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Islam › Re: A Thread on Correcting Errors Made in Salat by Empiree: 5:19pm On Mar 26, 2015
zguy:
So it seems Ive totally been doing this wrong for years! sad
what wrong exactly?
Islam › Re: Muslim Inspired Fashion In China by Empiree: 5:16pm On Mar 26, 2015
PapaBrowne:
Let me put things in better perspective.

Why are there countless mosques in United states,UK and other Chhristian nations worldwide, but In Saudi Arabia churches are not allowed. In Qatar Churches are not allowed.
Why do muslims want the right to wear the hijab everywhere they go and wouldnt allow non muslims dress the way they want in their own countries?
The WHY is the same WHY when you apply for teaching job to be a teacher in christian or secular world, Board of Education will have to evaluate you (your competency).

Say for instance your 1+1+1=1 is your answer, Board of Education will definitely disqualify you.

Therefore, you have absolutely no right to teach because you will be teaching students the opposite. Garrit?
Islam › Re: Muslim Inspired Fashion In China by Empiree: 5:00pm On Mar 26, 2015
maclatunji:
Islam is easy to understand if you will apply reason and start with an open mind. See how this non-Muslim is explaining Islamic teachings on women's dressing.

The way I am going, I won't be surprised if I visit China someday, I am becoming a bigger fan every day.
You visited China yet?
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 4:35pm On Mar 26, 2015
E wooooooooo grin grin grin You telling me these are basic tenets Jesus came with? Gosh! Mr. naijablogger no go kill person. Now, let me analyze;

LOVE YOUR NAIBOR: That's long gone. Percentage of christians who practice this today are pretty much less than 0.01%. The phrase is easier said than done. We see sample of that on NL everyday with your fellow christians who dont want to live and let's live.

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK: There is no way i can say this without huge laughter grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin You know this one na big joke deep inside your heart. NL is indeed typical example of everything christianity stands for. In the case here though, you dont even turn other cheek, you go on offensive mission on Islam section. Many christians who go there to post something on topics usually curse, post porn*pix, curse our prophet, blasphemy against God, the list goes on. So far, i havent seen how you people abide by these so called Jesus mission needless to say international community. You dey make me laugh brother.


THE ONLY WAY TO FATHER IS THROUGH JESUS: This is indeed correct with respect to people he was sent to (Israelite), NOT you. Just like other prophets and messangers were sent to specific people.

Now, according to Qur'an and your Bible, the first commandment Jesus brought was to worship One God.

QUR'AN: Imran(3:51) Jesus said, "Indeed God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. This is the straight Path (Islamic monotheism)

BIBLE: Mark 12:29 "The most important one, Jesus answered, Hear Oh Israel! The God our God is One;.."

Luke 4:8 "Jesus answered; 'It is written: You shall worship the Lord Your God and serve Him only"

So according to you the three most important 'commandments' you posted are in conflict with what Quran and Bible said of Jesus' foremost commandments. You are missing the Most Important one. It's not in your list. So you can see why I said Paul invented christianity?. You contradict your own Bible.

AllNaijaBlogger:
What are the three most important teachings in Christianity?

-love thy neighbour
-turn the other cheek
-the only way to the Father is through Jesus

All from Jesus. Paul's teaching was mostly concerned with the early church and apostles. You know nothing about Christianity and yet you accuse Christianity of different things.



Please shut up. I bet you haven't even read Paul's teachings. The central message of Christianity is from Jesus.
Islam › Re: Let Muslims Be Muslim by Empiree: 3:07pm On Mar 26, 2015
Updated.......keep this going
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 12:30pm On Mar 26, 2015
[quote author=joseph1832 post=32011332]Empire.e you might want to know that what you stated is Michael Hart's personal opinion.
Indeed, his personal opinion.

Besides you might even ask him when Christians pray, do they do so in the name of Paul? Or do they summon and call upon the blood of paul?.
Indeed, Christians pray in the name of Jesus.
However, Mr. Hart is still right. Question is did Jesus instructed Christians to pray in his name?. Did Jesus instructed his followers to be called Christians?. These are Paul handiworks.

AllNaijaBlogger: I have told you many times to stop copying and pasting.
Everything is copy/paste to you. Does this look copy and pate to you again?. I only copied the links. Besides, what's the big deal doing that?

