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oneolajire:
1Cor 1:18 the preaching of the cross to them who perish foolishness, bur to us who are being saved is the power of God.

The thread is based on what the church is and the lies of the JWs, so church denomination has no place in this instance.

If you look deeply within you and listen patiently, you'll hear the voice of your former leader Russels Charles Taze crying in torment, regretting the fact that he refused to believe the truth. He is begging you to repent and accept the truth

Today is the day of salvation, tomorrow may be too late

So you now can hear the whisper of the dead? Just Negodu!

Don't twist your own thread title. It has never been about the global church view(Body of Christ) but about how you see a certain organization. So name yours and see if we can make a thread on the 32 lies it has.

Else, just Gerrarahia

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@OAROLOYE...one more thing. I doubt if your are a Christian because this is one defense used by Muslims to claim Christianity and the Bible we have as false.

@OAROLOYE
Thanks for plagiarizing from the net for tales on how Paul is a false teacher of the gospel of Yahoshuah.


Now because from this article has it claimed that Paul's words are lies and Peter wasn't converted(though that verse is speaking of his dwindling faith because of the troubles coming their way which the Christ showed them), I will remove the books from both men or their students.

I will be brief by only showing a few things;
The rich young man's meet with The Christ.

Mat 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, WHAT GOOD THING shall I do that I may have ETERNAL LIFE?" Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. BUT IF YOU WANT TO ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS." Mat 19:18 He said to Him, "WHICH ONES?" Jesus said, " 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' Mat 19:19 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Mat 19:20 The young man said to Him, "ALL these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack? " Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Mat 19:23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Mat 19:24 "And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the of God." Mat 19:25 When His disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, "WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED?" Mat 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible."

Points to note that what Paul was saying concerning Christ's salvation though disagreed with by James(brother of Yahosuah) are these;
1: Keep the commandments to gain eternal life.

2: Man claims he has done so up till that point.

3: Yahosuah says- it is hard for the rich to enter(even though the law has been kept).

4: Disciples ask; WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED. These people are obviously not of the rich class, probably have kept the Law and yet they never took that statement to mean poor ones who keep the Law.

Revaluation 7:4-15;
Verse 4: Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL were sealed.

Verse 9: Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a GREAT MULTITUDE WHICH NO ONE COULD NUMBER, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

Verse 14: Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Now you said Paul kill all the 12 and none was available to oppose his teaching, Well there was Peter, and John.

Also, because some disciples didn't approve of Paul because of his past deeds doesn't make his call false. They didn't approve of a man healing in the name Yahosuah because he wasn't part of the group. They didn't approve of the children coming around them. They were men.

Yes the teachers of the Law(Pharisees) made addition for rites and rituals, but they also took hold of the Law and Judgment, they sure didn't keep it. But hear this;
Joh 5:45 "Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you--Moses, IN WHOM YOU TRUST. Joh 5:46 "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. Joh 5:47 "But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

I end with this; if Paul was lying about grace for salvation, and you say his logic was used to interpret the word, well James who based it on works also used logic to interpret the word.

oneolajire:
I have told you what you needed to hear, and will tell you more, to repent and be converted. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Dump the powerless doctrine that can't save from sin, satan and the lake of fire.

And what doctrine would that be? That your concept of rapture is wrong, or that you search for the kingdom of God elsewhere? I bet you know little to nothing about anything the Bible talks about.

oneolajire:
I know you understand english. We attend churches, a church is a church and as many that have same faith in Jesus belongs to the Church. So get that right.

So you avoid being grouped under a registered Christian establishment in Nigeria. But quick to shout Jehovah Witnesses is bad.

Judge yourself.

oneolajire:
You don't belong to JW, you believe the JWs are partially right and we are partially right as well. Where do you belong? You can't be with us and JW at the same time. We are not religious people, we are people of Jesus. If you really belong to Jesus, you will have nothing to do with Greek or Egyptian mythology.
Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, repent and be converted

I restate, I am not with "Us" neither am I with "JW". To know what you have you have to know where you are coming from. Somehow, religious folks seem to believe, especially in Christianity, that the first time God revealed Himself was with Israel and Moses/Abraham. Read your Bible, before then as recorded in the compilation we have God(YAH) revealed Himself to a Pharaoh of Egypt.

Know your History, at least the one you will accept(the Bible).

