marvel that i said to you, 'You must be born again'. The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is EVERYONE who is born of the Spirit.

Muslims still searching for Mohammed in the Bible and the Torah....New age bull

The comforter is not Mohammed because of this one verse in John

Joh 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may ABIDE with you FOREVER,

Joh 14:17 "even the Spirit of truth, whom the world CANNOT RECEIVE, because it neither SEES Him nor KNOWS Him; but you know Him, for He DWELLS with you and WILL BE IN YOU.

Mohammed died, was buried and that is the end of his story.

Find a better Imam

aminusanti:
Appreciated sir



I apologize (am sorry) in advance for the lengthy thread but worth reading

ok. Now lets Analyze and understand this first (The LORD said to my Lord)

*ADONAI is referred to God but Adoni to human superiors.
*ADONI— ref. to men: my lord, my master [see Ps. 110:1]

"The LORD(ADONAI) said to my Lord(ADONI=MASTER)"

The LORD said to my Lord

You people frequently argue that "my Lord" in this verse is the Hebrew word adonai, another name for God, and is therefore proof of the divinity of the Messiah. But not only is this not a valid argument, this verse is actually one of the great proofs of the complete humanity of the promised Messiah. The Hebrew word translated "my lord" is adoni (pronounced "Adon nee" ) in the standard Hebrew texts. This word is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God. Unfortunately, most Hebrew concordances and lexicons give only root words, not the word that actually occurs in the Hebrew text. This is one reason why biblical research done by people using only tools such as a Strong's Concordance will often be limited. While this usually does not affect the interpretation of the text, sometimes it makes a great deal of difference, such as in Psalm 110:1. Focus on the Kingdom reports:
The Bible in Psalm 110:1 actually gives the Messiah the title that never describes God. The word is adoni and in all of its 195 occurrences in the Old Testament it means a superior who is human (or occasionally angelic), created and not God. So Psalm 110:1 presents the clearest evidence that the Messiah is not God, but a supremely exalted man.
The difference between adon (the root word), adoni ("lord," always used of men or angels) and adonai (which is used of God and sometimes written adonay) is critical to the understanding of Psalm 110:1.

Christians also argue that Jesus is greater than David and is not only the Messiah but is part of a Trinitarian godhead as well (see Matthew 22:42-45, Mark 12:35-37, Luke 20:41-44, Acts 2:34-36, Hebrews 1:13). Yet, a careful examination finds their hypothesis to be totally without merit.

Since le-David, in verse 1, does not always mean "written by David," but sometimes "concerning David" or "in the style of David," it cannot be said with certainty that the preposition le, often translated "of," actually indicates, "composed by David." Further investigation is necessary in order to understand it's meaning as governed by the context of this psalm.

Let us examine Psalm 72. It was written by David "for," or "concerning," Solomon (cf. verses 1 and 20), yet the Hebrew contains an introductory phrase similar to the one found in Psalm 110. The introductory statement, li- S'hlomo, stresses that the psalm is "concerning" Solomon rather than that it is by Solomon. Even more significant is 2 Samuel 22:51 and Psalms 144:10, where David speaks of himself in the third person. Accordingly, there is every indication that the proper translation of Psalms 110:1 is: "A Psalm concerning David. HaShem says to my master ['adoni]: 'Sit at My right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.'" David is writing this psalm from the perspective of the individual who is going to recite it. From this perspective, David, as king, is appropriately referred to as "my master." The claim that David is actually (or also) referring to Jesus by the phrase "my master" is not supported by the text.

The privilege of sitting at the right hand is a mark of distinction (1 Kings 2:19). When God invites David to "sit at My right hand," it is to show the privileged position enjoyed by David in his relationship with God. It is not to be taken as literally indicating sitting at God's right hand. The terminology "right hand" is here used as an expression of God's favoritism toward David.

From a Christian perspective: Does the name of God (HaShem), translated as "the Lord" in many English versions of Psalms 110:1, refer to "God the Father" or to "God the Son" or does it refer to all three members of the Trinity? Christians are divided on the answer.

Concerning the word 'Elohaynu ("our God", which appears in the Shema, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord [HaShem] our God, the Lord [HaShem] is One ['Echad]" (Deuteronomy 6:4), most Christians maintain that it is plural and should be understood in its literal sense as "our Gods," but in the sense of a "triunity." For this reason, they often interpret the verse as: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our Gods, the Lord is a compound unity."