I have seen this false argument appear numerous times on the Islam section. You copied this argument. Micheal Hart is not a credible news organisation. I wonder why you use him to praise your religion.
Of-course, you could have seen it a million times. Who cares!. Well, that Michael Hart is not credible is your personal opinion. I only used him as a reference here. It doesnt bother me a bit.

Anyone who puts Paul before Christ in christianity does not know what he/she is doing. Jesus's teaching is the basis for Christianity not Paul's
I definitely agree with Michael Hart on this because clearly, clearly, Paul created Christianity. Therefore, he has the right to take credit for it. Your statement that Jesus' teaching is basis of Christianity is true by 1/3.

Stop making ignorant comments.
#yeyeman. Everything is ignorant.
Islam › Re: Face-Veil: Why The Ban? by Empiree:
usermane:
Let me repeat, i resent Islam section. It represent everything wrong with the Muslim world today, whether intolerance, ignorance, hypocrisy, oppression or victim complex. That is why i was taken aback to learn that this topic has been moved from Religion section, down here in Islam section. I have hard several of my threads deleted in Islam section, not for violating any Nairaland posting code but for criticising mainstream Muslim narratives and expressing alternative Islamic ideas or interpretations as i have done in this topic. Aside that, several non-Muslims have been penalized or banned for merely expressing opinions or observations critical of Muslims.
You are simply trying to interpolate Islam. For that reason, you are not to be taken serious.

Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree:
[quote author=plainbibletruth post=32007205][size=7pt][/size]
My goal is simple –
Mine is simplest.

to open your eyes to see that from your Quran if the facts of the virgin pregnancy and birth, the miracles and the ascension of Jesus Christ in one person are clearly, honestly and logically considered you will come to no other conclusion than that he is unique.
You just repeating yourself. You are not saying anything new. That's why I said earlier that you tried to do me "wayo". I dont need you to tell me what Qur'an says. As a matter of fact you dug a hole for yourself. Since you made those claims/evidences from Qur'an, you should then believe in Quran. Simple isn't?

What you are yet to do is to give the reasonable response to that conclusion.
Honestly, you just repeating yourself and I wont respond to you after this if you fail to grab it. Your logical deduction have no proof. Now I will try to keep it very simple as possible.

You provided those unique evidences from Qur'an. And you said because Jesus had those "3 combined unparalleled/unique attributes", therefore he must be more than just prophet. And i gave you Qur'anic evidence that he was simply a prophet, servant, messanger. Very simple and supported with evidences

Jesus said: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet. (19:30, Yusif Ali)


"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah,..." (4:171, Yusif Ali)


"Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him....." (5:75, Yusif Ali)

Now, your claim that:

If you Muslims have no problem with these attributes, like you said, how come you don’t accord him the reverence he deserves
Qur'an, Islam and Muslims already accorded him respect he deserved. Anytime his name is mentioned, we say PEACE BE UPON HIM. Very simple. Qur'an says with respect to honoring Jesus(pbuh). Qur'an 3:45


"(And Mentioned) when Angels said; "Oh Mary, Allah give you good news of a word from Him. whose name will be messaiah, Jesus, the son of Mary HELD HONOR IN THIS WORLD AND LIFEAFTER and among those who are brought near (to Allah)"

for having God work those unsurpassed things through him which literally make him STAND OUT head and shoulders above other prophets? How come?
You can't just talk. You have to bring up evidence.

First all, Quran prohibit making distinction between God's prophets.

Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." 3:84

Secondly, it's said that there are 144,000 prophets and messangers sent by God. Of all these, only 25 most powerful are mentioned in the Quran. And from the 25 there are "special five" called Ulul'azm Anbiya' (Arch-Prophets) singled out to be extremely powerful with strong will and determination.

He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him].(Qur'an 42:13)

See the last bold part (green) clearly describes you. That's exactly the reason you dont understand. Read further...

"And [mention, O Muhammad], when We took from the prophets their covenant and from you and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary; and We took from them a solemn covenant."

^This Ayah begins with the last Prophet, as a token of respect, may the blessings of Allah be upon him, then the names of the other Prophets are given in order, may the blessings of Allah be upon them. Ibn `Abbas said: "The strong covenant is Al-`Ahd (the covenant).

