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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:32pm On Feb 04, 2022
MRTA7:


My mistake. I only checked Rashford who is still not following him.

They can re-unfollow if advised by the club management, or their agents.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:36pm On Feb 04, 2022
They didn't just tell the news, they provided screenshots.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:33pm On Feb 04, 2022
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:48pm On Feb 04, 2022
Rashford, Lingard, Fred and Lindelof re-follow Greenwood.

-DailyMail
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:51am On Feb 03, 2022
CrystalTiger:
Next time Baba Elamps say e wn reserve him comment abeg, make una no too try to engage am abeg angry angry...

The level of "proud ignorance" though, smh undecided undecided

Instead of you to thank me for opening your eyes that abortion is a criminal offense in Nigeria so that you don't fall into it. grin

Laws are not made from discussion in the beer palour or from imagination. Laws are written. In modern world, some laws are controversial. In the US the laws promote same-sex marriage as good, but in Nigeria it is a criminal offense to engage in such. Kirikiri grin

In some countries, boyfriend and girlfriend can register as civil union to enjoy all benefits as married people. etec etc.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:42am On Feb 03, 2022
izzou:


You are quoting texts for Marital rape, and I'm asking you if she's married to Greenwood.

I ask again

Is she married to Greenwood?

In the comment you quoted, did you see Greenwood mentioned?

However in Europe, people have substituted the world 'couple' for 'marriage'. All these footballer like Pique, Ronaldo, Martial, with women and kids do you think they are married?. In situation of a court proceeding, the lawyers are going to argue they are couples. This is the modern world we live in where everything God has established is been substituted
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:41am On Feb 03, 2022
izzou:


Is she married to Greenwood?

Did the name Greenwood appear in the comment you quoted? wink

Someone brought the topic of spousal rape and we are thrashing it. In the UK, spousal rape is a crime since 2003. Another source stated 1991

But when a case is before the authority many things come into play. There might be clauses in law, precedence from recent judgments that the lawyer will argue with. Not all cases are the same and some things are mitigated by circumstances. Look below what people think in a UK survey.
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Understanding Consent In Marriage In The UK
Marital rape is a difficult concept to grasp for policymakers in the UK. It’s a slippery slope to define consent between people who are presumably in a consensual sexual relationship. The following are some alarming statistics surrounding Attitudes to Sexual Consent, according to a survey by YouGov:

- 33% of the respondents think that it’s not rape if a woman is forced into having sexual intercourse without any physical violence.
- Almost a third of men think consent is present if a woman was flirting on a date. The sex ensuing wouldn’t count as rape even if there was no explicit consent given.
- A third of men think that consent can’t be retracted during sex.
- 24% of the respondents think that long-term relationships don’t require consent for sex.
These statistics are alarming because they depict the mindset of a huge population of adults in the UK—who are part of the jury for rape cases—are unclear about what constitutes rape. These statistics show that the conceptual understanding of rape is flawed, which proves to be the biggest hurdle in the prosecution of rapists.

http://wembleysolicitors.com/blog/marital-rape-why-was-it-so-difficult-for-the-uk-to-criminal-is-a-sexual-assault-within-a-marriage/
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:48am On Feb 03, 2022
CrystalTiger:
Next time Baba Elamps say e wn reserve him comment abeg, make una no too try to engage am abeg angry angry...

The level of "proud ignorance" though, smh undecided undecided

Bring forward an intelligent argument to counter mine. Law is not based on beer palour discussion but what the law makers of a country sit down to deliberate, vote and pass. This is why the spousal rape law is not acceptable in some countries and even new to the world.

What if you are married and your spouse denied you sex for one year, whereas he/she is doing it outside? The law will not punish him/her for adultery but the law protects him/her to deny his/her partner as long as possible. I guess this kind of power is what some countries looked at and refused to pass it. In some religions, divorce is not allowed. You do so, you live in adultery with your new spouse till death.

I say again with emphasis, law on spousal rape is a new law in the world. For tens of centuries past, it never existed.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:47pm On Feb 02, 2022
TrebleChamp:
This assault happened last year or 2020, and she is just coming out with it. Omo am beginning to think Greenwood was being blackmailed to remain in the relationship cos of monetary gain, maybe he got fed up and decided to quit. But for her to be devastated the pictures and video got out, claiming her phone was hacked tells another story. Well me done activate sidon look mode for this matter, until the police finish their investigation.

And what could have provoked the assault?

