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montelik: Carrick already plays the DM position for United, so it makes no sense to bring in another one. What we need is an energetic mobile, tactically sound central midfield partner for Carrick.

Besides we would have to pay the "English tax" on Fellaini, who could wind up costing almost the same as a Fabregas.

Every top team in Europe has two good defensive midfielders coupled with the fact that Carrick is not getting younger. He is going to be 32 this month.

coogar: christ - even if you were born brain-dead, some things are not hard to discern. your table said rvp had 26% forward passes to rooney's 22% forward passes and you still stupïdly claim rooney has more forward passes??

it's no longer an insult to say you are demented, it's a fact!!!! the only tool who thinks 22% is more than 26%.

I wonder o. I have also pointed it out to him. RVP was the one tracking back to the midfield more and doing Rooney's job as a midfielder more.

A-40:
How many times do you remember seeing Iniesta look so helpless on the pitch? Who is Fellaini? No be only Fellaini na Fela Anikulapo Kuti! No one rates him outside Everton never mind England

You would struggle to name 2 DM's better than Martinez in all of Europe

It is because Fellaini he's playing for Everton that he is being underrated. For what i saw Fellaini played last season, i believe he is better than Martinez. I will search for their statistics later.

elampiro: [b]He doesn't have more forward passes. I will try and get the start tonight or tomorrow. He can never have more forward passes. What you saw was percentage%.

correct passes Rooney and RVP.

Rooney has 1026 accurate passes: passing accuarcy is 83%
Rooney: 21 % backward passes, 21% forward passes, 22% passes left, 36% passes right = 100 PERCENT 1026 accurate passes.

RVP 820 accurate passes: 80% passing accuracy.
RVP: 24% backward passes, 26 % forward passes, 28 percent left passes, 22% to his right= 100% 820 accurate passes.

1. RVP passes more backward.

2. From the table it is now clear Rooney has more forward passes.

3. There is no figure you want to get that the analysis or the table presented earlier wont give you. If RVP is only 80% accurate, then look for 100% of his 820 accurate passes and you will get his total number of passes. Same with Wayne. Also you can break it down to total number of passes to back, front and sides based on the provided percentage. I am rushing, so see you guys at night.

For example, RVP has a total of 1025 passes of which 820 were successful. From the successful passes, 24%, 26%, 28% and 22% were passes to back, front, left and right respectively. Break it down, he had 205 passes forward while Rooney had 215 passes forward.[/b]

This is for the past five seasons in EPL. See for yourdelf

A-40:
Fellaini better than Martinez?? Loool go and ask Iniesta about Martinez the Spanish Effenberg! Bros football is not by afro

He is better than him. Is it by playing against Iniesta that you'll know who is better? Has Fellaini played against Iniesta for you to now use that to compare the two? Don't get you.

coogar: i sincerely hope we don't get him. we should get fellaini, sell rooney and buy bale!

I hope he doesn't get him too. I prefer we buy Fellaini. There will be no competition for him in the market and he is a much improved player that we need in our defensive midfield.

Moreso, he is a box-to-box player.

Mr_TA: Maybe it's me adjusting my standards but I really think he would work very well with Carrick in a 4-3-2-1 formation.

You are right. I also believe he'll work very well with Carrick. They will both be able to protect the defenders.

elampiro: [b]
1. I cannot get those figures now may be at night. Internet shouldn't take so much of ones time.

2. You said RVP did better in 2011/12. What about those years Rooney did better. He has far more better years than RVP. So why isolate a single year for comparison.

3. Now you mean Rooney was used in the whole of last season as a midfielder? Then why are we even arguing at all? A midfielder scored 12 goals and assisted 10 times, what a statistics!!!

4. If Rooney played as a midfielder throughout, how come Carrick had over 30 games, Cleverly and Scholes over 20 each? Giggs, Flecthcer and Jones also played their briefly. Rooney played behind RVP in some matches, he played from the left in some, he played behind RVP and Kagawa/Chicha/Welbeck in some. He went to defensive midfield in a very few games. It is hard to have so many accurate passes in the attacking midfield role in which Rooney was mostly played.

5. RVP as a striker was meant to make a direct forward pass every time. It didnt mean he retracted to the midfield. It meant he gets the ball he couldn't shoot, then he passes to Chicharito or Welbeck running into the box. He may have done some of them in the midfield though. If you can get the 4-4-2 opta chart Coogar used to post here you will undertsnad well how they played in every game.