So there is no evidence from Qur'an to suggest that Jesus was more than a prophet. You can't just tell me to accept your wack logical deduction without evidence to back it up.

Now here is my logical question which i asked you before. Show me evidence that Jesus said he is more than a prophet, servant and messanger of God?. Simple, isn't?. Your "wayo" that Jesus has combined attributes make him God is your personal theory.Answer that question @boldblue.


Sidenote: You may need to read Michael Hart's Top 100 Most Influential Persons In History

He rated:

Moses #4
Jesus #3
Apostle Paul #2
Muhammad#1

Michael Hart himself is a christian born in NYC. He was asked by Christian scholars why he rated Paul above Jesus?. He replied that Jesus didnt write any book, he didn't do lots of work, he didnt create Christianity. He said Paul created Christianity in his name to earn reputation. Therefore, Jesus did not deserve to earn second position according to him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100:_A_Ranking_of_the_Most_Influential_Persons_in_History

http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/new_muslim/100_most_influential.pdf
Islam › Re: Hadith About Safa And Marwa,the Well Zam-zam,and The Building Of The Ka'aba by Empiree: 8:25pm On Mar 25, 2015
You should break down your op into at 4-5 posts. That's not a good read. Your op is too long
Agriculture › Re: My Little Onion And Cabbage Farming by Empiree: 5:49am On Mar 25, 2015
op, can i have stuffed cabbage please grin
Properties › Re: Building A Block Of 8 Flats Of 2 Bedrooms In Enugu. by Empiree:
^they want to make history, i guess.
Islam › Re: A Thread on Correcting Errors Made in Salat by Empiree: 5:43am On Mar 25, 2015
@lanrexlan: well done!

abdoolhapheez: Jazakallah Khairan @ lanrex and op too..I benefited from this..sorry for derailing,but I however have another Question.When praying fajr in congregation, I notice in the 2nd raka'at after the Imam recites surah,there's a short pause before going to ruku and everyone STARTS reciting something.please what is being recited during that short pause? Thanks
They recite ayah nur when i was growing up. It's Qunut in the second rakah. Not obligatory though. http://islamqa.info/en/112016. I used to do it regularly. It's Shafi school of law(madhab)
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree:
plainbibletruth:
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I was not the one who brought up the issue you are raising.


My claim is simply this:
According to the Quran -
Jesus birth was unique and supernatural:
- Sura 3:45 – 47
Jesus performed miracles, signs and wonders:
- Sura 3: 49; 5:110
Jesus ascended to heaven, so the end of his life was unique and supernatural:
- Sura 3:55

Therefore Christ’s life was unique and supernatural. The FACTS of the virgin pregnancy and birth, the miracles and the ascension of Jesus Christ make him the MOST UNIQUE and SUPERNATURAL PERSON who ever lived because he is the ONLY ONE that has or combines ALL these three attributes put together.

However this fact seems to have escaped Muslims like yourself.

You revere Mohammed: You give him deferential honour. Yet Jesus who was more unique in the ways pointed out above is given only a second place (or perhaps third or fourth or … … place?) by you.
Does that not seem strange?
Your argument is straw one. And this is surely becoming annular argument. I said earlier that you tried to do me "wayo" which means fraud. And i used the same method against you that you should show me in the bible "WHERE JESUS SAID BECAUSE HE WAS GIVEN THESE THREE (3) UNPARRALLED AND UNIUE ATTRIBUTES, HE IS SAVIOR AND LORD OF ALL?". You are unable to provide such evidence.

And when you talked about his miracles, I showed verses from Quran and Bible that Jesus did not perform those miracles. It was God Almighty who performed miracles through him. Jesus himself said in your Bible

"I can on my own DO NOTHING"

Yet, you still adamant. We as muslims have no problem with those attributes Quran attributed to Jesus(peace be upon him). And it is the same Quran that tells us those attributes dont make him Lord and savior of the world. As a matter of fact, he was sent ONLY to Israelites. Very simple.
Islam › Re: Face-Veil: Why The Ban? by Empiree:
^Lol, This is your prerogative. It's not disrespective so long as Judge or officer dont complain. My neighbor 2 years ago was stopped at the counter on her way to Singapore by US marshal. She was asked to lift her veil without disrespecting her. She complied respectively as well.

