Ken4Christ:


Please, quote your references to buttress your points.

What does it mean to be born again?

Did Jesus resurrected bodily or not?

Why do you believe there is no literal Lake of fire?

explain to me the meaning of "resurrected bodily?"

1. Doctrine of born again - All Christians who are anointed of God. All anointed of God will be joint heirs in the heaven with the Christ
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ - flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God - Jesus has gone back to heaven
3. Doctrine of hell fire - All unrighteous will eventually be destroyed in the lake of fire that burns with fire and sulfur - some take this literally some don't take it literally Please tell me am wrong...

please also sir, you have not answered my own question but I have answered one of yours are we in the end times as prophesied in the bible or not?

unbitchable:
never knew you could sling mud this much.
You couldn't have been dirtier and more ridiculously low especially in your exchanges with kolawole. What a shame!
You threw away the J in Jesu and was transformed into a barefaced demon. Where are your manners?, your attitude of polite restraint?.
Needless to say, beyond the pheripheral, there lies within a tendency of a monster waiting to be unleashed at a given switch.
I'm having a rethink.

note that its always

Salvation102:

102versus101

salvation101:

Born again is a phrase used by many Protestants to describe the phenomenon of gaining faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when everything they have been taught as Christians becomes real, and they develop a direct and personal relationship with God.
Born again - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again

Part 2

Ken4Christ:

1. Doctrine of born again.
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ
3. Doctrine of hell fire
I am waiting. Meanwhile, TB Joshua is not my Pastor and I am not one of his adherent.

1. Doctrine of born again - All Christians who are anointed of God. All anointed of God will be joint heirs in the heaven with the Christ
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ - flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God - Jesus has gone back to heaven
3. Doctrine of hell fire - All unrighteous will eventually be destroyed in the lake of fire that burns with fire and sulfur - some take this literally some don't take it literally Please tell me am wrong...

please also sir, are we in the end times as prophesied in the bible?

achorladey:

What gives
evidence that the Bible’s books are the product of
holy spirit is their content. They all support the
authorship of Jehovah God and are in complete
harmony. The harmony and balance of the 66
canonical books of the Bible testify to their unity and completeness. Thus, you do well to accept
them for what they truthfully are, Jehovah’s Word
of inspired truth, preserved until our day.​—1
Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
How does this relate to religious patronage

Oh a certain @salvation102 believes a certain Church is entitled to to get credit for the bibles canon and are therefore holy ghost directed...and has continued to look for Wikipedia research that supports such patronage of religion....(Just a summary)

achorladey:

Initially I don't seem to get you right the first time. But from your last two post, it seems I do. But that is still not enough to throw insult. I am still following your conversation though.

You said you don't know what Christendom is? Of course no need to throw insults!

PART 1

Ken4Christ:


But Jesus taught about hell in such a way that even idiots can understand what he meant. But you twist his messages to your own destruction. You don't believe he even rose from the dead bodily. If you don't believe an event that already happened with infallible witnesses, how can you believe what you haven't yet seen. If you want us to go on doctrinal issues, I am ready but we will focus on one topic at a time. I will suggest you choose from the following.

1. Doctrine of born again.
2. Doctrine of the bodily resurrection of Christ
3. Doctrine of hell fire

I am waiting. Meanwhile, TB Joshua is not my Pastor and I am not one of his adherent.

Ken for Christ, it is good for u to speak for your pastors and not for other peoples beliefs!

But Jesus taught about hell in such a way that even idiots can understand what he meant. But you twist his messages to your own destruction.

1. You don't believe he even rose from the dead bodily. - according to you

2. If you don't believe an event that already happened with infallible witnesses, how can you believe what you haven't yet seen. - according to you

If you want us to go on doctrinal issues, I am ready but we will focus on one topic at a time. I will suggest you choose from the following. - according to what you think you have advantage in abi?

Is there any other religious movement that has attracted so much patronage on Nairaland.com? I know what some will say and I know how some will react. Testosterone rising....

achorladey:

johnw47:

Salvation102:

Melvyn11:

Meanwhile News from the governing body at https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

Question: "How and when was the canon of the Bible put together?"

Answer: The term “canon” is used to describe the books that are divinely inspired and therefore belong in the Bible. The difficulty in determining the biblical canon is that the Bible does not give us a list of the books that belong in the Bible. Determining the canon was a process conducted first by Jewish rabbis and scholars and later by early Christians. Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of God’s convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.

Compared to the New Testament, there was much less controversy over the canon of the Old Testament. Hebrew believers recognized God’s messengers and accepted their writings as inspired of God. While there was undeniably some debate in regards to the Old Testament canon, by A.D. 250 there was nearly universal agreement on the canon of Hebrew Scripture. The only issue that remained was the Apocrypha, with some debate and discussion continuing today. The vast majority of Hebrew scholars considered the Apocrypha to be good historical and religious documents, but not on the same level as the Hebrew Scriptures.

