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I believe Moyes should go and buy Fellaini instead of wasting his time on Fabregas that will not leave Barcelona unless they are ready to sell him against his wish.
Despite the fact that Arsenal have shown interest in him, Moyes still has an edge if he goes for him. Fellaini will be ready to play for him just like what happened in Thiago and Guadiola's case.

PICTURE: Barcelona remove Thiago from advertising ahead of potential United move
I hope this comes to reality. http://thepeoplesperson.com/picture-barcelona-remove-thiago-from-advertising-ahead-of-potential-united-move/

elampiro: I quoted from your link.

Is it only Rooney's name that was mentioned in the article?

Did you also see Rio's pass success rate? He's third in United's team. This is the man you once said on this forum that can't move the ball so well upfield as Jones/Evans.

You did not also see where his pass success rate. I guess there is nothing good about that.

What is the basis of comparing an attacking midfielder in his debut season with a striker in his ninth season with United?
Kagawa is not a forward but an attacking midfielder. A natural forward should be able to play anywhere in the front line, be it as a centre forward, winger or as a second striker in 4-4-2. When in the history of Man Utd did you see SAF convert Paul Scholes or any of our CM to go and play on the wings or in the striking role?

The article posted was not based on comparing Kagawa's performance with anybody but to assess his first season's performance in order to know where he needs to improve.

I know that if you were SAF, you would have thrown away De Gea based on his performances last season.

As i have said, only time will tell.

elampiro: From the statistics, there is absolutely nothing to offer. He is just average.

And you guys won't rest on your 'if properly used'. The only forward player that was properly used was RVP. Welbeck and Rooney were played out of positions. Welbeck operated on the left and right flanks and did well. Let's stop giving excuses for professionals who didn't do well or were unable to adapt.

Just take a look at some extract from your link. Even though your link was silent about his obvious shortcomings, these parts exposed him. He will be retained for marketing strategy, but certainly not a. Key man to our success.
.........

Wayne Rooney was United’s most frequent assister, contributing ten during the season. Rooney was the only player to record a double-digit assist figure. Next was van Persie with eight. .......

Kagawa was not the boldest of dribblers, completing a scant eight dribbles on the season. Antonio Valencia was United’s most audacious dribbler, getting past a defender in a one-on-one situation 42 times total. ......

There's not too much to report in terms of defending when discussing Kagawa’s statistics. Most notable might well be that he averaged just under a tackle per 90 minutes, 0.9. ......

I will not argue anything with you about this because you never saw anything good about him and everything is always right about Rooney. I know that you cannot post anything here without mentioning Rooney's name since the end of last season. And for you Rooney is everything whether he's playing well or not, whether he's fit or not.

Only time will tell.

Something to read about Shinji Kagawa. His stats for Man United in his 2012/13 debut season. This gives us a clue of what to expect from him if properly used next season. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1692115-shinji-kagawa-breaking-down-his-2012-13-stats-for-manchester-united

piphacker: maybe it is ur platform. it is in my forum but the forum currently undergoing upgrading as a result of traffic. I should have updated another one for you but im not presently in the office. im finding solution to some problem at hand. maybe in the evening I will post another commentator for you

Thank u for the response. What really happen is that when i attach to my chart, it'll show for about three to four seconds and then disappears and will not appear again. Anyway, i am waiting for the one you'll post in the evening.

piphacker, why is the commentator not showing?

@piphacker You are really doing a great job here. I stumbled on this your thread last night and since then i have downloaded all the indicators and trying to trade and master this setup. My question: is it possible for the thumb to disappear before the close of the candle or immediately it appears it won't repaint whether the candle closes or not?

dayokanu: Tell us the equivalent of the Milk Cup or Worthnothing cup in other leagues

League is league, FA Cup=Kings Cup, = DFB Pokal = Coppa Italia etc

Whats Carling or Worthnothing cup? Sensible leagues dont waste their time with senseless cups

Its only a consolation for losers who cant win the league Champions league or FA Cup.

Losers Like Man Utd fans who throw parties for Milk Cup

I am talking about Carling Cup now Capital one cup/League Cup and not League. The winner of League cup automatically qualifies for UEFA Europa league. How can you call such a cup "irrelevant cup" and if that is so then Europa league cup is also "irrelevant cup" according to your reasoning

dayokanu: Summing up irrelevant trophies like Carling Cup, Worthnothing cup, Emirates cup etc dont count.

