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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:38am On Feb 06, 2022
KingTom:

No I do not support the Ronaldo Hindering theory, what I didn't understand is that the season you highlighted wasn't his highest scoring season. No count me join with people wey dey dance ontop Ronaldo say e hinder our players. I think I understand your point now, you're saying he should be consistently on 30+ giving the space and the fact that he's the main man now.

Which other season did he score more than 24 goals?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:05am On Feb 06, 2022
BikeMan:
You shared only La Liga goals, I hope you know that cheesy

And your screenshot even shows that he's consistently scoring more goals since Ronaldo left him, already has 17 league goals this season.

Example

If you remove Lawandowski from Bayern Munich and put even Chicharito as their main striker, he will consistently score more goals because he becomes the ONLY focal point.

Today, if you remove all out forwards and play Martial as the main man, he would consistently score higher than his previous season. But it wouldn't mean that anyone was hindering him. He could not match them when all are played

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:02am On Feb 06, 2022
KingTom:

You said one team suffered heavily without a particular player, meaning the player was the backbone of the team, while the other team played just as well without their star man. Thus you can infer that the latter would've carried his teammates along more than the former. Na the point wey I say you buttress be that. Morning bro

That is not how 'without stats' works. It means Barca had better players than Madrid. Without Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Sanchez, Fabregas, etc could easily win.

Ronaldo efforts made Madrid to even get close to being at par with that Barca team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:20am On Feb 06, 2022
KingTom:

I no understand this picture grin

You didn't want to understand. They claim that Ronaldo was hindering him. But when I checked, he scored his highest goal in a season while playing with Ronaldo, even with fewer appearances than now. Ronaldo is gone and Benzema being the main man cannot score 24 goals again with more matches.

Can we also say that Ronaldo was hindering Rooney at Man United? When Ronaldo was gone, Rooney hit 26+ EPL goals twice. But that was because he became the main man. When there are many big players at once, the goals are shared, and the best player/scorer have more /most of the goals.

Lastly, people should not compare Benzema to Suarez. Suarez is far better. He is capable of out scoring any team mate. Messi was not there (did not help Suarez) when he won the golden boot in the EPL. He was not there when he help Athletic Madrid to win Laliga last season.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:04am On Feb 06, 2022
BikeMan:
Consistently scored more than 20 goals every season since Ronaldo left but you still can't see it. Fear God grin

This is because he is now playing all alone there as a poacher. He should be doing minimum of 30, but the guy is lazy. If you remove him today and play Ronaldo there, you will be hearing 35 to 40 goals.

If you play alone in a big team it is easy to score above 20 goals.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:01am On Feb 06, 2022
KingTom:

Your analysis actually further buttresses his point

It doesn't. Benzema scored his highest EPL goals (24) while with Ronaldo.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:49am On Feb 05, 2022
hensben:
Go check how many games messi has played for psg so far compared to Cr7 for Man U. He has five assist in ten games already. Messi is a team player and also competing with someone been used as striker. What does that tell you?.

May be he is their major set-piece taker. When it is like that, he gets lots of Assists.

But this is PSG with great scorer like Mbappe who can take a half chance, run 40 meter and convert it to a goal
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:59am On Feb 05, 2022
hensben:
Messi has 5 assist in 10 matches so far in league 1.

Ronaldo has 3 Assists playing in a stronger legaue and even with less efficient, less productive, less prolific team mates

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:56am On Feb 05, 2022
hensben:
If he goes to Cr7 team at his peak you think he will smell golden boot like he did with messi? Answer make I know whether you Dey truthful and not usual naija emotional blackmail.

Ronaldo is a better goal scorer and crucial match winner than Messi. Any great goal scorer can easily surpass Messi. Even at Barca, Messi usually lead the champions league scorer table at group stage, but when into knockout, he dissappears and Ronaldo keep pumping in goals like pure water against big teams.

So when it requires some individual scoring efforts, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Suarez, Mabappe can out shine Messi. But as a team goal, Messi will always get it. So it is possible for the above mentioned to outshine Messi, but not Ronaldo when played in same team.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:43am On Feb 05, 2022
Messi moved to another league from his comfort zone, and now he is exposed. His poor performance should not be used as an excuse as helping Neymar and Mbappe grow. He simply is unable to play better than them. When you cannot beat them, you join them.

