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Islam › Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree: 4:44am On Apr 06, 2015
19. Abu Hurraira narrated that the Messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said: The five daily prayers, and from one Jummah to the next, are an expiation for whatever sins come in between, so long as one does not commit any major sin. (Muslim, 233)

20. It was narrated from Abu Hurraira that the Prophet (Pbuh) said: Whoever does Ghusl then comes to Jummah, and prays as much as Allah decrees for him, then listens attentively until the khutbah is over, then prays with him (the imam), will be forgiven for (his sins) between that and the next Jummah and three more days. (Muslim, 857)

Al-Nawawi (Ra) said:

The scholars said that what is meant by his being forgiven between the two Jummah and three more days is that a good deed is worth ten like it, so he will be rewarded with ten rewards for each of the good deeds that he did on Friday. Some of our companions said: What is meant by what is between the two Jummah is from Jummah prayer and the khutbah until the same time on the following Friday, so that it will be seven days, no more and no less, then three days are added making ten in all.


21. Coming early to Jummah brings a great reward.

Abu Hurraira (Ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said: “Whoever does Ghusl on Friday like Ghusl for janaabah, then goes to the prayer (in the first hour, i.e., early), it is as if he sacrificed a camel. Whoever goes in the second hour, it is as if he sacrificed a cow; whoever goes in the third hour, it is as if he sacrificed a horned ram; whoever goes in the fourth hour, it is as if he sacrificed a hen; and whoever goes in the fifth hour it is as if he offered an egg. When the imam comes out, the angels come to listen to the khutbah.”
(Bukhari, 814 and Muslim, 850)


22. If a person walks to Jummah prayer, for every step he will have the reward of fasting and praying qiyaam for one year.

It was narrated from Aws ibn Aws al-Thaqafi that the Messenger of Allah (Pbuh) said: Whoever does Ghusl on Friday and causes (his wife) to do Ghusl, and sets out early, and comes close to the imam and listens and keeps quiet, for every step he takes he will have the reward of fasting and praying qiyaam for one year.” (al-Tirmidhi, 496)

Ibn al-Qayyim (Ra) said in Zaad al-Maâ’aad, 1/285:

Finally after quoting the hadith which speak of the virtues of Jummah prayer:

What we have quoted, when taken all together, indicates that the expiation of sins from one Friday to the next is subject to all the conditions mentioned above being met, namely doing Ghusl, cleaning oneself, putting on perfume, wearing one's best clothes, walking in a calm and dignified manner, not stepping over people, not pushing between two people, not offending others, praying nafil prayers, listening attentively and avoiding idle speech.

May Allah give us the ability to act upon all of these virtuous deeds and Sunnah of Rasulallah (Pbuh). Ameen
Islam › Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree:
These are not necessarily part of your request. I just wanted to post them. But read if you can and pay attention to 20 and 21 Thanks

1. Jummah preparations should begin on Thursday such as clipping the nails, removing of the hair etc (Ihya aul-Uloom, vol. 1, page 161)

2. To have a bath (Ghusl) (Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)

On one Friday, Rasulallah said: "O Muslims! Allah Ta'ala has made this day a day of Eid. So have a bath on this day, whoever has perfume should apply it, and use the Miswaak.“ (Ibn Majah)

3. To use Miswaak (Ibid)

4. To use Attar (Perfume) (Ibid)

5. To wear nice clothes (Abu Dawood, Chapter of Ghusl on the day of Jummah)

6. To proceed early as possible to the Masjid for Jummah

Rasulallah (Pbuh) said: "On the day of Jummah, the angels stand at the entrance of that Masjid in which Jummah salaat is to be offered. They write down the name of the person who enters the Masjid first, and thereafter the name of the person who follows, and they continue doing this. The person who entered first will receive the reward of sacrificing a camel in the path of Allah; the one who followed him will get the reward of sacrificing a cow, thereafter a chicken, thereafter the reward of giving an egg as charity in the path of Allah.
Once the khutbah commences, the angels close the register and begin listening to the khutbah. “
(Bukhari and Muslim)

7. To walk to the Masjid if possible for every step is a reward of a years Nafl Fast (Tirmidhi)

8. One should listen very attentively to the khutba even if one does not understand. One should not speak or even warn another to keep quite while the khutba is in progress.

9. To try to sit as close as possible to the Imaam. (Ibn Majah, Tirmidhi)

10. If the Saffs (rows) are already filled, one should not jump over the shoulders of the musallies in order to get to the front. (Abu Dawood)

11. One should not fiddle with clothes or fingers but listen attentively (Ibn Majah)

12. When Rasulallah (Pbuh) name is mentioned in the khutba then it is permissible to recite durood in the heart only without the movement of the lips or tongue.

