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Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem

Allahu laaa ilaaha illaa huwal haiyul qai-yoom; laa taakhuzuhoo sinatunw wa laa nawm; lahoo maa fissamaawaati wa maa fil ard; man zallazee yashfa'u indahooo illaa be iznih; ya'lamu maa baina zideehim wa maa khalfahum; wa laa yuheetoona beshai 'immin 'ilmihee illa be maa shaaaa; wasi'a kursiyyuhus samaa waati wal arda wa la ya'ooduho hifzuhumaa; wa huwal aliyyul 'azeem


Recite it every morin and ask God wat ever u want....and thank me later

Inna illah Wahina illahi rajiun

Sheik Hamza Yusuf's rant.... I love this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG8u1vq9zE8

Recent revert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3QWWuKKrMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG8u1vq9zE8

[quote author=AlBaqir post=31763600]Ma sha Allah Empiree. Hope you, family and work are good.

Alhamdulilah

May Allah suffices us.

Amin

Where I really felt disturbed is the video of those cutting themselves in the name of Ashura. The sheik gave impression as if that's the way and the practices of Shi'a.

You just answered one of my questions. Disturbing indeed. I felt like talking to him through the video that it's only some nut-jobs that do that.

Fi amanillah.

Inshallah

I have to read your responses fully before my other question.

[quote author=truthman2012 post=31761106]I used to wonder too as it is very difficult to differentiate Muhammad and his allah.

Because when you too proud to learn this is what happens. Very simple thing you dont understand. Read the Qru'an:

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 35 Surah Fatir verse 8:

Then is one to whom the evil of his deed has been made attractive so he considers it good [like one rightly guided]? For indeed, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself perish over them in regret. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of what they do.

Numerous verses of the quran say ''obey Allah and his messenger''.

Yes, by obeying the messanger He sent, you then obey God by conforming with His message. Is that difficult to comprehend....seriously?

Muhammad enjoyed the same power as allah himself.

False!


^Pointing fingers again. Why then you worship Jesus and ascribed Divinity to him? Haven't Christians today "enjoyed" the same power with God?

[quote author=malvisguy212 post=31755645]Jesus did not read the Gospel,he preach the gospel,

Okay, good. He preached the Gospel. That's not much of a problem. Now, the Gospel he preached, where is it?

he only read from the old covenant and each time he read it to the people, he proclaims it FULFILLED

Okay, no problem here . So Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant. Good. The Law stands. Okay

Jesus is the word of God,

No problem. I believe that too. Same Word of God applies to average human beings that brought us into being. The 'Word' in the context is what Qur'an refers to as "Kun Fayakun" i: Be! and It is. This means anytime God wishes something to be done, He only says to it Be! and the thing became into being. Understand?

God did not give Jesus any book,

Well, according to Qur'an, Jesus(peace be upon him) was given a scripture(revelation) called Injil. Doesn't mean a Holy Book came down from heaven and he carried it around preaching. No, that's not what it means.

I wish muhammed was alive,

I wish too. We Muslims actually.

we would have ask him to produce the book let see since non of you have been able to produce just ONE copy,

Honestly, I fee sad reading this part. It sounds like you are pained because we Qur'an said previous Books have been corrupted. I feel you but evidences abound in the world today as proofs that (with many versions of the Bible NOT just translations) available today.

Well, this was explained to you earlier on this thread or another thread. You chose to ignore. Let me endeavor to go through it here again maybe you can figure out if indeed Jesus was sent to MALVISGUY212.

Confirmation of Teachings
of Previous Revelations

Several verses in the Holy Qur'an reveal that every prophet came to confirm teachings of previous prophets.

And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law (Torah) that had come before him. We sent him the Injil; therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah(Q: 5:46).

Now, the above contradicts allnaijablogger who accused me and rilwayne001 that we dont know that Jesus read Old Testament. I just ignored him cuz he didnt make sense to me. Here is what he said earlier on this thread.

AllNaijaBlogger:
I can't stop laughing at the ignorance of Messrs

They clearly did not know that Jesus read the old testament and that the new testament is an account of his life told by others.