6. Rooney was always a regular whenever he didnt had an injury. The only time he was sat out was against Madrid and towards the end of the season when SAF was a bit angry that Rooney appears unsettled.

It was more of a quarrelling time for both men. [/b]

I will isolate that year for two reasons:
1. Because that was the year RVP played without any major injury.
2. Because RVP did not play as a striker in many of the past years he has been in England.
3. It was in that season that they both played as a striker with full a full season.

Rooney have played as Man Utd main striker for so long without winning the top goalscorer award which RVP have done twice now.

He played some games from the attacking midfield, Some from the centre forward and some from the right.

An attacking midfielder is supposed to have more passes and this should increase his accurate passes if he is not losing possession anyhow. A good midfielder should have more accurate passes because if he doesn't then he will be making wrong passes.

If RVP doesn't fall back into the midfield, why will he have more forward passes? Midfielders should be making more forward passes than a main striker.

SAF wasn't angry with Rooney because he was unsettled but because he lacked match fitness.

coogar: if he starts in 38 league games, hernandez would score 38 league goals. the 2011/12 you were talking about is pure drivel. how many penalties did rooney score that season in the league to boost his stats....

nani gets brought down in the penalty, rooney takes the penalty and then scores and you are shouting he scored 27 league goals, why won't he? give hernandez the same role of taking penalties and he would surely be scoring 40 league goals per season easily!

I concur

chrisley024: Fellaini is not good as a CM or DM. Doesn't know how 2 tackle or pick good pass. Plays better when pushed forward. Not good enof 4 MU

He has improved on these last season. His ball tackling have improved.

elampiro: The number of successful forward passes were taken from the number of successful overall passes. The figures are there.

But now you have agreed that one player played a lead role while another played behind or even midfield. My question is when people knew this was the case, why did they ever use goals to measure Rooney as compared to RVP? If you use other match parameters as in assist, etc, Rooney did better. So everyone to his own role.

I am talking of number of passes generally whether successful or not.

elampiro: 1. So now you guys have agreed that RVP is 'majorly' a lead striker while Rooney was 'marjorly' an offensive midfield player? Then whoever wah he or she who dared to compared their goal scoring? When I said Rooney scored from the deep they said no. RVP was a '9' while Rooney was a drop-in striker and even midfielder in many games. You can not use goals to quantify Amokachie's performance in game while comparing with Yekini.


Yes because Rooney was wrongly judged in many argument. We never get to see statistics which favour him on this tyhread because he has some sworn enermies here. What we have is a situation where anything favours him, it is edited by the poster or not brought froward at all.

Many people were arguing he loses possession too much and RVP had better possession. This stat showed that he is much more involved in our game than RVP and Chicharito. Everyone has his role as assigned by the coach. Imagine he having to track back to help our poor midfield. Then those who sat lazingly in the box just to consume what other worked for like Hyena are praised instead of the lion which hunted.

You have forgotten to look at the fact that RVP played far more games.

1. This is the analysis. RVP''s 26% of his pass froward amounted to 205 successful forward pass all season from 35 league start or 3,123 minutes of action.

2. Rooney's 21% amounted to 215 forward passes all season from only 22 league starts or 2026 minutes of football.

3. The successful horizontal or side-arrow forward passes to players like Valencia and young, Rooney did magnificiently well far above RVP. Mostly passes to his right.

What happened in 2011/2012 season when they were both main strikers for their respective clubs? That proved to us that RVP is better than Rooney.

Rooney have never reached 30 premier league goals in a season while RVP have done that. Don't forget that RVP did this as a converted striker.

Last season, he wasn't tracking back to help anybody in the midfield because he himself was used as a midfielder and not as a striker. He is only doing the job assigned to him.

Yes he did lost possession anyhow and that was why SAF wasn't using him regularly even in the midfield. I thought you read what one of Man Utd's former coaches said about his attitude to training.


You need to bring out the number of total passes made by both to put it in proper perspective and you also have to know that one made those passes as a midfielder who will see more of the ball while the other made his as a striker. So there is a difference.

The statistics showed that it was RVP who did mor of tracking back considering his percentage forward passes. Rooney who saw more of the passes as a midfielder had less percentage of forward passes compared to RVP's.

elampiro: 1. So now you guys have agreed that RVP is 'majorly' a lead striker while Rooney was 'marjorly' an offensive midfield player? Then whoever wah he or she who dared to compared their goal scoring? When I said Rooney scored from the deep they said no. RVP was a '9' while Rooney was a drop-in striker and even midfielder in many games. You can not use goals to quantify Amokachie's performance in game while comparing with Yekini.