13. Between the two khutba’s one should make dua. It is permissible to make dua without raising hands or moving the lips (I.e. dua should be made in the heart only without the movement of the lips or the tongue) (Aadaab -E - Zindagee)

14. To read: Surah Al A’ala (Sura no 87) in the first rakaat of Jummah Salah and Surah Gaathia (Surah no 88) in the second rakaat. (Bukhari)

15. Related by Hakim and Bayhaqi, from Abu Sa`id “Whoever recites Surat al-Kahf on Friday, light shall shine forth for him between the two Fridays.” (Ibn Hajar, Talkhis al- Habir)

16. Rasulallah (Pbuh) is reported to have said, “Recite Durood upon me in abundance on the day of Jummah since they are presented to me.” (Ibn Majah)

17. Making abundant dua on Jummah

Rasulallah (Pbuh) said: "There is such an hour on Friday that if any Muslim makes dua in it, his dua will definitely be accepted.” (Bukhari, Muslim)

18. Reciting Durood 80 times after Asr:

According to a Hadith recorded in Tabarani on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Abbas (RA) : Abu Hurraira (RA) reports that the Holy Prophet (Pbuh) said:
“Whoever recites the following Durood eighty times immediately after Asr Salaat on Friday, before standing up from his place, Allah will forgive eighty years of sins and grant him the reward equivalent to eighty years of worship.”


Allahumma salli alaa muhammadinin nabiyyil ummiyyi wa-ala aalihi wasallim tasleema

O Allah bless Muhammad, the unlettered Prophet, and his family and grant them best of peace. (Jame Sagheer)
Islam › Re: Is It Proper to Greet Others or Count Prayer Beads During Khutbah? by Empiree:
Walexz02:
Assalamualakum
Please i intend to ask whether it is good or not to greet pple(shaking hands) while the imam is already recitng Friday huthbad
2. Is it appropriate to b reciting Quran whil jumaat service in in progress??
3. I have seen it times with out number many imams who are supposed to be assumed learnd counting their rosary while the imam is reciting uthba,please is it proper.
Assalamualakum.
The Virtues and Sunnah's of Jummah

Hadhrat Ali Ibn Abu Taalib (RA) narrated: on the pulpit in the mosque of Kufah: When Friday comes, the devils go to the markets with their flags, and involve people in their needsand prevent them from the Friday prayer. The angels come early in the morning, sit at the door of the mosque, and record that so-and-so came at the first hour, and so-and-so came at the second hour until the imam comes out (for preaching). When a man sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), where he remains silent and does not interrupt, he will receive a double reward. If he stays away, sits in a place where he cannot listen (to the sermon), silent, and does not interrupt, he will receive the reward only once. If he sits in a place where he can listen (to the sermon) and look (at the imam), and he does not remain silent, he will have the burden of it. If anyone says to his companion sitting besides him to be silent (while the imam is preaching), he is guilty of idle talk. Anyone who interrupts (during the sermon) will receive nothing (no reward) on that Friday. Then he (the narrator) says in the end of this tradition: I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say so. (Abu Dawood 1046)

In the narration above, there is nothing to suggest that silently doing dhkr (with tesuba/rosary) is unlawful. What we don't do is talking as speculated above. Shaking hands and or making gesture to fellow Muslim who may greet you, i think it's better to just shake head in acknowledgement. But I rarely see muslims greet while khutba is on. Just come in and take your sit or stand up for the two rakat and remain silent until after jumah is over.

The above hadith is common knowledge. You dont talk during khutba. You do more listening than talking. Period

Hope it helps.
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 6:56pm On Apr 05, 2015
Anomnity:
No surprise.Its the last resort of you and your crew when your cover is blown.Shame to your murderous religion.
Mister, kindly address op. Dont worry about empree. I am the least to worry about right now. You have a choice to make. You are a christian I supposed. And at the same time 100% pro-israel.

Op is sayiing Israel is persecuting yout fellow christians. That's very important issue to tackle. Leave Islam and Muslims out.

Danke
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 5:50pm On Apr 05, 2015
Anomnity:
I support Israel 100%.So you murderous blood thirsty bigots what will you do now.
Israel has no problem with Palestinian christians.They have problems with the droves of muslims that will pretend to be christians and infiltrate the ranks of the palestinian Christians to penetrate Israel to wreak havoc on innocent people as their religion always instructs them.I would do the same thing to guard my country if I were Israel.

All the blood thirsty terrorist bigots that will quote me, may your terrorist bombs blow you and your accomplies to pieces as you hunt innocent people.
Obviously, you are one of those babies blood suckers, blood sucking demons. You have no shame.
Fashion › Re: Effective Home Remedies For Hair Growth: by Empiree: 5:43pm On Apr 05, 2015
Oh didnt know this is a registered and established natural hair growth company. I just came across your blog and website?.

