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The funny thing is that even the real servants of Satan and the demons, those who are actually enjoying the little pleasures that Satan and their demons masters have to offer in this world, will not say the things that these guys are saying here. This is because they have knowledge of what is going on in this world. They know that good and evil, light and darkness exist. They know there are forces that are in control of the affairs of men. They are probably on their chosen path because of what Satan and the demons have offered them and the freedom to enjoy all kinds of depravities in this present life. They also know exactly what awaits them after their sojourn here. Almost all of them are even "carrying" religion on their heads out there and wouldn't dare do otherwise in order not to blow their cover. So, what do these ones know?

The real servants of Satan and the demons are always looking for higher powers - powers higher than those of their opponents and competitors - to enable them achieve their aims and visions and excel in business. So many of them have travelled the length and breadth of the earth in search of such powers. They know because they have seen things and will not be that ignorant to spew the trash that these ones are spewing here. They know and recognize the real servants of the Kingdom of the Light when they see them. They know real "fire"when they see it and will try to avoid it in order not to get burnt.

So, anyone who is saying the things - the silly things about the Creator and his Messiah - that these guys are saying here is probably doing so because:

1: This is a faceless forum. There is no way of ascertaining if they actually hold these views in real life.
2: Since here is a faceless forum, their mental state can't really be ascertained.
3: He/she is an agent of the forces of wickedness on a mission to mislead.
4: He/she is an agent of the forces of wickedness on mission to recruit.
5: He/she is still being "carried" by his/her father/mother who is fighting his/her spiritual battles.
6: He/she is a child of Jezebel the witch who is always trying to challenge the authority of Yahushua the Messiah, the Word of the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them.

The hilarious thing is that some of the guys who are saying these silly things about the Messiah and his Scriptures might even be or were altar boys, mass servants, choristers, etc, whose anuses and vaginas have been torn and are being torn by their spiritual papas. They are only giving vent to their anger, frustration and disappointment here. What a shame!

The scientists who have invented important things in this world didn't say such silly things and probably won't do so. Not that it will alter what is, anyway. So many of them were and are deep into one form of spirituality or the other and did or do so secretly.

Wetin these ones think sey dem sabi?

Do not lower your standard. Seek and pursue perfection.

sukkot:
this is not a competition calm down bro. Keep your ego in check. You religious people are highly unstable . If I am to engage in a discussion I would expect for the person to be receptive and open minded. You just come across like someone here on some ego trip . Calm down bro

You have effectively described yourself.

sukkot:
you are ignorant and proud at the sAme time. Weird combo lol

ọsọ! ọ gbaa ọsọ! Na run you run so?

sukkot:
brother you are too stupid to have this conversation with me if you fail to see the word ALLEGORY in the bible verses i gave you to read.

try reading the KJV and not altered versions

See frustration! Is this the method that you want to employ in order to run away? Between the two of us, who is exhibiting stupidity? Aren't you the one who is exhibiting utter stupidity by talking about the things you know nothing about?

Did I ever say that the word "allegory" was not mentioned in the Scriptures? Look at what you said:

sukkot:
read from Galatians 4 vs 22 to verse 26 where it tells you that the guy who is the foundation of the whole bible who everybody every nation comes from aka Abraham is an allegory story and that nothing in the bible is literal or real

From the passage you referred me to, where is it stated that:

1: The story of Abraham is allegorical?
2: Everything in the Scriptures - which you call Bible - is allegorical and not literal or real?

I read the passage and didn't see your assertions there. So clarify.

It is even written clearly in verse 22 that Abraham had two sons. How much stupidity can reside in just one person! Wow! The funny thing is that you are even saying these rubbish things boldly and full confidence and not willing to learn. Just wow!

Do you even know the meaning of "Sukkot"?

sukkot:
read from Galatians 4 vs 22 to verse 26 where it tells you that the guy who is the foundation of the whole bible who everybody every nation comes from aka Abraham is an allegory story and that nothing in the bible is literal or real

I have read it. Where did it say so?