From this Christian explanation of the Shema, it follows that "the Lord" (HaShem) could not refer to either "God the Father" or "God the Son" alone, but must refer to all three members of the "triunity" as a whole. This being the case, how is it possible for Christians to maintain that the phrase "to my Lord" (as commonly translated in Christian Bibles) refers to Jesus? If "my Lord" refers to the second member of the supposed "triunity," Jesus, then who is the first "Lord" mentioned in the verse? If "the Lord" (HaShem) in the Shema is a "triunity" united in the divine name, that is, "the Lord is our Gods," the first "Lord" in Psalms 110:1 must also refer to the united "triunity." If this is so, then the phrase "to my Lord" automatically excludes Jesus, who allegedly is already included in the first part of the verse, "the Lord."

Furthermore, if the second "Lord," supposedly Jesus, is sitting next to the first "Lord," the triune godhead or two-thirds of it, or any aggregate of it, he cannot be part of it. That which exists outside of God cannot be God.





Yes, people in the Jewish old culture were called "God, Lord, Master" before Jesus' existence on earth as a sign of respect between positions and also many people before Jesus were named even at birth "El Gibor (Mighty God)", just like people were also named "Ezekiel (Strong God)", "Elli (God)", "Gabriel (Strong God)", etc... in jewish culture. It is quite unfortunate that in the old Jewish culture, people used to be named "Godly" names. This is quite misleading and deceiving to Christians when they try to define the deity of Jesus

A finely presented article I must say, raising more questions than establishing anything concrete.

We can go back and forth, so let me add some questions to you.

The First words of the Hebrew Torah of Psalm 110 are;
לְדָוִד, מִזְמוֹר:
A Psalm of David.
Not; Of David a Psalm. Different meaning each one.

Languages written "right to left" mostly are internally "left to right" for meaning.

My questions to you, based on your write-up are;

1: Who is the Messiah, what is his mission?

2: What does Adonai Eloheinu mean? Is it to the YHVH, Angels or a Man?

3: Are you saying that Psalms 110 speaks of the Messiah or David? You made a point in your writeup that suggest Messiah.

The Bible in Psalm 110:1 actually gives the Messiah the title that never describes God.


4: Do you know that Third-Person writing is a style of old and still used today?

Here is one proof of David being the author of the Psalms;

Psa 25:1 To You, O LORD, I lift up my soul.
Psa 25:2 O my God, I trust in You; Let me not be ashamed; Let not my enemies triumph over me.

aminusanti:
that's what I am saying u didnt read my previous comments carefully, if truly u did u wont be repeating this statement of David over n over again like I said the verse is referring to DAVID which simply means u ddnt get what I said earlier and you cant show me where I ever mentioned that Lord in that verse is referring to David. Let me simplify this now
My simple question to you here is

"The LORD said to my Lord"
Is this my Lord referring to jesus as God in person??
I don't want long repeated statement pls
My concern is not u but the readers. then we shall see who is confuse here.

For your benefit and those who seek answers. I will say the short answers then show Bible evidence.

The Psalms were written by David, so David said in Spirit; The LORD said to my Lord(meaning the Christ).

Mat 22:42 saying, "What do you think about the CHRIST? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David."
Mat 22:43 He said to them, "How then does DAVID in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying:
Mat 22:44 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '?
Mat 22:45 "If David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his Son?"


God to me is a title. Read:

Psa 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?
Joh 10:35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
Joh 10:36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

Gen 31:29 "It is in my power to do you harm, but the God of your father spoke to me last night, saying, 'Be careful that you speak to Jacob neither good nor bad.'

Exo 12:12 'For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the GODS OF EGYPT I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

Exo 15:11 "Who is like You, O LORD, among the gods? who is like You, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?

Ask more questions.

aminusanti:
To read whole book for me to understand jesus is GOD? Lol...you don't have to use that as an excuse to divert on this single verse that u are failing to address. I gave my own views n reason bt u just simply said its illogical without providing your own logical proof and why.

What does the word "GOD" mean to you?

aminusanti:
To read whole book for me to understand jesus is GOD? Lol...you don't have to use that as an excuse to divert on this single verse that u are failing to address. I gave my own views n reason bt u just simply said its illogical without providing your own logical proof and why.

