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So why is your lengthy answer solely based on opinion?

Please how do these quranic verses you cited above answer my simple answer of who the first muslim is for God's sake
The quran refers to so many individuals as 'first', so isnt there any other Quranic verse that clearly highlights who is the 'overall' first?

Unfortunately, the two verses above quoted by you even contradict each other sef.
Maybe you need to call them Rilwane & co. on this one oooo, lol

So are you insinuating now that according to Quran, the earth was created in 4 days by God?

Remember though that my question was simply: How many days was the Heavens & earth created by God according to your Quran? (so kindly answer this clearly pls )

Yea, I agree with you that unlike your quran(that has lots of contradictory verses ), the Holy Bible message is clear & unambigous on the number of days God created the heavens & earth
Everyone can clearly see that from the Bible verse you quoted above

And i can see how you'v suddenly moved from the issue of contradictions to blasphemy right?
Thank God we are heading somewhere then

Well in response to your assumption, the Bible never said anything about God 'sleeping'; rather, we are told God RESTED on the '7th day' after creation. Remember falsifying Biblical facts wont do your argument any good.

So are you insinuating now that according to Quran, the earth was created in 4 days by God?

Note that the word 'rest' doesnt necessarily mean or translate to 'sleep'.
The term 'rest' as used in the Bible, simply signifies 'a moment of refreshing ease or inactivity after labour' or betterstill, 'a period or interval of inactivity, solitude, or tranquillity'. Thus, there's nothing blasphemous about saying God rested bro.
It only shows an end to God's creation work.

It is greatly preposterous to think that God Almighty sleeps.
David himself confirmed thus:

Lol, I dont remember asking Dr. Zakir Naik any question. But i'm happy he came to your rescue, though my question hasnt still been answered.

limamintruth:
why are there many numerical contradictions in the Quran?
We know that God cannot make an error in doing simple calculations. So the question is:

[size=3pt]"How many days did it take to create the Heavens and Earth?"
(Quran-7:54): Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days (Quran-10:3): Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days (Quran- 11:7): He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran-25:59: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
While we can see that the above verses clearly state that God (Allah) created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days; the verses below stated differently thus -
(Quran-41:9): Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
(Quran- 41:10): He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
(Quran-41:12): So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …[/size]
Now kindly do the math then:
2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days;
How then did the quran arrive at its 6days in some of its verses?

Four, Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.

[size=5pt]Lols
Refuted by what? How can you refute basic human science facts with 'nothing'?
Or are these your million muslims super-humans Even an absolute illiterate wont spew such baseless exaggeration.
So simply admit you have nothing relevant to say on this ish & stop claiming what does not exist.[/size]

Once again, this is it (believing you'l profer a better answer to the question this time around):Who Was the First Muslim according to the Quran? Kindly cite relevant quranic verse(s) to support your answer.
Note though: According to several passages in the Quran, Muhammad was the first Muslim:
[size=3pt]Say: Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed?Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender [aslama] (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters. S. 6:14 Pickthall
Say, verily my Lord hath directed me into a right way, a true religion, the sect of Abraham the orthodox; and he was no idolater. Say, verily my prayers, and my worship, and my life, and my death are dedicated unto God, the Lord of all creatures: He hath no companion.This have I been commanded:I am the first Moslem(Wa 'Ana 'Awwalu Al-Muslimin). S. 6:161-163 Sale
He hath no associate. This am I commanded,and I am the first of the Muslims. S. 6:163 Rodwell
Say (O Muhammad): Lo! I am commanded to worship Allah, making religion pure for Him (only).And I am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims(surrender unto Him). S. 39:11-12 Pickthall [/size]

* However, the Quran also mentions other ancient Prophets of old as first muslim, thereby contradicting itself.

[size=5pt]Therefore, the Quran mentions that Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., who all lived a long time before Muhammad, as first believers also:
E.G,
Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."… And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37 e.t.c.

No problem man, take your time & do every research possible on that cos i aint in a rush.[/size]

Ifeann:
Where is the hypocrisy??

Dude, the problem with the world is Islam not English. Stop throwing red herrings.

AllNaijaBlogger:
It is fair enough

AllNaijaBlogger:
So you are still here arguing?