But a little disappointed though. Why not place price and full descriptions on each category. The pictures are just like image without much information.

Or maybe you need to send me your direct website. Thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 2:59pm On Apr 05, 2015
Rilwayne001:
shocked shocked

Never read about those Jesuses before oo.
It's funny how christian clerics, Bishops, popes and other hide this from their people. I first learned this from "ACADIP" in 2013 and decided to research on it. Ever wonder they never mentioned Barabar's first name (Jesus). I believe Barabar is the same Barnabas of a Gospel.

Question christians need to answer is whch Jesus is their saviour from the list?.

The article writtern by the christian makes it easy for me. I was preparing to put together a thread on it. I guess this is sufficient. So definitely there are more than one Jesus in the Bible.
Islam › Re: • The Three Questions??? by Empiree:
usermane:
All the verses the OP presented so far may allude to the success and height of Muhammad but they do not in any allude to your claim of his superiority over all messengers.

Carefully read this Hadith;




Give up in the face of truth. There is no proof in Islam for superiority of Muhammad above other messengers.
Let's just leave it. No muslim go around shouting Muhammad(SAW) is better than other prophets. Neither is there any texual evidence to suggest he's. I already gave my response on a thread (now deleted). The reason some muslims think so is his because of his works and achievements. Put together his miraj's encounter with other prophets and intercession on the Day of Deen. I know you dont believe all that.

Still we dont because of that give credence to his superiority status. We dont go about he's better than them nor we expect him to give that much credit for himself. This makes us different from the people of the Book.
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 1:10pm On Apr 05, 2015
@allnaijablogger, your least worry should be me. Read responses from your fellow Christians..... just proved my point.
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 5:08am On Apr 05, 2015
kay1one:
[s]Obviously Israel has better human rights freedoms than that found in most islamic countries. The authenticity of the op is questionable because I know personally people who have visited the holy land during easter without restrictions.
Either way I believe the jewish state should be more ethical in their quest for statehood because even their boss Jesus wasn't killing Himself over their statehood actualisation but over their repentance.[/s]
Christianity Etc › Re: Radical Muslims Kill Over 100 Muslims At Mosques In Sanaa, ..what Else Is New? by Empiree: 4:43am On Apr 05, 2015
9jaforlife:
Don't mind him! Some of them don't have a shred of history, even those that happened merely two years ago. Yet they want to lecture the world about everything!
Silly them
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 4:42am On Apr 05, 2015
kay1one:
Me I don't dodge questions. Even if I support Israel it will be in the battle against hamas. Like I said the jewish state is in judaism which is a prelude to Christianity some jews haven't left because of their addiction to "works of the flesh" to save them. I believe in the saving grace of Jesus and that means I have to love even my enemies. Islam has done more harm to modern society than the jewish quest for a homeland.
You aren't addressing the op.
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 4:39am On Apr 05, 2015
King David

Jesus is said to be the son of god and the messiah because he’s a descendant of King David, because the messiah will be a descendent of King David. John 7:41 “Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee? John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?”

So Matthew was written to show that Jesus is a descendant of King David. Matthew 1:1 “the book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham”

But in Luke, Jesus implies he’s not descendant of King David, Luke 20:41 “And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son? 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?”

I think that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin. Jesus is not a descendant of King David and therefore can’t be the messiah.


John the Baptist

Here’s another contradiction that show that Jesus is not the messiah. John the Baptist baptizes Jesus and witnesses miraculous phenomena that show him that Jesus is the son of God. John 1:32 “And John bore record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it stayed on him. 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said to me, On whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost. 1:34 And I saw, and bore record that this is the Son of God”.

But, later after he had been imprisoned, and heard about the miraculous things Jesus was doing. John sends his disciples to ask Jesus, is he the one to come or do they look for another: Matthew 11:2 “Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 11:3 And said to him, Are you he that should come, or do we look for another?”

John baptizes Jesus, recognizes him as the Messiah, but now has to send his disciples, to ask if Jesus is the one to come, or do should they look for another? Something’s fishy in Boston, and it ain’t the fish. I’ll leave that one for you to ponder.


Jesus can’t do great works in his hometown

Another point,

Jesus can’t do great works in his hometown

If Jesus is the messiah and God in the flesh, why did people’s belief, have anything to do with his ability, to heal them or to do great works?

Mark 6:3 “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 6:4 But Jesus, said to them, a prophet is not without honor, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk, and healed them. 6:6 And he marveled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.” If he’s God why couldn’t he do any great works in his supposed home town?


