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[quote author=ODI_BABA link=topic=463112.msg6223011#msg6223011 date=1276667720]What is the sense of Igbo man joining Nigeria army? Isn’t it the same army that despoiled our mothers and defiled our sisters? Bombed our sick and hungry children including the elderly that where hidden in churches and hospitals in the name of collateral damage. Igbo should boycott Nigeria army and form its own secret army and be ready for continuation of the ongoing war.[/quote]Gone are the days that Igbo have the stomach to fight. I have learned that bitter truth. We have been castrated! Well our parents generation has been castrated. The ones who survived the war or were born right after it.

Our generation does not really know what to do, but we do not like what is happening in Nigeria currently.

Ruq:
Was with as this silly comparison of China-a country with over a billion people to Nigeria with just 150m people. And you guys call your self economist?? Take 5 guys.

We are using the size scale of China to the rest of Asia with Nigeria to the rest of Africa. It is not hard to see the comparison.

Many economist on the continent and in the diaspora have been interested in implementing the Chinese model to development. Now please do not be so daft to understand and keep up with us learned minds.

9jaganja:
Wow ezechue your last post was really ignorant. Cause we have a bad model of democracy doesn't mean we should keep destroying it. And no cheap labour will only save investors while enslaving Nigerians. You ain't economically liberal. No tariff and no regulation is not liberal in any sense at all. Dude please really if others who knows nothing about world economy agrees with you, those who knows will frown at your last post. China has stakes in England too infact China has stakes all over the world. It's not just that England has stakes in China it's business buddy. Your world war story has nothing to do with what we are saying. That's rather irrelevant. Seriously I will rather not school you and let you figure things out. Cheap labour to save Nigerian economy? You seriously are calling for an uprising indirectly. China has the worst model of economy you can point out. Chinese citizens can't afford their own products. Is that what you want for Nigeria? No wonder we went through slavery when we have people thinking like you. Cheap labour is slavery and one of the reasons for slavery is cheap labour. You are not liberal in any way, you are evil at worst. Evil either sub consciously or just plain evil. Bring the factories into Nigeria now and see whether any Nigerian will want to work in a chemical plant that has substances that causes cancer, without health insurance and for a price they can hardly get by on. You are evil and greedy seriously!!!!

I am realistic. What model would you propose Nigeria to follow? We cannot follow the Western model, because it took hundreds of years for these nations to get where they are. In addition, these countries were built off of the exploitation of other nations. So that model would not be useful for African nations. I prefer the Chinese Model, but there are other Asian models that can be used. Look at the Asian Tigers of South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. These nations were able to develop, especially South Korea which was a backwards nation, but now it is expanding and it is very developed.

We must open up our economy to foreign investors. That is the only way Nigeria will ever become self sufficient. We already import manufactured goods from China and other Asian nations. We need to build up our own manufacturing base by opening up our markets. However, I support tariffs on food imports and the Nigerian government should subsidize our farmers. Any sane nation will protect their own farmers. But that is another story.

No one said that it would be easy, but this is not a quick fix. Rome was not built in a day. The Chinese model is a wonderful illustration of a nation that was an agrarian society but now it is becoming industrialized. Of course the nation has its problems, but it is in the right direction.

FYI, China will continue to rise so you better recognize them. Nigeria has tried the Western model and used those horrible structural adjustment programs and it time we used another alternative. The Eastern model.

Chai!

I thought Abia State was bad!

I'll take kidnapping over assassination. You don't have to lose your life.

Nchara:
Bluetooth,

The day you say something good about the Igbo, heaven will literally fall on such a day. When Yoruba complain of June 12 it is good, but when Igbo complain of what is important to them, NOISOME irritants like you poke their noses where they do not belong.

They love to whine about June 12th those Yorubas.

World Cup 2010: Gabriel Heinze's Argentina Strike Should Have Been Disallowed - FIFA
Referee's committee criticise Wolfgang Stark's decision not to give a foul for Walter Samuel's obstruction in the build-up to the goal.

By Daniel Edwards

Argentina missed several gilt-edged chances on their way to a 1-0 reverse of Nigeria on Saturday. However, according to FIFA the one attack that did finish with the net bulging should have been disallowed by referee Wolfgang Stark.

Ole reports that a FIFA post-match analysis ruled that there was a foul in the build-up to Gabriel Heinze's stunning header, and that Stark should never have allowed the goal.

