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Moniya4Real:
i stand to be corrected bro. but regarding the killer-Sinwar. may be because the Palestinian he represents isn’t recognized as a state …….warrant

Palestine is a signatory of the Rome statute. The ICC had complete jurisdiction to issue an arrest warrant for Sinwar all along.

It is Israel that is NOT a signatory.

Moniya4Real:
How can i like this response 10 times? You couldn’t have said it any better. i hate and detest Hamas with a passion and i can’t wait to see the Group’s destruction, but how can you be killing innocent women and children in tens of thousands and you expect the world to look away.!Hamas should be wiped out completely but it’s increasingly looking like the IDF don’t care a hoot about the entire palestinian population.

Saying Israel doesn't care about the entire Palestinians population isn't true. Not in the slightest. Israel always call for the evacuation of civilians before moving in ground troops. Airstrikes in civilian area is unavoidable because that's where Hamas hides.

You say you support the complete wiping out of Hamas by Israel. How do you think that will happen without attacks in civilian areas? Have you ever seen Hamas military barracks? They don't have any. They are completely embedded among gazan civilians.

Is there any way by which Israel can attack Hamas military formations without targeting civilian areas?

Namaster:
France seems to have their senses and dignity intact. Rest of them are spineless cowards dripping with hypocrisy.

First of all, I don't even have a problem with what Israel is doing to Hamas. The only way to deal with an enemy is to OBLITERATE them. That's what Israel is doing.

It takes RUTHLESSNESS and BRUTALITY to achieve that. Netanyahu supplies that in EXCESS.

Now the problem is that Israel, US, UK and their other allies keep insisting that Israel is a SAINT for doing EXACTLY what they've crucified other countries and their leaders for.

It's the height of hypocrisy.

I don't agree with you equating what Israel is doing with "EXACTLY" what other countries have been crucified for.

Israel was invaded directly without warning, suffering thousands of casualties. No western country have/would crucify any country for declaring war after being invaded and attacked in such manner.

Unclebayo:
Petrol price per litre in United state 0.80 USD
-Minimum wages 3k usd (4.5 million naira) per month

Petrol price per litre in Nigeria 0.70 USD
minimum wages 25 usd(30k naira) per month

God will punish you if you vote for this man next election because I know what Nigerians can do

What Nigerians "WILL" do.

Somehow, ethnicity and religion influence voters beyond our collective suffering.

WriterNig:
This is the same hypocrites that some of you here are supporting. Smh

This same US was trying to force the ICC to arrest President Putin even though the civilian casualties in Ukraine for 2 years is not even up to a quarter of the number of Palestinians killed by Israel.

Israel has killed over 35,000 Palestinian citizens, 12,000 of them are children.

While in the 2 years war in Ukraine, 558 civilians have died.

The US killed millions of people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Syria, Vietnam.

The US also threatened to invade & destroy (ICC) The Hague, Netherlands if they ever issue arrest warrants for American war criminals like Obama, Bill Clinton etc

I have a question.

How many HAMAS and Palestinian fighters have Israel killed since Oct 7th?

maasoap:
That doesn't look like war because war doesn't look like that. That's genocide, mass killings and large scale destructions. Blocking aids in form of food, water, medicine, basic needs is not a war. Killing medical personnel is not a war. Killing foreign aids workers is not a war. What Israel is doing is extermination of a race.

It is not GENOCIDE. Stop saying that. It is not true.
Israel may have possibly breached wartime law.

But what's going on in gaza is Not a genocide.

maasoap:
That doesn't look like war because war doesn't look like that. That's genocide, mass killings and large scale destructions. Blocking aids in form of food, water, medicine, basic needs is not a war. Killing medical personnel is not a war. Killing foreign aids workers is not a war. What Israel is doing is extermination of a race.

I don't know which universe you're typing from..
But on earth, killings, large scale destruction, death of medical personnel, death of foreign aid workers, suffering of innocent citizens all happen during war.
War isn't calm.
Brutal things happen in war. And all the time, the innocent suffers it the most.
I'm not excusing Israel's use of force.
But War is what it is.

