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[quote author=MrMbaM post=39002586][/quote]Very good exposé. This is a matter of understanding. The Deji should have pointed out this tradition to the Eze Igbo calmly just to give him benefit of doubt. Even yabbed him humorously of not knowing tradition. Then if its really important to him, asked the Eze Igbo to come back without the crown for the deliberation. That way no one would react inappropriately.

These things just need understanding and good spirit. The Eze Igbo humbly visited the king the next morning after a late night summon and dobaled with his crown on. I guess thats where the problem came. If the Deji looked at him and laughed at his ignorance of tradition while admonishing him to go back and come without a crown that would have been best. Trying to remove the crown from him in peoples presence is embarrasing and I can bet that Eze did not know this tradition. The Yoruba are a wise and accomodating people no doubt. This kind of response from Deji would have even unseated the market chairman before the next meeting as the Eze Igbo would be negotiating from a position if little power.

Can we please have decorum here and address the issues.

This is likely a problem of misunderstanding of cultures and communication breakdown.
My understanding as below and based on the post:

1. Deji and his people took offense at Eze Igbo wearing a crown to his palace while summoned. Perhaps a core Yoruba tradition ? Perhaps not, as it was mentioned that Obi of Onitsha cannot remove his crown while visiting the deji as well.

One thing comes to mind from the Eze Igbos perspective. Once given the Eze Igbo title, you are Eze of your people and removal of your crown before anyone be it king or servant is unacceptable traditionally. However, if the Deji was worried about which king is higher, which obviously is not in question, the Eze Igbo showed who is superior by dobale when he came. Also he showed respect by coming to see the Deji when he was summoned. So if you get summoned by a king and respectfully go, Dobale and honour the king as your superior, should the king dishonour you by asking you to remove your crown? He is also a king of his own people. One would see the Igbo people's reaction to the action meted out to their king. If he werent their king, they would not protest at the Dejis gate. However, there should have been a better response though. If the Akure youth would try to man handle a king of his own people even though less than the Deji in statute in their own eyes, a wise Deji would have stopped them. If he was still not happy with the crown on the Eze Igbos head even though he responded to the summon and respectfully dobaled, he would have just told him plainly that its not acceptable to wear the crown before the Deji and that he should come back another day without the crown. Thats wisdom.

About the markets, it seems the majority of people selling there are Igbos and would want to keep their interests. Just maybe, if there are more Igbos in that area, an election or selection would most likely return an Igno Chairman for the market.

In the interest of peace, let there be understanding. Let young people not go about throwing senseless ideas online. The issue can be resolved. It wont go down well with the Igbos to not have a leader to represent their interests in the market while respecting the tradions of their host. It wont go well too to disrespect the Deji by violent protest or also manhandling the Eze Igbo.

Agbaletu:
In case the mother has 3 daughters and no son, how are they going to share the inheritance like houses and land?

Today, they can inherit it if there is a will written by their father to them; though with some opposition from the men of the family. It depends on the level of enlightenment. If it were before and also in some very conservative areas now, they would very likely lose the land to their father's brothers but gain other property. Not fair though

In Imo, Orlu area this is the tradition:

1. Father's Property:First son inherits his father's house and compound where he died, including the Obi in that compound. Any other lands owned are shared among the other male children equally with the first son taking his share first. In most cases since the Father's compound is traditionally large, the first son may waive his right to take his share of the other lands first in order for the other sons to have some larger portions. The First son is at will also to give his fathers house to his brother if he the first son is already living in his own plot and there is land scarcity. He is not bound to do this but just to accommodate his kin. This has caused some problems in some families

2. Mother's Property: Daughters inherit all their mother's personal effects like jewelry, kitchen utensils, clothing, vehicles, money, artifacts etc. The first daughter or Ada is in charge of sharing these with her sisters whereby she is entitled to take the shares first. For house and landed property owned by the mother, it is the inheritance of the last son.

Now the daughters have other inheritances that are continuous. At any time they come to their home, they are entitled to harvest from their mother's farm land. The place their mother was farming before she died. This farm land may be the inheritance of one of the sons but once their is no house built on it, the daughters would first have the portion to farm and then cut a farming portion to any of their brother's wives in need if farm land.

The daughters own all economic trees owned by their mother. They can tend to them and sell the proceeds.

The daughters sons can be given land inheritance to live if the daughters marriage is threatened and/or the father disowns them. This is normally done by the girls father if he is alive. A beloved grandson of any of the daughters can inherit or receive gifts of land from his grandfather and it is binding.It is mandatory for the brothers to accommodate their sister in the case of failed marriage even though huge efforts are made to avoid this situation. Also on every visit of a daughter from her marital home, she can take any crop item or harvest she likes from her brothers. Gifts are given to a daughter as courtesy by her brothers.

