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advocatejare:
In short, Muhammad never celebrated his birthday but you guys copied Christians the way you do everytime.

amagugm:
But Jesus Christ is far beyond that view. Isaiah 9:6

Ayilara1:
Any Christian celebrating this is an hypocrite and those muslims over there are also hypocrite(believing in something and manifesting something different). None of them(Muslim in there) believe Jesus is God or son of God and infact there are plethora of verses in the Qur'an that specifically talks about that.

We might not celebrate each other on our festive period while still having healthy relationship and that's TOLERANCE - Understanding each others religious injunctions and respecting it.

We only do this when it's Christian-Muslim stuff but not on traditional religion practionner. Who among you christians will say KUMUYI, OYEDEPO OR OYAKILHOME is TOLERANT if they attend shrine to felicitate with the SANGO worshippers?

And lastly, islam and Christianity ain't the same, they attacks each other basic doctrine so there's no different in it with the above analogy.

Godpikin4real:
Rejoice with them that rejoiceth, celebrate with them that celebrateth and mourn with him dat mourneth. Nice one there from our Muslim brodaz and sistas. Now, the question here is can the Christians also come out and celebrate With d Muslims during any of their Eid's?

advocatejare:
Did Muhammad celebrate his birthday every year on the twelfth day of the month of Rabiulawal?

Did he command you to celebrate his birthday on that day?

Does saying I was born on a Monday mean celebrate my birthday yearly on a date you can pick for yourself?

In short, Maulid nabiyy is an innovation (Bida'ah),

Nafizzey:
Sir Empi.ree, what's your comment on this?

OfficialAPCNig:
Jesus is the Father's ONLY creation. Every other creations were made by Jesus. That is why the verse use the word ONLY.

Our Bible also refers to angels and believers in Christ as sons of God.

... and whoever believe in Him, He (The Father) gave the power to become the sons of God.

Like Jesus, I am a son of God.

Our Bible also says God begets us through Jesus.


Jesus is the second person in the godhead. This is established in my religion.

Our Bible says that Jesus is the EXPRESS image of the father. So they are one.

To do what?

You mean I should convert to a religion that claims my Bible is corrupted without providing any proof

No christian even believe that talk more of many. We believe that there are other heavily beings aside the Father and Jesus

Yes, Jesus is GOD not by His own making but because it pleases the Father to CREATE Him as one.

OfficialAPCNig:
The problem with moslems is their VERY POOR understanding of the Bible. Imagine the rubbish you wrote there and claim you have better understanding of Christianity. I would have responded to it one-by-one but it's too long.

3. God adopted Jesus as His son and heir. Jesus was not begotten. Every Christian today is a son or daughter of God. He didn't beget any.

4. JESUS worships HIS FATHER because he is not equal with HIM.

5. Jesus has a beginning because He was created by One who has no beginning but He was in the beginning.

6. Apart from the Father and Jesus, there are other heavenly beings and they are also known as sons of God. Jesus sits on the right side of HIS FATHER because He is the heir.

OfficialAPCNig:
Not every Christian celebrates Christmas. It's never an obligation and Christian doctrine. Jesus celebrates his death and there is nothing wrong with His followers coming together to celebrate His death. BTW birth is more important than death.

I don't believe those hadith. It could easily be manipulated. If it is not in the Koran forget it. I believe the word of a supposed God should be complete without relying on the words of men. I'll only believe the hadith if you agree today that the koran is incomplete and God needs the help of men to make his words meaningful to humans.

Jesus celebrates his death and there is nothing wrong with His followers coming together to celebrate His death. BTW birth is more important than death.

We don't celebrate the birth of God. A God cannot be born. We celebrate the birth of Jesus - a human. He wasn't a God while on earth. He shed His divinity and took up the form of man to save humans from the bondage of sin.

OfficialAPCNig:
Moslems celebrate Maulud but says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas.

What is the difference between Mohammed's birthday and Jesus' birthday?

advocatejare:
That means you should be celebrating Muhammad's birthday every Monday and not every year since you don't know the exact day he was born.

And if your analogy is right, that means their shouldn't be at Division among Muslims about Maulid nabiyy, that means everyone should be okay with it, but that's not the case.

Finally, Jesus Christ is the world of God through which everything was created, he is the owner days, time and moment. We can choose to celebrate his birth any day we choose and demons and Satan will continue to be pained.

AbdulSleeky:
I'm an atheist and so? I cannot have an opinion on the Birthdays of prophets

AbdulSleeky:
No difference. Both celebrations make no sense.

OfficialAPCNig:
I am lost at words here.

Moslems celebrate Maulud but says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas.

What is the difference between Mohammed's birthday and Jesus' birthday?

The exact born date for each is unknown but adherents of both religion celebrate them.