His name shall be Emmanuel

The writer of Matthew tries to show that Jesus is the son of God or the Messiah by quoting a prophecy of the prophet Isaiah in the Old Testament:

Matthew 1:20 “But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, you son of David, fear not to take to you Mary your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took to him his wife: 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS”.

Now many of us may have read this story or heard about it, and think that this proves, that Jesus is the son of God or the Messiah. Bu, Isaiah’s prophecy says the child’s name shall be “Emmanuel” “God with us”. But Joseph named his child “Jesus”. If Isaiah’s prophecy was about Joseph’s child, it didn’t come true because, Joseph named his child “Jesus” not “Emmanuel”. The angel of the Lord telling Joseph in a dream to name his son Jesus, contradicts what was said in Isaiah’s prophecy. So how can Isaiah’s prophecy be referring to Jesus?


The Original Messiah

The original Messiah was Joshua the son of Nun, the successor of Moses, who actually led the children of Israel into the Promised Land of Canaan. This makes Moses the forerunner of the Messiah. The fathers of early Roman Christian Orthodox Church adopted this pattern and applied to John the Baptist and Jesus, to legitimize their new religious cult, associating it with a more established religious tradition with a long textual history.

After that somewhat circuitous journey through our subject. Let's end by answer our starting question

Is There One Jesus In The Bible or More Than One?

Yes there is more than one Jesus in the Bible. Here's a reminder of who some of them are

1) Jesus Barabbas the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ.

2) Joshua the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor (Acts 7:45, Hebrews 4:cool.

3) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Luke 3:29).

4) Jesus surnamed Justus, a Jewish Christian, an associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Colossians 4:11). (Strong's Bible Lexicon)

5.Jesus "the Son of Sirach" ) the author of the Apocryphal book of Ecclesiasticus, who lived in the 3rd century BCE.(Dictionary.com)

Should we turn a “deaf” ear and a “blind” eye to obvious contradictions in our religious beliefs, without doing some sustained research, into the history of what we’ve been taught to believe, without question, about our religious beliefs?

No we shouldn't.

May the Light never cease to lighten your Minds!
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 4:38am On Apr 05, 2015
There Are Many Jesuses In The Bible That Christians Dont Even Know About

Is There More Than One Jesus In The Bible? This was actually written by a christian

i let me say up front, that this hub is not written to upset, anger, or step on anyone's cherished beliefs, who may take these stories as literally true. I'm just pointing out something that may be beneficial to their understanding of these stories, if they're open to it. And if they're not open to it...that's fine too.

I don't take these stories as literally true

Now that, that's out of the way, let's get started.

It may seem like an odd question to ask “is there more than one Jesus in the bible?” Especially since we’ve been taught that Jesus is unique and that his name is the only name we can be saved by. So let’s take a little walk through the biblical woods and see if we can separate the woods from the trees.

The Origin Of The Name Jesus

First, let’s take a look at the derivation of Jesus’ name. The English name, Jesus, is a translation or transliteration of the Latin name Iesus. Iesus is a translation of the Greek name, Iesous (pronounced I ee sus). Iesous is a transliteration of the Hebrew name Yeshua or Yehoshua, or in English Joshua

You can find this information on your own; just do an internet search on the origin of the name Jesus.

With this short lesson, I think it’s easy to see that Jesus’ name in English should be Joshua, I think that even a “blind man” could see that.

Now here’s the interesting question. Jesus’ real name is Yehoshua, so how can we only be saved by the name Jesus, since that’s not Jesus’ real name? Shouldn't the only name we can be saved by be, Yehoshua, his real name?

If we wanted to substitute a name for Jesus’ real name, wouldn't Joshua be the logical choice and make more sense, since that his name in English? Joshua would be closer to Jesus’ real name but that’s still not his real name.

So why did Christian scholars translate Yehoshua’s name as Jesus, rather than, Joshua as they did the name of Yehoshua the son of Nun, in the Old Testament, when they translated the Bible into English in the seventeenth century AD? ( Joshua is the original Jesus in the bible).

We’ll take a look at that question in a second, but first, let’s take a look at how many people named Jesus are in the bible, other than Jesus.

People named Jesus in the Bible

1) Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ.

2) Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor (Ac. 7:45, Hebrew. 4:cool.

3) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Luke. 3:29).

4) Jesus surnamed, Justus, a Jewish Christian, associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Colossians. 4:11.) (Strong’s Bible Lexicon)

5.Jesus "the Son of Sirach" ) the author of the Apocryphal book of Ecclesiasticus, who lived in the 3rd century BCE.(Dictionary.com)

Have you ever heard of these people? I hadn’t until I did this research the results of which I’m sharing with you now.