Sonmvayina, it is now clear why you made such outrageous assertions. It is also clear why you have no answers to my questions.

Go and clear you confusion.

sonmvayina:
He was created by Rome...

The Messiah God promised the Jews is a normal man like you and me. He will be from the line of David through Solomon his son. He will have a father and mother. Genealogy is only transferred from father to son. He is coming to usher a new era . He is not coming to die for sins or change God's laws or set up a new convenant. God already gave a solution to the problem of sin. Confess and forsake , he would forgive...no human sacrifice was ever required or necessary. Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer. More over the Jews don't have gods mating with humans, it is a Roman/Greeks mythology...
All those stuff claim by Christian concerning jesus are irrelevant to the Jewish Messiah.

Jesus was created on the other of emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire...he has got nothing to do with the Jews...

A confused mind wants to preach to me? Inu Kwa!

Face your odinala and leave the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty alone.

sonmvayina:
I just got this from a Jewish Facebook post

Prophecies of the Last Moshiach.

The concept of Moshiach is taught in the Tanach, and clearly teaches all the following criteria must be fullfilled for any person to be seen as Moshiach.

1. Moschiach will reign as King of Israel and gather all Jews from exile back to Israel. Jews will flood to Israel. Duet 30:3, Isaiah 11:11~12, Jeremiah 30:3, 32: 37, Ezekial 11:17, 36:24.
....however Jesus was not King and Jews didn't flock to Israel.

2. The Holy Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt. Isaiah 2:2~3, 56:6~7, 60:7, 66:20, Ezekiel 37:26~27, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14: 20~21.
.....the Temple was still not yet rebuilt.

3. World wide peace and an end to all wars. Universal disarming of weapons. Micah 4:1~4, Hoseah 2:20, Isaiah 2:1~4, 60:18.
...obviously war exists still, and many wars are fought in the name of Jesus.

4. Moschiach reigns as King and all Jews will follow commandments of the Torah. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8~10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19~20, 36: 26~27
...all Jews are not embracing Torah and certainly not following the commandents.

5. Moschiach will rule Israel and the whole world will put down all other religions and the world will reconize and serve the One true Lord of Israel. Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9~16, Isaiah 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalms 86:9, Zephaniah 3:9
...obviously this hasn't happened.

6. Moshiach must be from the Tribe of Judah and a direct descendant of King David and King Solomon.
Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12~14,
1 Chronicles 22:9~10, Numbers 1:1~18.
...Genealogy is only passed from father to son in Tanach. The Christian Bible says he didn't have a father from the Tribe of Judah

7, Ezekiel 46:1-4, the true Moshiach to come will offer HaShem burnt sacrifices of six lambs on the Sabbath and new moons in the 3Rd temple.. where does that leave your jesus?

8 HaShem does not accept human sacrifices!! It is an abomination to him... Deuteronomy 12:30-31

9. The Last Moshiach will re-establish Sacrifices to Hashem!
Ezekial 45:22וְעָשָׂ֤ה הַנָּשִׂיא֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא בַּעֲד֕וֹ וּבְעַ֖ד כָּל־עַ֣ם הָאָ֑רֶץ פַּ֖ר חַטָּֽאת׃
On that day, the prince shall provide a bull of sin offering on behalf of himself and of the entire population;"
Ezekial 45:23וְשִׁבְעַ֨ת יְמֵֽי־הֶחָ֜ג יַעֲשֶׂ֧ה עוֹלָ֣ה לַֽיהוָ֗ה שִׁבְעַ֣ת פָּ֠רִים וְשִׁבְעַ֨ת אֵילִ֤ים תְּמִימִם֙ לַיּ֔וֹם שִׁבְעַ֖ת הַיָּמִ֑ים וְחַטָּ֕את שְׂעִ֥יר עִזִּ֖ים לַיּֽוֹם׃
and during the seven days of the festival, he shall provide daily—for seven days—seven bulls and seven rams, without blemish, for a burnt offering to the LORD, and one goat daily for a sin offering.

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This dude doesn't read my posts. No wonder!