However, she didnt know there are human rights activists on board who said to her to file a complain with ACLU. She thought that was stupid as no reason to do so since officer did not harrass her.

Point is, if officials in court or at citizenship place dont complain, how's that your cup of Garri?. Yes, face veil (niqab, burqa etc) are not mandatory. It's also right of those who choose to wear them just like some think they have right to wear bikini. Garit?
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree:
Don't be amazed. I delibrately ignored it becuase you make no sense. And since you iterate you got your evidences from Qur'an, then let's see what Quran says about status of Jesus before God and muslims. Quran says: Jesus was no more than a messanger(prophet). Sura 5:75

"The Messiah (the son of Mary) was NO MORE THAN A MESSANGER. Many were messangers that passed away before him His mother was siddiqah(she believe in the word of Allah and His Books). The both used to eat (as human do but Allah does not eat). Look how We make the signs clear to them, yet look at how they are diluded away from the Truth"

As for his uniqueness you talked about, Quran say it merely a sign for mnakind. And that his similitude is that of Adam.

Sura 3:59-60

The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam. He created him from dust and then said to him "Be! and he was". The truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt".


So from Qur'an it's clear that Jesus is 100% human being, a messnager and prophet of God. Nothing more. And his status as God's servant can never be undermined by Muslims.

Now, on the issue of him being called God in your Bible, then, you have to agree with me that your Bible contradicts itself if you think Jesus is God when your same Bible called him prophet, servant. Besides, places he's called God/god in the bible it's Bible writers and others that called him by that.

So it is your persnal doctrine to think because Jesus had those 3 unparralled attritubes he's more than prophet. Prove to me from your Bible that Jesus said that. Very simple question.

As for "returning to source" according to you, which source exactly?. Bible?. Now let's see.

Show me where in the Bible Jesus said he was given Bible
Show me where in the Bible it called itself bible
Show me in the bible where it says this is the bible "according to Jesus"
And which bible exactly because you have many of them. I can name them if you want.


plainbibletruth:
I’m amazed!
I’m amazed because I believe you should be smarter.
The very first issue I presented is the uniqueness of Jesus from the Quran. Is this a fact or not? The FACTS of the virgin pregnancy and birth, the miracles and the ascension of Jesus Christ IN ONE PERSON.

Is there anybody who combines all the three attributes I listed in one person? You did not address this.

I believe I was plain on what I presented; so I don’t know the “wayo” you’re talking about.

In addition I didn’t say Jesus Christ was not a prophet or a messenger. Not at all! I only added that he was more than those. He combined those offices and much more. So your quotes did not really disprove anything.

You haven’t proved my challenge wrong. Simply this: show any other person who has or combines ALL these three attributes put together in one person.

It is not about cooking up my own opinion. I’m saying that evidence from your holy book, the Quran, shows clearly the uniqueness of Jesus Christ. The issue then is why has this fact escaped Muslims like yourself? Strange?

When the evidence from the Quran about Jesus is accepted by any Muslim it becomes easy to then go to the more comprehensive source of information about him – the Bible – to get details on him that show him for who he truly is.

So on your question; the Gospels in the following portions give answer:
As Lord – John 8:58, 11:25, 13:13-14. Luke 6:5, 22:67-70, 23:3. Additionally the book of Revelation 1:8.
As Saviour – John 10:11, 15.
These are clearly Jesus’ own words and claims.
Islam › Re: Face-Veil: Why The Ban? by Empiree: 8:09pm On Mar 24, 2015
"Last Age" is here folks.

Time to strengthen our faith, folks.

"Unbridled hoaxers" are here telling us what Islam is.

They are no doubt ibn Dajjal and Shayyateen.

Be careful. Protect yourself and your family from Dajjalic people.

Brace! Brace!! Brace!!!

It's going to get worse.

May Allah protect us from these agents of fitna.
Islam › Re: • The Three Questions??? by Empiree: 5:54am On Mar 24, 2015
Let's invite usermane to read your last post. Mind you this is his evidence.