Jesus Barabbas

We’ve all heard the story of how following Jesus’ arrest, the people were asked choose which one of two prisoners they would like to set free, Jesus or Barabbas, and that they chose to set Barabbas free.But what you probably didn’t is that, Barabbas’s first name was….Jesus! Isn’t that amazing! You have to prisoners with same name! But it’s even more amazing then that.

This is the meaning Barabbas: “Barabbas i.e., son of a father or the father, the notorious robber whom Pilate proposed to condemn to death instead of Jesus, whom he wished to release, in accordance with the Roman custom (John 18:40; Mark 15:7; Luke 23:19). But the Jews were so bent on the death of Jesus that they demanded that Barabbas should be pardoned (Matthew. 27:16-26; Acts 3:14). This Pilate did” (Easton's Bible Dictionary).

So Bar means son and Abba means father Barabbas son of the father. Why did the author of Matthew leave out Barabbas' first name in this story? I think his first name was it left out on purpose.

Jesus was called the “son of the father” and Jesus Barabbas was called the “son of the father” So there were two "Jesus' “sons of the father" on trial that day! So which one was the "real" Jesus?

Obviously the translators of the story, only wanted us to focus on the Jesus, they wanted us to focus on. They didn’t want us to see that there were two “Jesus on trial in that day. So how can we sure which one was the real Jesus? That’s good question to ponder don’t you agree? For more on this issue (See "The Mystery of Barabbas" 1993 Dr. M.D. Magee

Joshua the son of Nun

Let move on and take a look at the original Jesus of bible, Joshua the Son of Nun. Many people may never have been aware of this because, when the Septuagint, the original Greek Old Testament, translated from Hebrew Bible around 3 BC, (300 years before Jesus) Joshua's name is transliterated as Ieous (Jesus).

Here’s what Strong's Bible Lexicon says about Joshua the son of Nun "Joshua = Jehovah is his help, or Jehovah the Savior or God in the flesh. The son of Nun, of the tribe of Ephraim, the successor of Moses as the leader of Israel. He is called Jehoshua in Numbers. 13:16 (A.V.) and Jesus in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews. 4:8 (R.V. Joshua)". "The meaning of Nun = "fish" or "posterity" father of Joshua the successor of Moses".

Isn’t it interesting that the fish was also the symbol of Jesus and the early Christians. So was Joshua the original Hebrew Messiah? I say yes. For a more thorough look at this subject See (“The Cult of Joshua, Christianity Revealed" by Dr. M D Magee

The Septuagint

Way before the New Testament was written; the early Jewish Christians’ bible was “The Septuagint, the Hebrew bible (the Old testament translated into Greek). In this Greek Bible, as was pointed out earlier, Yehoshua, Joshua’s Hebrew name, was transliterated as Iesous. This was the first time, the name that would eventually became, Jesus, became known to the early Greek speaking Christians. When they read the name, Iesous (Jesus), they knew that name was referring to, Joshua the son of Nun not Jesus of Nazareth.

Ahmed Osman in his book, “Out of Egypt the roots of Christianity revealed” states “ The name Jesus appeared for the first time in the Greek translation of the Old Testament made in Alexndria during the 3rd century BC. ‘Jesus’ then indicated the son of Nun, who succeeded Moses as the leader of the Israelites. Jesus is also the name given to Joshua the son of Nun in the works of Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus, both Jewish authors of the 1st century AD.

When the Christian Gospels, which were also written in Greek, spoke of Jesus, it was clear to the reader then that this was the same person as the Israelite leader who succeeded Moses. The confusion only appeared from the 16th century onwards, when the Bible was translated into English. Only then the name ‘Joshua’ was given to the Old Testament character, while ‘Jesus’ was used for his New Testament appearance”. (Out of Egypt, the roots of Christianity revealed, Ahmed Osman, 1998 Random House.)

So I think that pretty much shows us that Joshua the son of nun was the first Jesus in bible.

Keeping with the theme of who was the first or original biblical person, who was the first son of god? Most of us probably think that’s a no brainer. It’s obviously Jesus.


Adam the son of God

But look at what the gospel of Luke says about who the first Son of God was, while giving Jesus’ supposed genealogy: Luke 3:38 "…Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the Son of God". So Adam was the original Son of God, very interesting.

But, in the Old Testament, Adam is depicted as anything but a Son of God. Adam is depicted as a creation of God. But in Luke, Adam is depicted as the original Son of God, thousands of years before Jesus was born! But how can that be, when we read, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul”. Genesis 2:7. So obviously the writer of Luke wanted to make Jesus divine by making him a descendant of Adam the original son of god, even though Genesis states, Adam is a creation of god not a son of god.