Everyone can see that these guys have an agenda to attack christianity. when he is against christians copying from anti-islamic websites.

You can go back to p.1 to reconfirm this. So Qur'an sealed off his nonsense. And by agenda to attack Christianity as he said, no I don't. He should be telling his girl friend, ifean all that.

Bone of contention
Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Torah (which came) before me,
(HQ: 61:6).

The holy verses of Qur'an agree with the Gospel where Jesus said:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil (M't: 5:17).

The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) carried a Call that came to clarify previous Revelations and spell out what was misunderstood.

To thee We sent the Book in truth, confirming the Book that came before it, and guarding it in safety (HQ: 5:48)

Along that line, The Holy Qur'an respects previous Revelations:

It was We who revealed the Law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the Prophets who bowed to Allah's Will, by the Rabbis and the experts of Law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto (HQ: 5:44).

As it is obvious from the previous verses, it is repeatedly stated that the teachings of each prophet are included in a "Book". Within this context, the "Book" is not necessary a certain Scripture. This conclusion goes in accordance with what was mentioned in other places, and the following example explains it. When the Holy Qur'an speaks about Jesus, it says that Allah, "teach him the Book (kitab) and wisdom, Torah and Gospel" (HQ: 3:48 ).

[size=5pt]Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qur’an: the
Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an. Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh). Zaboor, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Dawood (a.s.) i.e. David (pbuh). Injeel, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Isa (A.S.) ie. Jesus (pbuh). ‘Al-Qur’an’, the last and final Wahi i.e. revelation given to the last and final Messenger Muhammad (pbuh). It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur’an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets. The Qur’an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.
Another name for the Qur’an is the ‘The Furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God.[/size]

Why Didn't Allah Preserve "Bible"
Allah promised in the Quran that He would take on the responsibility of protecting His final word from loss. He said, "Verily I have revealed the Reminder (Quran), and verily I shall preserve it." (Surah al-Hijr (15):9)

Thus, the Quran has been preserved in both the oral as well as written form in a way no other religious book in history has.

Why did Allah preserve the Quran and allow His earlier books of divine revelation to be changed or lost?. The answer to that question lies in the following three facts:

1- The earlier prophets and their books were sent to a particular people in particular periods of history. Once the period ended, a new prophet was sent with a new book to replace the previous book. So, it was not necessary that these books be preserved by Allah. The preservation of the earlier books was left up to the people as a test for them. Thus, when the people went astray, they changed what was written in the books which their prophets brought in order to make allowable the things which were forbidden to them. In that way, all of the earlier books of revelation became either changed or lost.

2- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last prophet whom Allah sent, and he was not sent to a particular people or a particular time. He was sent to all of mankind until the end of the world. Allah said in the Quran,

"I have only sent you (Muhammad) as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind, but most men do not understand." [Noble Quran 34:28]

Thus, his book of revelation, the Quran, had to be specially preserved from any form of change or loss so that it would be available to all the generations of man until the last day of the world.

3- The Quran was the main miracle given to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to prove that he was a true prophet of Allah and not an imposter. So, the Quran had to be saved to prove to the later generations that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was really the last prophet of Allah. All of the false prophets who came after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) brought books which they claimed to be revealed from Allah, but none of them have the miraculous ability to be memorized by thousands, nor have they improved on the message of the Quran. The significance of the Quran's preservation is that Islam has been kept in its original purity because of it. Humanity can always return to the sources of Islam no matter what people may have added or forgotten in time. All of the essential principles of Islam are to be found in the Quran. Consequently, the preservation of the Quran meant the preservation of Islam in its final form. The loss of the Gospel of Jesus means that Christians can never return to the true teachings of Prophet Jesus except by accepting Islam. Similarly, the original Torah was lost when Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. Thus, the Jews cannot return to the pure teachings of Prophet Moses except by following Islam. It is only in Islam that the pure teachings of the prophets have been preserved without any change. That is why Allah said in the Quran,

"Verily, the only acceptable religion to Allah is Islam." [Noble Quran 3:19]

infacte there is not a single quranic manuscript yet you guys open your mouth and called the word of God corrupted,seriously?