The concept of hell as existing in Christianity is not new but doesn't exist in Judaism, exists in Egyptian, Greek, Roman, and Chinese Diyu mythology.

Now that in itself means one of two things; concepts were merged from one to another or all religions where shown the same thing. Which is which we do not know.

Now if is as we say, and Judgment is by works(good heaven, bad hell) then what is The Christ for and why did John say: No one has seen the Father but Him who comes from the Father tell us this, that the Father is LIGHT and IN HIM is NO DARKENSS.

And if Hell is as we say, then what gets to be there? The Spirit/Soul/Body?

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oneolajire:
Repent, the kingdom of God is at hand. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour in order to be saved.

First of all, when you are given questions on matters you claim to have knowledge on, please, try and give answers to the questions else you have nothing to say.

Secondly, I am no JW but I don't believe they have all the wrong answers neither do I believe they have all the right answers, and neither do you hence your avoidance of the questions thrown.

aribisala0:
You have every right to believe and no one can take that from you.
Others too have every right to disbelieve. The issue here is a six year old boy. Should six yearolds be MADE to believe before they learn how to think? It seems to me that what ever belief 6 yearolds are fed depends on the geography of their birth

I'm glad u came at it in this manner. For your question, I dnt think anyone should force the child or see the child as being odd because he isn't accepting of the concept of a noncreated God.

People just like to feel everyone must accept their ideas and belief without question. Which is unnatural and wrong...we are not programmed zombies. If you can't address the questions the child throws at you, then you don't understand what you claim to believe.

And yes, our environment shapes the ideas and concepts we now possess as "our own", and as we grow older we build fences against ideologies that threaten to change those concepts we hold.

I believe in God, I also believe in science(study of what is). When someone asks me why I believe in a God, I ask why do you believe in Cartesian Coordinate Systems.

Seriously, there is no absolute position but every position is relative to an non absolute reference frame.

If I can believe that then I am not dumb to believe in God as well.

There's nothing wrong in being an atheist, it just means you have questions. There is also nothing wrong in being a theist, it just means you have faith.

I've been on both sides, looking from a distance I choose to be a theist. Reason; numerous. Is the Biblical creation story as lucid as it should be? I'ld say no, it's mostly symbolic but has something to say.

For your young nephew and his question, just walk him through the recursive process of who gave birth to God and who gave birth to who gave birth to God.

Of all lists, Ruby.

Oliviaarims:
Well, I honestly do love this and fully understand what the OP has written. But may I add also...



When micro organisms are transferred from their natural habitat to a medium culture, it is for the purpose of isolation and identification. The culture medium contains their necessary nutritional requirement for growth and reproduction. At the first instance, the micro organism adapts to its new environment at which its growth is slow. After this, it goes into its exponential phase where its growth and reproduction is most active and rapid.

Accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour takes you from your natural habitat (the world) to your spiritual habitat (the kingdom of God), which is your culture medium. Your ability to adapt to your new environment is by the spirit of adoption, Holy spirit (Rom 8:15). The kingdom of God has all the necessary nutritional requirement for your spiritual growth. One thing with growth factors is that they are substances required for growth and can not be synthesized by the organism. It is in God that you receive your growth requirement, you can't get it by yourself. The Holy spirit takes you to your exponential phase when you yield to Him. At this point, your spiritual growth and reproduction, which is your multiplication is very active and rapid. The evidence of your spiritual growth are the fruits you bear. We are being isolated and identified with Christ. You must first be isolated from the world before you can be identified with christ.

Don't worry if your spiritual growth seems to be slow or even stagnant. In fact, we are commanded not to worry (Phil 4:6-7, Matt 6:25_34). You are a work-in-progress, just yield yourself and surrender completely to Him. Matt 16:24 says; then Jesus said to His disciples if any one wishes to come after me,he must first deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me. He has given us the power to choose, He works with what we choose. Do you desire to follow Him but still holding back to yourself, to that which is not? Mark 10:28; Peter began to say to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You". All you basically have to do is to surrender and follow him.

Be the clay and let Him mould you, be the vessel and let Him fill you, be the light and let Him be your source of power. Be the carrier of His presence.

Where is the Kingdom of God?

kindredspirit:
Is Being "Born Again" tantamount to having Salvation or being Saved? How can one be Born again and still Sin? Sounds contradictory, dosent it?
How then is the person Born Again? What's the difference?