There were many sons of god during that time, which is why the early Roman Christians clergy, made Jesus the only begotten Son of God, to make him distinct from and more legitimate than other religions sons of god. But all sons are begotten by their fathers (Begotten is from Beget. “Beget meaning to procreate as the father: Sire: To produce as an effect or outgrowth” (Webster’ Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary)

Sons of God and Angels

Although Adam wasn’t God’s son, genesis does mention that god had sons. "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" .Genesis 6:4

So I think this is proof positive that, contrary to what Christians have been taught to believe…that god had other sons besides Jesus. And the Old Testament doesn’t mention Jesus, as a son of god and he definitely, not the only son of god.

Some Christians think that when genesis refers to sons of god that the sons are really angels. Here’s what angel means. “Angel from the Greek, Angelos, and literally means messenger (Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary) as in "messenger of God", not "son of God" as some of us may have been conditioned or brainwashed, I mean taught to believe.
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 3:57am On Apr 05, 2015
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Paul had very little success in convincing the Jews of Asia Minor and Greece that Jesus was the Jewish messiah so Paul turned his attention to Gentiles (non-Jews) who were attracted to Paul's idea of "eternal life" through accepting Jesus as "lord." Paul believed that Gentiles could become Christians without converting to Judaism with its requirements of circumcision and dietary laws.

In 66 AD, the Jews revolted against the Romans in an effort to liberate the kingdom of Israel. The Christians in Jerusalem saw what was happening and fled east across the Jordan river to Pella and other places.

In 70 AD, the Romans crushed the revolution by destroying Jerusalem and the Jewish temple. Throughout the years, Jerusalem had been the headquarters for the Christians who were closest to Jesus, such as Peter, James, and others. Christians in Jerusalem considered themselves within Judaism. They had serious doubts about Paul and sometimes opposed him.

After the destruction of Jerusalem, the influence of Jewish Christians began to decline. The churches in Asia Minor, Greece, Rome, and other places where Paul had spread his version of the "gospel" took over the leadership of the Christian movement. These churches were mostly in "Hellenized" areas where Greek culture and ideas had flourished since the days of Alexander the Great.

The Christian movement began to establish its identity as a religion separate from its Jewish roots. But the movement carried with it the terminology which Paul used in his interpretation of the significance of Jesus.

Between 70 AD and 100 AD, four unknown writers collected whatever could be found or remembered about the life and teachings of Jesus. These writings became the books known as Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament. It is in the books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke that we come closest to the teachings of Jesus in his parables and discover the "gospel of Jesus" which is very different from the "gospel of Paul."
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 3:53am On Apr 05, 2015
AllNaijaBlogger:
Please, back up your arguments that
+Paul created christianity and
+ Paul's teachings are more relevant than Jesus's
Please, summarize what Paul's teachings are about since you are claiming that he created christianity.
you lied that Paul created christianity.
There is no easy was to summarize this mess creasted by Mr. Paul.

Jesus was not the founder of Christianity as we know it today. Most of the New Testament doesn't even concern the historical Jesus. The Apostle Paul and his followers define what became Christianity.

Paul never met Jesus in the flesh. Influenced by Greek Hellenism and various mystery cults he turned the man Jesus into spiritual deity.Paul (formally Saul) was a hired hit man and enforcer for the Roman appointed-controlled High Priest the traitorous Caiaphas. He was hostile to Judaism and there's no real proof he had any knowledge of it outside the Greek Septuagint.

According to Paul, Jesus' Jewish teachings are not relevant to salvation. While Jesus is regarded by Christians as the founder of the faith. Paul's role in defining Christianity can't be ignored. Roman Catholicism chose Paul over Jesus.

"Paul is regarded as the great interpreter of Jesus' mission, who explained, in a way that Jesus himself never did, how Jesus' life and death fitted into a cosmic scheme of salvation, stretching from the creation of Adam to the end of time."

The doctrines of Christianity come mostly from the teaching or influence of Paul, an alleged Pharisee? who rejected his Pharisaic Judaism.

His worship was that of a "Christ" totally unrelated to the Jewish Messiah, a nationalist (and human) figure that was supposed to free the nation from foreign (Roman) rule. PAUL, ST. (died c. A.D. 68), founder of Pauline Christianity. His name was originally Saul. He later claimed that he was a Jew of the tribe of Benjamin, from a long-established Pharisee family in Tarsus. According to Acts (though not according to Paul himself) he studied in Jerusalem under Gamaliel, the leader of the Pharisees and grandson of Hillel.

Theology of Paul from a Christian Deist

What you usually hear about Jesus today in churches and on TV is an interpretation that comes from the writings of a man named Paul who called himself an "apostle" (messenger) but was not among Jesus' "twelve" disciples who are also called "apostles."