The cups that count are Continental trophies League and FA cups

Its like someone claiming they won Asoju Oba cup and Principals cup

You call Carling Cup (Capital One Cup/League cup) irrelevant trophy! But you forgot that winner of the cup automatically qualifies for UEFA Europa League which is a continental competition.

montelik: this is fast becoming an argument thread. lol

Moving on, a lot of the spanish papers are linking us with Thiago of Barca. He would be a solid replacement for Scholes. Could he adapt to United and the English game?

I think so. He will be a great addition. More so his price has dropped. We would have bought him two seasons ago when Mata came to Chelsea but he opted to sign new contract.

elampiro: Anderson
2007/2008... 24 EPL matches- 1488 minutes averaging 16 matches. No goal, 1 assist.

2008/2009 936 mins. 2009/10 864mins. 2010/11 1190mins. 2011/12 693mins. 2013 824.


Scholes.
2007/2008... 24 EPL matches- 1841 minutes averaging 20 matches. 1 goal, 4 assists.
Scholes had 1841, 1265 and 1946 minutes in 2008/9,2009/10,2010/11 respectively.

Anderson remaining 14 matches were probably in UCL, FA cup and carling cup. Who knows how much playing time he had. He was simply a squad member and not any major player. Carrick, Scholes and Hargreaves were our major midfielders, but injuries limited Hargreaves and his games were managed. In such situation or where rotation is needed, SAF knew who were to face big challenges.

I am talking of 2007/2008 season as his best season. You are already shifting to another season. What you computed says it all. Scholes and Anderson played the same number of games in EPL. And you are saying he is just completing the squad. I don't need to continue this because that was how you started DDG issue earlier in the year and at the end what happened to DDG stats? You also argued as if Rooney is sold Man Utd will crumble next season.

There is no point continuing with this.

elampiro: What you described up there does not in any way signify a major role to a UCL trophy. He started 6 games out of 13. How can that be a mojor role, and more so considering the fact he missed in the crucial matches. United had reached semi final previously, so getting past there was the major achievement, and SAF knew those who could cope in big games.

You painted in your first writing like Anderson was probably one of the most important players to our UCL campaign. It was like if Anderson wasn't there we wouldn't have won it. That was why I had to let you know he only completed the squad. If he played a major role, what will be said of Van Der Sar, Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Hargreaves and Tevez? In the midfield, you have to give it to Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves and Giggs ahead of him. May be Nani too.

Later in the day, when I am chanced I will try to dig out facts and statistics to further analyse this.

You said I like argument a lot. May be that is what I learnt from this thread.

He played a major role because as at the time Scholes was injured who in your opinion would have filled in for him considering that Hargreaves was injury prone and used to be deployed to right back? Football is a team work and there is no player that can say without him, the team wouldn't have been successful.

Paul Scholes also played seven games in that seasons UCL. The essence of having about 23 players registered is for tactical reason and injury reason. No player can play the whole game in a season.

I am not saying he is better than Scholes but when Scholes wasn't available he deputised for scholes well.

Those that played in the midfield during that season played a major role in United winning trophies in that season and Anderson was part of that midfield. If Anderson is playing the way he played in his first season we would not be having the problem we are having in our midfield right now.

You called a player who made 38 appearances in a season "completing the squad"? You are kidding me. What would you call Scholes who made 34 appearances? A player who made 38 appearances cannot be "completing a team".

dademola: anderson played a major role in our league and UCL triumphs?? Hw can anybody say dt?? Wots ur own meaning of 'major role', if i may ask??

I am talking of 2007/2008 season when Paul Scholes was injured for six months. Who came in for him then? Was it not Anderson? He played regularly in that midfield until Scholes came back fully fit in late April. Unless you you to say he didn't play regularly during Scholes' absence.

These are their appearances for 2007/2008 season in all competitions.
Paul Scholes - 34
Anderson - 38
Carrick - 49
Fletcher - 24
Hargreaves - 34

elampiro: Anderson sat on the bench in the semi final matches and came on only for penalties in the final. It was Hargreaves, Carrick and Scholes that played the major role in the midfield in crucial matches. Though Hargreaves was used as right back in some matches due to injuries to defenders. Except when he wasn't fully fit.

The only time Anderson was one of the first choice two midfielders was when Scholes was injured and Hargreaves had to manage games due to his ailing knee.