Why did Greenwood threaten to kill? Did she threaten his career with blackmail?

After the report is out, I can know if I will blame Greenwood 100%.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:36pm On Feb 02, 2022
Ellexy:
This your logic no make sense at all, so because she sees a future with him, she should condone abuse that get one day end her life undecided

It doesn't matter the kind of future you're dreaming with someone, if there are red flags it's better to call its quit else you might not live to see the future. Why do you think many married folks call it quits and divorce? Or engagements gets called off?

Have you heard of provocation? I saw one video like that when a married woman was squeezing her husband's private parts because she discovered he was dating girls. The man was at her mercy, cos na death near so. When a woman feels she owns you alone, the home is peaceful. But when there is a doubt, some women will not react, some will walk away in peace, but here are some that will ruin it all before they end it. This is why I still want to hear the whole story first.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:29pm On Feb 02, 2022

Lastly, know that in Nigeria, abortion is a criminal offense with 14 years imprisonment. If you have sponsored one or your girlfriend has had one, go look at yourself in the mirror before you jungle justice people.

Meanwhile, just to point out that spousal rape is not criminalized in Nigeria and many countries of the world. There is nothing like rape of a spouse in Nigeria. Common sense and love guide that process. In the world, spousal rape is even a new thing. A new criminal offense. In the countries where it is criminalized, it is not treated on the same level as raping a random person. This is what I was talking about mitigation when the people involved are sexual partners.

May we be obedient citizens and pray that we don't fall into mistakes or framed by people with bad intentions towards us.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:16pm On Feb 02, 2022
eph12:

Murder suspect have been released on bail, is it rape suspect that can't be released on bail?

But Mendy was arrested and charged with offenses on 26 August and had been denied bail on three occasions since.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:13pm On Feb 02, 2022
timay1:


@Your last sentence, The police will find it hard to do that part.

Their only chance of doing so is from the audio clip, but it seems it wasn't much of use because they have released him without any charge yet. They probably must have listened to the whole clip, and it seems not adequate Enough for conviction. Because from that audio, it was 15 minutes long and only a snipet of 50 seconds was posted online by the lady.

The 14 minutes of the remaining clip probably changed the contest of the the whole incident, during which the recording was made

So there is even 14 minutes of the audio hidden. And you know, you can not win a woman in judging matter to people....
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:06pm On Feb 02, 2022
ChristoBam:
In another part you said, 'if they were married she'll give him free access', as per sex doll wey she be. .

My thinking is that the current issue is because she cannot see a future with him. She is hurt. If she saw a future with him or are married, she wouldn't have done those postings. She might not have even recorded him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:03pm On Feb 02, 2022
patrickmuf:
The message therein is that no man should stress over any woman when they're hundred and more out there of little or no stress...


This is encouraging promiscuity, if anyone does this, the court of social media judgment will still go after him. The holy ones among us will say that the person sees women as objects.

As of 2010, Ronaldo had dated over 30 known celebrities including Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian. But a woman still accused him of rape.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:52pm On Feb 02, 2022
afrodoc2:


Yeah that is one point i also raised earlier. The Glazers will not waste time in dumping him to avid social and financial backlash. The other thing is the dysfunction in the club would be worse if he gets to share the same dressing room with team mates that dumped him like a bad habit when the going was tough for him.

This is relevant only if he is not in jail however. The police most likely allowed bail without charging him cos the girl has refused to co-operate with them, which makes the job much harder for the cops. What they will be trying to do right now is gather enough evidence with which they can charge him WITHOUT the girl's help.

But the police questioned the girl before they arrested Greenwood. Why does it look like you are trying to create the impression that should Greenwood be acquitted, it would not be that he was innocent, but that the law was weak. Pictures and audio posted to the net alone do not make someone guilty. It still remains a one-sided account. What if also the girl had threatened him that should he walk away she would ruin his career. There are many what if ...what if ..and what if.

My thinking is that if it was a very serious rape case, Greenwood will not have been released even on bail. This is the mitigating factor I was talking about that people did not understand.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:45pm On Feb 02, 2022
ChristoBam:


In response to the sexual assault claim, in one part you replied,.'sebi this people are boyfriend and girlfriend'. In another part you said, 'if they were married she'll give him free access', as per sex doll wey she be.

You keep saying you're not justifying but keep bringing in these weird texts. Like this one that a man got away with spousal rape due to a loophole created by an archaic law. Or texts from a Bible passage.

Isn't it better you leave this conversation cuz you keep sending worrying posts.