Empiree:
sorry, I am not interested in Oct 7. It seems you are dignifying it. The entire place called Israel today is a crime scene. Go and read UN charter. United Nations' charter says, the occupied power can not claim self defense on the land it occupies. And the occupied people have right to resist occupation and the right to return to their homes they were kicked out in 1948.

If Fulani invade your house and occupy it, Fulani can not claim self defense.

The current war started on that day. You should consider it.
The so-called self defence law gets complicated when the so called "occupying power" is a sovereign country that has the right to also defend itself if invaded.
Self defense doesn't excuse premeditated, surprise and barbaric massacres of innocents civilians of an internationally recognized sovereign country.
In that case, the so-called self defence become a declaration of War.
You shouldn't also try to justify Oct 7th attack by Hamas.

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Procashtips:
I knew this was a waste of time.

You showed maps that showed a decline of territory. The maps didn't explain why.
Rest. Your narrative is just a side of the story too.
It is largely false.

A specific example is that There was never an actual UN two-state in 1948 as your map showed.

That was only a UN plan but It never took place as your map indicated.

There was never a Palestine-Israel side by side because the Arabs rejected it and declared a war instead of declaring a Palestinian state.

Your maps has misleading information.
I can only hope you understand.

Empiree:
Please stop watching mainstream media. I would imagined you have heard about this months ago?

Who fired 5,000 rockets into Israel on Oct 7th?
The IDF?
Who took hostages into Gaza? Netanyahu?
Who filmed themselves committing and celebrating those atrocities en-mass that day?

This particular screenshot you posted is a personal opinion of someone
While I admit there could've have been cases of friendly fires( it happens commonly in war)
The whole thing happened because Hamas invaded. The vast atrocities were committed by Hamas. Hamas themselves filmed it, and celebrated them.
We all saw the tapes. So, bury this false narrative of yours.

Procashtips:
Read the map I attached.

You're just repeating the same thing like a bot. What does the map say?

The maps show the change in control of the territory from the 19th century till date.

Let me ask you a question too.

Did the Arabs ACCEPTED the Partition Plan(two-state solution) of 1948?

Procashtips:
Did you read that the IDF shot and killed fellow Israelis on that same Oct 7?


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/another-israeli-witness-confirms-israeli-tanks-killed-own-citizens-on-oct-7/3079514

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-opens-probe-into-reports-oct-7-friendly-fire-deaths-2024-02-06/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/pa-falsely-says-oct-7-rave-massacre-was-committed-by-idf-netanyahu-preposterous/amp/

To make it look like a terrible attack, they intentionally shot and killed their fellow citizens, then blamed everything on Hamas.

Would you also say it was the IDF that launched 5,000 rockets into Israel on Oct 7th?

Would you say it was the IDF that kidnapped the hostages Hamas took into gaza?

Would you say it was the IDF that filmed itself shooting, burning, kidnapping, attacking and celebrating all through Oct 7th?

We all saw the tapes of Oct 7th attacks. I'm sure you saw them too.

Hamas declared war in the most brutal way that day. Now Israel is responding with full force.

Hamas must now fight the war it started to the end or surrender and release the hostages.

Procashtips:
Please educate yourself.

If Isreal accepted, how come Palestinian side of the land became smaller everyday from like 80/20 to now 20/80?

You need to truly educate yourself. The fact that you wrote the above says alot about what you know.

Hamas started nothing, Hamas just reacted to a push to the wall gone too far.

I don't want to continue with this because it won't change who doesn't want to change.

Do real research and not what mainstream media has told you.

Let's end it this way. Kindly point which of the following is untrue.

1) In 1948, the UN voted to partition Mandatory Palestinians between the Arabs and the Jews living there(two-state solution)

2) Israel accepted the UN two-state solution and declared the state of Israel.

3) The Arabs rejected the UN two state solution and, instead launched a war against the newly formed Israel.
4) Isreal defended their new country, won the war and gained more land than was initially given by the two-state solution.