For the New Testament, the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church. Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized. Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7). Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235). The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in AD 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In AD 363, the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament (along with one book of the Apocrypha) and 26 books of the New Testament (everything but Revelation) were canonical and to be read in the churches. The Council of Hippo (AD 393) and the Council of Carthage (AD 397) also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative.

The councils followed something similar to the following principles to determine whether a New Testament book was truly inspired by the Holy Spirit:
1) Was the author an apostle or have a close connection with an apostle?
2) Is the book being accepted by the body of Christ at large?
3) Did the book contain consistency of doctrine and orthodox teaching?
4) Did the book bear evidence of high moral and spiritual values that would reflect a work of the Holy Spirit?

Again, it is crucial to remember that the church did not determine the canon. No early church council decided on the canon.
It was God, and God alone, who determined which books belonged in the Bible. It was simply a matter of God’s imparting to His followers what He had already decided. The human process of collecting the books of the Bible was flawed, but God, in His sovereignty, and despite our ignorance and stubbornness, brought the early church to the recognition of the books He had inspired.

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This piece above must have been secretly written by the JWs

hence,

The Muratorian Fragment thus confirms that most of the books now found in the Christian Greek Scriptures were already considered canonical in the second century C.E. Of course, the canonicity of the Bible books​—that is, their right to be included in the divine library—​does not depend on their being mentioned in a certain ancient list. What gives evidence that the Bible’s books are the product of holy spirit is their content. They all support the authorship of Jehovah God and are in complete harmony. The harmony and balance of the 66 canonical books of the Bible testify to their unity and completeness. Thus, you do well to accept them for what they truthfully are, Jehovah’s Word of inspired truth, preserved until our day.​—1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

achorladey:

Since you don't know research on it very well. When you know the meaning of Christendom, please feel free to quote me.

OK, but are Pentecostals part of false religion that teaches tithing, (PMBs 40million) purgatory, Limbo and the trinity

...and since you and your bros often lie a lot....(Hillary Clinton will win the election) am not sure to believe that you don't know what is Christendom?

Who coined the word and what does it mean? - Ode

achorladey:

A scholar(writers in the Jws organisation) might decide to use all the sides of the different bible scholars commentary and anyone that agrees with the conservative narratives of Jehovah's witnesses history, all other that disagree with the Jws events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys(Governing body) to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look normal and become a global idea. As it is captured in this picture below.

So now you see how hollow you have always been sounding with your orthodox religious Wikipedia research, and am glad that for once, the blindfolding scales rubbed in by your daddy G.O. fell off your eyes when you realized that your stubborn addiction can be re-serviced on you.

Now you understand that you have been brainwashed by the big-boys of religion without wish your commercially based pastors will just have been altar boys..You now see your education of history is controlled by the big-boys at the top while priests scamper for the crumbs of PMBs 40 Million

Many scholars have since learnt to stay off manipulation...hang in there

Only attitudes such as that of the JWs can scare opium seeking religious Mor0ns and their Russian sympathizers

Riofidelio:
A round of applause for wisdom! This is the first time you've reasoned like a creature made in God's image! Yes oooooooo suchlike men today are those from different backgrounds that formed our own Governing Body. Even though their contemporaries won't notice their virtuous works, generations coming will evaluate all their achievements and glorify God for supporting men with HIS Holy Spirit during the time MORONS like you were busy watching Magic and furiously criticizing their good works!

The Coalition Against Terrorism and Extremism (CATE) has accused Amnesty International (AI) of cooking its report that accused men of the Nigerian Army and the Civilian Joint Task Force of raping and killing women displaced by Boko Haram.

In the report, titled 'They betrayed us' and released on Thursday, the international rights group had accused the military of separating women from their husbands, detaining them and raping them in exchange for sex. AI said it had proof that thousands of people had been starved to death in the Internally Displaced Peosns camps in Borno State, north-east Nigeria, since 2015.

However, responding in a statement on Friday, Mr. Gabriel Onoja, National Coordinator of CATE, said AI’s report was “cooked” with the aim to smear the reputation of the Nigerian Army.

“This allegation against the Nigerian military is unfortunate because the military as an institution is one that prides itself on the strict discipline and character moulding of its men from the day they enlist to when they leave,” Onoja said.

“We have absolute confidence in the conduct of our military, particularly those deployed on special operations, and find it strange to come to terms with the current realities that Amnesty International has become another Army Against our troops. It is public knowledge that no institution is responsive to reports of bad behaviour, misconduct and other forms of indiscipline like the military.