The man did not get away. He was duly set free in accordance with the law of the state. The difference between me and you here is my deep analytical skills, which is how the law works .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:50pm On Feb 02, 2022
ChristoBam:

You were justifying spousal rape, victim blaming and all but they are acting like saints for tackling you for all the nonsense you were saying.

No one knows you offline. No one knows what you’ve done and what you can do. The perception of you based on your statements are terrible. That’s all there is to know.

Showing sympathy to the victim is not the same as blaming Greenwood. Investigations are on going.

1. I am not aware that any court finds one party guilty on the account of one party when both parties are alive.

2. Show me where I justified spousal rape. I was saying all cases are not same as there can be mitigating factors. Spousal rape which one state in the US first introduced in 1975, is not at same level with normal rape.
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Her husband raped her. The state said it wasn't a crime.

02 June 2021
In the summer of 2017, Jenny Teeson made a horrifying discovery.

Teeson, who had begun divorce proceedings from her husband of 12 years in Minnesota, was looking through files from their shared laptop when she discovered photos and videos of her husband raping her while she was unconscious. Teeson's husband had been drugging her with his prescription sleeping medication and then assaulting her — and she had no idea.

All of the sudden, things started to make sense. Teeson said she remembers waking up many times in the morning feeling lethargic and disoriented but had no idea why. She had even gone to the doctor to try to figure out what was wrong.

"When I found these videos, I was in utter shock, but then it all clicked. I now knew what had been happening and why I had been feeling so disoriented when I woke up. "

Teeson's now ex-husband was initially charged with a felony — third degree criminal sexual conduct — but the charges were dropped the same day. Due to a legal loophole in Minnesota's law at that time, raping your incapacitated spouse was not illegal if you were married or cohabitating at the time of the offense.


"If I wasn't his wife or cohabitating with him when he raped me, the felony charges would have stayed, but since I was … the state didn't consider my rapes illegal. A rapist is not always a violent stranger. It can happen to you right in your own bed," Teeson said.

Teeson's ex-husband was never prosecuted for the felony rape charge due to this loophole, but he was charged with two misdemeanors — criminal sexual conduct in the fifth degree, which was later dismissed, and interfering with with privacy in the home — for which he took a plea deal and served just 29 days in jail.

These legal loopholes surrounding marital rape are not uncommon. Many states have exceptions when it comes to spousal rape. Although marital rape is technically illegal in the United States, some states' archaic laws exclude situations where a spouse is unable to consent because they are incapacitated. Incredibly, even if their partner drugged them, it's not considered "forcible" and, therefore, is not a criminal offense.

Aequitas, a nonprofit organization fighting for justice in gender-based violence cases, reported in 2019 that 20 U.S. jurisdictions "have spousal exemptions for offenses that criminalize sexual conduct based on the victim's lack of capacity to consent to that conduct."

The legal system's continued denial of marital rape is rooted, in large part, in turn of the century marriage laws where women were viewed as their husband's property and the dangerous notion that a preexisting relationship meant irrevocable consent. While laws have changed in the past 50 years, marital rape is often still ignored. In fact, the legal definition of rape in the United States originally did not even include a spouse and was defined as nonconsensual sexual conduct with someone other than your spouse.

It wasn't until 1993 that rape laws were changed in all 50 states to include a spouse, overwhelmingly due to the ongoing efforts of women's rights groups, but loopholes and spousal exceptions — like what happened to Teeson — remain.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.healthywomen.org/amp/marital-rape-2653206715
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:43pm On Feb 02, 2022
GloryIsaac:


It’s best you quit the ‘argument’. Or you might implicate yourself in a bid to convince people you’ll probably never meet offline.

Most of the monikers replying you aren’t even frequent here in football talks. Those who are usually come here to ‘troll’.

Let the court handle the case and we accept the verdict. It is a pity that discipline has left the club. We hope others learn from this, and be logical in their dealings.

I understand what you mean but the law is quite different from jungle justice, public opinion, guilt on the account of one party.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:57am On Feb 02, 2022
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:20am On Feb 02, 2022
I have never beaten a woman. I don't sleep around. Some of the people who were arguing with me yesterday might have beaten women before or cause heart breaks, done abortion and cause injuries to girls. Now they act saints in the eyes of the public.

Hypocrites!