Also, Cavani outshone our young guys last season. Why was Cavani not blamed for not helping them?

Who is poor is poor. Before Ronaldo, we saw inconsistency with these boys.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:35am On Feb 05, 2022
Benzema scored more goals (2015/2016) when he Ronaldo with Ronaldo. Now he is having more game time and I don't see how he is scoring more without Ronaldo

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:33am On Feb 05, 2022
OhBritannia:
You are not getting the whole picture.
It's not about how good they were, once they are in the same team with Ronaldo, they simply become a shadow of themselves and that motivation they had is no more there.

Cavani still make them shadow last season.

And if you are using Messi's poor performance in France as a justification for 'helping team mates', no no no. When Messi was always the main man at Barca.

Benzema highest league goals was when he played with Ronaldo Now he plays more matches with the departure of other forwards, but he is still unable to score higher than when he played with Ronaldo

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:27am On Feb 05, 2022
donstan18:
Bruno, Rashford, Greenwood and Martial were all good until Ronaldo.

Now they’ve lost two of them to the street.

Martial?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:26am On Feb 05, 2022
nitrogen:


Sack Tuchel and get Ole to manage your team! Stop disturbing us with your opata yarns.

Btw, Ronaldo messed up yesterday because of the penalty he missed. Other players missed way better chances. Blame all the attackers, not just Ronaldo. Also if it’s true that others have stopped shooting, how come they missed chances?

Rashford was shooting yesterday even when passing to Ronaldo was the better goal scoring option

Ogbeni, commot!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:25am On Feb 05, 2022
andrewbaba44:

Suarez stats at Barca was even better than his Liverpool own if you check

Remember suarez won the European golden boot ahead of cr7 and Messi then and we all know who contributed to make that possible

He went to Barca at his peak, and only once has he been able to surpass his Liverpool's final season goal's number.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:09am On Feb 05, 2022
OhBritannia:
Hahaha is this even a question?
Or you just want us to argue this morning?
How can you be asking me this question?
Do you not see the influence Messi had over Neymar, Suarez, bojan, tello, cuenca, fati, Couthino and many many more.
Abi you want me to continue?
Do you think Neymar and Suarez would have become who they are today if they had Ronaldo as their teammates years ago?
What happened to bale and benzema when Ronaldo was there in real Madrid and compare it to benzema of Now.
Even In Manchester united, what happened to Nani and the rest players?
Ronaldo took their shine.

Do you think vinicus junior in real Madrid will be who he is today if Ronaldo is still there?
Ronaldo's only job was to inspire the young stars in Manchester united to attain greatness and not contesting with them.

Nani had all the opportunity to go to places. Nani could not compete with Valencia. He shone whenever Valencia was injured, butbas soon as Val returns, he runs out of confidence. It was until SAF played him on the left or Val as a right back he became good again.

Suarez and Neymar were good before without Messi. Suarez performance at Liverpool took a suppression at Barca just so he must never outscore Messi

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:03am On Feb 05, 2022
It looks like goal poachers don't favour Manchester United. They take the shine from people's hardwork and ruin the team.

1. Van Nistelrooy (United had little success)

2. Van Persie (United won the league, although the team needed a little push after losing on goals difference the previous season). After 2012/2013, players like Rooney decided he too would be less mobile on the pitch. The handwork the individual players were used to was none existence and Rooney, Anderson accumulated fat.

3. Ronaldo (He was taking the shine and will still), but the strikers and wingers around him are demotivated. Their style if play being altered.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:52am On Feb 05, 2022
OhBritannia:
It's easier for Young stars to shine and become mega stars with Lionel Messi as their team mates than Ronaldo as their teammates.
Have you seen videos of Juventus teammate of Ronaldo having a serious verbal altercation with Ronaldo at their dressing room?
Telling Ronaldo to stop attacking them or saying they are playing rubbish each time games don't go their ways, he even said Ronaldo should be humble and do away with pride.
The rest Juventus teammates just kept quiet and watch them. It was like they have had enough of Ronaldo.
Wasn't it in the news at the start of the season that some young players are at loggerheads with Ronaldo in the Manchester united dressing room?
Ronaldo isn't a player that can help you grow, he is going to do everything to take your shine.
You see all the hard work of Ramos, di Maria, Kross and modrich, even Marcello wasn't even much appreciated in real Madrid, especially di Maria who will do all the work and Ronaldo will just tap in and pull off his clothes.
Even in Juventus, morata wasn't much appreciated even when he does all the dirty works often.