Dont be sad brother. Truth has to be told. You keep saying Prophet Muhammad(p) accepted Bible as word of God. Where in the Qur'an is says "Bible"?. Where in the Bible itself it calls itself Bible?. And if Bible is word of God, why do you have different doctrines in Christendom?. Some believe Jesus is God. Some believe he's not God. Some or all of you believe he son of God. Some believe he's part of trinity. These are clear contradictions over.

God is not the author of confusion. And there are many other conflicting passages in both Old & New Testaments which means Bible you have today contains fingerprints of men. Can't you read that from my earlier posts on authors of the Bible?. Even allnaijablogger admitted there are unknown authors of the Bible. Were these unknown authors also inspired by God?. Author is different from Transtor

Author means a person who writes a novel, poem, essay, etc.; the composer of a literary work, as distinguished from a compiler, translator, editor, or copyist.

Translator means the act or process of translating, especially from one language into another

But Qur'an says no one can author it except Allah:

"This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds." (Qur'an 10:37)

AllNaijaBlogger: ...the new testament is an account of his life told by others.

This means Bible is hearsay just like hadith. Actually, hadith has higher standard than bible bcuz we know 99.99% first and last names of hadith narrators including their backgrounds. Unlike your bible, you have no idea who those writers are. And of-course, to be fair, Bible does contain some word of God. No muslim denies this. We only say it's distorted. Here is hadith statement on this:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah's Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us." (2.136) (Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 12)

Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)

At this present, there are over 40 bible versions with variations. Let me name few: Homosexual Bible, Kiddie Bible, Women Bible, Amplified Bible, Judas Bible, Barnabas Gospel, and a dude from German also has his own Bible "Easy-to-read version". So I ask you again, which one did Jesus preach?.

Satan is only manipulating the word of God,

humm, indeed. Tell this to Bible writers. They know better.

Now to answer your question again. You asked:

malvisguy212:
Where in the quran it say the bible/scripture is corrupted?

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)

But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Quran 5:13-14)[/color]

You see the bold part?...clearly captured the whole thing. Haven't they wrote many more Bibles today including those I cited above?. Goodluck man.

^^humm, i knew you will be here sooner or later. I watched this video when i was at work on weekend. I dislike some of what he said even being "sunni", because ever since i knew u here, your view somewhat differs from what's being communicated in the video. I was going to leave comment and mentioned you to defend it but i forgot. However, i was sure you would eventually land here.

I haven't read your responses yet. I will be back here inshallah to read in full. I did listen to the whole video though. I see loopholes contrary to research link you gave me last yr. After i read your refutation, i will return here to ask question(s) about few points raised in this video

[quote author=johnydon22 post=31710135]Lolzzz she's/he's ( i dont know which one ) kinda is obsessed with Islam shaa, its very obvious..

so you know. why then naijablogger pretends like he didnt know?. The brother is something else.

anyways i actually enjoy ur arguments tho, helps keep nairaland less boring

I know you are. You just fold your arms and watch. Good for u

and the way you guys castigate your religions is far more better than any atheist or free thinker or agnostic ever can...

humm if u say so. I detest it but when a nut-job thinks she/he knows everything about others, it's necessary to charge off.

You guys should keep it up

dont know

malvis: You seem to lack comprehension. Didn't I explain this to you before?. Let's keep it simple. Now tell me which bible are you talking about?. You have over 40 different versions. Which one did Jesus read?. When you answer that, I will compare it to what Qur'an said to see if it corresponds to his message. okay?.

suptol:
Matt 4:10, 26:24, 26:31 to mention a few all gave account of Jesus saying "it is written" which made me to draw a conclusion that He read the Bible /scroll when on earth.

Okay, those verses say "scripture(s)".