Seems u did not read my analysis on why I say your logic on dat verse is terrible. If David had a Lord and that Lord is the one he refers to in that verse then David cannot be king at that time can he?

The logic is simple. He cannot be king and yet have another king on his throne to call Lord. DAVID WAS KING. So that statement cannot be David speaking as if he has a king.

Do you get it or is that hard to get? Do I draw a graph to explain the hierarchy?

aminusanti:
Before i proceed anwering some of your queries you sent earlier. Pls why don't you tell us the logical way to understand the verse "Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:41-46 ("The LORD said to my Lord" with reasons according to your understanding sir. thanks

The way to understand is to read whole books. I have explained the points, shown your illogical bias and asked that you find out who Melchizedek is.

You may proceed with further questions, but try to be brief.

aminusanti:
I don't think u read to understand what i wrote previously
From all indications is you that's miss defining the trinity
Again! Adonai (ruler/master/king) is used in Hebrew to reference Kings or a sign of respect between positions. what's illogical here?
Pls explain to us what TRINITY means to you? what's the position of Jesus in the trinity?
Am asking you this bcus Christians view Jesus differently and that will help me address your case properly

Firstly, Adonai is used in Hebrew to refer to the I AM same as Hashem, Elohim, Yahweh, Eli.

The name of God used most often in the Hebrew Bible is the Tetragrammaton YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎‎). It is frequently anglicized as Jehovah and Yahweh and written in most English editions of the Bible as "the Lord" owing to the Jewish tradition of reading it as Adonai ("My Lords" out of respect.

Here is where I say your logic fails in that passage where David said: the Lord said to my Lord sit at my right hand till I make thy enemies thy footstool.
You logic is; as Lord means Adonai and king ruler on the throne then David must have been referring to his Adonai(king ruler) as my lord. But here is where it fails, FOR DAVID WAS ADONAI(king ruler) at that instance so he can not say this of himself to himself. You can choose to be blindsided.

Now about the word Trinity, there is a reason men have used that word. One because in Genesis when Elohim was to create man He said; Let Us make man in Our image after Our Likeness.
In another place Elohim says; See man, all united, let Us scatter them lest they find the fruit of Life and live forever now knowing good and evil.

The Elohim in Hebrew is called the God head; the nature of this God Head is not known in totality but revealed in places. When the Messiah/Yahoshuah says in John 17:20-26, which speaks of the promise of Oneness. This is the same One you see in your famous quotes of; The Lord our God is one. ONE, just like someone can say you are one with your father or mother. ONE in agreement. ONE in mind, ONE in ways. Not one in same entity.

There lies the misuse and error of saying "Trinity". Instead the word "TriUnity" will be more proper, even though we as Messianic know that we also share in this Oneness with God.

This is very much and far different from the promise of Islam, where you all are slaves of Allah.
A servant is different from a slave.

Dictionary meaning:
Servant: a devoted and helpful follower or supporter.

Slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.

A servant is in agreement, not forcefully invoked to perform works called of by who he serves a mission of.

But a slave is forced and has not a say on matters. He hears go and he goes. Jump and he jumps.

We are servants and sons of the Most High.
You do not have to agree, the dog does not have to accept that it is free to run away from its masters house either.

FriendChoice:
don't be a Fool, I should tell you which word was falsely remove don't you read the reply, don't you read who removed it, don't you read what they said it's interpolation, concoction and fabrication.


Concerning scientific error, you requested for one, here you get it

If we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction.



Genesis, 1 st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 -
hour day.

Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’ . The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’ . It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’ , an epoch.
Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could have been created in 6 very long periods.

Please show me the creation story in the Quaran. The same science that says 6 days is too small and years ago had a Big Bang theory which is now disbanded is the same science that tells you that your forefathers is a fish.

Use logic. 6 days is nothing for God. Carbon dating is not a scientific measure of time.

More on science. The atomic structure that is in popular circulation today is classified as erroneous by mordern science. Which will you believe?

The number in the story for 200 and 245 is not a denouement on the spiritual content of the Bible. Haven't you seen one man say they where 4 thieves and another say they where probably 30?

