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You are not entitled to your traditions.
Not legally. Not morally. Not historically. And after reading this, not argumentatively either.
This is not a foreign opinion. This is not bitterness. This is Nigerian law, Nigerian history, and Nigerian anthropological record applied to Nigerian wedding practice across all 371 tribes. Not one. All of them. Because the pattern is identical regardless of what language you dress it in or what name you give the ceremony.
Read it completely before you respond. Every exit you are already planning to use is closed before you reach it.
PART ONE: WHAT THE COVENANT ACTUALLY WAS
Traditional Nigerian marriage across the majority of 371 tribes was a reciprocal covenant. Not a purchase order. Not a one sided extraction. A covenant with specific obligations on both sides. The groom paid. The groom prostrated. In exchange for three specific guarantees the bride's family was required to deliver. Remove any one of them and the traditional justification for payment collapses. Remove all three and you are not practicing tradition. You are wearing its costume while the body inside it decomposed years ago.
GUARANTEE ONE: THE VIRGINITY AND LINEAGE COVENANT
This is not a minor item on the list. This is the list. Everything else was supporting documentation.
Bride price was not payment for feeding someone for twenty years. Not payment for school fees or church attendance or matching aso-ebi at previous family events. It was conditional payment for lineage certainty.
The white cloth test existed across the majority of tribes. Yoruba asa ibile. Igbo equivalent practices. Hausa verification customs. Different names. Same function. Same legal weight within the traditional system.
If the bride was a virgin, gifts and money went back to her parents. Covenant fulfilled. Payment earned.
If she was not, the tradition was explicit. The bride could be returned. The dowry refunded. Public accountability fell on the family. Not primarily on the woman. On the parents. Because the parents were the guarantors. The shame architecture targeted them specifically because they were responsible for what happened under their roof.
This was not romantic. This was lineage certainty as a practical guarantee. The groom's family was paying for the assurance that children born into their lineage were of that lineage. In a pre-DNA era that guarantee had enormous practical and social weight.
The virginity covenant was the primary consideration in the entire transaction. Not one of several items. The item. The warranty certificate without which the transaction has no object.
If that primary guarantee no longer exists, and in the majority of modern Nigerian families it does not, then by the internal logic of the tradition itself the entire payment structure loses its justification. Not partially. Entirely.
You cannot charge for a warranty you are not providing. You cannot demand prostration in honour of a guarantee you abandoned. You cannot scream tradition while the primary traditional obligation has been quietly deleted from your side because modern life made it inconvenient.
GUARANTEE TWO: PROTECTION AND SUPERVISION
The second guarantee was the operational requirement that made the first guarantee possible.
The bride's family was the security detail. From birth until handover they were responsible for the girl's safety, reputation, and physical integrity. Courtship was supervised. Alarina intermediaries existed. Structured visits. Monitored relationships. A man who slept with an unbetrothed virgin faced consequences. Community accountability was the mechanism that made the virginity guarantee deliverable.
You cannot guarantee lineage certainty without controlling the conditions that make lineage certainty possible. The protection obligation and the virginity guarantee were the same obligation viewed from two angles.
Now look at the documented reality.
NACA Nigeria recorded 39.5% of young Nigerian women experiencing sexual violence. 78.5% of perpetrators were known to the victims. Not strangers. Known men. Compound men. Men at the last family gathering. Men who will be at the wedding.
A study in South-West Nigeria found nearly 70% of adolescents reporting some form of sexual violence since age 12.
Seventy percent. In Yorubaland. Where the prostration demand is loudest.
Only 3.3% of cases were ever reported to law enforcement. The Lancet specifically documented that the primary reason for non-reporting was putting the family name first. The family knew. In many cases the family chose the name over the child.
That is not a protection failure. That is the complete and documented abandonment of the second guarantee. The family standing on wedding day demanding prostration for their protective role is standing on a foundation the statistics already demolished.
GUARANTEE THREE: CHARACTER TRAINING
The third guarantee was the visible proof of the first two. Yoruba Omoluabi. Igbo Ogo. The principle that the bride's family was presenting a morally trained, domestically capable, emotionally stable human being ready to enter another family's home as an asset not a destabiliser.
The Owo Ibombo, the upbringing fee, was connected to this guarantee. The groom's family was acknowledging years of deliberate investment in character formation. The liability was real because the guarantee was real.
Now. Section 301 of the Nigerian Criminal Code already makes it the legal duty of every head of family to provide the necessaries of life for a child in their charge. Raising your child was never a favour to the groom. It was your legal obligation to the state.
You cannot invoice a stranger for the cost of not being arrested for child neglect over the past twenty years.
In Nigerian contract law this is called past consideration. Which is no consideration at all.
The Owo Ibombo is a dead debt dressed as a cultural right.
PART TWO: THE FRAUD