What happened in 2011/2012 season when they were both main strikers for their respective clubs? That proved to us that RVP is better than Rooney.

Rooney have never reached 30 premier league goals in a season while RVP have done that. Don't forget that RVP did this as a converted striker.



Yes because Rooney was wrongly judged in many argument. We never get to see statistics which favour him on this tyhread because he has some sworn enermies here. What we have is a situation where anything favours him, it is edited by the poster or not brought froward at all.

Many people were arguing he loses possession too much and RVP had better possession. This stat showed that he is much more involved in our game than RVP and Chicharito. Everyone has his role as assigned by the coach. Imagine he having to track back to help our poor midfield. Then those who sat lazingly in the box just to consume what other worked for like Hyena are praised instead of the lion which hunted.

Last season, he wasn't tracking back to help anybody in the midfield because he himself was used as a midfielder and not as a striker. He is only doing the job assigned to him.

Yes he did lost possession anyhow and that was why SAF wasn't using him regularly even in the midfield.



You have forgotten to look at the fact that RVP played far more games.

1. This is the analysis. RVP''s 26% of his pass froward amounted to 205 successful forward pass all season from 35 league start or 3,123 minutes of action.

2. Rooney's 21% amounted to 215 forward passes all season from only 22 league starts or 2026 minutes of football.

3. The successful horizontal or side-arrow forward passes to players like Valencia and young, Rooney did magnificiently well far above RVP. Mostly passes to his right.

You need to bring out the number of total passes made by both to put it in proper perspective and you also have to know that one made those passes as a midfielder who will see more of the ball while the other made his as a striker. So there is a difference.

The statistics showed that it was RVP who did mor of tracking back considering his percentage forward passes. Rooney who saw more of the passes as a midfielder had less percentage of forward passes compared to RVP's.

montelik: If Fabregas is not available, which players should we be looking at. Seeing as it is likely we will be signing only one midfielder, it will have to be someone of obvious quality (i.e Kondogbia, Mendy, Cabaye e.t.c won't be good enough).

As it stands, i will prefer us going for Fellaini. He has improved his game a lot considering his performances during last season.

His buyout clause okay compared to how much Bayern bought Javi Martinez from Bilbao last season and he is better than Jarvi Martinez. He is a box-to-box midfielder. He is the type of battler we need in that midfield.

If we go for him, he will be willing to play for Utd with David Moyes's influence. He is the only one we can get now for David Moyes to prove himself come next season.

elampiro: Now you are talking. A developing player is different from an established player when the going gets tough. No one is doubting or contesting what he has done, but he has done such mostly as Super Sub. How much can he play well against teams like City, Barca and Madrid. He is developing but he has not attained that maturity yet. But don't forget too he is not a teenager at all.

Chicharito's development was stunted because of the team he found himself. If he had half of the playing time Rooney has in Man Utd, he would have surpassed all these your talk of what Rooney have achieved,

If he had found himself playing for Arsenal? Do you think they will be putting him on the bench?

elampiro: MANCHESTER UNITED 2012/13 PLAYER'S STATISTICS.

1. Look at Wayne Rooney's number of passes from attacking role in just 22 league start (2020 minutes).
1026 successful passes with 215 of them forward passes.

2. RVP 35 league starts (3123 minutes)
With only 791 successful passes and 205 forward passes.

If we consider that Rooney and Welbeck track back to help cover for midfielders and defenders and drive the ball for yards before passing it, then we will appreciate the amount of work Rooney does for the team. He is our bull, and a creative one.

As I said earlier, it is not only goals that make a player great. Maradonna was not an in and out scorer, not even the highest scorer in his team. Amokachie too. Those who know football, those who are directly invoved and those who are authority of the game know where they placed their vlues. Also, history books are permanent.

I can now see the reason why you always have problems with statistics. You are comparing the pass statistics of a person that played majorly as a main striker with that of a person that played majorly in the midfield. If you expect the forward pass of RVP who played as our main striker to be more than that of Rooney who played as a midfielder to be more then you are wrong. A main striker's successful/forward pass is not supposed to be high unless you want him to be passing to the opposition goalkeeper. Every player in the midfield will always have more successful/forward passes than him because they are working for him from the midfield as the arrow head.

I don't know why you are attaching so much importance to the work Rooney does in the team as if other players do nothing other than running around.