“That is why within any military setting, you will find the full complement of ensuring compliance with rules and regulations and for punishing acts of wrong doing like the appointment of provosts, RSMs, the building of guard rooms and the setting aside of tasking drills for punishment to erring men and officers.”

He noted that Amnesty International have done some good works in the world in the past but its current intervention in Nigeria since the war against insurgency intensified “leaves much to be desired especially at a time when the terrorists have been virtually defeated”.

“Who does Amnesty International protect? Who pays Amnesty International to execute these heinous briefs against our military? Onoja asked.


http://saharareporters.com/2018/05/25/group-says-amnesty-%E2%80%98cooked%E2%80%99-report-about-rape-women-soldiers

Melvyn11:
Jehovah witness are the most self centered and selfish Christian group in the world.

yes and The bible asserts that illness is caused by the devil and other evil spirits when science has proven that illness are caused by viruses, bacteria and lifestyle choices

Source: https://www.nairaland.com/4525250/information-science-proven-incorrectly-covered

salvation101:
ur a liar like ur founder. I said am a pentecostal, when did d pentecostal move even start dat i would claim my church founded the bible. U see dat being a jw and having common sense is diametrically opposite

B. who den takes the credit? -

1. To God be the Glory

2. To Jesus be the Glory

3. To the anointed brethren of the first century- well done

4. To the ancient dedicated congregations scattered in different parts of the world - well done

You said you are a Pentecostal:
1. All doctrines copied and refined from the orthodox church
2. lies to say holy spirit told us this, holy spirit told us that
3. quickly tuns to Wikipedia as the independent source of information to attack JW
4. uses wiki information that is influenced by the religious encyclopedia and silent apologist scholars of religion but hypocritically denies it
5. Did not watch the video link at




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnI4eoSvwo .....but pretends to have watched it





A disgruntled man and a L I A R

salvation101:
who den takes the credit?the Holy Spirit shey? If the Holy spirit was still using men as at 400AD den it has rubbished ur doctrine dat he stopped after the last apostle.. QED.

HioHioHioHioHIoHIoHIo



A. Dummy Doll - the Holy spirit is still using men as at 120AD, 400AD, 600AD, 830AD, 1145AD, 1900AD, 1914AD, 1925AD 1935AD, 1975AD, 2018AD an den has it not rubbished ur doctrine dat your church is the compiler of the Bible ?


As if your church is the one chosen to determine the canon-of-the-bible - Ode

B. who den takes the credit? -

1. To God be the Glory

2. To Jesus be the Glory

3. To the anointed brethren of the first century- well done

4. To the ancient dedicated congregations scattered in different parts of the world - well done

...and please are you reading apostate sites again, when you said "doctrine dat he stopped after the last apostle"? be care of those guys oooo, their brainwashing and tongue twisting is great ooooo, but its a valid choice of yours...

achorladey:

You don't even know which side am on and you are applying your judgmental approach to things already. Go back to my post. Read and read well, it's a balanced approach.

Well I can assure you having taught for 9.5years - Articles of the Greek orthodox Church that if you ask a knowledgeable Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a demented Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a catholic you'll hear their own side and If you ask a protestant you'll hear their own side!
A scholar might decide to use all the sides of the different churches and anyone that disagrees with the conservative narratives of church history, events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look normal and become a global idea

achorladey:

Are Jws part of christendom? That does not require wasting organisation resources. A simple yes/no will do.

Are Pentecostals part of false religion that teaches tithing, (40million) purgatory, Limbo and the trinity...and how can I trust that That does not require wasting organisation resources Mmmmhhh, you and your bros often lie a lot....I don't know


oh please what is Christendom? Who coinrd the word and what does it mean?

achorladey:

Am all eyes and hears...... La han mi

Do not dodge. How far can even a genuine antivirus go with a virus in a computer network without wasting much valuable organizations resources?
...and "Did Jesus words breeds sect in ANY Bible account?"

achorladey:

Did Jesus words breeds sect in that Bible account?
I know the Jws are no part of the sect we are talking about. Hahahahaha hahaha. Are you part of christendom? Let's see hw far you can go.

How far can even a genuine antivirus go with a virus in a computer network without wasting much valuable organizations resources?
But the question is "Did Jesus words breeds sect in ANY Bible account?"

achorladey:

Make I use garage language....... "Ogbeni jade tan"

yea you got it, garage language for the garage doctrine by the facto Ogbeni jade tan

achorladey:
Feel free to give us the names of their leaders.

