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advocatejare:You realized this is verse relating to war? The dude was talking about Muslims that leave or that want to leave Islam. How does this relate?. How about this Bible verse?. This Bible verse does not relate to war but whoever leaves the religion must be killed The first and most important commandment was that they must not worship any god other than the Lord. Whoever violated this commandment should be killed and Exodus 22:20 reads "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed." Look at the screenshot, that's exactly what Christians did to this igbo guy for converting to Islam. You all pretend like you didn't see it when it gone viral since last week. Media was quite. If he was Muslim that converted to Christianity there would have been so much media noise all over places. Watch for yourself. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1307114992989679&id=100010735713607
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advocatejare:guy, get off this thread.. Go and open separate thread of you want to. |
falopey:this is VANGUARD report. So why is what you quoted not propaganda?. You posted propaganda news. |
And? Don't derail this thread, please. advocatejare: |
falopey:why are you quoting verse revealed during war?. Do you have sense?
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AbdulSleeky:oh sorry... There must be mix up. I was thinking about the guy we already talked about before. I don't know anything about Bala's case. Case close |
AbdulSleeky:you brought up Bala's story up here and this was not about him. And you are not the one to tell me when he was or when he was not atheist before he committed the alleged crime. I have to read court transcripts. Besides I am not interested in Bala. So I don't know why you keep bringing him up. I am 100% sure you don't care about him. Your intention and motives is to ridicule the law. That's all. You would not yourself violate the law but you instigate people to do so for your selfish reason and start screaming "persecution". |
AbdulSleeky:I think you are jumping from one issue to another all the time. It seems it is clear to you that Sharia law is legal but then you switched to "Sharia Law does not apply to nonmuslims in Nigeria". I have no details on Bala case. My understanding is he was a Muslim that become atheist. I don't know when he committed his crime whether before or after he became atheist. Anything else you said is irrelevant. Sharia law is legal and recognized by federal govt of Nigeria. If you have issues with this please go to the North and challenge it not on nairaland. You understand? |
Mikehot:well, I want to believe you genuinely posted this. The topic is actually about Muslims and there is nothing imposed on anyone. We are simply saying it is not appropriate in Islam. If you are not a Muslim then it doesn't apply to you. You can do as you wish. That's your prerogative How would you be phucking 70 virgins in paradise if not by threes0mewhen you were born did you come with clothes on?. No. Everyone saw your unclothedness because you were coming from a different realm where clothing was not required. When you return to God you are returning to similar realm where clothing is not required and where no one has time to see another's unclothedness as everyone will be dealing with his or her own survival. Now can you give us evidence of "70 virgins" in paradise?. Because you guys throw this phrase up and down as if you have certainly. |
AbdulSleeky:Bala or no Bala, Shari'a Law was created by state. Shari'a Law runs parallel along customary law. Both are still operated by state. Therefore, Shari'a Law is state law. Whether you understand what I just said or not that's your problem. Let me also clarify your other misconception. Shari'a Law a k a Penal Code preceded Kano State. Sharia Penal Code was always in place in Northern part of Nigeria since 1960 but it was redundant. Sharia Penal Code was created in Kano in 1960 but Kano state was created in 1967. So Shari'a is legal. Refer to the attachment below. Sharia was not enforced until 1999. They probably wouldn't have implemented Sharia in 1999 if christians did not make effort to christianized Nigeria between 1990 and 2000. So it was Christians that pushed the North to pass Sharia Law to impede Christianity up North. If Sharia Law is illegal, why did federal govt of Nigeria recognize it?. No law can run in Nigeria without approval of federal govt. Matter of fact, Sharia Law preceded current federal constitution. 2. Secondly why did the state judge not find him guilty if he actually broke state law? Do you see how silly you are?He was tried under Sharia Penal Code runs by state. Sharia/Customary laws are state laws. 4. You were never against the illegal detention. You never addressed the matter until forced. You support the arrest and you were defending the detention by pointing out someone who was detained for 6 months in the usa.both of them violated the law of their respective countries. One was federal crime. The later was state crime.