Paul's ideas about Jesus are found in letters which he wrote to churches and which were later included in the book called the "New Testament."


Paul, whose Jewish name was Saul, lived during and after the time of Jesus but Paul never claimed to have seen or heard Jesus except in some kind of mystical "vision" after the time of Jesus. From his "vision" of Jesus, Paul became convinced that Jesus was the Jewish "messiah" ("christos" in Greek) whom Paul believed would become the ruler ("lord"wink of all humanity, not just the "kingdom of Israel."

Paul referred to Jesus by the title of "christos." The word English word "Christ" in the New Testament is a transliteration of the Greek word "christos" (meaning "anointed one"wink which, in turn, is a translation of the Hebrew word "mashiach" (messiah) which also means "anointed one." The title "mashiach" (anointed one) refers to someone who is chosen for a special purpose, such as a king.

Since the New Testament was originally written in Greek, the term "christos" is used as a title for Jesus. Jesus (the) Christ simply means Jesus "the anointed one." Eventually the followers of Jesus became known as "Christians."

What did Paul believe about Jesus, and how did Paul's ideas become dominant in Christian churches?

Although Paul considered Jesus to be God's Son, "in the form of God" (Philippians 2:6)
Paul believed that Jesus was subordinate to God "the Father." Paul wrote,(I Corinthians 8:6).

Paul began preaching that Jesus was the "messiah" (Christos) whom the Jews were expecting but he immediately ran into a problem. The Jews were not expecting their messiah to be crucified. According to the book of Acts, Paul "came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. And Paul went in, as was his custom, and for three weeks he argued with them from the (Hebrew) scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and rise from the dead, and saying, 'This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ" (Acts 17:1-3).

Paul called his message the "gospel of Christ" (Romans 15:19). Paul summarized his "gospel" in his letter to the Christians at Corinth, "Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast -- unless you believed in vain.

Paul's "gospel" can be summarized as follows:

(1) "Christ died for our sins" -- The penalty for sin is death but Jesus is God's divine and sinless Son who died on the cross to pay the death penalty on behalf of humankind.

(2) "He (Jesus) was raised on the third day" -- God raised Jesus from the dead on the third day and gave him authority as "lord" (ruler) over all humankind, and whoever "confesses that Jesus is lord" and "believes that God raised him from the dead" will be saved from sin and death.

Does all of this sound familiar to you? It should because Paul's theology became dominant in the Christian movement. Paul preached for about 30 years after the time of Jesus. He spread his views through his missionary journeys in many countries and he wrote letters to the young churches that he established or visited. His letters were kept and circulated among the early Christians.
Properties › Re: Construction Of A Mansionate Storey Building Of 3bedroom Flat In Ondo State by Empiree: 3:07am On Apr 05, 2015
shinejackie:
Nice work, wont u do german floor on this building or because it is a dry land it can be ignored...... cool
gr8 question. Was about to ask
Properties › Re: Construction Of A Mansionate Storey Building Of 3bedroom Flat In Ondo State by Empiree: 3:04am On Apr 05, 2015
mufutau55:
Wow. Nice dry land...

Hajji M.
Dry land cost less?
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die for Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In by Empiree: 1:44am On Apr 05, 2015
AlBaqir:
In fact, I wonder how you manage to cope with this set of guys. It sucks!
I knew the guy would eventually exposed himself to you. Sucks indeed

9jaforlife:
Wow cheesy This post sound soo christian! Oh! I forgot this is userma.ne, the anti Islam christian agent parading himself as a 'Muslim'
that's him for you. He's truly "maradona". He's here and there with his bogus philosophy. So unstable like dean Ambrose

9jaforlife:
Malvis you're STILL asking this question?? embarassedYou're a character cheesy
Character indeed
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 12:51am On Apr 05, 2015
AllNaijaBlogger:
Are you ok?

Have you seen me supporting isreal?

You have lied against me and many others. Seems you need a ban
Yea, man. I'm okay. I de dingbin.

If only you read my subsequent posts, you would have known that you are exonerated.

Please do read that. thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 11:20pm On Apr 04, 2015
parisbookaddict:
ists.
ifeann alias parisbookaddict....
prefect way to digress. How does this answer op?
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 11:06pm On Apr 04, 2015
ifeness:
When did you see me support Israel? That overrated country. Check my posts and you will see I don't believe in any God or religion.
Exonerated
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 11:00pm On Apr 04, 2015
kay1one:
Have we met?
Anyways. .. murder is a capital offence... something you guys are good at.
Also learn to differentiate between judaism and Christianity. It was still the religious jews that killed Christ. I learned over time to support righteousness not groups.
Spare me the rod. I know how you talk here.

