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Hmmm!funny...nobody here has the right to call anybody a gambler,we are all speculators even if u trade fundamentals and as we all should know by now, fundamentals dont always work.u can't b certain all the time which way the market would go so you simply speculate using technicals and fundamentals if u re lucky u can speculate wit a high probability ratio of 90% that your target would be hit.its generally a combination of skill,risk management,risk appetite and even luck....yes luck.So do what works for you but please try not to BLOW YOUR ACCOUNT.

Chio chio chio

poik:
Brother.

Leaving that Roman Catholic church would be the best thing you did for your soul.
I have been there, done that. My parents are beefing me for that but I don't care.
Let the Bible guide your choice of faith. You don't offer acceptable worship to God in a strange land. In Deuteronomy 16, it says worship where I put My name.
The catholic church is just a system where roman idolatry was Christianized. You can't background any of their doctrines rightly in the Bible. From Trinity, to worship of Mary, to Christmas, Easter,....even their version of holy communion....everything is just anti-Scripture.
Look for a church that comes closest to Biblical doctrines as you can find. Else you stand the risk of having run this Christian race in vain.

So u worshipped mary as a catholic?and you can't back any of her doctrines from the bible?......YOU! My friend were never a catholic..God's love be with you.

Sacluxpaint:
The problem with you is that you tried to seek answers with a carnal mind(1 Corinthians 1:20-31). Did you genuinely give your life to Christ? Did you personally accept him as your personal lord and saviour? Instead you went to a priest who is a human being like you and he gave you books of human wisdom.(James 1:5) . Let God be true and every man a liar( Romans 3:4).Even if Jesus appears before you today, you would still run to virgin mary and the saints. If you want to seek God, worship him in truth and in spirit(John 4:24). God bless you and help your soul to seek divine understanding. Amen.

Did you think before writing this,or are all this just assumptions from a mindset with a feeling of grandiose? Go find out the problem with you before you see that in others. Again to mariner and sacluxpaint and any other protestant(funny beyond words),for as long as you are a christain you are still doing something Catholic. Stick to your beliefs and drop your know it all attitude.

Mariner007:
What I am meaning to do is to let my friends know that there is only 1 God and not 3 as they believe. Nothing like trinity.

Truly u are ignorant,been observing your post and trying to avoid this but what the hell,no catholic believes in tree gods.drop ur know it all attitude and get your facts right, if u truly want to have a meaningful discussion (obviously it seems like u want to say u know better and your words are absolute).

Sacluxpaint:
Thank you my sister, tell Dunkum and Gemale. They base their faith on historical teachings that deviates from the word of God.

If that's me u re talking about then i dont base my faith in historical teachings,bt rather the word of God.
I don't bother quoting bible verses because like i keep saying we wld go in circles......Evidently we still are.
I only tried to make some of us here who are christains see the irony in attacking the catholic church,using logic and reasoning(didn't help either).
Once again stick to your beliefs and live judgement and the likes to God.

italo:
You're confused. It was protestants that cut out the Apocryphas, that's why they have 66 books in their bible. We have the Apocryphas, we call then Deuterocanonical books till date in our Bible of 73 books.

This is just to show how all you wrote up there is driven by ignorance and hate.

Truly Na ignorance my brother,i say this time and time again.....let us all stick to our beliefs and live others be.

Mariner007:
Get me right o!! I said based on your belief that you compiled the bible, you should not therefore argue with what the Bible says..

As a matter of fact, Catholicism is a big No, and I'll keep questioning it all my life.

Explain where you get your water baptism from. Let's know if it's the same bible we talk about.

Ok bye!

Mariner007:
The bible is not a product of the church. That is just like saying that the CREATOR is the product of the CREATION. The Bible is God's Word and not of man.

By the way if catholics compiled the bible I believe they should look at the book they claim to have compiled and believe on that same book. Or is the book an error now?

If they compiled the bible, they should show me one person, just one person that was baptized based on the trinitarian doctrine. i.e Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The bible was written by men inspired of the Holy Ghost. The acts of apostles were not the acts of men but the acts of the Holy Ghost in men.

Yea yea......more mumble jumble trying to shy away from the truth,since you agree the church compiled the bible why don't you question why they left out some books afterall they were all inspired by the holy ghost,right? As a Christian If you question the catholic church,question your faith.......if you still don't get this well

Oh!and since you know ur bible so well you don't need to be shown anything i guess.

Mariner007:
What is trinity then?
Let's talk about that in terms of "Water Baptism".
Which catholics do it based on the trinitarian doctrine.

"But there never was a person ever in all the pages of the Bible, ever baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. There never was a person baptized in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost until the early Catholic church. It's not in the Bible nowhere. And if anybody can find a piece in there, and tell me and show me where one person was baptized using the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost please show me, for I've went through and through and through and through and through it for twenty-some-odd years now. And it's an error. It's a Catholic creed and not a Bible command."