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Newman20:very true and not only rccg. Cele too. Some Nigerians if not many, live in western world like in Nigeria. I am not saying to forgo Nigerian or African cultures. I meant mentality is very ridiculous and causes them great setback. They do not want to leave their comfort zone and they live on welfare. I met a woman on the street of nyc suburb. She sensed I'm Nigerian from afar. By the time she got close to me she knelt down begging for money. She wore cele gown, no shoes. Very dirty from head to toe. And they still constitute the same nuisances as they do in Nigeria. After I returned home to my uncle he said he knows her and that's how she goes around begging for money from people. |
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Superpower:what's the heck is wrong with you Nigerians for God's sake?. What type of thinking faculties you guys have?. How exactly do you people pass simple tests?. I tried ooo. My point was very clear. I have no time for linguistic analysis. |
AbdulSleeky:I may have mistaken Bala for someone else. My understanding is a guy was arrested for blasphemy in Kano and not Bala. Of course I heard about bala's case few years ago but I don't know details. Whatever it is, I was referring a guy arrested for blasphemy in Kano. It is state law. If you don't like the law or not comfortable with it, then don't violate the law..I don't know what's contained in the law about who can be or can not be prosecuted under the law. My point is obey the law. Law is law. We have argued this before. In western some countries they have similar laws, the most famous is Holocaust law. Holocaust law is euphemism of saying blasphemy law. They are very much aware of the consequences of saying blasphemy law. So they use Holocaust law which means it is taboo to deny Holocaust because Holocaust is sacred to them. There are 7 european countries and israel that have Holocaust legislation. Why don't you have problems with this?. Why are you being hypocritical?. At least I know France and Germany have this Holocaust law. USA indirectly endorsed it but they shy away from openly supporting the Holocaust law because it is not in tandem with USA constitution. So Kano state have blasphemy law. If you violate the law don't start screaming "persecution". No one persecutes you but you violate the law. Very simply. What I am against is illegally detaining people or indefinite detention. It is not for you to condemn Kano blasphemy law. If you have problem with the law, simply challenge the law in court not nairaland. This is not persecution of atheism. Stop bigotry and think rationally. Talking about USA, UK etc that you cited, you obviously are very naive. People get in trouble and get arrested for running their mouths for unprotected speeches. You think freedom is free?. Naa, bruv. |
AbdulSleeky:keep repeating yourself live clock. Law is law. He violated the law and he was arrested. Period. If them born you well, go and deny Holocaust and you will see your butt jailed. Please, the Nigerian immigrant in question is a criminal. It is a criminal offense in any country to overstay Visa. The nigerian in question was tried before being deported.why didn't you complete the story?. The same way this one violated immigration law is the same way Bala violated blasphemy law. Every region has their own set of rules and must be obeyed and respected. Why are you twisting his story?. Yes he was tried and was given 6 months or less behind bars and released by order of judge. He was then rearrested and detained out of court order for no reason for 1 and half years. I guess it is easy for you to talk trash because you are not in his shoes. His detainment was illegal and unconstitutional. Didn't you listen to him?. Now compare this to an atheist who broke no laws but was arrested and not even given a trial. Nobody could even visit the atheist. No family or friends knew where he was.which atheist?. what happened to Bala wouldnt have happened in the south.we can argue forever and we aren't gonna agree with one another. They said the guy violated blasphemy law and he was arrested. There is no issue with this at all. Law is law. But what I am against is detainment without charges. And I said this is very common and I cited examples from western world that illegally detaining people is very common in other parts of the world, not only Nigeria. That's my point of argument. I posted a link showing obama signed into law indefinite detention and I provided a name as example but you still arguing blindly. I repeat, indefinite detention is very common in many countries. Just pray you don't become victim. They will lock you up and throw away the key. So it is unfair to detain the guy in Kano without trial or charges. This is my point of argument. If they have noting against him they need to let him go. Stop acting as if illegal detention is only practiced in Nigeria. |
Alhajiemeritus:these set of people will have to answer to Allah. They are twisting Ayat of Allah to justify their evil act. Disgusting people. |
Agbegbaorogboye:oh no. I actually decided to not type names for personal reason. I wanted to allow you to do your own research. I'm not gonna say anything about this. I am a living witness. But to start your research, that's why I gave you the name of the investigative journalist. I used to talk to him a decade ago. It is clear to me that so many Nigerians are naive. You think western world is heaven where no mistakes in their legal process is made?. I will allow you to do your independent research instead of me giving you the info. Note that it is not only Muslims but many nonmuslims as well. When you finally get to do your research on your own, whether or takes your 10 years or 10 days, make sure you return here to give testimonies. You guys believe in mainstream media so much. You think mainstream media would expose govt all the time?. Go behind closed doors and you see so many dirty politics. I have posted a video of Nigeria Christian that was locked up in USA for a year and half without trial after serving 6 months for crime he committed (overstayed visa). You guys have lots to learn and I won't allow you to learn it from me. Go out and learn. Internet is there for a reason. Use it. Even if you don't believe me when I said there are people locked up for years without trial, the video you watched you should give you a clue already. You heard what Trevor Aaronson said, isn't?. If that's not enough for you please go and read his book titled (attachment). You will read all types of dirty things you never heard of. And check Mother Jones and ACLU You guys have zero idea what's going on. Anyways let me just drop name of only ones case of a teenager arrested, detained and tortured without charges. His name is Gulet Mohamed,. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law