The FIFA referees' committee released their findings on Tuesday, as a guide for future judgements in this year's tournament. And amongst other rulings, they made it clear to referees that they must watch for infractions at corners and free-kicks - specifically attacking players blocking markers, as happened on Saturday.

As Juan Sebastian Veron's cross floated over Walter, Samuel enveloped Chinedu Obasi and stopped him from moving, thereby giving Heinze all the space he needed to propel the ball home. Stark should have therefore penalised Samuel for obstruction and awarded a free-kick to the Super Eagles - a judgement that could have changed the course of the whole game for Argentina.

Although the ruling comes too late for Nigeria, it has interesting implications for the rest of the tournament; a sign that FIFA will not tolerate the pushing, shoving and holding commonplace on both sides at dead-ball situations, and that in future such offences will be punished with either disallowed goals or penalties in the case of the defence committing an infraction.

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Gbam

I am predicting a draw as well.

I want to see North Korea win. It would be an amazing upset!

Good choice.

Much respect to D'banj but the movie producers want a blockbuster.

C. Ronaldo likes to whine a lot.

I never knew the guy was Muslim either. You learn something new everyday.

I actually feel that Igbo soldiers should never be placed in the North. They should either be placed in the East or the West.

ChinenyeN:
EzeUche, join the rest of us Ngwa/Ukwa/Asa who have always been fed up.

Trust me when I say the rest of the state is upset is fed up. I wish these kidnappers and robbers would target these thieving politicians in Abia State instead of businessmen.

tpiah,

You buffoon, isn't it clear to you what is happening to the military? I hate people who still deny the truth even when it is staring at them in the face. If you don't know already, then you will never know.

A fool today will be a fool tomorrow. Beaf and Co has clearly provided you with evidence and you still don't believe. There is nothing I can say to help you.

Daft individual who has the nerve to call others daft. 

ChinenyeN:
Reunite With Imo; Do I detect a change of heart coming from the Old Bende division?

Maybe, I am just fed up with the lack of development in Abia State.

Driving from Umuahia to Aba can be quite treacherous with all those police checkpoints and those huge potholes. It is a disgrace.

Abia State is a mess. I have come to the conclusion that PPA is the main culprit. Lack of development means businesses are not being attracted to come to the state.

In Arochukwu, people can go without power for TWO WEEKS! We dey suffer o!

That is why my family has always supported PDP when it comes to state politics.

Beaf you are very right!

Tpiah, you are speaking a lot of rubbish.

Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. Why ban it? Some men find visiting a pro$titute each night easier than finding a wife.

The perform a skill that some women do not like doing so why ban them? They are necessary to any society.

Maybe Abia State should be unified with Imo State again. The state is not needed and we can see that is not working.

9jaganja:
Wow people will say anything to sound intelligent even if it makes them sound dumb.


Back to you Ezechue before I sleep. You said military to keep the mass in check? You mean disgrace our democracy? If the people revolt then they don't want it and if they don't want it then is shouldn't be done. All the myth of China being an agrarian society before the opened to the west is all lies. China was doing well if they were so bad why weren't the brits able to conquer? They even rented out Hong Kong to the Brits. Cheap labour attracts bad investment. Though protectionism is bad, opening up your market to without measures that both encourages you foreign investors and strengthens your local investors is worst. Foreign investors comes with big cash and invest more in market share than local investors what happens the local industry starts to fold up and boom your market is controlled by foreign investors. Ask Jamaica what happened to their once great economy. Ezechue cheap labour is bad, investing in a place cause of cheap labour is not human at all. I don't know but our economical philosophies differ so let's close that chapter. I believe in economic strength for all the citizens of a nation. A company willing to invest in a nation under my kind of economic philosophy must be willing to pay regulatory labour price. In china many are exposed to deadly chemical for labour of 30cents/hr. Under cheap labour there will be no health insurance coverage. In case of an accident, the worker goes off unpaid. That's China for you.

Merge your soul with your philosophy that way if you are evil well then your philosophy will be evil if you are good, your philosophy will adjust to the nature of your soul. Think with your brain and soul together at once and you will never do wrong.

9jaganja,

I am being very serious right now and what I have said is true. Nigeria needs to follow the Chinese model. That is the only way we can break through this link of neocolonialism.

And you say Nigeria practices democracy? Do not be so naive, what we have in this country is no democracy. It is not fit to be called a democracy. Do not mock democracy by labeling Nigeria as a democratic state. Pure rubbish!