Question is which scripture Jesus read?. If your Answer is "Bible" another question is which of bibles?. To my knowledge, there are over 40 versions of the Bible. They have lots of differences and contradictions. Which one Jesus read?.

itstpia8:
Another female unbeliever opening thread to preach to christians?

Exactly! like another female opening threads after threads to preach to Muslims https://www.nairaland.com/ifeann

Another tactic they use is they can not debate theology intelligently without abuses. Without cursing Allah and His messanger. The same fellow just proved that as seen in the attached below. She/he was challenged to have public debate.

Please read her excuses or conditions in order for her/him to debate Muslim/Christian dialogue. Yet she/he claim to possessed lots of islamic knowledge.

More Proof Of Missionaries And Evangelist Tactics

Qur'an teaches us in sura 2:120
"And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper."

They can go to any length to blackmail Islam and its prophet to propagate their "Triune gods", "man-god" and "3-headed-gods" to dupe vulnerable. That's how desperate they can be. Below is screenshot of a fella, who, because he or she wants to gain converts has to "proof" she/he got some Islamic knowledge.

Below is sample comment made by the fella to deceive a "muslim" friend. Muslims have gotta be steadfast against these satanic folks. Safe your children from them. Have zero tolerance for them when it comes to propagating their 1+1+1=1. They can take you to hell-fire straight without toll-fee

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Ifeann:
I don't care what B. Shaw says, I can never post what someone says about Christianity as a point to defend Christianity.

But u Muslims post what this ordinary human says to defend Islam and when I showed u its a fabrication then all of a sudden u don't care what he says. His only recorded opinion of Islam suddenly turns ur belly.
Wooow..u are deluded.

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Ifeann:
I have better things to do than share a room with dirty bearded wiffe beaters reciting 7th century Arabic.

That's it. Keep your so called 'knowledge' with you. Satan also studied Qur'an but he doesn't understand it. I know tricks of Satan. Your gutter religion is not any better either. Who wants to worship man-god, 3-headed-gods that was nailed on the cross!

^ if i did not mention your moniker means I dont need your attention. Simple, isnt?. What Mr. Shaw said whether it's bogus or authentic is not relevant to me at all. If you and allnaijablogger want to die over that so be it. Keep yourself busy over irrelevancies.

@allnaijablogger, got u. You are very deceptive. And what exactly her screenshot she exposed, i just dont get it. And why are you now advising her to stop copy paste from anti-islam websites, after your lies are busted?. Keep it up

Ifeann:
As an "islamophobe" who has studied isalm for some time now, I am Shocked at the commands in the quran and hadiths. i want to say that u know little about ur religion or maybe u are just ignorant or perhaps use AL TAQIYYA as encouraged by the quran.

Then keep "your knowledge" of islam with you. Do you have a certificate at least formal elementary studies on Islam?. If answer is no, then you know nothing.

AllNaijaBlogger:
You lied about Bernard Shaw praising islam. I caught you clean and clear.

Honestly, you dont make any sense. Believe that. I thought you wanted to come up with "empiree lied about islamic theology" and then you showed the proof. If you had done this, i would believe you but you came up with this nonsense?. So that means if i'd posted Michael Hart's "100 Most Influential People", you would have said that's a lie too, right?. I was going to post that and I will soon.

I posted article about atheist who embraced islam, you called it propaganda. We refuted many of ifea's posts, you called it 'taqqiyah-lies". So what exactly you people want to believe?. Yet you believe nonsense she posted without cross checking with scholars of islam...their opinion on it. Instead you told me she lectures me on my religion. You silently and quietly follow her. And at the same time telling me not to 'trash' Christianity. Dont even think for a second that i am stupid.

Now you said many things she copied/posted from those White guys' websites are true. I hail thee with your hypocrisy. You all can say whatever. Whether Bernard Shaw praised Islam is still none of your business. There are many non-muslims who praised Islam.

Someone just opened a thread on christian section about verse of Qur'an written at the entrance of one of the famous universities in US. You gonna say that'a propaganda as well?. Listen, these are just few of the signs of Islam's claims to truth. It's all around us.