The problem is, the Quaran says it fell from heaven. While the bible as a collection of books is made of story, history, spiritual knowledge, prophecies and moral teachings.

dolphinheart:
I thought their was going to be a serious reason why he thought the scriptures had been currupted, but bringing about the fact that that the original paper could not be preserved up till this date is hitting below the belt.

I once had a discussion with some Muslims over who Abraham wanted to sacrifice, they believe it was Ishmael and not Isaac, but they could not offer any prove, yet they try to discredit the event as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures.

The event as told in the Hebrew scriptures added age, locations and names when it gave account of the event, but they refuse to provide any such data when they belive it was Ishmael.
when I look at some of their actions, I believe it was taken so as to be in competition with the Jews and Christians .
from the fomulation of a new calender to the Holy sites and modification of previous events to suite their tribe and religion.

Your guesses are good as mine. Mohammed was a man who envisioned himself to be like Alexander the great + Jesus + Eliyah. So he after receiving inheritance from his first and much older than himself Arab Catholic Christian wife decided to setout to be those greats.
And since every leader needs a large followership to be popular enough he set out to use any means to make dat happen.

From lying on messages from angels, even when he confessed of a demon speaking to him to claiming the words fell on his lap bound in a book. Then calling himself by himself a prophet, and yet no single prophecy. Well we see the lie.

FriendChoice:


Am done with you sir, you could not produce it while I have produced error in the Bible. Even if you quote me, I will not reply you on this. Baseless argument when you cannot give prove. Am done concerning CORRUPTION of the Bible. Unless you point out changes in Quran just like Bible or else forget it.

Spirit sexual activity in paradise...be serious.
To point out corruption you need an evidence of corruption which you cannot produce of the Bible. The bible has never been burnt for fear that it was corrupt in circulation, But the Quaran has been burnt at least twice in it's history. Read your Hadith works for history.

FriendChoice:
No. Quran was tested positive with science. If you want I will created another thread for that. by the way.

Bible have versions which things differ from this version to another, example is the begotten son I mentioned. There are many more.


please point out one in the Quran, that changea when new copy is produced.

The answer is simple. You cannot.

Have you read the History of the Quaran? Did you know Mohammed was not alive to pen down his teaching on paper? Did you know there was a burning of the Quaran after the first published works? Did you know Mohammed was poisoned and layed in a shallow grave, did not rise and his body, according to the words of his own proclamation of himself, was defiled by a wild pig?

Your Imams will not tell you. Read your history and your honest researchers of your book.

No need for a thread, one here is enough.

There are no virgins or wives waiting for anyone in Yahwehs kingdom. Spirit sexually activity...seriously?

FriendChoice:
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I don't have time to write much. Produce a single chapter of Quran

Produce any older version of Quran

The first Hebrew Bible was no where to be found, the present day Hebrew Bible is a translation from English

The Quran is logical with signs which prove science of earth, big bang and many more. Which Bible fails.

Changes occur in the Bible, the word begotten son has been removed The Revised Standard Version has been revised by 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co- operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word without any ceremony as an interpolation, concoction, fabrication, and adulteration.


and many more errors in Bible.




point out a single verse that change in Quran even in a single a "alif". (first alphabet of Arabic)

If your knowledge of scientific evidence/proofs is based on the Quaran then you need a awakening.
The sun rising and setting in a pond of milk? Man formed by dust, then drop of blood, then sperm, then a womans secretion?

Anyone can bash all religions including Christianity with science so leave science out of this playground.

dolphinheart:
get serious and stop looking for cheap points, the Hebrew scriptures where written thousands of years before mohameds father knew his mother , you expect such people who lived in those days to succefully preserve the scrolls in which it was written?
they do not have the technology ,neither do they have the material.

These brings about the difference between the koran and the bible. those who read the bible and follow it's instructions do not need a perfect physical authenticity of the bible before they adhere to its content, the content itself proves the authenticity and not the paper in which it was written.

whateva language the bible is present in, the content and not the paper is most important. you could not proof that the content is currupted, you could not even come up with an agreed list of approved verses customers it will affect your ability to reject it if you later found out it affects your belief.



read what I wrote about the koran carefully, never talked about who wrote it!, I was talking about its content!
my views still stands, the Koran is always trying to find relevance by using the bible, personaly, unless given contrary explanations, I believe the Koran is a collection of modified tales, stories, events, laws from other previous books, a poor plagliarisation which deliberately omitted facts so as to avoid exposure.
if it was mohamed that authored the koran, then my views above is what he authored.




what else would you expect from the author of a book, do you think he was going to paint his works in bad light?

using parts of other books to authenticate itself and at the same time finding fault with those other books when considered in its entirety is a move that I can never buy!

how can you tell me to produce the likes of the koran, no two authors can produce same book!, words , content, ideas, meanings, will definitely be different!