1st leg semi final

Barcelona: Valdes, Zambrotta, Marquez, Milito, Abidal, Xavi, Toure Yaya, Deco (Henry 77), Messi (Bojan 62), Eto'o, Iniesta.
Subs Not Used: Pinto, Gudjohnsen, Sylvinho, Giovanni, Thuram.

Booked: Marquez.

Man Utd: Van der Sar, Hargreaves, Ferdinand, Brown, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Park, Rooney (Nani 76), Tevez (Giggs 85).
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Anderson, Pique, O'Shea, Silvestre.

.......

2ng leg semi final
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Hargreaves, Ferdinand, Brown, Evra (Silvestre 90), Park, Scholes (Fletcher 76), Carrick, Nani (Giggs 76), Ronaldo, Tevez.
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Anderson, O'Shea, Welbeck.

Booked: Carrick, Ronaldo.

Goals: Scholes 14.

Barcelona: Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Toure Yaya (Gudjohnsen 88), Messi, Xavi, Deco, Iniesta (Henry 60), Eto'o (Bojan 72).
Subs Not Used: Pinto, Edmilson, Sylvinho, Thuram

......

Final.
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Brown (Anderson 120), Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Hargreaves, Scholes (Giggs 87), Carrick, Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney (Nani 101).
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, O'Shea, Fletcher, Silvestre.

Booked: Scholes, Ferdinand, Vidic, Tevez.

Goals: Ronaldo 26.

Chelsea: Cech, Essien, Carvalho, Terry, Ashley Cole, Ballack, Makelele (Belletti 120), Lampard, Joe Cole (Anelka 99), Drogba, Malouda (Kalou 92).
Subs Not Used: Cudicini, Shevchenko, Obi, Alex.

Sent Off: Drogba (116).

Booked: Makelele, Carvalho, Ballack, Essien.

Goals: Lampard 45.

Man Utd win 6-5 on penalties

I don't just get your point. There is no match in UCL that is not crucial. I know you love argument so much. But i'll want to ask you some questions. How long was Scholes injured in 2007/08 and from when till when? Who replaced him in the team when he was injured? Are you telling me that it is only the Semi-final and the Final matches that are crucial in the champions league? Are you telling me that a player that started six (6) games and came in as sub in three (3) games in the 2007/08 UCL did not play a major role in the winning of the UCL? You made me laugh! Go and check your record. Anderson played regularly in Man Utd team from Oct 2 2007 till April 2008 in EPL, FA cup and UCL. That was his best season so far in United shirt. I still maintain it that he contributed immensely to United winning the EPL and UCL.
Let me take you back memory lane. He played in a league cup against coventry city on Sept. 26 2007 and we lost that game. SAF was contemplating of loaning him out when Scholes suffered a ligament damage at training a night before a UCL game against Dinamo Kiev on 23rd Oct. 2007. That was how he was drafted in and he started that game and that was all. A season campaign is not a short distance but a marathon. The semi final and final matches he did not start was because Scholes was back from injury then. If he didn't play major role in the winning of the UCL why then was he brought on to play penalty? Why didn't Scholes play it? You need to get your facts right.

dademola: abi o. Ando wey we suppose don sell teytey. He has been struggling for form and fitness ever since we bought him.dis is d 6th yr oo. Smh

That is not correct. The first season he was bought to Utd in 2007/2008, he performed so well. He was a good replacement when Scholes got injured around October 2007 up until April when Scholes came back. He played so well during that season. He was one of the reason why we won the EPL and UCL then. Anderson is a box-to-box midfielder but his problem is that he is injury-prone. And he always have injuries that will keep him out for at least two months in a season. Aside that, he is a good midfielder.

rozayx5, well done for a good job here. I have asked you for a request twice but no answer. I believe maybe you missed my post. Please check post no 566.

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El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]You guys deserved the Win - Goin' by the Lacklustre display we putted up.

Same great Barcelona that we'd keep at Bay when we Square up for a showdown? We really play to our strength Coog, never waiting on cheap Penalties!

Cared to check the EPL team with most PK this term? I've not checked, but am certain u folks are there in ur Place.[/color]

You got it all wrong again. Posting what you don't know. Do you realize that your Chelsea have the most number of penalties in English Premier League since 2002/2003 t0 2012/2013 season? Always get your facts right before posting here. These are computed facts, not hearsay or what you think. Even this current season Chelsea has the most number of penalties in the EPL. Whay do you say to this?