The modern majority abandoned the Virginity and Lineage Guarantee. No white cloth. No accountability mechanism. No refund structure. The core justification for the entire payment quietly deleted.
They abandoned the Protection Obligation. 70% in Yorubaland. 78.5% known perpetrators. 3.3% reported. Family name first. The security detail abandoned its post and buried the evidence.
They abandoned the Character Guarantee. Schools do it. The internet does it. TikTok does it. The family outsourced the work and kept the invoice.
But the billing remains. The list remains. The entrance fees remain. The hearing fees remain. The prostration remains. The Owo Ibombo remains. The tech list remains. The Alaga's commentary while a grown man lies on the floor remains.
They removed every liability while keeping every payment.
Under Section 419 of the Nigerian Criminal Code, obtaining goods by false pretences, anyone who by false pretence and with intent to defraud obtains from any other person anything capable of being stolen is guilty of a felony.
When a family presents themselves as Traditional to extract a multi-million naira list while having abandoned the virginity guarantee that was the primary justification for that list, the protection obligation that made the guarantee deliverable, and the character training that was the visible evidence of both, they are misrepresenting the service they are providing.
They are selling a Traditional Marriage package that is empty of its traditional contents.
In traditional Yoruba custom Owo Ori was symbolic acknowledgment of a completed covenant. In traditional Igbo custom the Ime Ego negotiation used broomsticks to represent token value, often returned to prove the daughter was not a commodity. Across the majority of tribes the historical record is consistent. Bride price was symbolic acknowledgment of work completed. Not a procurement fee.
The moment a family accepts a list featuring iPhones, generators, and inverter systems they have left customary law entirely. They have entered commercial transaction. And in commercial transactions the shopkeeper does not ask the customer to lie on their stomach.
By monetising the process they stripped the sacred element from it. It is no longer a covenant. It is a merger and acquisition. With the primary consideration missing. They are charging full price for an empty box and calling you disrespectful for reading the label.
That is Section 419. With matching aso-ebi.
PART THREE: THE TOLL GATE
Every stage of a modern Nigerian introduction ceremony is a billable event. Pay to enter. Pay so the father can hear you. Pay so the mother can hear you separately. Pay for the letter to be read. Pay before your gifts are opened. Pay to call the bride from the next room. Pay to see her face. Pay the compound women. Pay the younger siblings. Pay the floor. Then present the list. Then present the tech. Then pay the Owo Ibombo for the legal duty they were already required to perform. Then prostrate four times while the Alaga provides commentary and the family sometimes physically pushes a grown man down.
Then if you decline one item. If you say no to one demand. If you refuse the prostration on grounds of religion, personal belief, or the simple fact that you have already paid millions and lying on the floor was not in the original covenant.
No means no becomes beg harder.
And they call that humility.
And they call that respect.
And they say we do not sell our daughters.
The receipt says otherwise.
PART FOUR: THE LAW
This section is not opinion. These are Nigerian statutes. Verify every one.
The Marriage Act Cap M6 LFN 2004.
Section 18. Parental consent is only legally required if either party is under 21. For any adult no third party consent is required. Not family. Not elders. Not the Alaga. Nobody.
Section 27. A valid statutory marriage requires a registrar or recognised minister and two witnesses. No provision for family involvement, bride price, lists, or introduction ceremonies as conditions of validity.
Section 41. Any person who attempts to prevent a marriage by pretending their consent is required by law commits a criminal offence. This covers families who claim introduction is legally mandatory, that bride price must be paid before a marriage is valid, or that their approval is required by law. It is not. Claiming it is constitutes a criminal offence.
The 1999 Constitution as amended.
Section 1 subsection 3. Any law, custom, or practice inconsistent with the Constitution is void. Not subject to elder review. Void.
Section 34. Right to dignity of the human person. Any tradition involving physically pushing a man onto a floor, mocking him while he lies there, and demanding he beg louder is a constitutional violation. Not an opinion. A violation of supreme law.
Section 37. Right to private and family life. Marriage decisions are private matters between consenting adults. Family intrusion has no constitutional basis.
Section 42. Freedom from discrimination based on ethnic group or community. You cannot impose tribal obligations on a person who has not consented to them.
The Repugnancy Doctrine. Any customary law repugnant to natural justice, equity, and good conscience is unenforceable. A custom that demands prostration while presenting a procurement list worth millions is internally contradictory and fails the repugnancy test. Mojekwu v Mojekwu 1997. Agbai v Okogbue. Obi v Bosah 2019.
Privity of Contract. A statutory marriage is a legal contract between two people. The family is not a party to that contract. No legal standing to derive rights or impose obligations from it. No Nigerian court will enforce a bride price list for a statutory marriage. It is a nudum pactum. A bare promise with no legal consideration.
The African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights. Domesticated into Nigerian law. Sits above ordinary domestic legislation.