Mohammed and his followers trying to score cheap points since 500AD and if they cannot they try to find the weak and impose it on them by force. Sorry, no can do.

FriendChoice:
I ask you and you're asking me, it cannot work. Tell me does verses that I quote are not correct first.

Or tell me you believe Jesus is man and God is not a man.

Tell me you believe God has to be worshipped in spirit form but Jesus have flesh and bone

You must answer this, otherwise am done with you.

Did Jesus always give answers directly? No. Because if He did they will not understand cause of their level of knowledge. If you are sincere you will be patient.

The quoting of those verses are incomplete therefore you are utterly wrong.

FriendChoice:
So what do you say now in quoting the verses.

You said God is man Or God have flesh Or God should be worship in man form not spirit

What exactly are you saying please.

Good now you have asked a question. But to get the answers answer a few questions. One at a time.

1: Did the Hebrew people have prophecy of a Messiah to come?

FriendChoice:
[b]Actually you said nothing, my verses are clear God is not the author of Confusion. Stop twisting and telling me what the church teaches you. I give clear verses without ambiguity.



Bible says that God is Not Man


"God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is a man



"Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)



Jesus Peace Be Upon Him Have Bone And Flesh

Touch Me and see, spirit have no flesh, If you want to worship God, worship him in spirit form not as Jesus in man form

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39 )


You must worship God in spirit form,


God is Spirit and Have No Flesh

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24 )

We Muslims are the ones that obey God and we will worship him in spirit form.

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If I am twisting scripture by completing the verse and you are not twisting by saying in part(just the first 4 words) then I wonder the type of logic you have established.

Yes I have said nothing, but I have said enough to show your ignorance on the Bible(Zaik Naik student).

Num 23:19 "God is not a man, that He should LIE, nor a son of man, that He should REPENT. Has He SAID, and will He NOT DO IT? Or haswill, and will He not MAKE IT GOOD/FULFIL?

This speaks on the impeccable "AMEN" the I AM.

Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. For I am God, and not man, the Holy One in your midst; and I will not come with terror.

Same thing.

The church doesn't teach me, I study scriptures. Obviously unlike you who go by short burst of verses from your Imams to somehow assure you that what you carry is true. Yet Mohammed was told to ask people of scripture before him if he had doubts.

FriendChoice:
[b]Bible says Jesus is a man. All what you listed are miracles God Almighty perform, just the way he performed on Moses dividing sea. The verse below explain.


"Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)



God is Spirit and Have No Flesh

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:24 )

Does this leave the option that God as a spirit could also have a "body of flesh and bones?" Here is how Jesus defined a spirit:

Jesus Peace Be Upon Him Have Bone And Flesh

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:39 )

Christians Reply: Jesus is both fully human and divine. This is the reason why God gave Him a human mother, so that he could be connected with us in such a way that He could perform the perfect sacrifice for us.

Bible says that God is Not Man


"God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9) [/b]

Yes, miracles of the I AM. Now unless you want to keep screaming "corruption" and not read further, Yahosuah also gave himself the name Son of Man(you do not understand this do you).

Read:
Act 2:24 "whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was NOT POSSIBLE that He/Jesus should be held by it.
Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both LORD and CHRIST/MESSIAH."

Yes The I AM is spirit, so are you yourself else you will not have a call to worship him in spirit and truth. And Yahosuah is the Messiah of men,

Joh 4:25 The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming" (who is called Christ). "When He comes, He will tell us all things."

Joh 4:26 Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He."

Does this mean spirit cannot inhabit flesh? The Messiah/Christ was telling them that he has His form so they can feel it. He is not a ghost/phantom/illusion.

How well do Muslims try to avoid completing the paragraph in Numbers;

Num 23:19 "God is not a man, that He should LIE, nor a son of man, that He should REPENT. Has He SAID, and will He NOT DO IT? Or has spoken, and will He not MAKE IT GOOD/FULFIL?