The same bible the catholics compiled for u abi? Thats the irony of it all....you already have your beliefs,stick to it....na plenty talk you dey find.

Sacluxpaint:
I started as an altar boy, went through the sacraments till confirmation. Joined the choir,legion of mary, st rita. Almost started a block rosary in my parish. I might even school you as a novice catholic.

http://www.bible.ca/cath-why-I-left.htm

Please read that article and search yourself, there is a youtube video of rev father that left AFTER 25 years of being a priest and over 40 years of being a catholic, he said he left because of his concern for his soul than observe traditions.

You have just proved me right man, you my friend were never a 'PRACTICING' Catholic no need sending me links to poorly constructed crap for gullible people to swallow and start wavering ......oh and u can't school me( I know my faith).As usual all i see is contradicting statements( yes i read some* of the crap there) that most of which our protestant bros and sis in nairaland have spewed countlessly. anybody can claim to be a priest and put up stuff and i doubt that guy ever was especially after what i saw.

Like i said before except you read the 'Gnostics' and other early text not included in the bible and take them seriously.....then you are still doing something 'CATHOLIC'......if you are going to quote me again,do tell me if u read the gnostics.

We are deviating from the actual topic tho.

Sacluxpaint:
If I bring out my facts about the catholic faith, we would do a part 2 of this thread but I m tired of arguing because even if I show u back to back facts, u would still hail Mary. So let's agree to disagree.

Please educate us...u might be saving a soul(hahaha-sacarsm of cos)....u were never a true 'PRACTICING' Catholic thats if u ever were.since Jesus died for our sins then no need asking for forgiveness,let us continue sinning after all we have been forgiven thats wat u re trying to paint here.....i am sure u still worship on sunday,do christmas and easter..and mayb even do communion service in wateva church u re?...For as long as u do any of the former and do not read the 'Gnostics and other early text' and take them seriously like the Bible u are so proud of...then u my friend are not as free of the Catholic church and her practices as u think.

spanishkid:
Warri is the economic hub of Delta state and not Asaba. Urhobos, Itsekiris and Ijaws are the big 3 of Delta state but why would the capital of a state be located in the outskirts of a state rather than the middle of a state? Warri is more economically viable than Asaba. What does Asaba and the whole of Delta North contribute to the IGR of Delta state?

Mariam Babangida decided to use politics due to her husband being the head of state as at then to cheat the Urhobos, Itsekiris and Ijaws by moving their capital to the most remote part of Delta State. The time has come for the Urhobos, Itsekiris and Ijaws to take back rightfully belong to them. Delta North are a minority in Delta state. The capital should either be in Warri, Ughelli or Abraka.

Cc: tonyebarcanista, Goodboiyy, martineverest, enahi, edcure, mulattoclaro, simplycarro, fineguy11, etc.

Mods this is front page material.

This kind of mentality my friend, is the reason why Nigeria hasn't progressed as much as it should.

Xplicit007:
Is the position still opening?

Nope its not.

HELLO AGAIN!where all of una go?

spiralwedge:
Catholicism keeps its relevance by making itself complex, keep members from reading/meditating on the Bible by themselves and for lazy people who just want to be religiously content.

If you ask me, Catholicism is not Christianity, its a syncretized Roman religion made to like Christianity.

Hahaha!......................

I advice catholics to live these guys to their self righteousness, tell them to disregard the bible and read the gnostics since the Bible was put together from single scriptures by a satanist church(their word not mine) into the bible as we know.... That's the irony of it all,if the catholic church is of satan then the bible is of satan too since the church left out some books(not all may understand the irony here).Then it must mean those books left out are the true works of God if these jokers are to tell themselves the truth?

Its simple logic......assuming we are to put religion aside and think like we are supposed to.

Good bye friends and foes in christ

analice107:
I don't understand why these Catholics refer to the compilation of the Bible as an achievement. The Bible was written and long completed before the catholic church saw the light of day. Tell us the Catholics wrote the entire Bible already.
This same Catholic Church fought with their last drop of blood trying to keep the Bible locked up in Rome.
Do you guys think that Christ didn't know how to get His word across to His people without the satanic Catholic Church? O yea, He left heaven, came down here, died and resurrected but didn't have what it took to spread his words
Ask yourselves this. From the first century which Christ died till the fourth century that the Catholic Church was formed, how did the early church believers in Christ managed? Was they no word of God for them? You guys are just so dump to keep singing about the compilation of the Bible.
Men who tried to translate the Bible (the same feat the catholic church taking credit for) to their own people in their own languages were burnt alive and the Bible burnt along side those men. Pls give peace to my ears with the Catholics compiling and giving me the Bible. If the Bible is a secret document to the catholic church, why did they burnt and stampede it's spread?
Hypocrites, who wanted the Bible relegated to one single language which very few folk will understand so that, like Islam it can be used as an instrument of control over the people.
Upon this rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The catholic church, which gave birth to Islam, is the major gate of hell against the Church of Jesus Christ, seconded by Islam her child.