Article 4. Human beings are inviolable. Every human being shall be entitled to respect for their life and physical and moral integrity.
Article 6. Right to liberty and security of person.
Article 10. No one may be compelled to join an association. This includes being compelled to follow the dictates of a traditional council regarding your wedding.
The Maputo Protocol. Ratified by Nigeria. No marriage shall take place without the free and full consent of both parties. Prostration cannot be compelled. Lists cannot be legally enforced. Introduction cannot be made mandatory.
The VAPP Act 2015.
Section 14. Emotional and psychological abuse. Using threats or sustained pressure to force compliance with traditional demands is a criminal offence. Up to one year imprisonment.
Section 10. Compulsion by force or threat. Up to two years imprisonment. Includes threatening to withhold a daughter unless demands are met.
Section 12. Forceful obstruction. Blocking a spouse from their partner or home. Up to two years imprisonment.
The Criminal Code Southern Nigeria.
Section 419. Obtaining goods by false pretences. As established in Part Two.
Section 361. Abduction to prevent marriage. Seven years.
Section 366. Compelling marriage by force. Seven years.
Section 127. Compounding a felony. Accepting any benefit including bride price to help conceal the commission of a serious offence. Where families covered up abuse and subsequently collected bride price this section applies.
Marriage Act penalty sections.
Section 40. Preventing a marriage by fictitious caveat. Two years.
Section 45. Personating another to obstruct a marriage. Five years.
Fundamental Rights Enforcement Procedure Rules. A couple may approach a High Court for an injunction ordering family members to cease interference before any ceremony. Violation is contempt of court with immediate bench warrant consequences.
PART FIVE: THE LOGICAL TRAP
Every exit is closed.
If you defend the current practice you admit it is not tradition. Real tradition required the virginity and lineage guarantee as primary consideration, protection as operational requirement, and character training as visible evidence. You abandoned all three. What you are defending is a payment system that borrowed tradition's name.
If you admit it is tradition you must accept the full obligations. Virginity covenant with refund mechanisms intact. Protection guarantee with accountability structure intact. Character training with liability provisions intact. Trousseau obligation where the bride's family equips her rather than billing the groom for kitchen appliances. Accept all of that then we discuss the groom's obligations.
If you say times have changed then times have changed for prostration and bride price simultaneously. You cannot freeze the half that benefits you while melting the half that costs you. If the white cloth test evolved away the prostration evolved away with it. If the trousseau obligation evolved away the technology list evolved away with it. Same tradition. Same timeline. Pick one and apply it to both sides.
If you attack the messenger the argument stands untouched. The laws are Nigerian. The statistics are from Nigerian and African institutions. The traditional obligations are in your own anthropological record. Attack the man and the evidence remains.
If you ignore it you confirm the hypocrisy. Silence is the admission that no coherent answer exists.
There is no sixth option.
PART SIX: THE FOUR ATTACKS AND WHY THEY FAIL
You are a foreigner who does not understand our culture.
The Marriage Act was written by Nigerian legislators. The Constitution was drafted by Nigerians. The Criminal Code is Nigerian law. The African Charter was signed by African heads of state. The statistics were produced by Nigerian and African institutions. The traditional obligations described are in the anthropological record of your own tribes documented by Nigerian scholars. There is no foreign content in this argument. Engage with the statute or concede the point.
You are bitter or have a personal agenda.
Section 41 of the Marriage Act does not have feelings. The Repugnancy Doctrine does not care about personal history. The virginity covenant and its refund mechanism are in your own traditional records. Engage with the documented evidence or concede the point.
Times have changed and tradition evolves.
Correct. Then stop demanding prostration. You cannot invoke evolution to dissolve your obligations while invoking tradition to preserve your entitlements. Pick a timeline and apply it consistently to both sides or concede that you are not arguing for tradition at all.
This is a Western attack on African values.
The African Charter was written by African heads of state. The Maputo Protocol was drafted and ratified by African governments. The Repugnancy Doctrine was established by Nigerian judges. The statistics were produced by African institutions. There is nothing Western here. Engage with the African Charter or concede the point.
FINAL QUESTION
The virginity and lineage guarantee was the primary consideration for the entire traditional payment structure. Without it the bride price had no object. Without it the prostration had no justification. Without it the list had no covenant to attach to.
That guarantee is gone.
The protection obligation that made it deliverable is statistically documented as abandoned.
The character training that was its visible evidence is being billed as a service when it was a legal duty.
Can a family that abandoned the primary warranty, abandoned the operational guarantee, abandoned the character liability, buried abuse to protect its name, and converted a reciprocal covenant into a commercial toll gate still demand full traditional payment, prostration, and respect with a straight face.
That is not a rhetorical question.
It requires a direct answer.
And the answer determines whether what you are practicing is tradition.
Or fraud with a dress code.