Sonmvayina, you reason like a child and talk like both a child and a woman. Are you a baby? Even a child of 2 years has a better reasoning faculty than you, sonmvayina. Why do you always resort to tantrums?

sonmvayina:
You no get one single sense.....
1. There is light and darkness

And there is good and evil..
All God's property. He created everything. ...
But he placed both in front of us and asked us to choose...
He also gave us wisdom to know what is good and what is evil and to discern the grey areas....
It was God who planted the tree of good and evil... remember.

I am not adding anything to what I have said already. Your confusion is not my fault.

sonmvayina:
2. They do...the Igbos have a proper name for the creator. If you don't want to accept it. It's your choice.. you are just too funny. How can Gods name be the same in all languages? I don't want to believe you are a dummy. The Babylonian called him Marduk, the Egyptian called him Ra, the Indian call him Brahma, the Bini's call him Osanobua, the Yorubas call him Eledumare....different names of the creator in different cultures and languages...

Your confusion is not my fault, sonmvayina. There is no reasoning with anyone who thinks that everything worshipped on earth is God Almighty - the Creator. Even when the attributes and requirements have explicitly made the differentiation. Wow!

Sonmvayina, you are in a confused world of your own. You need to stop commenting on my threads till you have cleared your confusion. I have said it umpteen times. If not, you will confuse yourself the more.

sonmvayina:
3. God is not a man or human being. The only way to communicate with God is through an oracle. And it is only spiritually minded people that can interpret the oracle....and most times it is usually through parables.....the "word of God always comes out from the mouth of men"..the body of instruction is how we should relate with ourselves and with nature and why some actions are good and some not good...and detrimental to the over all benefit of the whole. That was why he recommended death for some sins..

Chai! No wonder! Your confusion is even worse than I thought and it is so glaring for all to see. Sonmvayina, stop embarrassing yourself, biko. Leave the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty alone and focus on your odinala/omenala. Whatever or whoever it is you worship and the God of the Scriptures - Torah, the Prophets, the New Covenant, etc, are not the same. You must choose one.

sonmvayina:
4. There is only one God and power. That's why it is called a UNIverse. It is just the name that is different. ..what you think are gods are actually laws and principles within God like Amadioha, which is Sango in Yoruba and Thor in Norse mythology...they represent the personification of lightening and thunder and not a god..there is only one creator of all...read Isaiah 45:1-25. If you visit a good dibia, he would still tell you same thing..The only power they have is the one God gabe to them and it must be used within the boundaries set by God..

Go and clear your confusion first before you start talking about the Creator and his Scriptures.

sonmvayina:
5. I am talking about the creator of heaven and earth, if it is him you are talking about them it is the same...but I am sure you don't even know what God is...

Are you a baby? Ta ta! Chai!

If you really want to know the God of the Torah, the Prophets, the New Covenant, etc, I suggest you clear you mind of all the things you call knowledge that are clogging it and start afresh. You neither know the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob nor worship him.

Or stick to your omenala and leave the Scriptures alone.

sonmvayina:
6. There is only one being that Answers the name God in the universe..
It is impossible for a stone to answer when a human being is called. No other God is showing up....He is Omni present. He fills the heaven and the earth..

7. I have always said that....you just don't follow..

There are so many beings that claim to be the Almighty and which people are worshipping. Haven't I made this clear already?

Sonmvayina, you are only fit to sit at my feet, listen and learn whenever I am going about my Father's business and not come out to argue with me. But first, you must accept that you have lost your way and are willing and ready to get rid of your confusion. There is no other way.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

sukkot:
the bible

Which part? I need quotations.

You see, there is nothing I asked you that didn't relate to Moses and his activities. You now feigning ignorance is really repugnant.

sonmvayina:
Who is a Messiah
And

How does jesus qualify ?

Let's start from there..

We are not going down this part. We will stick to what you started as stated in that post of yours.

You even quoted Freddie M.

Sonmvayina, what percentage of the landmass of the world is currently inhabited by humans?