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:05am On Feb 02, 2022
OhBritannia:
Jeez!!! Mehnn!!
You think you can tell how people live because of happy social media pictures and videos?
You probably don't know what people passes through in reality.
Do you think people shows phycological trauma on social media?
Even most of our African mothers have to go through all these for years probably because of the society and because of the love of the children and sometimes the kids have no idea what is going on.
There is more to life than social media photos, the more you look, the less you see.

You also cannot judge how people truly live by sad social media posts

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:17am On Feb 02, 2022
OhBritannia:
With the pictures of injuries, you can actually tell this little girl has kept quiet for long, she has been trying to protect him for a very long time because she really loved him but then again, he kept doing it all over again and again because he thinks he is untouchable.
Actually i felt pity for the little girl, no girl or woman should go through what she has been through, people are not even concerned about the mental health of the girl.

How this constant ordeal has affected her, it's like when you kidnapped a girl and the kidnapper kept the girl in a lonely place and kept raping her over and over again for days, weeks and months. Even if the girl is rescued, she needs to be on suicide watch because she might actually take her life or the ordeal will affect her and the way she relates to people for the rest of her life.
Any human can tell this little girl has been through a lot at the hands of a good looking monster.
The case is case where people go to jail for the rest of their lives except the panel of judges just want to pity him but one thing is certain, mason will never play football for the rest of his life and i doubt if anyone will hire him as a job seeker.
The little kid is cancelled.

Kidnapped with all these enjoyment photos? And she is not a little girl to Greenwood. She is his senior.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:44am On Feb 02, 2022
hmmm, Beckham could have pressed for charges o, against sir Alex.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:36am On Feb 02, 2022
With the pictures of injuries you posted above, was it not enough for the parents to have ended the relationship?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:23am On Feb 02, 2022
Ellexy:
Lol, there were pictures, videos, audio tapes and you're asking of recurring news? Okay take this picture below for example, shebi all the marks and wounds were inflicted in one day ni?

I listen to only one audio only. When she said I don't want to have sex. I read here that the physical abuse was in October last year. I am kind of very busy. Today is my first off day in a long time. From tomorrow, you will hardly see me comment here too often.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:20am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

You are indirectly accepting that mason is guilty but his punishment should be flogging since she is his girlfriend


I gerrit

Did you imagine that I was supporting his action? I did not support what he did but in life we look broadly. Also, I am an apostle of forgiveness. If I had to punish or report to the police what people have done to me, I would have people in jail up till now. Everyone who knows me personally knows that I have forgiven the impossible things a human can forgive.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:10am On Feb 02, 2022
So he is going to get charged to court tomorrow or asked to temporarily returned home.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:09am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

What abt a guy that sniffs cocaine...is it anyone's business


I think you are right..since they have agreed to be in a relationship..it is very right for mason to beat a hell out of her.

And bang her even tru d anus.....it is an agreement remember..

You are very right my bro.


Na mistake.

Na to flog am





Sometimes, there are mitigating factors. Being in a relationship is one here that gives him a soft landing. If Greenwood raped a random girl, I would not be thinking may be there is something we don't know yet that might come ut from police investigation.

Anyway, I read now that questioning ends tomorrow. May be we will hear something tomorrow or next. I am glad that we can hear from the police soon so that all speculations can stop
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:05am On Feb 02, 2022
Ellexy:
Reoccurring, not a one-off incident, Habitual, Repetitive, Intermittent etc undecided

Can you post the news here of this reoccurring? May be there is something that I don't know
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:00am On Feb 02, 2022
Ellexy:
It's the way you're calling Sexual abuse[RAPE] and hardcore physical abuse happening repeatedly a mere relationship mistake shocked

Bro that's a crime that people spend the rest of their lives in jail for, it's nothing to be brushed aside.

Can you thrown more light on this 'repeatedly'
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:59am On Feb 02, 2022
Segedinho:

Imperfect world you say.

Robbery by a 20yr old should be considered as imperfect then if no causality is involved.

Raping must be coined as mistake since we live in an imperfect world.

And maybe we should just flog mason for abusing the girl.

Or probably draw his ears and say the next time u try this shit..u will do 50 frog jumps..

All because we live in an imperfect world.

I like ur philosophy

Apples and oranges. This matter between two people who live in the same house and have agreed from onset to sexual activities is not the same as one who goes to buy a gun, leaves his house to another, enters into someone's house and rob him.

There are mistakes that come with relationships, jobs, etc. Like some issues against medical doctors on the course of their jobs. Wrong diagnosis, wrong prescription, forgotten items on inside belly after surgery, accused of putting hand in the wrong place during examination.

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