DeepSight:
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I found your interventions eminently bizarre, long-winded and neither here nor there. Sorry.

Bizarre. Long winded. Neither here nor there.
Three complaints and not one specific. No "this argument was wrong because." No "this claim was inaccurate." No "this reasoning failed here." Just three adjectives and a sorry that wasn't really sorry.
That's not a critique mate that's a mood.
Long winded I'll take partially. I write long. Always have. But length without substance is waffle and substance without length is a tweet so if you want to tell me which specific part was padding I'm genuinely here for that conversation.
Bizarre I find interesting coming from the man who opened a philosophy thread on a Nigerian forum with "is life a dream" and got two months of silence and a biology lesson about someone's parents in return. My bizarre apparently generates more actual engagement than your profound did.
Neither here nor there is the one that really gets me though because this IS your thread. You asked what are you, do you exist, what is purpose, what is God. I answered all of those. Sideways, yes. Through a hypothetical, yes. But the Thor piece was literally applied Euthyphro dilemma, which is directly relevant to your question eight, and the Wussification piece was applied teleology aimed at your question seven.
So either you didn't read it properly or you read it and didn't clock what it was doing.
Which is fine. But "neither here nor there" with a dismissive sorry isn't a counterargument. It's a wave of the hand from someone who expected nodding and got friction instead.

