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I used to be a Wizkid hater. But the Pakuromo video converted me into a fan.

Kate Upton is pretty hot

I like Rhianna

Even today in my hometown, we have not written down all of our stories. As the older generations die off, many of these stories will be lost forever.

Should I blame the white man that the history and tales of ekt_bear's hometown are not as well-recorded as that of Macon, Georgia?

What we should be happy about is that, the way the world works these days, you don't have to be handicapped by things your ancestors did not do.

Her ancestors have probably been literate since the time of Christ, mine have only been literate since 1900 or so. Yet we are in exactly the same place in life.

The world is growing more egalitarian, and becoming more of a meritocracy. Information is more freely available than it ever was before.

Python that was invented by some Dutch programmer can be freely used by Nigerians like Seun to build Nairaland. Or an American technology company like Google to build most of their infrastructure.

We are no longer isolated from the rest of humanity.

So, rather than wallowing in fake accomplishments of the past...now is the time to go out and conquer!

Ezeagu.

In my high school, we read portions of The Canterbury Tales (actually, the copy we had also had a translation into modern English.)

This is a collect of stories and was written it seems in the 1300s. So that is what the Europeans were doing in the 1300s. Writing down their culture, history, and stories.

Unfortunately, your ancestors and mine were not doing this in the 1300s. God knows what they were doing, but it certainly wasn't documenting their culture.

In my own personal family, I think my first literate ancestor who could read and write in Yoruba or English was probably my great-grandfather. So like somewhere between 1900 and 1910?

This Jewish white girl I dated once...her family has likely been literate since the time of Christ.

So. Is it the white man's fault that my ancestors didn't record their history, and his did?

They've been writing down stuff they've done for thousands of years. We have not.

Hell, even Hausa at least documented some things in Arabic, ajami, or whatever the heck writing system they had. Your ancestors and mine did not.

Now, I'm not passing blame on them. But neither does it make any sense for me to blame white boy either.

For me:

1. Stationary bike
2. Treadmill
3. Squat rack

(unfortunately, I'll have to do a lot of (1), since my left knee has been giving me trouble the past few weeks )

I can't stand biking or the treadmill. I get really bored.

And I hate the squat rack because if you aren't super, super careful, you can mess up your back. And it is really boring. Not fun like bench presses, curls, etc are.

Awo.

The greatest African in history

Man

Discussing with this dude is like banging your head against the wall. Have fun..I'm going to get a workout in lol.

Peace

Nebeuwa: A very dangerous trend I must say. I love African/Black history just like the next person, but not to the point of stagnation.

Especially, when Europeans and Asians are leading the way in technology. Just look at the recently discovered "God Particle."

The ting tire me o

White man is finding higgs boson, African man (Rossikke) is talking about how his ancestor Blahlbhablah built the pyramids and sh1t.

It is hard to move to the FUTURE when a big fraction of your population is trapped in the past. A FAKE past, for that matter.

OK, I guess there is a bit of terminology difference.

For me, white = "people of European ancestry." I tend to lump them together, whether they are now in Canada, the US, etc or not.

For me, black/African = "people primarily of African ancestry." Again, I tend to sort of lump them together.

If you are attaching different meaning to terms like "white", "black", "African", etc, then perhaps we should clear this up now

What is the difference between European inventions and "white inventions"?

Are whites and Europeans different groups to you?

What is your quibble, exactly?

Also, my point is, they are focused TODAY on saving their country from economic disaster. Do you think at this particular moment they give a sh1t about Aristotle or whatever? They've got bigger problems to face, a mighty dragon that needs to be slayed.

OK, fine. So in every society/culture, there are Rossikes.

But are there more Rossikes in black/African society/culture or in white society/culture? Empirically, what have you observed, as a percentage of the populations?

White people that I know don't give a sh1t about stuff that happened several thousand years ago. This is not what they use to boost their self-esteem.

Granted, there is some bias since I don't actively seek to find the white equivalents of Rossike

I think he believes that when the naira decreases in value, necessarily the value of 1 unit of a Nigerian's labor also decreases.

So if the the naira plummets from N100 versus a dollar to N200 versus a dollar, then the laborer will continue to charge his same N1000 for an hour of labor...meaning he values his labor at half the value just because the naira depreciated.

However, I don't think that things work this way.

This all4naija sef...na wa o

70% of economy

wetin man go hear

I don't have any real reason to do this. Will you see someone post on a random forum, "12 great white inventions that changed the world"

In general, I see less of this need to boost themselves among white people. You see Greeks happy about their contributions thousands of years ago. But they are more focused on solving their current troubles rather than wallowing in a glorious past.