This speaks on the impeccable "AMEN" if the I AM.

Learn before you throw yourself in public.

FriendChoice:
If I will worship a mortal man, then that man will be Adam (Pbum) motherless fatherless son of God. Son of God in the sense he is laid by the spirit of God according to the corrupted scripture.

How is Jesus/Yahosuah a mortal man? Did he not come from a natural birth? Did he not rise from the dead of his own accord? Did he not send the Holy Spirit(not Mohammed) by permission from YHVH? Did he not tell of his return? Did he not call everyone Son's of the Most High(not Allah for Allah says you are slaves)?

aminusanti:
ok sir educate us pls


I like the way you people are delibrately twisting words from there original meaning just to make a Man to be GOD..

On the basis of the above texts, Christians believe that Jesus is David’s Lord since he is the Christ. And since Yahweh is David’s Lord, Jesus must therefore be Yahweh God.

So the person addressed in Psalm 110:1 n Mar 12:37 " (Jews believe he's David, Christians believe he's Jesus) was never actually called "God". He was called "Adoni", which is a term given to human kings for honor and respect (my Lord, my king, etc...).

Notice the liars of the English translators from the polytheist trinitarian pagans say "The LORD said to my Lord...." to create the impression that "LORD" is used for both GOD and Jesus equally in a sense that the two are the same in one; that Jesus is equal to GOD and he is GOD! May they burn in Hell for Eternity for all of the lies they invented against GOD Almighty. Ameen! Their deliberate choice in using "lord" twice as opposed to using the more proper translation such as "GOD said to my master" proves:

1- They are desperate in proving their trinity lie.

2- They strive on playing their dirty and sick word games to further confuse their pagan followers and to convince them more about the trinity lie.


There is no question about the Truth!

There is no question that "GOD said to my master" is the most proper translation and meaning to Mar 12:37 " n Psalm 110:1 above! Anything else is clear polytheist trinitarian pagans' blasphemy!


If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

"GOD (Yahweh) said to my master (Adoni)"

Not "GOD said to my God" or "The LORD said to my Lord". The literal translation for "Adoni" is MASTER! Kings in the Bible were addressed as such. Yes, Yahweh too was given this title, but like "El", and "Elohim", which also were given to every single believer in the Bible , this title, "Adoni" is not unique to GOD Almighty! The only unique title to GOD Almighty in the Bible is the compound name of Yahweh, which literally means "I am He".

The word Trinity is miss defined to Muslims and by Christians. But John 1 is as it says. If Adoni is ruler/master/king in human form then by your logic David was referring to the king of his day when he said such. But here is where you become illogical, David was king at the time-

Psa 18:50 Great deliverance He gives to His king, And shows mercy to His anointed, To David and his descendants forevermore.

READ;
Psa 110:3 Your people shall be volunteers In THE DAY(singular) of Your power; In the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning, You have the dew of Your youth.

Psa 110:4 The LORD has sworn And will not relent, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."

Find out who Melchizedek is and his order.

if you need more explanation and exposure on the ignorance spread amongst Muslims by their scholars ask.

dolphinheart:
SO because it is present in another language, it automatically means it's currupted?

like I said earlier, your selected belief in the bible gives you an opportunity to determine what you accept as original or currupt part of the bible. even though you had this opportunity to select , you cannot still bring out or come to a consensus of the scriptures that has not been currupted. There is not consensus as to which bible verses are currupted and which verse are authentic, you only determine such when it suits your arguments.

The Koran is always trying to find relevance by using the bible, personaly, unless given contrary explanations, I believe the Koran is a collection of modified tales, stories, events, laws from other previous books, a poor plagliarisation which deliberately omitted facts so as to avoid exposure.

You are absolutely correct. The Quaran and it's people have been finding relevance from the older Abrahamic religions ever since Mohammed made claims of being a prophet. Even though he has no single prophecy or miracle on his account.

FriendChoice:
The present Bible is corrupted. The first Bible was written in Hebrew and its no where to be found. The present day Bible you see in Hebrew is a translated one from English.

So we believe anything in the present day Bible that those not contradict the Quran.

Even the Quaran is written with the hands of men and isn't an original text or in the form it was in since it was penned down. Besides, Mohammed did not jot one word of the book until his death, his followers did that about three years after his death. Know your history.