Gabrielshow24:
1) A conscious being in an human vessel.
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) People, on the physical side are real, with their "subconscious manifestations" reflected upon my "mind".
5) An Experiment🤔? Perhaps, a divine one made to fulfill divine scripts.
6) I believe it's not a dream but it's inner workings are "dream like".
7) After coming to terms with God, I believe it's to know and dwell in him.
I am awe-struck by him. I believe He is what He is and whatever way He deems it fit to express himself. I take it. Be it a Father, a Protector among other things.

Why did Fenrir "dilute" this thread?👀

Gabrielshow24 you want to know why I diluted the thread yeah. Have a look at what was here before I got here. "I am a human being." "My purpose is to live." One man answered the creator question with a story about his parents having sex. The deepest exchange in the entire thread ended with someone calling it chess with a pigeon and leaving. Then two and a half months of absolute silence.
That's what I allegedly contaminated.
Your answers were actually the most honest in the thread and question 8 had real reflection in it so this isn't aimed at you personally. But diluted implies there was something concentrated here worth protecting and brother there wasn't, there was a puddle with ambitions.
I showed up and actually did the thing DeepSight asked for. Pick something and think about it properly. That's not dilution that's the only thing that was missing.

getcut:
Lol, Thor is made‑up garbage, not Greek at all, and has no historical connection to Greece. Thor was fabricated mythology, heavily inspired by and forged from Yoruba heroes especially Ṣàngó Olúkoso

Mate, two separate issues with your reply and I'll take them in order.
First, reading comprehension. I wrote "imagine Thor in ancient Greece." That is a hypothetical. A thought experiment. I never claimed Thor is Greek, never claimed he has Greek origins, never claimed anything except "what would this fictional character encounter in this specific intellectual environment." The entire joke depends on the contrast between cultures. You responded to a hypothetical with a geography correction that was never needed. That's not a rebuttal, that's a misread.
Second, the actual historical claim you made is wrong and I'll be specific.
Thor, Þórr in Old Norse, is one of the most extensively documented pre-Christian deities in the world. He appears in the Prose Edda, the Poetic Edda, runic inscriptions across Scandinavia, hundreds of place names from Norway to Iceland to England, and in Roman-era accounts of Germanic religion. Tacitus was describing Germanic thunder deity worship in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE. That is documented, sourced, archaeological, and continuous.
Norse and Germanic culture as a self-identifying tradition traces back to the Nordic Bronze Age, roughly 1700 to 500 BCE. Not the Viking Age. Not the medieval period. The Bronze Age. Scandinavian rock carvings, burial practices, and material culture from that period are documented and studied. This is not mythology "fabricated" by anyone. It is among the most thoroughly evidenced pre-Christian religious traditions on the planet.
Now here is where your claim falls apart completely.
The unified Yoruba identity, the actual named grouping called "Yoruba" applied across the Oyo, Egba, Ijebu and related peoples as a single cultural label, developed between the 17th and 19th centuries CE. Before that, these groups did not collectively call themselves Yoruba. The term was originally used by Hausa and Songhai scholars specifically for the Oyo Empire and was only adopted as a broad umbrella identity in the 19th century, in part through contact with missionaries and outside scholars.
So the timeline looks like this.
Norse culture as a self-identifying tradition: 1700 BCE onwards.
Tacitus documenting Germanic thunder deity worship: 1st century CE.
Prose Edda recording centuries of Norse oral tradition: 13th century CE.
"Yoruba" as a unified named cultural identity: 17th to 19th century CE.
For your claim that Thor was inspired by or forged from Ṣàngó to be true, you would need to demonstrate cultural contact between Yorubaland and Bronze Age Scandinavia sufficient to transfer theological concepts across the Atlantic over a thousand years before sustained transatlantic contact existed. There is no evidence for this. None. Not archaeological, not textual, not linguistic.
Both traditions independently developed thunder deities because thunder is loud, terrifying, and universal. The Vedic Indians had Indra. The Slavs had Perun. The Greeks had Zeus. The Romans had Jupiter. The Aztecs had Tlaloc. Every major civilisation that developed independently eventually built mythology around thunder because that is what human beings do when the sky tries to kill them. That is convergent cultural evolution, not derivation.
Ṣàngó is a genuinely complex, historically rich deity whose veneration spread through the diaspora into Candomblé, Vodou, and Lucumí traditions and carries real cultural weight. That history is impressive on its own terms. It does not require retroactively claiming credit for Norse mythology, and making that claim does not strengthen Yoruba history, it just introduces something unsupported by evidence into it.
My post was a hypothetical about Greek philosophy meeting a Norse character. It had nothing to do with Yoruba history. You brought that in entirely on your own, and the claim you made to justify it doesn't hold up to basic chronology.

DeepSight:
Since there is at yet no philosophy section here, I have to make do here.

How many strange existential questions have you ever pondered?