You need to bring out from how many passes throughout the season did Rooney and RVP made the 1026 and 791 successful passes.

Also from what you have posted, you will see that RVP made more forward passes as a striker more than Rooney did because the percentage of forward passes made by Rooney and RVP was 26% by RVP to Rooney's 21%. You can now see that Rooney was no doing his job well as a midfielder last season. Despite having more passes, he has less forward passes to RVP. What does that tell you? This make us know that RVP didn't stay in the front all out. He still came into the midfield to help the team in moving the ball forward.

Where is now "Rooney's much talked about "back to help cover for midfielders and defenders and drive the ball for yards before passing it"?

elampiro: It is not all lies that kill or hurt.

Keeping quiet doesn't mean you will not give an official statement in the future to clarify position. Keeping quiet can mean you want to be careful, or you feel it is a none issue because in the first place, you never made a statement that caused the confusion.

When your integrity is at stake?

elampiro: That major role can only be define by Moyes. It is subject to interpretation.

So if you go for GCE and you were asked to write the meaning of Major Role in the context of DM's statement, you will write "That major role can only be define by Moyes. It is subject to interpretation". Surely you are are not disappointing that you are Wayne Rooney Fan.

elampiro: Sometimes it is good to be silent. Silence is a virtue, it is golden.

Even me I apply it in many situations and it helps me.

Ronaldo shouting that he is not happy in Madrid what has it done for him, when he could have just told the management only.

Has Ronaldo been dropped from Madrid team because of that?

So if you are in a court of law and somebody is lying against you, you will keep quiet when you are asked questions in order to defend yourself because Silence is a virtue, it is golden. Give me a break!

elampiro: You have forgotten where this argument started from. You can take three pages back and recollect. I said Moyes should have been silent instead of making that statement which the media capitalised. I said if he had told RVP in private this hulabaloo should not have been in the first place. But you attacked me that he only stated the obvious based on Rooney's non scoring in the first game. I did not used goals as an argument at all until you mentioned Everton'S game.

I have also said that David Moyes spoke in English language that we all understand. I have seen nothing wrong in what he have said other than a 'CHALLENGE' to Rooney work on his fitness. He also said he is going to play a MAJOR ROLE in Utd this season. Can you tell me what the MAJOR ROLE means?

It was not only non-scoring. I have said it that he was one of the three worst performer on that day. Ho loses possession anyhow.

elampiro: Ronaldo case and Fabregas' are different.

SAF came to the stadium to speak of something that was private between him and his player. He was trying to quench speculation that Rooney will be sold as papers were writing after the Madrid saga.

The way SAF went about it made it complicated for Rooney to make a statement. But Moyes being a more matured person has come out to say it was a private talk between SAF and Rooney.

It is a delicate matter. Moyes has said Rooney is not for sale but the media wont rest.

You keep on blaming the press. Is it the press that told him not to talk and defend himself? Didi the press tape his mouth? He is the only one that can defend himself not all these false defense you are putting up for him. You keep on going back and forth.

Rooney gave the media the opportunity to feed fat on the news.

If you are a lawyer and somebody employs you to defend him/her in the court of law, you will lose that case with the way you are putting up a defense here.

elampiro: I never compared them, I only used Iniester as an example. But someone was trying to accuse me of of comparing them, then I had to game him in his game.

But if I may ask, what role does iniester play?

Iniesta plays majorly as a centre midfielder and at times as a left winger depending on the formation and players available for any particular game.

dademola: wen u start insinuating dt fergie cld hav lied, derz no use continueing d arguement. Ts now obviuos u're a rooney fan, and not a man utd fan.

Exactly my point.

elampiro: Can you tell me if Rooney reacted to Moyes' comment? Can you tell me where you saw Rooney's interpretation of Moyes' comment?

If you can show me Rooney's comment or reaction then we can analyse it.

It is not about his comment but his body language. In this situation, a player who doesn't have another thing at the back of his mind would have come out and declare his LOYALTY to the club. Ronaldo and Fabregas did that of recent. What is preventing Rooney from doing same? Silence means consent.

elampiro: If Rooney plays in a fortified team he will do better than Iniester. Did Pique not say he is the third best in the world?

Is Fabregas not almost over taking Iniester already?