In this case, love is always better than war. Call your immediate family together, understand the situation to know if your sister's investment is in that shop. Calm the situation and politely refer to your inheritance. You can work out ownership as yours and then share the rent. The love of family is greater than any inheritance

Until the culture of merit is enshrined unequivocally, Nigeria would never progress. It reeks of bigotry that someone would promote such discrimination against bright children all over the country.

How does the concept of quota system for unity schools make sense to a SW/SE child that scored high but was denied admission because another child who is an absolutely poor performer takes that chance. We are killing our best minds and promoting poor performance from childhood.

So, due to quota systems imagine we keep pushing these 7/100 scorers until through university and give them big tasks like say drilling an oil well

Our president said the attacks were not ideologically influenced. Thats worrisome

People are just blinded. The Igbos staying or leaving Nigeria, they still win as it is now.

1. Staying in Nigeria: they own 100% of the SE economy where other groups do not venture and cannot compete. They own large amounts of business ventures in SS and Lagos. Then increasingly smaller amounts of SW &NC, reduced amounts in NE and NW due to terror in those regions. No other people have that reach nationwide while keeping 100% of theirs. The more they stay, the more they retain other parts of the economy and use the proceeds to develop their homeland where no others can reach. And they cannot lose an inch of SE because the belief nationwide is that nothing good is there. Their only limitation being in Nigeria is low federal investment in their region and suppression of their excellence through quota systems and federal character. But that wont matter much anymore in the next 7 yrs given their strategy of focus homeward now. We pushed them to that!

2. Leaving Nigeria and forming Biafra:they still retain 100% of their economy but this time they control the policy direction to favour their countrys prosperity and freedom ( this is what most of them actually want) . Their investments in SW and NC would never be forefieted rather things would be made more difficult for their businesses there thereby raising their associated costs and therefore the regions costs since their interest there are significant. Some would be frustrated back home but they can build in since aost every igbo man has a house back home.

About SS, they do not need them to be part of the Biafra cause to succeed, huge oil and gas deposits especially gas abound in imo river basin, ohaji-egbema-oguta, njaba river basin, imo-anambara river basins, nekede to name a few, all untapped and cheap to exploit as they are land assets.their profitability is still goos at $15-20 a barrel, ask any knowlegdeable oil and gas professional. Its amazing how much people dont know Nigerian geography. Nnewi, aba, awka, onitsha, would have all the gas they need for manufacturing and shipping through parts of ph which would be in Biafra.


They can build an IT customer service economy like india where phone calls etc are handled.they are hard working and enterprenueral.

viruz007:
Is Opobo in the Biafra land or in Niger Delta Land?

Opobos are Igbos.

Dude, you are awesome. I like your thinking.

buygala:
Please someone should explain to me some unclear matters in this thread


If the men died in the canal on Thursday qnd were discovered on Saturday, then why are their bodies so neat and not bloated? ..Rigor mortis and bloating sets in real fast when someone dies in such watery circumstances .... see how neat the clothes on one of the corpses are... even the white in his faded jean is still shining

Secondly, how were the armed robbers identified even as they were being pursued around 8pm, a time which entails highly reduced recognition possibilities even with streetlights.... Unless the robbers took pishures with the police or vigilante before escaping, what criteria did the police use in concluding that the corpses were the armed robbers of Thursday night?


Thirdly, if the corpses are still 'suspects', why give the dead bodies a bad name, parading them online as armed robbers?


My point is, I don't believe this story one bit .... If a story can't be properly reported, it shouldn't be reported at all ....Both the Nigerian
Police and Punch newspapers need some lessons in proper propaganda dissemination

I agree with blending water melon with pineapple. Done it before and it just makes the water melon great. If you would go for singles, then orange does it. I doubt fresh water melon juice would last more than a day even with cooling in the fridge

Is Osibanjo truly qualified to make this visit. The last time they said he does not have security clearance to attend a security meeting. Why send him to BKF run by coupists?

Can a keke napep outrun a police van even if you give it a 20minute head start. Why didnt they chase the keke with their van and catch him? The police man should be jailed for life and other members of his team dismissed including their DPO. Enough of innocents dying in police hands!

How much would it cost to get a clean 14 or 18 seater passenger bus, from 2005 upwards? Good product like VW, Mercedes, toyota etc

How much can one get a toyota coaster bus 2007/08 and above model from Cotonou?

Is this related to the purported sack of over 1200 Staff by Zenith Bank recently?

Are there more sacks underway from other banks based on the loss of revenue to a single account?

What would be the cumulative effect of a large scale retrenchment of bank workers to the economy given the already high unemployment?

Granted it stems corruption a good extent, would this be good action based on the balance of negative consequences versus merits?

Could there have been a scaled response to plug loopholes and prevent retroactive effects?