In that boasting of yours, did you call Yahushua the Messiah a fictitious character?

sonmvayina:
Do you understand all that I have said ?

Don't dodge. Respond to what I said.

sonmvayina:
1. Both light and darkness are creation of the creator...light is for us to work and earn our living while darkness is for sleep and rest, (and sex, most of us was conceived at night) so we need both. They are not opposing forces, they are complimentary. We need both to survive.

Light represents the day and darkness is the night. YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven, made them all.

However, in terms of the deeds and affairs of mankind, light and darkness denote different things. While light denotes good, righteousness and other praiseworthy and virtuous human behavior; darkness denotes evil, unrighteousness, wickedness and filthy human behavior. Light and darkness, when used in this way, are not equal and opposite. Light is always better, greater and powerful than darkness. YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven admonished his children to embrace light - do righteous deeds and desist from darkness - avoid evil deeds.

Must I spoon-feed you, sonmvayina?

sonmvayina:
2. Light represent day time where we have time and light (sun) to carry on our business. There are animals and people who work or are active at night.....it does not mean it is evil or bad..

I have taken care of that as in above.

sonmvayina:
3. I doubt....but I will listen to the context you are driving at..

I won't spoon-feed you here, sonmvayina. Show us that you actually know what you are saying.

sonmvayina:
4. CHUKWU is one. And CHUKWU is not a man or human being. So the concept of word does not apply. .CHUKWU is the Igbo name for the creator, just as Hashem is the Hebrew name for the creator. Remember God confuse the language of man in genesis . You can't expect the name of the creator to be the same in all languages. Same creator different nomenclature. YHVH is an abbreviation of YAW HEH VEH HEH..which has to do with the power of the creator...not a proper name.

"Chukwu" is a title and not a name. Hashem is not a name. It is used when they don't want to call the Father by his name - YHVH. Actually, the name of the Creator can be the same in all languages. Why not? Title can change but not name. I don't think our people, the Igbo, have any proper name for the Creator.

Let us say, hypothetically, of course, that the "Chukwu" our ancestors referred to is the Creator, YHVH Almighty, didn't he give a body of instructions? Doesn't this body of instructions constitute his Word?

It is YHVH - Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh. And it is his proper name. His name shows who he is - his attributes and all. Just as his Word tells who he is and his requirements and differentiates him from all other beings that claim to be god.

sonmvayina:
5. God gave humanity his divine laws. The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. The Igbos passed it down orally from father to son, son to grand son....etc. it is collectively referred to as omenani/odinani some enlightened Igbos are already trying to put it down on paper for easy teaching.

You see, sonmvayina, the Name and the Word of YHVH Almighty explicitly show who he is - his attributes, requirements and such and unequivocally differentiate him from any usurper or impostor. If your odinani/omenani are not in line with the requirements and attributes of YHVH Almighty, as explicitly and ambiguously portrayed in his Scriptures, then, we are not talking about the same God.

You see, different beings might come up and claim to be the God or the same with the God that the Scriptures clearly talk about, but they are exposed when one delves into requirements and attributes. There is no hiding place in that.

sonmvayina:
6. God created both the heavens and the earth and everything in between... including the seas...

YHVH Almighty created the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them. Why did it take you that long to state?

sukkot:
you quoted many stories I am not familiar with. Bibilical stories. It’s a million stories in the bible and I have not read them all.

Where did you get the story of Moses from?

sonmvayina:
What did you ask? Please Enumerate them...

Let me educate you..

You have your own eyes and mind, read for yourself.

In your boasting, did you refer to Yahushua the Messiah as a fictitious character? Even if you, why bother exasperating yourself on a fictitious character?

sonmvayina:
Children..kneel to great elders..we do so in my village and the yorubas do it too...


I guess you are learning....any other question.

Ask them politely I will answer them..

But desist from insult, I don't think you can even lace my shoes in real life...


I will let it pass for now..