Oh, so your pastors of Pentecost don't know....

actually their may be or they may not...But if you ask a knowledgeable Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a demented Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a catholic you'll hear their own side and If you ask a protestant you'll hear their own side!
A scholar might decide to use all the sides of the different churches and anyone that disagrees with the conservative narratives of church history, events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look n beormal and global....."Theology of orthodox doctrines 420" undecided

johnw47:
non believers = atheists, satanists, antichrist false jw, etc.

johnw47:


forever fearful enim kook koo, not replying to the subject
but running away from it, and running away at the mouth, funny

At least you agree. Forever sickly John always making up stories and answering them on his own...welcome

johnw47:


duh, it's already known that a big mouth is all you have

why are you angry?

johnw47:


a picture paints a thousand words, and with you they are all the same word:

fool, etc. etc. etc.

why are you angry?

salvation101:
who is talking about any church here?u dont reason beyond denominationalism? Ur foljs claimed christians of dat generation were apostate nd dat is why am asking if u regard thosr who compiled d canon u r using today as apostates too

no Church, or human individual should take credit or should claim dey determined d canon ooo.

achorladey:

THE TRUTH clearly and plainly stated is in the Bible verse above the magazine Galatians 3:26. THE L I E S whom enimooko sees as the truth not clearly and plainly stated in the bible is in the main theme of the magazine. What is your take on this?
This also applies to every other religious denominations that place faith and pray in the name of their G.Os and their institutions. You need help!!!!! Read.... Matthew 11:26-30.

L I E S. You mean now Jesus has approved the sects...MMhhmmm. You need help oooooo!!!!! Please Read.... Matthew 11:26-30 and when reading this time around don't be defensive oooo. Please reason and avoid blind and hateful dogmatism...

achorladey:

THIS WILL ALSO COME HANDY


Although the kingship had ceased, the official structure of the priesthood of Israel still operated in Jesus’ day, its priests still functioning as filling the office of God’s appointed representatives. Joined with them were the Jewish elders who helped compose the highest judicial court of the nation. How did this circumstance affect the course of God’s Son, Christ Jesus? He followed a course and spoke in a way that brought upon him the disapproval and opposition of that authority structure and its most responsible members, including the very high priest himself. In reality, it was what might justly be called “the governing body” of the national organization, the chief priest and members of the Sanhedrin, that judged him adversely. And it was to that “governing body” that the apostles later declared, “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” Acts5:29 The stand they took and the principle they voiced remain valid today. They are in direct conflict with the view of “going along” with an organization simply because it claims to speak for God.

Why do you keep towing the line of the .....

achorladey:

I really appreciate your time so far. I am convinced that if you have the time go back and reflect on all of this conversations we've had. Do your research a bit on the concept "organisation" and see how far you can go. I am leaving you with this though......
The only actual example we have of an “organization,” in the sense in which the term is used in Watch Tower literature, is with the establishment of the nation of Israel. Whatever comparison may be made with the Christian congregation, it is clear that Christianity marked a notable break with the past, that God’s dealings with his servants were placed on a new footing through Christ, in an eminently superior and distinctive way. The shadows have given way to the reality. To try to establish the relationship of Christians to God and Christ on the basis of analogies with the Israelite national framework is no more proper than to equate Christ’s sacrifice and what it accomplishes with the animal sacrifices made back then. The difference is far, far greater than the similarity.

Seven congregations known to some apostles either has leadership or it dosen't. Maybe persecution and hard times made the leadership go to hiding or not is a matter for another debate.

But if you ask a knowledgeable Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a demented Pentecostal you'll hear their own side! If you ask a catholic you'll hear their own side and If you ask a protestant you'll hear their own side!
A scholar might decide to use all the sides of the different churches and anyone that disagrees with the conservative narratives of church history, events, and theology is usually attacked, derided and ridiculed. There is enough state apparatus for the big boys to control historical narratives and make brainwashing look normal and global....."Theology of orthodox doctrines 420"

Salvation102:
and some of ur folks are beating their chest dat miracle ended after d last apostle.. Dey really need to see dis

Ode X 2

achorladey:

Please read carefully!!!!!!
WHAT CONSTITUTE SACRED SERVICE

If we read the account that follows those words, as well as all the rest of the Christian Scriptures, we will find that Christianity is not presented as either a system-oriented or building-oriented way of life and worship; nor is it defined by creeds or law codes. Neither is it centered upon specific activities viewed as specially and distinctly devotional and religious and therefore as having superior merit before God over other activities not so viewed. It is a way of life that embraces all of life and all of life’s activities. In reading the words of God’s Son and the writings of his apostles we find that it is not a matter of belonging to some religious system, practicing certain religious acts at certain times and certain places, but what we are as persons in our daily life that shows whether we are his followers or not. Only because this is true could his apostle say, “Whatever you are doing, whether you speak or act, do everything in the name of [as representative of, Living Bible] the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.” He could even say to those then slaves, “Whatever you are doing, put your whole heart into it, as if you were doing it for the Lord and not for men, knowing that there is a Master who will give you your heritage as a reward for your service.”

Too much dogma kicked 1Peter out