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Alhajiemeritus:Walaikum Salam. I believe it is NOT allowed even if they all consent because we have ahadith narrations to this effect. Threesomes appears to be modern practice and I believe islam frowns at threasomes for the purpose of modesty. It was narrated from 'Abdur-Rahman bin Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri from his father that: The Messenger of Allah said: "No woman should look at the unclothedness of another woman, and no man should look at the unclothedness of another man."(Ibn Majah) “A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman,......... (Sunan Abu Dawud) "The Messenger of Allah used to divide his time equally among his wives, then he would say 'O Allah, this is what I am doing with regard to that which is within my control, so do not hold me accountable for that which is under Your control and is beyond my control.'"(Ibn Majah,Sahih) Prophet Muhammad kept his wives in a separate houses visiting them on an alternate basis this also shows that group sex is not allowed in Islam. Modesty is a distinctive part in our religion. It was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Every religion has its distinct characteristic, and the distinct characteristic of Islam is modesty.’”(Ibn Majah) Hope this helps |
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Agbegbaorogboye:check out investigative journalist, Trevor Aaronson. He got details for you. https://www.ted.com/talks/trevor_aaronson_how_this_fbi_strategy_is_actually_creating_us_based_terrorists/footnotes?referrer=playlist-insights_on_terrorism |
zoer:okay, when I'm chanced I will. But a Muslim brother did provide some information to there. I will add mine as well.....In Sha Allah |
Superpower:you guys think only in Nigeria they arrest and detain indefinitely?. This goes to show you are all ignorant. Help yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OojuwUEDuI |
falopey:why are you twisting again?. You said "muhammad CLEARLY wrote in the QUR'AN. Now you are saying "one of your "Islamic sources". Aren't you a liar now?. Qur'an is the only undiluted REVEALED BOOK. Any other books you know of are quoted and written by people. This is what Qur'an says about freedom of religion. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." Qur'an (2:256) It is not wise to engage you because you obviously don't know what you are doing.
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falopey: falopey:You seen your life?. There is no excuse for ignorance. What you quoted and Qur'an, how do they relate?. Next time, pause before falling for cheap propaganda and use your brain before you post. |
AbdulSleeky:you didn't address my post. Read again |
falopey:what I hate is you speak without evidence. It would be nice if you can provide evidence from Qur'an for this allegation you made up. Please quote Qur'an verse where is says to kill whoever leaves Islam Thank you |
falopey:okay... You appeared to be derailing yourself. You are talking about Muslims in Muslim country and now you turned to attacking prophet of Islam because you can not speak without attacking prophet. I guess you will be ignored now. You guys are the reason for unstable society. Have a nice day |
falopey:"afraid of being persecuted" by who?. In Yoruba culture it is taboo to deny God. The same way many hide their atheism in Yorubaland is the same way some people hide theirs in Muslim country. So what's the big deal in that unless you have special interest?. |
It is not new for govt to lock up people unconstitutionally. This is not restricted to Nigeria only. It applies to western world too. So what the problem?. I don't believe in locking up someone indefinitely without charge regardless of his crime. But it is govt practices around the world to lock up people for years without formal charge. But for Nigerians to start screaming "international human rights and international community" should involved is absurd. They do the same in their own countries. Let the so called international community resolves issues in their own countries first before poke-nosing others. Ask me for proofs and I will bring just 10 cases of Muslims locked up for years and decades without formal charges against them in western countries. How about Gitmo?. There are Muslims locked up there without charge but you bigots turned blind eye. Is that constitutional?. If Bala did nothing or if govt has no case against him they need to let him go. Simple. How about ikoyi prison?. Do you guys have idea what's going on there?. There are people in there already discharged legally but they are still held in prison because no one would come to bail them (egunje). But you guys focus on anything Islamic to make cheap point. Please go to ikoyi prison and you will see lots of innocent Muslims and nonmuslims there for years but they are already relieved of the charges brought against them but they are still not released. You all need to get a life and stop instigating hatred against religion. |
AbdulSleeky:what's my business with his case?. It is not new for govt to lock up people unconstitutionally. This is not restricted to Nigeria only. I believe you live in UK. They do it there too. So what the problem?. I don't believe in locking up someone indefinitely without charge regardless of his crime. But it is govt practices around the world to lock up people for years without formal charge. But for Nigerians to start screaming "international human rights and international community" should involved is absurd. They do the same in their own countries. Let the so called international community resolves issues in their own countries first before poke-nosing others. Ask me for proofs and I will bring just 10 cases of Muslims locked up for years and decades without formal charges against them in western countries. How about Gitmo?. There are Muslims locked up there without charge but you bigots turned blind eye. Is that constitutional?. If Bala did nothing or if govt has no case against him they need to let him go. Simple. How about ikoyi prison?. Do you guys have idea what's going on there?. There are people in there already discharged legally but they are still held in prison because no one would come to bail them (egunje). But you guys focus on anything Islamic to make cheap point. Please go to ikoyi prison and you will see lots of innocent Muslims asked nonmuslims there for years but they are already relieved of the charges brought against them but they are still not released. You all need to get a life and stop instigating hatred against religion. |
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