People missed asking Ted how a double-visioned, slow-moving, led-by-the-hand giant came to represent a tribe of warriors with their kingdom and lives at stake! How did that slowpoke Goliath even make it through war school and actual wars, to represent philistine? Nice try Ted. David may have been a great slinger and that showed that God uses the seemingly small to baffle the profound. God's hand is there

There is nothing wrong with the statement. Its clear. Its also not undiplomatic.

Transportation in Lagos is far more expensive than Abuja oo. In Abuja you can take a cab for 500 bucks. Thats impossible in lagos at least on the island

That our president does not understanf inclusive government is seriously embarrasing. The moderator even gave him tit bits like women, etc. it is scary the level of discrimination running in out president's mind.

This is indefensible. How can we resolve this abomination?

Why is this not on front page for further elucidation?

I will pose 2 scenarios:

1. Biafra with 100% Igbo citizens land i.e. Ex-non-Igbo speaking communities:

A. Natural resources:
(i) Energy:
-Massive coal deposits in Enugu - coal powered plants for entire region;
-Huge untapped gas deposits in Njaba & Nekede Imo state; cheap exploitation due to onshore location; enough for gas plant to electrically power the nation.
-Oil wells in Ohaji, Oguta, Anambara, Njaba basins. Petrochemicals manufacturing
-Refinery already in Anambara; other refineries could be set up to meet local

(ii) Solid Minerals:
-Kaolin in Okigwe for ceramics industry; electric distribution insulators, pottery, refractory bricks for furnaces
-limestone in okigwe/Ebonyi Axes
-Iron Ore in Anambara state, supplemented by scrap Iron for metal works
-granite in Enugu and environs for construction works
-Dolomite supporting iron works

Human Resources:
Undoubtably the most resourceful in Nigeria. Strong skilled hands to build the nation. Highly educated, with enterprenueral spirit wouls achieve great things

Water ways:
Unlike most people think, there are water channels to the atlantic via phc. The River Niger would be a great inter-aquatic channel with south south neighbours.

Freedom: very important for building a merit based system devoid of quotas, federal characters and all such poor ideas that restrain excellence. The best people for the best jobs; only. Round pegs in round holes. No monthly allocations, you eat what you produce, and pay tax to the center. & produce they will. Validated!

(iii) Agriculture:
-rice in Ebonyi (Abakiliki), Akaeze etc
- palm oil all states
- poultry farms and fish farms easily replicated without restraint
-vegetables all states
-tubers; yam, cassava, potatoes all states

To be continued...

This should be the commisioners work naa. Its in this countryppl see the governor doing this lower offices should do.

He should get his team to hit the ground running jare.

Though this may be good, Governors are
not meant to be doing these kind of jobs. Ministry of works officials should be doing these.

By the way, i doubt this policy would reduce traffic in those areas significantly.

People, I am yet to make meaning of this topic. This ADC was my camp commandant and is a fine officer. I do not think there should be zoning in this job. He is the one meant to take the bullet for his boss and Buhari has chosen whom he trusts.

Lets move on. And by the way, he made camp really fun while instilling discipline. I would choose him as my ADC too.

@saintbeckie: we have not yet determined that the stone-coated sheets last longer than Aluminum sheet because the technology has not yet stayed beyond 15 years in Nigeria.

Aluminium roofing sheets are well suited for roofing in Nigeria due to their excellent corrosion resistance in our weather, durability, high scrap price and 100% recyclability.

Oven-baked aluminum sheet keeps jobs in Nigeria versus imported steel sheets.

Not to antagonize your biz but I take exception to saying that ordinary aluminium sheet lasts 2 years. First understand the aluminium sheet technology before making comparisons. Your either have uncoated aluminium sheet or oven-baked sheets which last longer.

ISpiksDaTroof:
Speaking as a neutral, I would say of all the groups in your country they are the least friendly. They are quite hostile to visitors and it's real work trying to live amongst them.

Its sad how much energy is spent breaking down Igbo-Yoruba relationships; half of that would have delivered greater prosperity for both.

Could you cite true and specific events that gave the conclusion of "least friendly & quite hostile"?

Yinka served in my village in 1993 and we gave him free accomodation in my village home in Imo. He had the other key to our gates, and his own quarters in the main house. He was given the whole space to farm whatever he liked. Very good guy, our whole kindred gave him food gifts as he was seen as a visitor. We only had to stop him from killing and eating the pythons. On finish, he planted a mango tree which we use to remember him to date.

Problem is most Yoruba people don't have as much travel appetite as Igbos and so are few in the SE. If Yinka wanted, he would have settled freely, married an Igbo girl and had land , but he went home after service.

We need understanding and not feelings of superiority. Both tribes are excellent in different matters, the Igbos are more inclined to travel and settle and develop their settlement, not really so much for Yorubas.
The Yorubas are quite accomodating as the Igbos are.