El Guapo: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/fa-cup-allardyce-refs-favour-manchester-united-091756750.html

http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/08/scientific-evidence-suggests-referees-favour-manchester-united-liverpool/

http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/city-fans-heres-the-evidence-of-the-united-referee-conspiracy/

[color=#0066ff]and[/color]

http://ballsoutinpublic./2011/02/27/manchester-united-are-favoured-by-referees-right-err-no-actually-not-at-all/

All these are just opinions of managers and some anti Man United. All we need are computed facts of a whole season and adjustment made. Not one-off opinions of managers and some people when decisions go against them. Evidences indeed!

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Mind You, this 'claim' is not Just about this Season alone.

Now u know how Voluminous the Evidences u're Clamoring for would Look like.[/color]

This is for the current season (2012/2013) after 30-31 games. Can you post your own facts if you are really serious about all claims about refs assisting Man United more than any team.

elampiro: Come up with the evidence why United should not be champions. Period!

Every team benefit from referees errors, if you were to compile fairly, United will be far behind City and Arsenal in favours received, irrespective of the period or range of review. You will be surprised United negatives will be higher than the positives. Incase you don't know, there is a chart for this.

These things do no need so much argument. These are the facts for last season when Man City won the league by goals difference. Man United would have won the league if so many decisions had not gone against the team.

Emperoh: I am not sure i get the bolded part of your post. But i assume you mean corner kick?

Most time, i feel the DDG criticism is unfounded. Maybe you are being hounded by the fear of his earlier United career mistakes when you say you fret when the ball is floated into our box. Now, no one takes cognizance of the countless corners he's caught or defended. You see, there's this thing about impression sticking even when it is not so. That is why because DDG made errors or was know for early EPL career errors, any new one is immediately tied to the former. Can the same be said of GKs like VDS who despite being so good had his shyte moments.

I can't count how many times the ball went in through Hart's 'kolo' yet, no one is raising dusts. I understand your concern as a united fan but i kind of feel it is misplaced. I am not sure where you argument is placed but if you are acquiescing because PFA said so then it means you need more to be convinced. That being said, let us use the statistics used for other players to assess DDG and see what it gives. At least that won't lie. If we are to eliminate the saves he made which would have been goals, guess what, we may not have won the league by now or we will even be struggling to.

As for the corners, it can beat any keeper. I have seen many balls cleared off the line. With your argument, it means that any ball cleared off the line is the keeper's fault without analysing how those balls came and what a defender could have done to keep it off. By your assessment, will it be harsh then to assume that for being a United keeper, DDG should not concede goals?

Well said.

elampiro: The West Ham goal was a close range shot from Carroll, that can beat anyone. Hart may have made a few errors, I guess not more than three. What I look at is goalkeepers overall ability to read the game. His movement off his line to pick corner kicks and crosses before they get to players, his positioning , the way the defenders relax around him, I.e the overall team reliance and dependence on he goalkeeper. For these, Cech and Hart are far ahead of De Gea.

You guys keep mentioning articles. I only used those articles to corroborate my opinion about the goalkeeper. At least I am not the only one who has noticed the lapses. What I saw most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box. I didn't get to see any other keeper being shielded or protected by two defenders.

Even Gary Nevile said, the defenders would be nervous of what is behind them. I perfectly understood him as he spoke my mind, my worry.

You made mentioned that our defense was weak. Hmmm, I would have agreed, but considering Ferdinand who was voted best central back was in the defence, I wouldn't agree anymore. Ferdinand played more than any other central defender, and he is a master organizer. He paired Evans more than anyone else, Evans is no longer a baby defender in Europe. In my opinion, I think United had a better organized defence than Chelsea.

You are only looking for a way to excuse Hart from that school boy error. De Gea have made a lot of point-blank saves this season irrespective of whether it is from close range or not. If he reads the game so well as you have claimed, why didn't he position himself well to prevent the ball entering his 'Toros'? The errors Hart made this season is more than three.

I don't believe in whatever anybody says, i believe in statistics and statistics are facts.

I didn't say our defense was weak. I only said that at the beginning of the season, our defense line was not stable because of injuries. A defense that had Carrick as a central defender at some point. A defense that kept changing week in week out will always open the goalie to so many goals because there will be no understanding. What makes a good defense is good defenders and stability. I am not doubting the ability of Rio. He started 25 games, Jonny Evans 19 games while Vidic played 16 games. He is the most consistent and regular out of the four central defenders we have. These are the kind of things that will make a goalkeeper concede goals anyhow.