A butterfly thinks itself a bird. Don't be too fast to arrogate to yourself what you don't possess. When you said "we kneel to greet our elders", you never mentioned kids. Besides, we are talking about your odinani/omenani in Alaigbo, of course. Where did Yoruba factor into it? Is odinani/omenani a Yoruba word? Besides, do Yoruba males kneel to greet their elders? So, in your village both male and female children kneel down to greet your elders?

Learning what? Chai!

Eeeem, "lace your shoe" in terms of what, sonmvayina? Money, wisdom, supernatural gift of YHVH Almighty or what, sonmvayina? Be specific?

Stating the obvious is not insult, sonmvayina? Besides, it was you who started it.

sukkot:
you quoted many stories I am not familiar with. Bibilical stories. It’s a million stories in the bible and I have not read them all.

Yet you concluded that everything in the Scriptures is allegorical.

The stories are in the same place with the one about Moses that you allegorized.

sonmvayina:
So what has natural disasters got to do with jesus..

Natural disasters are inevitable,...your only chance of survival is to get out of its way..

So how does tsunami affecting the Japanese got to do with a fictional character?...

I don't get it..

Chai! Chatting with you, sonmvayina, really lowers someone's reasoning.

sonmvayina:
Yes I did...

What about it?

Chai.

sukkot:
well in that case you need to refresh me with all the stories you mentioned

You are just being evasive. If you weren't, you would have gone through your own thread for them.

sonmvayina:
1. Both light and darkness are creation of the creator...light is for us to work and earn our living while darkness is for sleep and rest, (and sex, most of us was conceived at night) so we need both. They are not opposing forces, they are complimentary. We need both to survive.

2. Light represent day time where we have time and light (sun) to carry on our business. There are animals and people who work or are active at night.....it does not mean it is evil or bad..

3. I doubt....but I will listen to the context you are driving at..

4. CHUKWU is one. And CHUKWU is not a man or human being. So the concept of word does not apply. .CHUKWU is the Igbo name for the creator, just as Hashem is the Hebrew name for the creator. Remember God confuse the language of man in genesis . You can't expect the name of the creator to be the same in all languages. Same creator different nomenclature. YHVH is an abbreviation of YAW HEH VEH HEH..which has to do with the power of the creator...not a proper name.

5. God gave humanity his divine laws. The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. The Igbos passed it down orally from father to son, son to grand son....etc. it is collectively referred to as omenani/odinani some enlightened Igbos are already trying to put it down on paper for easy teaching.

6. God created both the heavens and the earth and everything in between... including the seas...

This guy is confused.

Sonmvayina, in which part do males kneel down to greet their elders?

sonmvayina:
God is the totality of the conciouseness of the universe...he is not a man or human being..

There is no devil anywhere....Satan just means adversary, whose only job is to test man. We can either choose to fall or not. End of the day it is up to us....there is no rival anywhere that is fighting God...

But you just denied the existence of the devil?

sonmvayina:
What has natural disasters got to do with jesus coming in the sky?

Your ignorance is epic..

Stop being dodgy, sonmvayina. Answer the questions. I asked you some questions there. When will you answer them? It is been two years, sonmvayina.

sonmvayina:
What did I miss? Just went through..


Which stage of awakening are you now?

He continues to be evasive. I don't think you read what I posted. Did you see your very own assertions at beginning of the thread?

sonmvayina:
It is mankind choices that can be judged as good or evil
Light or darkness..

Which ever way it is God who created both.

He has placed both in front of us...

Our choices determine if we are righteous or not...it is not our beliefs..

God is one... Deuteronomy 6:4
That is what I mean by indivisible
Not 3 in one or 5 in one...

Omenani/odinani means laws and culture of the land..like "thou shall not murder

Thou shall not have sexual with another man's wife or close relative.

Honour / Respect for elders...(we knell to great our parents in the morning)

Worship of one indivisible creator of the universe which we call CHUKWU ...and recognition of the "alusi" or how the bible puts it "the sons of God".....
Resting from work on a certain day..for my town it is "Eke"....we have the 4 day cycle Eke, Nkwo, olie and Afor......

Etc..

Which one has the Creator admonished mankind to follow, light or darkness?