Learn history first. China was carved up by the Europeans and Japan in which they had different spheres of influence. Germany, Japan, France and the British had a stake in China. And remember that during WWII, China was almost completely conquered by the Japanese. Due to its vast size, China had to be carved up.

My economic philosophy is different from yours. I am an economic liberal in which I believe in only free markets. No need for tariffs and trade regulations cause it is bad for business. Our labor will be Nigeria's salvation.

9jaganja:
You really are a capitalist minded dude. "A large population full of poor illiterates"? Is that what you want for Nigeria? That poor population full of illiterates will cause civil war and other societal illness that will make Nigeria so unstable, investors will run. What kind of mind do you have?

Ezechue don't post again please!!!! If cheap labour is what will bring industries to Nigeria then they can kiss Nigeria goodbye if I'm president. Cheap labour include harsh working conditions you know? how cheap can that labour be when most of what we buy in Nigeria are imported? If the manufacturer wants to sell into nigerian market which has the so called cheap labour then it must realize the profit will be low because he must be willing to sell the priducts at rate affordable to the people he pays less. Do you think China has an economy of it's own? Chinese economy depends on how much the rest of the world can buy. Chinese citizens can't afford what they manufacture. Is that what you want for Nigeria? Okay, I'll just be miserable for a while and go to bed after that. Goodnight Ezechue.

Hear me out, cheap labor attracts investment. China was once an agrarian society, until it opened up to the West after U.S. President Nixon went to China to open up China for business. U.S companies and other West companies flocked to China to invest in their manufacturing capabilities, consumer market, and source of cheap labor. The same can be done to Nigeria if the right people are put in place.

The masses can be kept in check when you have a strong military apparatus which Nigeria doesn't have at this moment since there is a low level insurgency that is continuing to tack its toll in the Niger Delta.

Don't you see China is becoming wealthier and now they control most of the the United States debt? Now they have true power of the U.S. by doing what I just stated. And their middle class is growing exponentially. That is what I want for Nigeria. That is the end goal.

About time!

So it takes the BP oil spill that is happening in the Gulf of Mexico to finally open up the eyes of Nigerian politicians that environmental degradation is a huge problem in the Niger Delta?

Wonders never amaze me. So cleaning up oil spills is en vogue now? Naija politicians are daft!

9jaganja:
Ever growing consumer population you mean? Under AU other African companies have easy access to Nigerian markets so If say Botswana is selling rice to Nigerians and other products that our consumer population needs, who has more economic strength? Our population is only good as consumers and the only reason the world think we are important is because of our consumer market which is ever growing. You call that good? Wait till Garri is 1000 naira a cup

I forgot to add that a large population full of poor illiterates will be a source of cheap labor. As China and India's middle class grow, they will need places where they can get goods for cheaper. Nigeria is still a very cheap place for labor so soon, manufacturing may come to Africa and Nigeria in particular due to the fact that these Asian nations are becoming wealthier.

Nigeria is like the China of Africa while South Africa on the other hand is more like the United States.

9jaganja:
@paddylo

leave your sentiment behind your fingers before typing. Namibia is taking development seriously, Botswana is doing same, many other African nations are and they will surpass Nigeria in economic strenght if we don't act right. Leave your sentiments of wanting Nigeria to be the first to reach a higher stand out of this. Any nation can be there anytime. peace

How will they surpass Nigeria? Even though I am no fan of Nigeria, our ever-growing population will always be important on the continent as consumers for resources.

Population means everything. Just look at China and India, or even Indonesia. If you have a nation has a large population, of course they will get a lot attention.

Let oil be found in Northern Nigeria Amen!

paddy lo is right about how other West African economies are controlled by the Lebanese.

Go to Ghana and most of the major companies in Ghana are owned by the Lebanese.

Ghana is actually a nice place to live. If you have money. I spent two years in Accra and I must say that the city is nice and clean compared to other cities I have been to in West Africa.

ChinenyeN:
I do know of one person who will be running for Abia governorship who hates what OUK has been, and still is doing. If I were to speak honestly though, I think OUK's hand will continue to be in Abia. I doubt if anyone can grab the gov. office from the hands of the OUK, legitimately.

This leads me to believe that there is only one course of action that can, and needs to be taken, regarding OUK.

And what is that course of action, because I know the people of Arochukwu are getting fed up with this marginalization at the hands of OUK.

It is a damn disgrace in the lack of development in our state.