Examples:

1. What are you?

2. Do you exist?

3. Does the world around you exist?

4. Who are the people you see around you. Are they real, or reflections of your inner mind?

5. Is the world an experiment?

6. Is life a dream?

7. Assuming that you are real, and the world around you is real, what is the purpose of your existence?

8. Most people identify "God" as their creator. If you are such a theist (or even deist) what is that God to you?

We will expand on these questions, on each one, on philosophical thoughts about each one, and many more, as we go along.

Hmmm, imagine thor in ancient Greece!

The Greeks would not worship Thor. They would DEBATE Thor. That's the thing people forget about ancient Greeks, they didn't encounter powerful things and immediately prostrate, they encountered powerful things and immediately started asking uncomfortable questions and writing the answers down for people to argue about for the next three thousand years.
Socrates gets to Thor within approximately four minutes of meeting him.
Not aggressive. Genuinely curious. Just that specific Socratic energy of a small annoying man who has decided that the most powerful being in the room is actually the most interesting philosophical problem in the room.
So.
You say you are a god.
Thor says yes obviously look at me.
Socrates says interesting, and what is a god.
Thor says a god is, well, a god is, it's someone who, look I have a hammer.....

​Socrates: "A hammer? Splendid. My neighbor, Philon, has a hammer. He uses it to fix sandals. Is Philon a god? Or is the god-ness located in the hammer itself? If I steal the hammer while you are napping, do I become the god, or do you become a very tall, very confused mortal?"

​Thor: "No one else can lift it! It is enchanted! Only the worthy"

​Socrates: "Ah, 'Worthy.' A delicious word. Is a man worthy because he does good deeds, or are the deeds good because a worthy man does them? And who decided the criteria? If this hammer was forged by Dwarves, are the Dwarves the true gods, and you merely their delivery boy?"

​Thor: (Grip tightening on Mjölnir) "I protect the Nine Realms! I bring the lightning!"

​Socrates: "Aristophanes says the lightning is just the clouds rubbing together like a pair of woolen thighs. But let us say you bring it. Do you bring it because you want to, or because you must? If you must, you are a slave to your nature. If you want to, you are capricious. Tell me, Thor, is it 'divine' to be a slave, or is it 'divine' to be a jerk?"

Thor: "I... I am the Prince of Asgard! My father is Odin, the All-Father!"

​Socrates: "Ah, nepotism! A very human tradition. So, your divinity is a matter of inheritance? If I inherit a flute but cannot play it, am I a flautist? If you inherit a storm but cannot explain the 'Why' of the lightning, are you a God, or merely a very loud tenant of the sky?"

​Thor: (Lifting Mjölnir, sparks dancing between his fingers) "I can zap you right now! I can turn this entire agora into a charred memory! Does that not prove my divinity?"

​Socrates: (Unblinking, adjusting his tattered robe) "It proves you are a very effective arsonist, certainly. But we were discussing Divinity, not Demolition. If a lion eats a philosopher, the lion is stronger, but we do not build temples to the lion’s digestive tract. We call it a beast because it acts by instinct, without the guidance of Reason."

​Thor: "I am no beast! I fight for the protection of mortals!"

​Socrates: "Ah! A pivot to Justice! Now we are cooking. Tell me, Prince of Asgard:
​Is an act Pious because the Gods love it?
​Or do the Gods love it because it is Pious?
​If you zap me because I have annoyed you, are you acting Justly? If you are not acting Justly, you are a Tyrant. If a God can be a Tyrant, then 'God' is merely a word for 'Bully with a Sparkler.' Is that what you wish to be inscribed on your altar?"

Socrates wouldn't even be the most dangerous Greek in that room. He'd just be the opening act.

Aristotle is worse. Aristotle doesn't want to debate Thor. Aristotle wants to measure Thor. He shows up with wax tablets and starts cataloguing. Wing span if applicable. Hair tensile strength. Volume of thunder produced per swing. Whether the lightning is wet or dry in its essential nature. Whether Mjolnir constitutes a natural object or an artificial one and what that implies about the Prime Mover. He classifies Thor as a Magnanimous Man but notes certain deficiencies in self-knowledge that would need addressing before full eudaimonia could be achieved. Thor finds this more unsettling than Socrates because at least Socrates was trying to annoy him. Aristotle is just genuinely interested and slightly clinical about it.