Why should Moslems celebrate their messiah's birthday and Christians shouldn't celebrate theirs?

advocatejare:
The Jewish and Greek scriptures are still available today.
If you claim that the original gospel is lost, that means Allah failed in his assignment to keep it safe, Allah failed to protect what he claimed he revealed. Allah failed in his mission.

Allah claimed that the Quran was to confirm the books before it, and yet Allah couldn't protect the books Qur'an came to confirm from being lost. Does that make sense to you?



قُلْ مَنْ كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ فَإِنَّهُۥ نَزَّلَهُۥ عَلٰى قَلْبِكَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَهُدًى وَبُشْرٰى لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ
"Say, Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 97)

Where is the Quran according to Muhammad, the one we have today is according to Ibn Mujahid and the one that preceded that was according to Zaid bin Thabit and Uthman

In other words, Allah needed humans to create diacritical marks in order for the Quran to be understandable and those humans had to re write the Quran to insert their marks and inputs there and they did that years after Muhammad the supposed original recipient of the Quran had died? No wonder the Shia are claiming that you Sunni have altered the Quran

advocatejare:
Then you're saying that your Qur'an is a book of contradictions:


"And We did not send any messenger except in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
(QS. Ibrahim 14: Verse 4)

Muhammad was sent to his people in his language, and not in other language. Hence Muhammad was not sent to the world

Muhammad was sent to the people of Meccan and Arab peninsula:

"And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Makkah] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze."
(QS. Ash-Shura 42: Verse 7)



"And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 92)

Empi.ree, Muhammad wasn't sent to you according to the words of your Quran, muhammad was sent to those in Mecca and Arab peninsula, to mislead them.

Jesus spoke different languages, and even read the Hebrew scriptures even though he never went to school. Gospel means good news and not book. The good news that Jesus preached was written down Greek so that both the Jews and the non Jews could read and be saved.

advocatejare:
So that who may understand it? Now you've just said that Muhammad was only sent to the Arabs and not the entire world because if it's true that Allah created all languages why would he reveal the Quran in only Arabic language?

The old testament is in Hebrews while the new testament is in Greek

The original Quran was written on bones, stones, leaves and Uthman and Zaid burnt them, today there is no original Quran. There were not diacritical marks during the days of Muhammad and during the days of Uthman the author and editor of the present day Quran

As at 652 A.D. when Uthman compiled, standardized and burnt the original manuscripts of the Quran, were there diacritical marks in Arabic language?

Diacritical marks only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran. (This is verifiable fact)


The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:

Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

true2god:
I understand your concern when you brought out the KJV as your proof that the Bible is corrupt. Note, there is a big difference between english translation like the KJV, NIV, RSV, GNB, etc (just like you have Yusuf Ali, sahih international, Mushin Khan, Picktall, Ahmed Ali translations of the Quran) and Bible Hebrew and Greek manuscript. Now let me burst your bubble, both sahih international and Yusuf Ali translated Quran 10:5 differently. Go and read it and tell me which one is the right translation.

Now, let's come back to your concern, KJV uses old english in their translations which in modern days can be very wrong to current english readers. For example, the KJV version often use the word 'the holy ghost' to refer to 'the holy spirit'. Ghost and Spirit, to modern english speakers, are different but to the english speakers of 200-400 years ago they have not problem with that.

Besides, the word 'it' was also used for spirits in KJV instead of 'he' or 'his' as a pronoun for spirits. To a modern reader this is a problem because it makes spirits sound like inanimate objects. The good news here is that the translator of KJV have understood this concern and try to revised the translation in order to address this concern and are never ashamed to address them publicly. The result is the production of the NKJV.

And note, there is a different between biblical manuscripts and Bible translations. KJV is a Bible translations into english language, and just as you cannot refer Yorubas quranic translations as a standard Quranic manuscript you cannot hold KJV into the same standard. I hope you get the logic and understand my english.

So stop using Islamic, and ACADIP template, to blackmail the Bible and the Christan faith in particular. That talking point can only work on the uninformed. Thank you!

advocatejare:
No, the verse is not related to war, it's talking about those that intially thought Muhammad was a true prophet and believed him initially and emigrated with him to Yathrib but later turned back from Muhammad and Islam when they realised the truth.

Stop lying.




What's the penalty for apostasy under the Shariah law.

advocatejare:
Stop lying.

If you knew you wouldn't ask him to provide the proof. You had expected that he would not be able to give you the proof or you thought he will give you a daif hadith.

advocatejare:
No, the verse is not related to war, it's talking about those that intially thought Muhammad was a true prophet and believed him initially and emigrated with him to Yathrib but later turned back from Muhammad and Islam when they realised the truth.

Stop lying.




What's the penalty for apostasy under the Shariah law.

advocatejare:
You're already shivering. Advocatejare, the one that burst your lies has come