Sahih al-Bukhari » Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever says that I am better than Jonah bin Matta, is a liar."
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 4:30am On Mar 24, 2015
[quote author=plainbibletruth post=31935067]
[size=5pt]The FACTS of the virgin pregnancy and birth, the miracles and the ascension of Jesus Christ make him the MOST UNIQUE and SUPERNATURAL PERSON who ever lived because he is the ONLY ONE that has or combines ALL these three attributes put together.[/size]
Basically, you are telling here indirectly that my analysis given earlier was indeed correct. Your concern seems to be ALL 3 uniqueness make him Lord i:e God, right?

Now do you get it?
Basically, you trying to do me "wayo". I will explain how. Remember when you first started this conversation, you came up with Quran evidences to back up your claims that:

Jesus was born miraculously, performed miracles, ascended to heaven.

Jesus Christ is therefore more than a prophet or a messenger. Jesus Christ is saviour and Lord of all!
Okay. Let me remind you that you began by presenting evidences. Therefore, I will only ask you one question that will put you off.

I challenge you to show otherwise.
Whether you are comfortable with my earlier analysis or not, that's just simple facts. Now, your concern is Jesus had all three qualities that none else had. Therefore, he must be savior and God of all according to you. My attempt here first is to prove from your Bible what Jesus was called and accepted.

Jesus the prophet (of God)

Matthew 21:11
The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee."

Luke 7:16
They all were filled with fear and praised God. “A great prophet has appeared among us!”

John 4:19
“I see you are a prophet, sir,” the woman said.

Jesus also alluded to Himself as a prophet in Mark 6:4.
Jesus said to them, “Prophets are respected everywhere except in their own hometown and by their relatives and their family.”

Ephesians 2:20
You, too, are built upon the foundation laid by the apostles and prophets, the cornerstone being Christ Jesus himself.

Now, let's see here. Jesus is called servant, man (of God)

Acts 3:26
And so God chose his Servant and sent him to you first, to bless you by making every one of you turn away from your wicked ways.”

Acts 2:22
“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.”

This passage confirms exactly what Qur'an says Imran 49

"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah.

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

Acts 3:26
God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

Acts 4:27
for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,

Matthew 12:18
"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."

Let me stop here.

Now, here is God Almighty claiming He is the Only Lord and Savior.

"Ye are My witnesses, saith the Lord, and My servant whom I have Chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I AM He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, AM the Lord; and beside Me, There is No Saviour."

Here, Jesus admitted God is Greater than him
John 14:28
You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Here Mark downgraded Jesus miracles Mark 6:5:

And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them.

Definitely what you cooked up there is your own opinion without universal evidence to back it up.

My final question. If you can't answer it, that's it. I repeat, when you first started, you came up with evidences from Qur'an to back your claims. My question is,

Where did Jesus say in the Bible that because he's "unique", "unparalleled", as a result of his (combined) "ALL these three attributes put together", therefore he is saviour and Lord of all!huh huh huh huh
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Empiree: 7:27pm On Mar 23, 2015
joseph1013:
HUSH, GOD IS SLEEPING

The six-day biblical creation story is so flawed and so firmly contradicted by what we know about the universe, that some Christians try to find excuses for it. They say, the universe WAS created in six days but they were not literal days. They were days of millions or billions of years.

Does this make it better?

To match the elapsed time since the true of beginning of the universe, a biblical creation day would have to be equal to 2.3 billion years, which brings its own problems—like grass, plants and trees being created billions of years before the sun…

But there is one way in which this idea is an improvement. The story says God rested on the seventh day. Since a day is 2.3 billion years, God must still be resting and will rest for another two billion years or so.

Now THAT does help—that could explain a lot.
Are you a christian?
I would agree if christians said God created heavens and earth in "6Days" to mean not literal. Qur'an also makes reference to this. However, Quran makes it clear that a day in the sight of God can be a thousand yrs, a day in the sight of God can be 50 thousand yrs etc.

The arabic Quran doesnt use our biological day. It uses "yaum". Yaum in the context of creation of heavens and earth means "day". That's, a very long period of time. Not our biological day. There are three(3) examples given in the Quran. Let me give you one.

The story of young men in the Cave (Chapter 18 of Quran). Qur'an says that the young men with their dog slept for 300 or 309 yrs. What happened was the men fled the town where they were persecuted for their monotheistic faith and sought refuge in a cave. There they fell asleep with their dog for 300-309 yrs.