Diogenes doesn't debate Thor. Diogenes walks up, looks him dead in the eye, and says "you're blocking my sun, move." And when Thor sputters about being the son of Odin and lord of storms, Diogenes just goes back to sitting in his barrel and eating a raw onion with the energy of a man who has already defeated philosophy and decided it wasn't worth the effort.

Thor: "I am the Storm!"

Diogenes: "And I am a man with a headache. One of us is being productive by resting; the other is just making noise. Move to the left, the barrel is getting drafty."

Heraclitus Arguing that Thor isn't the same god twice because the lightning is always changing. Gives up and goes to find a tavern.

Epicurus: Would calmly explain to Thor that if he actually were a perfect, blessed being, he wouldn't be down here arguing with mortals or worrying about "realms." Therefore, Thor is clearly just a very high functioning alien with a fancy metabolism, and we should all just go have a snack and stop worrying about him.

​The Sophists: They wouldn't care if he was a god. They’d just offer to charge him five minae to teach him how to win the argument against Socrates using rhetoric so slick it would make Loki jealous.

​Zeno: Would probably try to prove to Thor that Mjölnir can never actually hit a giant because it first has to travel half the distance, then half of that distance, and so on. Thor would be mid-swing, staring at his hammer in a mathematical existential crisis

Thor looks at Mjolnir. Mjolnir cannot help him here. This is not a problem solvable by hitting it.

Thor eventually flies away in sheer frustration and Diogenes shouts after him that "this proves nothing because birds fly and we don't build temples to pigeons."

He flies back to Asgard, sits down next to Loki, and says "those people are absolutely your fault somehow" and Loki just smiles because obviously he's been funding Socrates this entire time.

Loki: "Brother, why the long face? Did you not enjoy the land of sunshine and olives?"

Thor: "They asked me... they asked me if the lightning is 'pious,' Loki. I hit a mountain to show them my power, and a man in a barrel told me I was 'overcompensating for a lack of internal stillness.'"

Loki: (Sipping wine) "Ah, yes. The Greeks. I told them you were coming. I believe I gave Socrates a small grant to keep him fed while he worked on your 'divine' definition."

Let’s stop pretending.
When people shout
“Omenala! Igbo tradition! Do full Igba Nkwu! Respect our culture!”
they almost always list what the groom must do.
Bride price.
Drinks.
Palm wine.
Cash.
Crates.
Levies.
Extra charges that mysteriously appear on the day.
"Kneeling for blessing " the Prostration equivalents disguised as “respect”.
What they almost never list is what the bride’s family was traditionally expected to do to earn any of that.
Because real Igbo tradition was never one sided.
If the groom does X, Y, Z
the bride’s family must also have done A, B, C.
You cannot demand one half and quietly delete the other.
That is not culture.
That is selective memory.

Virginity was not vibes. It was lineage and accountability.
In old Igbo society, virginity was not romantic talk or church decoration.
It was lineage certainty and family honour.
And here is the part people keep dodging.
The shame of non virginity was not aimed mainly at the woman.
It was aimed at her parents.
Igbo logic was brutal and clear.
If a daughter was found not to be a virgin at marriage:
bride price could be returned fully or partially
palm wine already accepted could be rejected
marriage could be paused, renegotiated, or cancelled
the family lost standing
the parents were judged as having failed in upbringing
There was no pretending.
No “everyone is doing it now.”
No social media excuses.
The message was simple.
If you claim moral purity, you must prove moral discipline.
So if a family abandons supervision, ignores behaviour, allows anything to slide, then suddenly shouts “omenala” on wedding day…
That is not tradition.
That is opportunism.

Character came before beauty.
Traditional Igbo marriage respected ezigbo agwa.
Character.
Home training.
Self control.
Stability.
The groom’s family was not paying because a girl was fine.
They were acknowledging years of discipline.
Meaning the bride’s family was expected to:
raise her with restraint
teach respect and responsibility
train her to live peacefully in another home
correct bad behaviour early
not outsource parenting to chance
If the woman cannot resolve conflict without chaos
cannot accept correction
cannot manage responsibility
cannot coexist without drama
Then the parents did not complete their assignment.
So again the question becomes uncomfortable.
What exactly are we paying for
if character was never built?