Now you differentiating Christianity from Judaism?. In another minutes I will see you on another thread blaming and bashing Islam for "oppressing" Christians and Jews.

I didn't expect anything better from you.

Leave Islam out of this and address op.
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree:
DProDG:
Before I even read the OP and give my say, I'll love you to quote ANY of my 'bigoted' and/or pro-Israel posts. Then you'll get the attention you desire.
ok, my post was not intended as blanket statement. I wanted to attract actual bigots. No, you aren't one of them. Not even naijablogger. Maccilliot is not my target either. My targets are atleast 3 ppl
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree: 8:45pm On Apr 04, 2015
Where are those bigots Israel supporters. If the headline says " Muslims killed Christians" they Wwould be here. I will call them out. true2God, allnaijablogger, malvisguy212, unbiased, papist, kay1one, macelliot, dprodg, ifeness.

Defend Arab Christians and Israel at the same time.
Christianity Etc › Re: Palestinians Warn Israel Over Easter Restrictions by Empiree:
Let's call ifeann to defend Arab Christians since she's Christian as well. And the same time defend her friend, Israel.

@vex, lots of Zionists are here a lot
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:28pm On Apr 04, 2015
Nailed it. I was rushing to work yesterday when i read on yahoo quickly that "Sheik Suadis" of the Grand Masjid called out for "all out war" against Shia. I was sad when i read the first paragraph. But it's good to verify info before holding it as truth. I thought to myself that I can't believe he would say that. Then I started reading comments and someone posted a youtube link that it was not Sheik Sudais of Saudi. It's was another top cleric from one of those ME countries. I think Oman. Not sure...calling all out war against fellow muslims. These folks are sick in the head
AlBaqir:
Not only Israel even Saudi is not left out in blocking Iran Nuclear development. It is not that Saudi fears being bombed by "Nuclear power Iran", but they want to avoid Iran's regional superpower within the Middle East. And of course, this is been triggered by Sunni-Shia brouhaha.

However, a non-Nuclear power Iran is far ahead of Saudi in all ramification of modern technology. Thanks to workaholic home-grown Iranian scientist; and thanks to Saudi's lazy citizen who have been pampered with petro-dollars. Saudi depends largely on foreigners to work for them.
Christianity Etc › Re: Qu'ranites, Qu'ranists (hadith Rejecters) by Empiree(op):
usermane:
so, weren't there enough papers for Muhammad to record his explanations separately in Book format before his death, as he recorded the Qur'an?
Interesting...lol. First, this ayah answers your question Al-Araf:157. Second, isn't that what they recorded separately known as hadith/sunnah?. Usermane is getting interesting
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:51pm On Apr 04, 2015
It is obvious now that Israel wants no peace despite Ubuma's effort to avoid loggerhead. No doubt, Natay and Ubamo are no friends. Israel just want to drop nuke on iran. That's all. The freaking nation has been lying about Iran nuke for about 30yrs now with no concrete evidence. Yet she has some 300 nukes but gives no room to be critisized.

Let's fold arms see what's Natay intends to do in the coming months.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die for Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In by Empiree:
Ifeann:
He wont read it.. find his imam and let his imam spoon feed him with it..this one only obeys his imam
No. You simply digress the op. Smart move. I have noticed you. When it comes to exploiting christianity, you take your leave. You know you are bogus. You only want to critisize Islam. You have no knowledge. You just trying to fit in. Pope is not here. Op is not addressing the pope.

Same thing you said when a muslim post video or link, you critisized it. This clearly shows you have no idea what christianity is all about. So rilwayne have no biz with pope. Obviously papist, you and others are clueless.

Like rilwayne rightly said before, once you admit defeat, the rest runing behind your skirt are finished. It is like cutting off head...the body is useless.

By th way, how well did you carry your god yesterday?. Did you have fun carrying your god that was nailed on the cross?.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die for Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In by Empiree:
malvisguy212:
who do you think you are chatting with? Little boy?
1. Is the Arab pagan doing tawaf between safa and marwa? Yes
2.did the quran admits it was a pagan ritual? Yes.
3.did muhammed retained the practice? Yes.
This is not logic, this is simple as sterted in the quran.
Malvis, pls dont expose your weak side to albaqir. Dont let him know you are robotic. This topic you brought was explained to you on another threads...remember I posted detailed explanation. You shut up afterward. I can't remember the thread but probably back in february. Me and 9jaforlife dealt with you on it yet you still brought it up. It will be a shame if baqir also come to same conclusion the way me and others did about you.

Remember, me, rilwayne001, lagoshia, tala9ja, 9jaforlife said the same thing about you?. Do you want baqir to come to that conclusion as well?. Please think. Thanks

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