Obviously, they were travellers but got tired and slept. When they woke up, they started questioning themselves "how many days did we sleep?". They began to guess among themselves. Some said perhaps a day or part of a day. Then Quran tells us that the actual number of days they slept is only known to God....but it says they slept for 300yrs.

Definitely, that long period of time is not biological for two(2) reasons:

1 - When they woke up, generations have passed. They saw things have changed. At the time they fled the town, people at that time were disbelievers who persecuted them. But by the time they woke up they found believing people(majority).

2 - Their body remained the same. The same size, same age including their dog.

That's why after they woke up, they felt hungry and sent one of them to buy good food but warned to be careful that authority might punish them if they are found using old money.....that it might changed i:e people might be using different money. But the people are faithful.

Here is another example from Hadith of the prophet(pbuh)

He said Dajjal (anti-christ) will rule the world for three (3) "days". He went further to say 1 day like year, 1 day like a month and 1 day like a week. This is indication that "days" mentioned in the creation of heavens and earth is not biological. So those verses should not be taken as 6 days of our time unless bible scholars say otherwise.

Note: I am not defending Bible. Just input my thought. grin

The crazy thing i disagree with in the Bible is for saying God "rested". That's blasphemy. God does not rest. Quran in chapter 2:255 says that God does not sleep, nor slumber. Nor does he tire or rest. So that statement in the bible that God rested is word of disbelieve.
Islam › Re: Malcolm X: Sixty Years Later by Empiree(op): 4:09pm On Mar 23, 2015
gatiano:
It is your lack of indepth or thorough understanding.
Allah in the person of Master Fard Muhammad. If you can read well to full understanding, you would know what that means.
We do not have a spirit of Allah that Men can't see, that idea is fraudulent.
humm, You have to provide evidence from Qur'an to back your claims. Remember christians also believe in similar statements. That's why they are rejected. So NOI are not islamic sect. It's a different religion. Your statmeents above are in conflict with Qur'an. You likened Allah to human. That's shirk.

Evidence:

Sura 112 (Ikhlas) "There Is Nothing Like Him(Allah)

You also said Farad Muhammad is "son of Allah" but Qur'an disputes that:

Surah 19 (Maryam 35-36)

"It is not befitting to (the Majesty of) Allah that He should have a son. Glory be to Him...."

What evidence do you have otherwise?
Islam › Re: An Islamic Approach To Dialogue: Advice To Muslims On Religious Section by Empiree:
Indeed, it's something easier said than done. Easier to do for some.....difficult for the others. We can only keep advising ourselves. That's one good thing as a reminder in this section. That's something other religious section lacks.

We definitely can not be 100% as our ego tends to take the best of us. Our prophet (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him and his household) was also human with blood and flesh but wahi subdued his nafs.

As for we, it takes a gut to talk to our ego to calm down. It doesnt matter how much knowledge one acquires. It's not our fault. It's just one of the many Signs of Allah's superiority over us. He created the thing inside of us also as a test. Constant reminder like this one is A+.
Islam › Re: Malcolm X: Sixty Years Later by Empiree(op): 12:17pm On Mar 23, 2015
^Lol. Your last statement is word of kufr
Islam › Re: Malcolm X: Sixty Years Later by Empiree(op): 2:01am On Mar 23, 2015
gatiano: This Sheik said facts in this video, do you agree with him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHhM7QAi9xU
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree:
Nice try...[quote author=plainbibletruth post=31892462]
Even the Quran shows Jesus to be more UNIQUE than any other ‘prophet’ yet this FACT is ignored by millions of Muslims who should accord him the reverence he deserves by accepting him as their saviour.
ok. let's see


3 UNPARALLED UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT JESUS
Okay. We first need to difine what "unparalleled" and "unique" mean.

Unparalled simply means exceptional, having no equal etc

unique means being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else. Now let's take a look at your assertions

Jesus birth was unique and supernatural:
- Sura 3:45 – 47
Click the link for the verses http://quran.com/3/45-47 simply means he was born without father. But he has mother, Mary. Now let's take a look at Adam. He has no father and mother. Quran speaks: "Truly, the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, 'Be,' and he was." (Sura 3:59)

So Jesus had at least mother. Adam had none. So Adam's creation is more unique in this sense. Now let's take a look at the Bible, the tale of Melchizedek. Bible described him.