Similarly, I guess in theory the Germans might be somewhat bummed that they didn't do anything 3,000 years ago. But fortunately for the Germans, they have some things today and tomorrow to be happy about..

Anyways...I didn't bother debunking any of these accomplishments seriously because it is somewhat obvious they are a crock.

However, perhaps it is necessary for me to do this, as tedious and boring as this will be for me..

Let's take all4naija's 70% of GDP estimate and see where it leads us.

~2 million barrels of oil per day. ~$100 value. ~365 days.

octave:4> 2*1e6*100*365/1e9
ans = 73

So $73 billion economy from just oil exports. Let's say associated oil services add +50% to that. We get to roughly $110 billion.

Now, using all4naija's 70% figure, we get that the total Nigeria economy is $160 billion.

I think the general sense people have is that Nigeria's economy is closer to $250 billion+, not only $160.

So either the economist are vastly overestimating the size of Nigeria's economy....or this 70% estimate produced by all4naija is way too high.

I'm not opposed to exploring history. But if you do so, then I would hope that you approach it honestly and scientifically.

Not with an agenda (as an exercise to boost racial self-esteem or whatever)

all4naija: Quite as high as 70% as regard value. Naira is worthless, dude!

And what would you estimate the size of Nigeria's economy to be?

all4naija: Read before you post links. This 'For comparison purposes, some non-sovereign entities are included in this list, but only sovereign territories are ranked'

lmfao!

OK, so only look at the sovereign nations there. Do you notice any which have high GDP but negative net imports? There are plenty.....

all4naija: What % of Nigeria's economy would you estimate the oil sector to be?

all4naija: That is possible but it equates to nothing in real sense! No man is an Island.

Heh. I disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_exports

It honestly cracks me up that you think I worship Europeans.

Europeans worship me. Indians and Chinese too, for that matter

I don't have this same racialist sense that you do. I.e., Africans vs. Europeans, blacks vs. whites, etc.

I'm focused on the individual, family, and to a lesser extent my ethnicity.

OAM4J: I wonder o!

like its all about export to survive.

Exactly. You can in theory have 0 net exports, but still have a high GDP.

all4naija: That is a big joke. What is the Naira exchange rate. How much do those agricultural products worth in the international market?

Who cares about international market. Is a man's labor only of value if he can make stuff to sell internationally?

Is pounded yam only of value if you can sell to Yankee?

Won't a Nigerian pay you money for pounded yam too?

manny4life: Exactly!

The other contributors are not generating taxes. If each component of GDP was contributing revenues = to their representing %, then we can do without OIL.

Perfect. Then we are in complete agreement.

So, regarding your comment about Nigeria w/o oil and Somalia.

I take it that you believe that it is impossible to tax those other sectors of the economy? Or something that would take a lot of time to do?

Here are things that are of questionable value:

1. Racial esteem. Just because your race is doing well or poorly doesn't mean that you are doing well/poorly.
2. National esteem. Just because your country is doing well/poorly ""

Here is something of high value:
3. Self esteem.

How does one improve self-esteem? By kicking azz and taking names. And wasting time on figuring out how your ancient ancestor Blahblahblah built the pyramids or whatever isn't going to be as helpful for your prospects over the next week as various other things you can do in your life.

manny4life: Although I must say that OIL represents about 15% of Nigeria's GDP, however, oil represent about 72% of Nigeria's revenues which is what pays her bills. Without revenues, you cannot pay the bills. Please people, yall should stop mixing up Oil's contribution to economic development with Oil as a form of revenue factor. These two are very different.

Great. So manny4life agrees that oil represents a small part of Nigeria's GDP.

However, it represents 90%+ of Nigeria government revenue.

So...this means that the remaining non-oil part of Nigeria's economy is very lightly taxed, yes?

What on earth is racial esteem

How does this help someone get into a good college, pass exams, get a good job, invent cool things, etc

Self esteem is of high value, yes. But racial esteem? What on earth is that?

all4naija: So would you estimate oil at 100% then of Nigeria's GDP? Name some numbers, let's get something concrete from you.

all4naija: Naira has no value. How much do you think those goods and services carried out within the country worth?!

Of what relevance is the Naira in this. OK, what of yam. Or pure water. Or a man laboring 12 hours a day, 360+ days a year. Do these things have economic value to you?

Or are they all worthless, and only oil is of value?