What you can say is that the UN may have been unfair in the partition plan.

But Israel got the land from the UN

If the ARABS had accepted the plan, there would have been an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel.
Rather they chose war, they lost the war and lost more land. Chose war again, lost the war and lost more land... till date.


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Empiree:
. Please stop dignifying Oct 7. There is nothing special about it. It happens everyday to Palestinians.

I need to clarify this. I agree Israel has been treating the Palestinians unfairly.
But OCT 7th is pure evil.
Mention one event when Israel launched a mass surprise attack on the Palestinians, shooting 3 thousands bombs into Palestine in one day,, killing, raping, burning, kidnapping thousands in ONE DAY. Then recording all of it and celebrating it en mass

Empiree:
was there anyone that justified killing indigenous Palestinians in 1948 and forcing 750,0000 from their homes?. I'm the second intifadah in year 2000's peaceful protest, what justified Israel to use force on Palestinian protesters looking bunch of Palestinians?.

Many many issues like this. I haven't even talked about illegal settlers in West Bank killing Palestinians and stealing their homes everyday. What justified that one?. Please stop dignifying Oct 7. There is nothing special about it. It happens everyday to Palestinians.

1948: You should say thing as it is. JEWS and ARABS were offered the two-state solution by the UN.
The UN had the right to do that. After WW2, the UN cut out of pre-WW2 Germany and gave it to other countries due to Germany roles in the war.
Israel got their country from the UN. It isn't stealing.
Jews accepted and became Israel.
Arabs REJECTED it and invaded the newly formed Israel. Israel won the war then expanded

Empiree:
Just like Nigeria was never a distinct country until British created one. Where there people not living in Nigeria before it became Nigeria?. Were there Palestinians not living on the land before so called Jews migrated there from Europe?.

It is called stealing my friend

It is NOT stealing. Why?
The UN GAVE IT TO THEM. Ignoring that fact won't change the truth

Procashtips:
The war can't end until the apartheid regime is dismantled or did they tell you both sides started fighting from Oct 7?

Their fight is older than 70 years.

The end to this is for Israel to stop all the aforementioned and agree to the UN resolution of 2 states. Application is more important than just agreeing.
What Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing, they're just using Hamas as excuse (Former Israeli president founded and funded Hamas, you can do your research on this).

Land grabbing hasn't stopped, they keep using Hamas as an excuse to stealing more lands and expanding their settlements.

Please do your research if you truly want the truth and not just here to argue or do some religious solidarity (not saying this is what you're doing)

I don't want to waste my time typing all these

If you truly want to know the genesis of the whole crisis, use the internet, also google maps of various timeline to see who's been oppressing who since 1945.

1) The conflict is decades old. But this current war started on Oct 7th. Hamas started it.

Lolz. Two states solution. And you're the one asking me to read things up. Even ignorantly saying Israel should agree to the UN two states Solution.

1948: The UN voted for the two states solution.
Israel immediately ACCEPTED it, and got their country. The Arabs REFUSED and invaded the newly formed Israel. Israel won the war and expanded.
If the Arabs has accepted, there would've been a Palestinian country.

Till date, the Palestinians do not want the two-state solution. They want all of the land.

Until recently, Israel has been obliged towards a two-state solution

Now, Israel is against it, and Israel is suddenly the villain against two-state solution, while willfully ignoring the fact that it is because the Palestinians has been rejecting and still rejecting the two-state solution that they do not have a state.

Empiree:
and you said you have been following their conflicts?. If so then you should have understood this is not Arabs vs Jews. It is it is zionists vs Arabs. There are Jews that oppose illegal state of Israel like Rabbi Weiss and name more like him

Sure. There are Jews who opposed it. But the overwhelming majority supported it.

And how is it illegal? Palestine was never a distinct independent country.
Plus, the UN GAVE ISRAEL THAT LAND. You know about the partition plan, I believe.

Empiree:
it is not a war but genocide and ethnic cleansing.. Oct 7 was not isolated incident

It is a war. It is not genocide..