King James Version (KJV) Hebrews 7:1-4

1- For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2- To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3- Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4- Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

So it's clear from both Qur'an and the Bible that despite Jesus unique birth, there are others who were more unique and unparalled than Jesus because:

Adam and Jesus had the beginning

Adam had no father, no mother

Jesus had a mother

Melchizedek on the other hand had no beginning, no genealogy, no father no mother yet he is also called son of God

Your claimed refuted here. grin


Jesus performed miracles, signs and wonders:
- Sura 3: 49; Sura 5:110
"[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." Click here: http://quran.com/5/110

Click here http://quran.com/3/49

"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."

So in the verses above, we muslims do not dispute Jesus performed miracles, But he did so with help of God. The verses are so clear.

Now let's look into Bible other prophets that performed miracles.

Elijah: James 5:17 ->Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months.

1 Kings 17:14-16 -> "For thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'The bowl of flour shall not be exhausted, nor shall the jar of oil be empty, until the day that the LORD sends rain on the face of the earth.'" So she went and did according to the word of Elijah, and she and he and her household ate for many days. The bowl of flour was not exhausted nor did the jar of oil become empty, according to the word of the LORD which He spoke through Elijah.

1 Kings 17:22-23
The LORD heard the voice of Elijah, and the life of the child returned to him and he revived. Elijah took the child and brought him down from the upper room into the house and gave him to his mother; and Elijah said, "See, your son is alive."


1 Kings 18:36
At the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet came near and said, "O LORD, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, today let it be known that You are God in Israel and that I am Your servant and I have done all these things at Your word.

2 Kings 1:10-12
Elijah replied to the captain of fifty, "If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty " Then fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty. So he again sent to him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he said to him, "O man of God, thus says the king, 'Come down quickly.'" Elijah replied to them, "If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty." Then the fire of God came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty.

1 Kings 18:41-45
Now Elijah said to Ahab, "Go up, eat and drink; for there is the sound of the roar of a heavy shower." So Ahab went up to eat and drink. But Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he crouched down on the earth and put his face between his knees. He said to his servant, "Go up now, look toward the sea." So he went up and looked and said, "There is nothing." And he said, "Go back" seven times. read more.It came about at the seventh time, that he said, "Behold, a cloud as small as a man's hand is coming up from the sea." And he said, "Go up, say to Ahab, 'Prepare your chariot and go down, so that the heavy shower does not stop you.'" In a little while the sky grew black with clouds and wind, and there was a heavy shower. And Ahab rode and went to Jezreel. -

2 Kings 2:8
Elijah took his mantle and folded it together and struck the waters, and they were divided here and there, so that the two of them crossed over on dry ground.

Elisha also performed miracles. Let's stop here. So other prophets also have unparalleled qualities of Jesus(peace be upon him)


Jesus ascended to heaven, so the end of his life was unique and supernatural:
- Sura 3:55
http://quran.com/3/55
"[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."

So in the Quran verse above, God raised him up. Jesus did not raise himself. According to your Bible, Jesus did not ascend. He was killed. John 19 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19

Elijah Ascends to Heaven 2 Kings 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
And it came to pass, when the Lord was about to take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. 2 Then Elijah said to Elisha, “Stay here, please, for the Lord has sent me on to Bethel.”

So here according to your Bible Jesus was murdered. Elijah on the other hand ascended to heaven. So here we see Elijah has same unparalleled qualities like Jesus.


Therefore Christ’s life was unique and supernatural.
Jesus died on the cross, so that we might have forgiveness of our sins, and also rose from the grave, and conquered death.
Nonsense!


Wouldn’t these – his unique and supernatural birth, his unique and supernatural life and his unique and supernatural end of his life – make him the ONLY PERSON who ever lived and had all these UNPARALLELED qualities in these three areas COMBINED and not just in one or two?
Irrelevant. Reference above. You are refuted.


Any other thing will be beating about the bush or groping in the DARK.
Remove the mole from your eyes. Embrace Islam. Jesus is not Lord. He was a prophet and messanger. Therefore, there were others like him.

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