What does light represent in the Scriptures, righteousness or evil/wickedness?

Aren't beliefs part of choices?

YHVH is one. Is the Word of YHVH Almighty part of YHVH Almighty or not?

How is the emboldened part of your odinani/omenani equally the Torah?

Did you ignore what I asked you about the seas?

sukkot:
i am not trying to sell any views or narratives or crusade for converts, this is nairaland where anybody can just drop whats on their mind lol

I know you understood what I meant by "sell".

People are free to "just drop whats on their mind" on nairaland, for sure. But when they involve the Scriptures, they should expect complete scrutiny.

Ken4Christ:
This is the goal of every genuine child of God. But what happens when you fall into errors? Will God condemn you? Certainly not. He will still forgive you if you repent of it. And what I am saying is scriptural.

The problem you have is a myopic concept of sin. You only see sin as physical indulgence in acts like fornication, lying, adultery etc. Do you know there other forms of sin outside this that can make you miss heaven.

Let me list a few of them for you below;

1. When you habitually abstain from church services. Do you know the Bible calls it sin - Hebrews 10:25-26.

2. When you don't preach to lost souls.

3. When you deny your brother help when it's within your power to help.

4. When you look at a woman to lust in your heart.

5. When you cheat God in your tithes and offering.

6. When you are not productive in the house of God.

8. When you refuse to forgive your brother who hurt you.

9. When you cause division in church.

I could go on and on.

Do you preach to lost souls every day? If the answer is no, then you are committing sin.

How many people in need to you give support to? If you turn blind eyes to the poor, you have sinned.

Even Apostle Paul who wrote half of the New Testament never said its impossible to sin. Rather he said he had to put his body under subjection so he will not be disqualified.

Ken, I didn't write the post that you just responded to because I wanted to argue with you. Nope! I made that clear earlier. You can go and teach your sin-encouragement elsewhere. I am sure many of those spoken about here (2 Timothy 4:3) are eager to hear and accept your teaching. We the saints, servants, followers and messengers of Yahushua the Messiah will continue to seek, pursue and live sin-free lives.

I won't respond to you again on this thread. You can continue your wailing and lamenting.

sukkot:
bro am i getting paid for all these questions here ? like wtf ? too many questions . i would answer the first 4 though

1 the red sea is the people of edom aka who we call the white man today
2 egypt represents BONDAGE but yes it is also a physical place
3 yes there were different tribes and cultures
4 sojourn of israelites in egypt means the ascended beings of that era descended into spiritual bondage and fell from the position of power and are now in bondage

as for questions 5 to 9 its been a while i read the bible and i dont remember those stories very well

You know what Physics says? "Action are reaction are equal and opposite"

Your views brought about those questions. You can't sell your views and narratives without covering all the grounds that border on them.

You should have tackled the A to E questions. You and I know why you refused to do so.

I am not really against your multidimensional whatever thingy that you are espousing here. By mentioning the Scriptures and trying to make them say things contrary to what they actually say, you were literally asking for scrutiny.

Sonmvayina, here, again, is the thread.

You made some bold assertions on which this thread is "premised". Why did you dodge the questions? Didn't you even see your very own assertions at the beginning of this thread?

The thread even has your very own name.

sonmvayina:
Which thread?

I try to keep up...

Please draw my attention to it...it might be an over sight..

This one.
https://www.nairaland.com/6216882/sonmvayina-not-speak-arrogantly-foolishly#114679629

sonmvayina:
I believe in one indivisible, omnipotent almighty God the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it. I also believe in his divine laws and principles as contained in our odinani/omenani.....which the Hebrews call the Torah. Ours was passed orally from father to son to grandson....

I believe God created both light and darkness and he is the lord of both..how else will he be almighty?....

Are you ok now?

What do you mean by "indivisible"?
Mention some of those your odinani/omenani.

I can you didn't mention the seas, only heaven and earth. Why?

Of course, YHVH Almighty created both darkness and light. However, we all know what the Scriptures mean when they mention light and darkness within the contexts of the deeds of mankind. Didn't you know this?