If one was Born Again and still sins, doesn't it mean that they aren't actually Born Again ? Ipso facto, doesn't it mean the person isn't saved ? Let's say the "Trumpets sounds " today, would the person be saved, considering that they still sin despite being born again ??

Or could it be that the "Born Again" situation is that condition of the heart where an individual's conscience comes alive and they attain a consciousness of constantly watching their conduct , always reverts to God in prayer to seek forgiveness whenever they commit some sin ?

Give or take, it is sounding more to me that this widely bandied view of "being born again and still sin" is abusing the Grace so people can continue to live in sin while basking in the glorious delusion of being "born again and saved".

Please take time to find;
1: What Jesus said about How one becomes born again.

2: How sin was handled before Christ.

3: What grace is, what the law is.

4: Read all of the book of Romans, especially continuing from where is says: Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound.

You might wonder why it seems people don't change there ways totally. Remember, even before the coming of the Son of God the people committed sin and had a requirement to make sacrifice to the forgiveness of sin with lambs, doves and incense at a certain season and time.

So also past believers tried to compare that with the Lamb of God and asked if they will make similar with the new gospel.

Paul explains:
Heb 9:24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; Heb 9:25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another--
Heb 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Our gospel has been tainted by our forebears because most could not accept the simplicity of it. That is why I advice u not just read scripture by verses but by each book to get the message lost.

I pray Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, making the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

If you know what you are doing, BOTH.
if you don't know what you are doing, NEITHER.

salykely:
I must commend u for sustaining this argument with little or no insult. It is very unlike ur colleagues. Insulting Islam and our Prophet is their favourite pastime. I feel bad that I may not be able to educate u on Islam bc I see u worthy of conversing with. That as it may I pray that Allah heal ur sight to the light of Islam. Go in peace

Insults are uncalled for. Will like to have a conversation with you. About conversion, hmmm, maybe, who knows, you might see enlightenment on the other side.

Hope you have confirmed I never said calling Jesus a Servant or Prophet is an insult too.

salykely:
Our argument started when u claimed that calling Jesus a mere Prophet was an insult. I responded with proofs that Jesus was not "mere" but he was certainly a Prophet. U should owned up to ur ignorance and accept that u never really evaluated the biblical Jesus as he should have.

On the Quran, it remain the only religious text that all its verses and chapters are recited from the heart I.e. Memorized completely. No textual authority support ur allegations. The Quran has passed the text of time and its remain whole unlike the bible with hundreds of versions.

I wont respond to you on the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad. It was never an issue here.

I see where the disagreements stem from. But please get your facts right. I am not the one who says calling Jesus a Prophet, mere or majestic, is an insult.

The Quaran isn't the only religious text recited by heart by its faithful. The art of recitation came from the Jews and they still practice recitation of the Torah and Tanak.

So get you ideas right, and just because someone can tell me a story off his head doesn't produce anything of spiritual value.

About the Prophet title given to Mohammed, you can't find or give one because he has NONE. He's more of an Honorary Prophet...simple

salykely:
I honestly want to leave u in ur ignorance. The Quran is not an account of the Prophet Muhammad's life. Go read his life history even by western standard. Michael H. Hart wrote The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History. He placed Prophet Muhammad as number one and back his decision with verifiable argument. Many others have written about the wonderful Prophet of Arabia and I challenge u to do ur unbiased research and save urself from hell.
Let me share with u excerpt of an article written by Robert Louis Wilken a professor of christian history at the University of Virginia.

"No event during the first millennium was more unexpected, more calamitous, and more consequential for Christianity than the rise of Islam. Few irruptions in history have transformed societies so completely and irrevocably as did the conquest and expansion of the Arabs in the seventh century. And none came with greater swiftness. Within a decade three major cities in the Byzantine Christian Empire”Damascus in 635, Jerusalem in 638, and Alexandria in 641”fell to the invaders.

" ...When reports began to circulate that something unusual was happening in the Arabian Peninsula, the Byzantines were preoccupied with the Sassanians in Persia who had sacked Jerusalem in 614 and made off with the relic of the True Cross. And in the West they were menaced by the Avars, a Mongolian people who had moved into the Balkans and were threatening Constantinople. Rumors about the emergence of a powerful leader among the Arabs in the distant Hijaz seemed no cause for alarm.