Hahaha,why you dey para...i never said the catholic church wrote the bible,go back and read again.since you are so religious and the best christian out there(in-fact you alone knows God's heart and desire) why not read the other books that we 'the catholics' didnt include in the bible you are so proud of and take them seriously just like the bible, since the catholic church is of Satan? its simple logic madam....read my signature mayb u wld understand where i am coming from.i try as much as possible to avoid this discussions because it only goes in circles. You lot just turn to judges and condemn like you are the creator himself and continously open threads saying catholics do this and catholics do that.All i see here is hate speach especially frm u miss know it all,the catholic church gave birth to islam?....ok.....don't lead people to sin....Serve your God.

Don't bother quoting me.......

vooks:
I read them out of interest. I don't believe in them as such

Ok good again,u dont believe them as such because they were never included in the bible( i guess),the bible that was put together 'as we know it' by the church u are always trying to paint as satanist and condeming where possible nd dnt tell me about martin luther he was a catholic priest too(tho he left)......so except u want to throw away the bible too and start believing in all other written text not included in the bible.....live everything to God.....let him be the judge.Nobody knows it all.

vooks:
Not really, unless it's necessary

Ok good, if i may ask;why do you read them and do you believe in what they say?

vooks:
Why does Roman Catholicism imagine itself to the the only true church?

1. They believe they have all the sacraments(baptism,Eucharist and confession to a priest)
2. They believe they have the 'sacred tradition'
3. They believe they have a leader, a pope who unifies people, and is a product of apostolic succession
4. They believe Catholicism has the 'four marks of a true church' and therefore it possesses 'fullness of the truth'

Next, we will examine each of these claims separately

Hey vooks!do you read the gnostics and all other early books not included in the bible?

Letsgoandfuck:
The bible recorded that mary was the mother of jesus. No doubt, we all honour her because of the roles she played in bringing forth the saviour. Meanwhile, she was only favoured amongst other virgins in her time. She wasnt the only virgin as at that time; neither was she more righteous than the others. Permit me to say she was just lucky.

Some of the reasons we must stop praying to her.

John 14: 6 . jesus said, i am the way, the truth and the life, no one cometh to the father except through him.

The bible didn't say we can talk to God through Mary. Mary's role ended when jesus became an adult.

Moreso, Mary was not included in the Trinity. Mary was like you and I while she was on earth. She had no extra powers. Let's not attribute extra powers to her.

Finally

,Exodus 20:4 (KJV) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Why bow to an image? Image of Jesus, mary Joseph or God himself!

In the book of Revelation 19:10 (KJV) And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

That was john trying to bow to an Angel, but the angel stopped him, if the angel hadnt stopped him, it means tge Angel wants to equate himself to God.

Pls. Make una leave mary o. She is not God, neither does she deserve praise or worship.

Assuming that you are in all definitions a true Christian (can't say for sure,your handle raises questions).what are you trying to achieve here?.........i am guessing traffic?

wizzyrainy:
please where exactly is nestoil u went to?

if u knw any of their offices around u go there,their polices should b the same.

danidee10:
i truly believed in the teachings of the church, did ur eyes skip the parts were i said i was baptized and currently i'm still a practicing communicant...the decision is still up to me to LEAVE i so i don't need your advice....also i've been in the catholic circle all my life....Pry School was catholic, Secondary School was catholic, University was Catholic....i don't believe the whole church is disgusting i said the things i saw in the university...when did university == the catholic church...i know a lot of good priests and people in the catholic church so i'm not condemning the catholic church

i will never condemn anybody cuz i know i'm not perfect....i have my own flaws and things that i have done in the past that i'm not proud of...nobody has the right to condemn anyone

....as for having some of my teachings that i believe is the truth...it's not some it's just one and it was stated in the bible

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF aka TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED

If everyone and every religion really followed this single truth the world will indeed be a better place

My brother you have already condemned the church.......ur statements are contradictory.First you find it hard to believe in the teachings of the church u were born in den after @kamxin's assertions u say u truly 'believed' in most of her teachings, and moments later it is only one of Her teachings you believe in?Wonderful!that from a communicant?......which do we believe in?.
when i see some things written by some so called 'Catholics' it makes me wonder if they ever were.