"most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box"
I do not believe this because Man Utd scored the most goals from open play in EPL this season. They scored 50 goals from open play and if they are "too shielding their goalie" then they wouldn't have been able to score that amount of goals from open play.

dademola: baba, 4gt articles here. wen ddg was parrying shots to d paths of unrushing strikers for a couple of weeks nko??isnt it an open secret dt DDG isnt too comfortable with arial balls into d box?? Dnt get i twisted oo, i cldnt be more impressed with d prgress d boi has made over d past 10mnths, bt if der r areas of his game dt nid improvement, dey shud be pointed out, and even fergie attested to dis fact in a nmbr of interviews.i think man utd fans shud see his inclusion into d team- of- d- yr list more as a recognition of hw well he has improved,and not as if we nw hav an accomplished gianluigi buffon in our ranks!! DDG....great shotstopperABSOLUTELY!!! great goalkeeper??NOT YET!!!!

I did not say De Gea has arrived or is now "an accomplished gianluigi buffon". When this argument came up here, i said he has improved a lot from last season and statistics supported that. I also said we have to take into consideration that he is new in EPL compared to where he's coming from. EPL is more physical and they play a lot of crosses into the 18 yard box. I said that we need to give him time to adapt and adjust to the system of play in England instead of criticizing him the way some fans were critical of him. As for me he is still learning and he's not yet a finished product but he has improved tremendously. This is his second season and he is already in PFA team of the season.

elampiro: No one fooled me, it is what I watched and saw. If today I am a coach of a team, I will start Cech, Hart ahead of De Gea in that order. But since the EPL officials have said he is the best, I rest my argument even though I highly disagree. In about 70% of our matches this season, De Gea made me nervous, I actually think the players over laboured to protect him. Even against Aston Villa he fumbled a simple crossing into the 18 box and it was RVP who cleared again from goal line in the resulting corner. These are suppose to be simple balls for goalkeepers.

Remember too, Bale won the best player. Is he really the best?

I don't know from which perspective you watch matches. Did you watch Man City vs West Ham? Since De Gea arrived in England, he has never made such error. Most of the errors made by Hart in this season are school boys errors that De Gea have never made. You need to concede to superior argument when you see one. No matter how you look at it he is the best goalie this season. That was our (Coogar and i0I) argument and we supported it with facts while you depended so much on some articles written by Alan Hansen & co.
You said defenders over laboured to protect him. I totally disagree because he was so much alive to his duties as a good goalie even when we didn't have a stable defence line because of injuries. If not for his sharp reflexes we wouldn't have won this title the way we have won it. Defenders are supposed to give protection to their goalie as their primary duty. But if you don't have good/stable defence line, then you don't have to blame goalie for conceding goals cos there is a limit to what he can do.

rozayx5, is it not possible for the ichi360 v8 to be coded to have ordinary alert instead of email alert?

coogar: gareth bale won the pfa player of the year

what a joke!!! van persie scored against all the top teams away from home. etihad, emirates, anfield, white hart lane, etc!

I think the reason why Bale won it was because his goals had more impact on the position of his team than any of his fellow nominees. Most especially contesting for a champions league slot. This is where each team would have been without their top scorer.

This is the 2012/2013 PFA team of the year. Man United has four players. I am personally happy for De Gea for making it into the team despite a lot of criticism from some fans on this forum that he is not better than Hart and Cech. Some members even said that Asmir Begovic and Julio Cesar. Most especially @elampiro who was so critical of De Gea. This was all myself, @coogar and some other fans were saying that De Gea has improved a lot this season. Also, he wasn't as bad as some fans painted him last season. These are facts and not articles some individuals sat down somewhere and wrote. I believe this is just the beginning of greater prospect for him.

rozayx5, i think this ichi360 v8 works most perfectly on H1 time frame than H4. What do you think about this?

Arsenate: Man utd:
Special thanks to web, clattenburg, foy and the crew. You guys were immense all season.

Arsenate: Man utd:
Special thanks to web, clattenburg, foy and the crew. You guys were immense all season.

Pot calling kettle black. See who is talking about being aided by refrees. Arsenal benefited most from refrees bad officiating this season. They wouldn't have been able to even compete for champions league position if they haven't benefited from such bad officiating. They would have been in seventh position right now. Shame on you.