Oct 7th was not an isolated incident. TRUE.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY IS UNJUSTIFIABLE AND A CLEAR DECLARATION OF WAR.

Empiree:
So their crisis started on Oct 7?


Below October 7. Help yourself below

I am well aware of the history of violence and conflict between the Jews and Arabs in the region.


What I'm saying is... NOTHING justifies October 7th.
No matter what's been done to you, attacking a sovereign country with such brutality and committing such atrocities like Hamas did on Oct 7th is a clear declaration of War. That is undisputable. Doesn't Hamas know the result of its actions?
Israel is responding and Hamas should fight the war it started.

If not, it should surrender and release the hostages immediately. Then, this war can end.

Empiree:
So their crisis started on Oct 7?

Nope. But the current war started on Oct 7th

Procashtips:
Let's ask the murderous Israel to release thousands of Palestinians in the prisons years before Oct 7.

Let's also ask Israel to dismantle the apartheid and land grabbing regime they put up for years now.

Let's also ask Israel to compensate all the Palestinians they have killed, imprisoned and banished from their lands since 70 years ago.

Don't you think if you mush push someone to the wall, they'll fight back?

I thought you want an end to this war.

Hamas started this current war, and obviously, Israel is more than a match for it.
You cannot expect Israel to stop with its hostages in Hamas possession.
If the aim of Hamas is to destroy Israel or take back all the land they've lost, then it should keep fighting the war it started, and you shouldn't be here screaming for a ceasefire.

But if there is to be a ceasefire, you should call for the immediate and unconditional release of the hostages.
NOTHING justifies Oct 7th.
You cannot absolve Hamas of what it did, then condemn Israel for its reaction to it.

Empiree:
were you dead?. They already made offer for the release of hostages in exchange for Palestinian in Israeli prison but Benjamin Satanyahu refused. Do you have idea number of Palestinians that are kidnapped by Israel including kids?.

Your kind and loving Hamas were making demands that were unacceptable.

For example, it demanded a complete withdrawal of the IDF as a pre-condition to any deal.

This is even ignoring the fact that there is no moral equivalence between the hostages brutally kidnapped by your kind and loving Hamas and the Palestinians arrested by Israel.

Hamas started this war, Israel is responding to it.

Hamas should unconditionally release the hostages if it wants peace.

AnambraPikinSel:
You are definitely mad with this your religion nonsense, if Nigeria were to be a sane country, you deserve to face fire squad. Oloruburuku somebody, may kidnapper wipe out your entire lineage

I agree that what righteousness commented was extreme. But read his comment again and read your response. He seems to be even more civil that you, don't you think

YesDaddyTill203:
Hitler should have gotten rid of all these bastard ret@rd Jews.
Their end is coming sooner or later.
Hitler was a good kind man trying to help the rest of humanity.

Your good, kind Hitler tried and failed. As a result, the state of Israel was born.
Hamas tried too , and is currently in a fight for its life. The "retard jews" somehow seems to have them all under its feet, don't you think

donbenie:
Zionist mur.derers

And Hamas are peace lovers right?

Procashtips:
This is not their first time of killing foreign and local aid workers including journalists.

They even kill doctors and health workers..

Maybe they were all accidental.

Murderers don't know when to stop.

Let's ask the peace loving and harmless Hamas to release the hostages then
That will be a big step towards stopping the ongoing carnage, don't you think?

ntyce:
You're sick....

A nation that values human lives and has killed over 32,000 Palestines.

Eni SE orire

As opposed to which country?

USA? You saw what it did to Afghanistan after 9/11.
If Israel has absolute disregard for lives, the war should have been over long ago with the annihilation of palestine

trulymatters:
It's a carnage. Israel should stop the killing.

You forgot to add "Hamas should surrender and release the hostages first".

[quote author=Empiree post=129235227][/quote]Lolz. Go and "unexist" Israel then.

Atlantis585:
Hitler was right in trying to exterminate Jews after all.

He failed, and as a result of his actions, Israel is much more stronger than ever.