What is the basis of comparing Rooney with Iniesta? Are they playing the same role? You are turning this thing into another thing. Comparing oranges with apples as @coogar used to say> I tire for you o.

elampiro: Even if Rooney is not scoring his work rate speaks for him. I gave an example earlier. Super Eagles of '93 to '98 had Yekini, Omokachie, Sasia and Owubokiri. Yekini could only score just as RVP does now, and he was a no player aside the top role. Siasia and Owubokiri were far more prolific than Omokachie, but Amokachie was the preferred to play a support role because of his work rate. He wasn't scoring, but he was the most important guy in the Eagles attack. Amokachie was not measured on goal alone because without him the attack would find it hard opening up defence. Rooney has a added advantage because he can score from his support role frequently and also lead the attack very well.

You can see now that you countering your own argument. You were the one using Rooney's goalscoring ability to measure his performance. I have mentioned earlier that the times he had goals drought, he wasn't dropped because his fitness level was 100% and was playing well. Now his fitness has dropped. He loses possession so much in game because of his lack of fitness and that was why SAF was not using him regularly.

You brought up the issue of RVP's goals drought. Was RVP not playing well then?

Those Nigerians you mentioned up there were fit and playing well. Why won't they be started in each match?

All these that we have been talking about boils down on Rooney's fitness level. What has he done to rediscover his fitness? This is the first time he is having a stiff competition in United shirt and he wants to run away. Can he do all these under Mourinho? He should go and ask Pepe and Casillas.

elampiro: Who are you reffering to as an illiterate? Did the papers not misquote Moyes' comment to mean Rooney was just a squad member? Then they added that Rooney reiterated he wanted to leave without any comment from Rooney.

So what you are saying is that he doesn't know how to read so as to give proper interpretation and understanding to what David Moyes said. He should rather believe what the press are said. This is absurd!

dademola: pls explain hw d media manipulated moyes' comments.

So he is an illitrate who can't read simple English language about what DM actually said. Why has he refused to come out and pledge his loyalty to the club and accept that he has fitness issues that he will work on with the coach (DM)? If he had done this all this tension would have been diffused. Diplomatically, he even doesn't need to address SAF's issue about whether he asked to leave Man Utd and all will die down.

In law they say "Silence means consent". Is that not so? I believe he wants to leave and that is the reason why he hasn't come out to speak.

elampiro: At a certain (current) period last season, RVP could not score or assist yet he kept playing till the end while goal scorers were substituted. But Fabville felt it was ok for Rooney to be benched after only one match against Everton. Relate both.

A whole lot of what i wanted to say have been said by fellow forum members but what i want to add is that when he (Rooney) too had his goals drought in those two periods in Man Utd shirt, why was he not dropped to the bench? So if you are a coach and your best and fit striker goes through a goals drought, will you drop him to the bench because of that? I can see that you are a very good coach.

However, Rooney was dropped after Everton match because he wasn't fit enough and this directly affected his performance in the match. He was just losing possession anyhow. He first sort out his fitness issues before even considering ever gaining his position back.

Rooney never played didn't score any goal from any deeper in EPL role as you claimed. All the goals he scored were from either as an attacking midfielder of or from the wings.

You are talking about RVP's assist not being enough. His contributions as assist is still okay because a main striker is meant to be assisted.

elampiro: So in your opinion, Rooney was pushed backward from the striking role because he didn't score against Everton? So what about those 10 matches RVP had goals drought and Rooney scored some crucial goals even from a supporting role?

I don't know whether to call you a Man United fan or a Wayne Rooney fan because you have proved here that you are more of a Wayne Rooney fan than a Man Utd fan.

Wayne Rooney have had two worst goals drought run in Man Utd shirt compared to the one RVP had last season. Moreso, RVP was scoring for his country during this period.

In 2005/06 season, Rooney went on a 12-game run - 1002 minutes in terms of match time – from December 2005 to February 2006, ending when he scored twice in the Carling Cup final against Wigan Athletic. Why wasn't he benched during this period? SAF, the whole team and the fans stood by him.

Again, in 2010 he went on a run of 1,114 minutes play time (Five months) without scoring for Utd and also during this period he didn't score for England. This was on the back of scoring 34 goals for the club in the previous season. Why wasn't he benched during this period? SAF, the whole team and the fans stood by him. Do you know what SAF said during the time? He said "I say it time and time again; strikers live by their goals," Sir Alex Ferguson said today. "When they are not scoring, they think it is never going to come. Then when they [goals] come, they think they are never going to finish. They are straightforward people, you know. And Wayne is no different from any other striker."