Even on the eve of the conquest of Jerusalem, when Arab armies had encircled the holy city and blocked the road to Bethlehem, the patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, assured the faithful: “We will laugh at the demise of our enemies the Saracens [as Christians first called the Muslims] and in a short time see their destruction and complete ruin.” Fourteen hundred years later the Muslims are still in Jerusalem, and with each passing decade Islam figures larger in the minds of Christians, penetrates more deeply into Christian societies, and, by its fixed and impermeable tenancy of a large part of the globe, circumscribes the practice of Christianity".

Again he says

"If, however, one injects into this sanguine narrative the story of Islam, things take on a different coloring. Set against the history of Islam, the career of Christianity is marked as much by decline and extinction as it is by growth and triumph. By a selective choice of periods, events, and geographical regions, the conventional account (the one imagined from the perspective of Europe and North America) gives the impression of continuous progress.

But seen in global perspective, that may be illusory. To state the obvious: Most of the territories that were Christian in the year 700 are now Muslim. Nothing similar has happened to Islam. Christianity seems like a rain shower that soaks the earth and then moves on, whereas Islam appears more like a great lake that constantly overflows its banks to inundate new territory. When Islam arrives, it comes to stay”unless displaced by force, as it was in Spain. But the shameful expulsion of Muslims from Spain is hardly an event Christians would wish to celebrate today".
هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ (33)

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
Qur'an 9:33

From one irrelevant topic to another. We are not playing a numbers game and even if we were, Islam doesn't outnumber Christianity by people count. Your "warlord" was a conqueror of lands and nations yes, but he did not win every battle, some he took some he ran away. But that is not the discussion.

You call me ignorant, I say give me proof of your Prophets Prophetic abilities and stop blabing.

By history, the Quaran is not an original text, the proclaimed Prophet did not jot one word in his time, and the body of work called Quaran was developed after his demise. Not a glorious death at that. Some warlord.

You talk about hell and your belief in how Islam saves you. Funny, for a religion that believes that their God will take their sins and places it on Jews and Christians so his faithful will escape damnation, sounds to me like redemption...sorry, find someone else.

When you want to talk, use well researched arguments. Islam used to be my interest, now I see whats in it. Confusion, Politics, nothing soul certain.

salykely:
Why was the word servant used at all for a suppose son?! So u have to revert back to the dictionary meaning of Prophet. U are only deluding urself. Anything u like hold onto it. But be rest assured if u die in this state u would be one of the inhabitant of blazing hell. Jesus would deny you, that is certain and sure. He never through out his ministry called himself God or son of God. You did

I'm trying hard to avoid arguing with you. Jesus the Son of Marry was nothing but a mighty Messenger of God and a Prophet.

If you are so sure of that then you have nothing to worrt about. Hell is for who hell is for.
Did Jesus call himself the Son of God, in my Bible he certainly did!

Was he a Servant of God? YES. Was he a Prophet? CERTAINLY. Is he the Son of God? U can debate it.

Mohammed, prophet, really? No prophecy, no miracles, no life in him. Is he dead? YES. Is Jesus alive? YES.

If you want proof I will give to you like I have done before.

jelal007:
U didn't catch me in a corner...n u never will. I'll just stop here becos u're wasting my precious time. Of all the authentic sayings of jesus christ u can't point out 1 single statement of christ where he said he is divine. But I can point several quotes that clearly says he's not divine.1. 'I can of my own self do nothing,but whatever he who sent me orders me 2do that's wat I do. Again, when u look at the Lord's prayer it says. Our father who hath in heaven, hallow be THY name (not our name,if he's part of some trinity),THY kingdom come (not our kingdom come) THY will be done on earth as it is in heaven,give us this day our daily bread (now we both know as human beings we eat and we drink-and after that the body only uses some of it,the rest it evacuates. Imagine God eating and defecating) and 4give us our trespasses,as we 4give those who trespass against us and lead us not in2 temptation,but deliver us 4rm all evil but thou art thy kingdom,thy power and thy glory,4ver and ever...amen. Does that sound like God praying 2 himself? Go do more research about John,Mark,Mathew and Luke. They were notin but historians and writers. And which author uses just one name? Have a good day.