[quote author=limamintruth post=31848431]Hahahaha, this is what i call sweet nonsense (sorry to say)

Your argument cannot hold water bro., cos just as you ignorantly argued that no where in your quran was the term 'ever' used in addressing Moses as first believer, so also nowhere did the quran refer to Adam as the first 'ever' believer. Furthermore in line with your myopic explanation, nowhere was it stated that either Moses or Muhammed are first believers 'only amongst their generation/people'. Meaning, the way the quran refer to Adam as first believer is the same way Moses et al were also addressed (without specifics to 'amongst their people' as you desperately tried to include. So you can very well now see that your argument is completely flawed Simply admit you have no answer to my question rather than assuming what is not stated in quran, lol

And hope you know that the human brain is not immune from memory distortion during recall?
Thus, the reconstructive process of memory recall is subject to distortion by other cognitive functions in the Human Brain. This is basic human science (& I guess this was what your Caliph Uthman had to contend with during his reign )

So i'l appreciate if you provide us with a more appropriate answer to my previous question cos your explanation as i highlighted above doesnt just make any sense

why are there many numerical contradictions in the Quran?

"How many days did it take to create the Heavens and Earth?"
(Quran-7:54): Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days (Quran-10:3): Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days (Quran- 11:7): He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran-25:59: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
While we can see that the above verses clearly state that God (Allah) created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days; the verses below stated differently thus -
(Quran-41:9): Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
(Quran- 41:10): He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…
(Quran-41:12): So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now kindly do the math then:
2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days;
How then did the quran arrive at its 6days in some of its verses?

Ifeann:
Mob action happens everywhere even the so called land of the free..
Mob action is vile and must be discouraged and I am glad for once u called a spade a spade..

However mob action has valid and reasonable causes eg.. failed justice system, poor or non existence protection from security officers, a frustrated crime riddled community etc.. this has led to vigilante mob actions on ; rapists in India, suspected suicide bombers in your country nigeria, etc

But here we have a mob action on a mentally ill woman because she burned an evil hate filled quran by devout muslims. That my friend is disgusting and incomprehensible. ..

BetaThings:
I can see that you are in your quest for knowledge.

Empire the only two persons on nairaland u are smarter than(judging from ur posts) are tar.tar9 and mro.lai.

Wealthyone:
@ empire , come check this out.

Ifeann:
Stay away from the mosques CHURCHES, and that vile wicked quran BIBLE.

Nocrap:
Follow the paths of who? Everyone can see where following muhammad's path has led us to. But it baffles me that muslims could not see and still say he is the perfect role model. This na strong one(brainwashing) o

AlBaqir:
[size=3pt]The Sheik was able to mention two examples viz: "Knowledge of the Unseen and Power of Intercession" On Shafa'a (intercession) and ilm Ghayb (knowledge of the unseen), Allah says in one of many verses of the holy Qur'an:"...To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills..."
{Ayat al-Qur'siyy} [size=3pt]The onus lies with this Sheik (or any other who shares the same tales) to provide reliable evidence where the Imams of the Shi'ah, from the 1st Imam, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) to the last Imam Imam, al-Mahdi (as),[/size] EVER claimed that "their knowledge whether of the unseen (Ghayb) or others" is independent?!

The knowledge and the intercession of the Imam is of what "Allah permitted and wills".
Qur'an encompass ALL kNOWLEDGE as Allah says in the holy Qur'an that NOTHING is left unmentioned in it.

spyder880:
Enugu is a complex topography, sometimes water is so deep that it will take a thousand feet of hard rock drilling to get at water in substantial volumes. And you will be drilling through hard stones, shale and coal. I know places like independence layout where the super rich live, billionaires, almost all the compounds there, no boreholes because those that tried before failed. I am talking about guys that have up to N10 million to sink into a borehole.

The only part of Enugu where water is available at around 600ft is Ninth mile corner, and that's why all the tankers load water from there.

But this location has pipe borne water running at sometimes. The government is still working to provide water for everyone.

spyder880:
No single borehole is here, we might not get any substantial volume of water from a borehole in Enugu urban even if we spend N3m on it. Only a well is in this compound. This is why every flat should have a tank so they can arrange for their water from water tankers when they need to. Making a general water arrangement here is a disaster waiting to happen. You go separate fight tire