Once again, i see this as a challenge to him. He only need to work on his fitness and prove to everybody that he's still got it. Everybody faces challenges in life and we all brace ourselves up to face it. We don't run away from them. That is all what David Moyes is telling him.

elampiro: I hear you. Earn my foot. Before his arrival how many goals did Rooney score? 34 goals. If that was the basis, Rooney should have led last season. Coaches only play Rooney in different positions because of his vasatility, just like playing Valencia in right back where need arises or playing Carrick in centre back. Rooney can play very well in many places, so it was right to make RVP stay up, 'cos aside that RVP is off. So it's tactical. But Moyes should not have used words such as 'when RVP is injured then Rooney will be needed'. If it were on merit, RVP should have been on bench in the period he was squandering our chances.

RVP earned his top man position in Man Utd team. He has been the top scorer in the league for the past two seasons. What does that tell you? "Consistent" How else should he earn his position? Rooney has always play a second fiddle to RVP even in the last season RVP spent at Arsenal. Who was the highest goals scorer in the league then? Are you now telling me that the coach should bench a hardworking RVP for a lazy Rooney? We are talking of present not some kind of past glory.

I don't just get it. Somebody is trying to help him regain his fitness and position in the team and they are saying he is "angry and confused". Give me a break!

elampiro: I have a problem with the media. SAF we have heard and seen his quotes. Moyes we have heard and seen his quotes. But when it comes to Rooney, no quotes. It is usually they believe. The media will even say Rooney's advisor want him to move without any quote of the alleged advisor. It's just speculation. Rooney and his wife might probably be laughing over these things.

One thing the media has succeeded in doing is to make the fans to begin to dislike him, this might end up fueling his urge to leave to Chelsea where he will be treated as a new bride just as RVP is to us now.

Moyes statement was a bit unguided, he appears to want to suggest there will be no automatic shirt for Rooney or trying to reassure RVP, but the media were always going to capitalized. Moyes, welcome to a massive club where every bit of your statement means a lot.

Overall, I am yet to see what will make United allow Rooney to leave.

I don't know why you are defending the indefensible. There is nothing "Unguided" about the statement made by David Moyes. He stated the obvious. Accepted that British Press twisted and blew the statement made by DM out of proportion but he spoke in English language that Rooney himself understands. What he (Rooney) should have simply done is to go out to the press and stress his loyalty to the club and the manager and also accept that he has fitness issue and that he's going to work hard on it so as to regain his fitness. He didn't do that, he'll rather listen to the British press that doesn't even care about him. He's giving them the opportunity to dot his Is and cross his Ts which is selling their news.

As far as i am concerned that statement should have challengeg him to work harder on his fitness, get rid of the excess fat, eating habit and drinking habit. DM said "he’s (Rooney) got a major role to play", "I think Wayne can play up-top he can play dropped in", "Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll be key", "It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on". These are pure English language which should ordinarily challenge and encourage him to gain his fitness back. Everybody knows that he has lost his form because of his fitness issues.

Robin Van Persie is our best striker as of now. Does he expect to be our main striker with his present fitness level? All i know is that he is lazy and not ready to work hard to bring back his form. Despite getting fat pay, he doesn't want to work hard for it. Top 9 is not his birth right. That was why SAF bought RVP last season. No player is bigger than Man Utd. Player goes player comes.

He sold his position to RVP because at the beginning of last season he started against Everton and we lost that match because of his fitness issue. He played nothing in that game despite playing full ninety minutes RVP started the next game, he scored in his first start despite the fact that he didn't go for pre-season and we won that game.

If he wants to get his position back, he's got to prove that he's still got somthing in his tank. He should be sold out of England now because he is not worthy of a player that should break the goals record set by Sir Bobby Charlton. He does not deserve to be seen in the same light as SBC who is a true Uniyed.

dopeJemi: my broda I no know oh, na wetin I read

Rooney hates competition. I believe that is his problem.

He was the one that said in the first time he handed in a transfer request that the club lacks ambition. Now, the club bought Robin Van Persie to show him that they still have ambition, he is now sulking over that.

David Moyes have said nothing bad about him to have caused him being angry and confused. He should come out and say the real problem
This is exactly what David Moyes said “I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can. I think Wayne can play up-top he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll be key. If for any reason we had an injury to Robin. Robin, we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well. The first year I think I have to get a chance to see (all the players) and how best to use them. It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on. I’ve also got to make sure it’s not just him and we don’t concentrate on him. Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney.”

For clarity sake, Chelsea did not include any player in the bid they made.

I don't believe Utd will sell him to its direct opponent. He will be sold abroad