The same confusion your Muslim teachers face. Do you study with Zakir Naik?
Mat 6:8 "Therefore do not be like them. For YOUR Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

Mat 6:9 "In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.

The confusion with the understanding of Christian belief is the word God. GOD IS A TITLE. Other gods, your god, my god, creator God. A TITLE.

JUST LIKE you are a boy, ur brother is a boy, your cousin is a boy. When I say Christ is God it is the nature of his being. Understand that before you think you get Christianity to form an argument.

We do not say that Jesus is the Father and the Father is Jesus. We say, Jesus is the Son and when Jesus says I and my Father are one, it means in agreement. Same as when you say you and your father are one. Grammer.

And if the Son is one with the Father then the Son has to perform the will of the Father. GET A BIBLE THEN YOU CAN TALK what you know. STEP ONE.

jelal007:
Lol,whatever floats ur boat. I'm laughing at ur inability 2 answer my questions. Mohd (pbuh) never claimed divinity and neither did jesus. But I say,show me fact where he claimed divinity u CANNOT. U're here quoting john,Mark,mathew,Mark and luke. Bros,it have do abeg. Good day!!!

Mohammed never made any Prophecy yet he is a Prophet. Jesus claims divinity yet you want evidence not in the Bible but somewhere in your very young Quaran that isn't authentic. Mohammed died, Jesus lives. Face the facts...

jelal007:
Hahahahaha,my bro this argument isn't about hurting one another its about smtin else. And u're completely missing the point. I asked 4 proof in the bible where christ (in his own words) called himself God. U haven't done that and yet u're busy trying 2 make dis look like quarrel. Abegy.

Typical laugh when you catch a Muslim in the corner. I am guessing you weren't the one finding proof where Jesus says he is God which I gave proof...

Joh 5:25 "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. Joh 5:26 "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,

Has Mohammed ever called himself the Son or even a Son of God?

If this doesn't show you another place where Jesus speaks of his divinity then you are just another typical Muslim who can read but will shout that it is not there.

jelal007:
I like folks like u who claim 2 read vastly and are quick 2 use insult people. D other guy have being arguing without insults b4 u barged in on our argument. 1st and foremost, 'Mr Read vastly',where in the world have u seen a document written by someone with only one name? A: Nowhere. Every other prophet of God mentioned in the Torah,the bible and Quran...their full names were clearly stated. My argument is,if these folks are genuine anointed men of God,what happened 2 their last names? I didn't ask u 4 where they came 4rm,I asked 4 their names Mr. If u claim 2 knowledgeable,u'll give me the names of these folks I seek. And dude,don't use abusive words here,ok?

Sorry if you found my use of the word "lack" in knowledge on matters of history insulting, it wasn't intended and isn't actually an insult. I am confident to say I lack in knowledge on matters concerning flying a plane, and that is not an insult to me.

Now, the books where the surname of the author isn't given seems like you number one matter of interest. Lets focus on how trying to prove the genealogy of people can hurt.

In the Quaran , Maryam/Mariam/Mary is said to be the daughter of Imran and sister of Aaron. These names are from the Torah with Mariam being the daughter of Imran whose brothers are Aaron and Moses.

The bible scribes will not try to give names to people when they don't have that information unlike the Quaran.

jelal007:
LMAO....dude u're funny. See the way u just wrote all these with so much confidence and yet its false. We're not talking about compilation here Mr man,read up our argument. Okay Zebedee is the father of john? Hmmmmm,what Mathew,Mark and Luke?

Confidence comes from studying vastly. Which obviously you lack or fear for what you will find. I can tell you confidently that Matthew was a tax collector and his lastname was never given so is Luke and Mark but only their occupations. But unlike you who decided not to research I have shown John to be the of Zebeede . Mark, and Luke were not of the 12.