Bringing Ronaldo to a team like Manchester united is a wrong move, a team where the young kids need to shine.

A team player like Lionel Messi is better fit for Manchester united . Imagine Messi with all that passes and assists to Rashford and co.

I think this is just anti-Ronaldo's talk.

At one point in their peak of rivalry in Laliga, I saw Madrid and Barca performance while without Ronaldo or Messi due to injuries or suspension. Records show that Madrid suffered heavily without Ronaldo while Barca were almost as productive without Messi
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:47am On Feb 05, 2022
The first time I will comment on Ronaldo's argument. Although he had a bad day yesterday, in my opinion he is not the problem. We all know that he is not a good build up team member. Yesterday whenever the ball find him during build up, he spoilt the process. Most time he didn't have an idea of what to do.

Overall, no Man United young star, no one anywhere in the world currently can achieve 50% of what he has done. Ronaldo deserves to be spoken to with respect. What about matches he was not around and we still lost?

Yes, some young players might have been demotivated that the ovation they enjoyed last season and previously is taken away by Ronaldo as everyone is expected to play to his strength. They probably became more demotivated based on those stupid talk by some of his former teammates in Juventus.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:37am On Feb 05, 2022
Botfuss:
Bruno’s miss haunted my sleep. I still can’t believe it. Those players are just oloriburukus. Ronaldo should get tf out this season. He’s a cancer. Everything got worse since he came.

Ragnick too was so scared to sub Ronaldo.


Bruno's case happens often to players when their brain is telling them are offside.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:07am On Feb 05, 2022
hensben:
Messi respecting himself by giving the young players chance to shine while Ronaldo still Dey do strong head for Greenwood. Messi play is a collective one while Cr7 is individual based.

Yesterday's match looked like nemesis catching up with the team for ostracizing one of their own.

The players who were involved in it had a very bad day. Ronaldo, Rashford and Pogba. The ones who remain neutral son far and never quit following him had good games. Maguire and Bruno. Sometimes your colleague at work are your first family. Which family members so easily abandon one of their own when they have not heard his own part or wait for issues to be established.

If DDG kept, he would have been the one to cause an error leading to a goal in the 90+4 minute. Nemesis go con complete.

Make una no attack me o. Na joke I dey o. But some joke na message o grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:36pm On Feb 04, 2022
All the substituted in players came to do what?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:22pm On Feb 04, 2022
Many of their decisions are annoying. Why did McTominay cut back there?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:16pm On Feb 04, 2022
See shot of a professional footballer. From the edge of the box. Fred
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:14pm On Feb 04, 2022
ChristineC:
leave all these pointless cork measurement.
the club has moved on, the past is done.

It's your response that warranted the comparison. We were talking about this game against 7th placed team in the championship, and your wrote like we are measuring progress so far.

I don't know the last time we played a full strength team at this stage of FA cup. Yet fluidity was lacking. Chances we created were mostly from long balls, not neccesarily from great team work
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:59pm On Feb 04, 2022
ChristineC:
is this is a realistic expectation in two months?

How did Tuchel play? Even Ole played better from his first game in charge. But this is not the point. The point is the play is normal. We are not playing Arsenal.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:39pm On Feb 04, 2022
Ellexy:
Na ugly football we dey play so?

undecided undecided undecided

If Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool, City play this kind of football you will still call it beautiful?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:38pm On Feb 04, 2022
Gann:
what has been the problem with the football?

Is this how City and Liverpool play?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:36pm On Feb 04, 2022
Our forward players are selfish. Ronaldo and Rashford
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:35pm On Feb 04, 2022
If we called our performance in the first half and up to when we conceded a great one, it shows how much we have been awful.

We are only dominating play and keeping possession, even as we struggle at it.

What you will call beautiful football or great performance is our first game this season. Then some of our games last season. There was one against Chelsea when Pogba did a great job
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:29pm On Feb 04, 2022
Maguire is in this game.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:31pm On Feb 04, 2022
gameboy727:
We are actually playing beautiful footie even though it's just Middlesbrough

How is this a beautiful football ....?

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