Well i just have to conclude that in most of these cases the problem is nt with the churches but with the individuals.
Quote me if you like but i won't reply u....go and think hard.

wizzyrainy:
Pls any of offer intenship for students?

First of where do you stay in naija? Most coys take interns more.....i was at chevron,nest oil and a few other coys for cv submission and almost all needed interns.if u can locate dem walk dere and submit ur i.t docs,u can also get there adresses online and mail ur i.t application to them.Goodluck

italo:
Forget about whether I have time or own nairaland or not. That's none of your business.

Focus on the truth I'm telling you.

I ve told u to leave this matter,no need educating people who are have a certain mind set,u re nt goin to change that evidently.....(u ve nothing to prove).they do christmas and easter some strtd holy comunion service afta first condemning it, and even read d bible that was first presented/put together by the church they condemn.i wld rather listen to a muslim or an atheists arguments......that i cld understand....Jst serve ur God and dnt condemn others.

italo:
Why did Jesus tell the apostles to baptize people, and break bread for people, and to teach people, and give them authority to forgive sins, and give them the keys to the kingdom of God?

Is that not Jesus making them intermediaries?

Hahaha!

This your religion is contrary to that of Jesus and the apostles o.

Its ok man.......every body with e own belief......this talk no go end if you continue....no need going in circles.

superior1:
It is written Holy Spirit.

Thanks for that i have made the necessary modification.

Speechless3:

I cant determine something way beyond me. This is ridiculous.

Well thanks for your honesty.

Leaving religion and or faith out of this and applying reasoning, No offence!but you clearly have a mental block........it looks to me that you just want to be told its ok to continue in your way.well i would stop talking on this issue here.......I pray you find your way eventually. Good luck.

superior1:
She needs the Holy Spirit and not any church for guidiance

One of the many reasons why i don't like engaging in these kind of conversations.
Shey na the Holy spirit just come down tell her about God?,Someone had to tell her there is a God and e.t.c.
I am nt saying you are wrong though,but we need to they apply logic some time.

analice107:
Anyone who has read the Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, can not feel okay in Catholic Church, believe me, I know. It happened to me.

Even terrorist believe in their way,that they are doing God's will..........since you have the help of the holy spirit i am sure u would understand that.i wld stop here.

Speechless3:
If someone had told me i will be making a life changing decision like this many years ago i would have been enraged, not at he or she but at the force that would dare cause that.

Was born a catholic, baptised by a priest and cofirmed by the state bishop. I annexed to this by becoming a member of the legion of mary (tho left at one time) i was still faithful to the blessed virgin mary with my bead ritual.

The truth is i only had to do this and that and then the other and relax. By relax, i mean do what ever i wanted. Club, have sex, drink, curse, lie, cheat, disobey other authorities, go nude etc as long as i came back for confession all the time and obtained mercy from God through the priest, i was fine. Maybe they didnt think it was fine i.e my lifestyle but the silence and indifference they showed, gave me the wrongest impression. After all i was always encouraged to go for confession like my life was hanging on it.

This is something that all catholics will understand. After confession we feel a bit unburdened with guilt...for a while. I dont know about others, but mine was not always more than an hour and i would be back to square one (or may be i never left there but thought i did). I was not freaky about the sunday communion thing like others cos i didnt think i was worthy.

Going to the university exposed me to other religious groups. I didn't like the way they shouted while praying but i admired the way they reverred the bible and talked about Christ more.
I thought the catholic church was doing little in the teaching of biblical truths but was still a good model for other churches, mushroom churches.

There were times i made resolutions to turn a new leaf but they always never came to a fruition.
Up till now. I couldn't, i cant keep them. All the rules of right living get lost on me. I just cant change. Talked with our priest every day about this after our doctrinal classes (joined the Opus dei) He suggested i read books of saints who had lived and overcame evil and of course by following the many laid down rules and rituals of the church. I read about mother Theresa, Pope John Paul the II, Saint José maria. Still nothing. It only made me feel unworthy but no power in them.

I decided to read the bible at last after so many procrastinations. I started with John and i have not seen any slight resemblance with the Church. I will continue with Matthew, Mark and Luke this month.

So many things in this old boring book are startling me.

Hey! i am a catholic too,am i facing some of your issues?......yes......that hasn't made me waver in my beliefs,even if u leave the church,the issue of committing sin would most like continue(we are human afterall....even priest would tell you that),plus u already have a mind set that u JUST CAN'T CHANGE,The church isn't doing little in teaching the bible truth..common!they even have bible weeks.....they are catholics who read the bible even more than priests.....U even call the holy book 'Boring'.....all i see here is a pattern(troubling actually).....i have like a billion things to say but i no wan write epistle and i believe i have touched some key areas.

The church like other churches or mosque is there to guide you........it is you who would determine the rest.