Read your history, Mohammed lacked prophecy and had not written one word in the first collection of the Quaran.

jelal007:
My bro,u're still beating about the bush. The concept of the trinity started with people who never met jesus christ (john,Mark,Mathew and Luke) and were never disciples of jesus.
U said Mathew has no surname;is there any document written by any1,anywia in d world with just 1 name? A:No. That should be a red flag 4 any1 who knws anytin abt books. Even the church authority leaders (outside africa) have made clear dat it is possible (Mark,Mathew,Luke and John) were 'PEN' names.
Now as 4 revelations made thru Mohd (pbuh),u have the Quran. Revealed thru him over a period of 23yrs,which he transferred 2 his followers who have preserved it since dat time. A
As 4 versions of the bible,can u tell me the content of KJV,RSV,GN etc are all the same? Of course not. Becos,in some of the versions of d bible u find some books and in others u won't. The Quran has no versions (it is d same anywia in world. The number of verses and chapters are all d same) but d grammar used in d translation is what's different (naturally so).
And lastly,there's no disagreements in the Quran whatsoever.
So,again wen u're ready 2 answer my question: where in the bible did christ said I am God and should be worshipped? In his OWN words,not d words of mathew,Mark,Luke and John.

John son of Zebeedee. Corrections, Mohammed did not write any part of the first collection of the Quaran as a book in his own writing because he died in 632CE and the Quaran was made into a written document in 634CE by some of the living followers who could recite it from heart.

The best reciter of the Quaran was killed at war before the documentation began. The same way the first books were documented of the bible after Christ ascended.

Study your history...Quaran did not fall from the sky neither did Mohammed pen it before he was killed.

Saheed69:
You can have believe in any religion or belong to any religion. "To you is your religion and to me is my religion".

Sometime I blame some of the Christian also, why would you go to the north and you start talking rubbish about their faith.

What do you think will happen to a Muslim that go into Aba or Portharcout market and start saying Jesus is not God/lord and that Christianity is a scam?

For your information am a Muslim and I have I Christian friend that we have been together since our secondary school days and until today we are still going strong. Do you know the success of our friendship? we don't discuss about our religion.

You can go to any part of the world and say anything a out Christians or Christ and NOTHING will happen to you asides probably told to leave the area or being ignored.

And you know that is the way Christians will act. But if you start calling people cowards cause they won't react to you provocative words...u might must find someone who will cut an ear like Peter did.

You can't compare worldover the patience of the two religions.

gaffig:
That's a lie, your book ur belief, my book my belief, Since your book never mentioned MUHAMMAD then keep off and we will live in peace

Your are the kind of Muslim I like. YOUR BOOK UR PROBLEM MY BOOK MY PROBLEM. But if you ask a question about mine and call my Christian belief false relative to yours, then if you call my Christ a bastard and a liar, I will call your Mohammed a scoundrel and a thief.

salykely:
Why was he regarded as a Prophet in his days?

Definition of a Prophet: One who can tell the past and reveal the future.

Prophecy: A saying of things to come true in the future.

Jesus prophetic proof: 100% so he was called a Prophet.

Elijah's prophetic proof: 100% so he was called a Prophet.

Mohammed's prophetic proof: None found till date.

Another mistake. The word Servant of God does not mean Slave of God.

jelal007:
Now we're getting smwia. U've taken time 2 tell me who the disciples were (which I don't need anyway,cos a learned muslims will knw that),but wat u've failed 2 explain is who. Mathew mark,luke and john were. Their 1st names,which u failed 2 mention. And a single crystal-clear statement wia christ said I am God worship. We muslims,we believe in the phenomenal birth of jesus,his miracles,his message and he never made mention of anything about him being divine. Even wen d people of his time asked him hw de did his miracles...he said: I can of myself do nothing,but wat so ever he who sent me orders me 2do,that wat I do. My point here is that there exaggerations in the bible;things that the romans put there...and it all started with d likes of mathew,mark,luke n john (who were never companions or disciples of jesus christ). Besides,do u know dat u xtians dnt even agree wat d bible is anymore? There r over 500 versions of the bible 2day.U xtians differ on the number of verses n chapters in the bible. I ask u 2 read the history of the church and ask urself sm hard questions. Why should any1 attribute things 2 jesus was he never called himself?

The surnames of the disciples are clearly stated: John the son of Zebadee. Mathew has no surname stated and Mark is not a disciple.

I can tell you to show me in the Quaran where Mohammed says, I am a Prophet and here are my Prophecies...but sure Mohammed made none.

You talk of the early fathers of the Church and the disagreements they had...none had a disagreement on Christ divinity. They have had a disagreement on his teaches or who which document to include but the history of the Quaran has also had disagreements on which documents are authentic and worthy of inclusion.

Also, to correct you, there is no such thing as version of the bible...the actual word is Translation...google it.