Tell me when did you and others including ifea herself ever for once agreed with many of our refutations against you folks?. I say zero. That's called bigotry. You love to defend and justify barbaric incidents in your Bible but when we tried to defend ours you freaking people said we lied. So if we can not talk, what is it to talk about that you folks will believe?

Here again is the quote attributed to Bernard Shaw

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

Why am i lying if the quote is all over the net?. It's my handiwork or you think i forged it?. It's everywhere on the internet with less proof which i dont worry myself over nor did i care what Mr. Shaw thought about islam. If he indeed praised Islam, it's only complimentary. It doesnt reduce or add anything to our prophet's status. Our prophet's status is raised in the Quran itself. Anything else is either bogus, fallacy or ulterior motives.

Do you even know that in Michael Hart's 100 most influential people, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) that you worship or revere so much ranked 4th. He ranked Apostle Paul 2nd most influential. He ranked prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) #1. Christian theologians asked him why he ranked Jesus below Paul?, he said because Jesus did not write any Book in the Bible but Paul not only did he write Books in the Bible but created Christianity in the name of Jesus.

This Mr. Hart's statement is very correct. So if i'd posted this before now, you would tell me it's propaganda, lies, taqqiya, right?. You people have given taqqiyah a new definition. There are millions of Muslims who dont even know what taqqiyah is, never heard of it yet you accused us of it. Shaking my head for you. Grow up

malvisguy212:
explained what? According to you,Moses mother believe in Allah which mean she was a muslim,if Moses say "he was the first muslim according to the quran" this mean Moses lied infacte Moses is a Jew same thing goes to Abraham ,doesent this mean Moses lied for saying he is the first muslim?

Dont even think for a second that I'm gonna go back n fourth with you on this. Go over again, this time read slowly and between the lines. I respect you when you brought your good observation but if you can't read btw the lines, dont quote me. Thanks

AllNaijaBlogger:
Have you seen me arguing on the Islam section? Have you seen me insulting your prophet?


If you have an issue with Ifeann, take it up with her. While I do not agree with her incendiary approach, there are few things she says that are right. I don't always agree with her, especially when she copies and pastes.


You, on the other hand, have been caught lying about your religion numerous times. You are also a copy and paster.

Please think we'll before you categorise me as an islamophobe.

You not gonna change. I'd rather let you be cuz if i talk much, you go vex me. That i have been caught lying about Islam and yet you have no idea what Christianity is needless to say Islam is demeaning. That you dont always agree with her is fallacy. You did contrary when you said she's lecturing us about our religion. No, i dont think you are islamophobe. I think you are a lazy man. Goodluck pal

joseph1832:
So you're the chick he's been speaking of!. I don't have any recollection about reading your posts about Islam.

Empire, you should know that yourself and this Ifean character are one and the same. You're both militants who waste no time in shoving your religious opinions down people throat!!!.

humn, I don't force my religion on anyone. As you can possibly see, my profile has no anti any religion. I only talk like this when it comes to bigots like her cuz she has no respect.

If a Christian wants to debate fairly I won't insult at all. That will be scholarly discussion which I pleaded but she just wanted to insult our prophet based on articles she's coping and pasting from online. And I'm surprised you missed her postings. It's alright though I have nothing against you or anyone except bigots.

malvisguy212:
your explanation is soo wrong,what you supposed to explained is the belief of Moses mother.

if every child is born a muslim, it mean Moses is not the first muslim,am busy now, I will attend to this very post later.

okay, let's hear your possible explanation

AllNaijaBlogger:
I am referring to myself, Joseph, pastor kun etc

Some of their points are salient but you just dismiss them as islamophobic

I thought you have good references. I will only excuse Joseph for now for obvious reason but you and pastor?. No way.

The two of you know too well what you doing. Now I'm going to ask you openly: Do you not see anything wrong with ifea sticking her nose in our religion, calling our prophet names, adamant to correction with regards to her nonsense posts.....just because she found materials that justify her bigotry?. Answer that^.

I can't excuse you and kun because you adopted her stylish propaganda.