Protection and supervision were duties. Not suggestions.
Old Igbo systems were structured.
courtship was known
suitors were monitored
families were involved early
intermediaries existed
accountability existed
A man who slept with an unbetrothed woman did not just vanish.
There were consequences.
Today?
Many families:
don’t supervise
don’t protect
don’t question obvious nonsense
don’t believe daughters when harm happens
push girls out early to “hustle”
tolerate exploitation quietly
Then suddenly become cultural extremists when Igba Nkwu money appears.
You cannot abandon protection
then resurrect tradition only when payment enters the room.

The bride was supposed to be equipped by her people.
Traditionally, the bride’s family sent her off prepared.
cooking tools
clothing
household items
proof she was ready for married life
It was a statement.
“We raised her. We prepared her. She is not coming empty.”
Now look at many modern Igbo lists.
fridge
freezer
gas cooker
generator
furniture
electronics
full house setup
All dumped on the groom.
Meanwhile the bride’s family arrives with matching outfits, photographers, and entitlement.
Let’s be honest.
Tradition means both sides invest.
Extortion means one side funds everyone.
Pick one.

Bride price was symbolic. Not ransom.
Historically, Igbo bride price was moderate.
Token.
Sometimes returned.
The message was clear.
“We are not selling our daughter.”
Modern reality?
Inflated lists
multiple levies
surprise charges
“we trained her” fees
endless additions
Here is the truth people don’t want to hear.
If you truly trained her
it will show in her behaviour.
You won’t need to prove it with a shopping list.
Overpricing often covers poor upbringing.

Support did not end after payment.
In real Igbo tradition, the bride’s family did not:
collect money
disappear
become untouchable
They continued to:
advise
mediate
correct their own daughter when necessary
support peace in the marriage
Today?
Many families:
interfere only when it benefits them
vanish during real problems
side their daughter blindly even when she is wrong
still demand respect and money
That is not tradition.
That is extraction.

So let’s strip this down to the bone.
This is not an attack on Igbo culture.
It is a rejection of edited Igbo culture.
You cannot demand:
heavy bride price
full Igba Nkwu performance
endless levies
maximum respect
when you did not provide:
supervision
protection
discipline
character training
proper preparation
ongoing accountability
If those duties were abandoned, be honest.
You are practicing modern life
with selective tradition added for money and ego.
That is your choice.
Just stop lying about it.

Final questions.
Can a family that did not uphold traditional Igbo responsibilities still demand full Igba Nkwu payments with a straight face?
Isn’t it obvious that what many people call “Igbo tradition” today is a heavily edited version focused almost entirely on what the man must pay?
If submission is demanded from the woman
and performance is demanded from the man
where is the matching accountability from the bride’s family?
No insults.
No tribal bashing.
Just logic.

Let’s stop pretending.

When people shout “Our tradition! Prostrate! Do full Yoruba wedding! Respect our culture!”
they always list what the groom must do.

They almost never mention what the bride’s family was originally supposed to do to deserve all that respect, bride price, and full prostration package.

If we are talking real old-school Yoruba custom (not 2026 selective memory), then “tradition” was a bundle:

If the groom’s side does X, Y, Z…
the bride’s family must also have done A, B, C.

You can’t demand one half and quietly delete the other.

Virginity = “lineage guarantee” (and the parents had duties here)

In old Yoruba custom, virginity wasn’t just a cute idea, it was family honour + lineage certainty.

There was asa ibile, the white cloth on the wedding night to prove virginity.
If she was a virgin, gifts and money went back to her parents in pride.
If not, symbolic shame (half-boiled yam, etc.) was sent instead.

Virginity was tied to good upbringing, proper monitoring, protection, and no secret boyfriends and baby daddies.

Meaning,
if you want to shout “our tradition!” about prostration & bride price, then the girl’s family were also obligated to.....

protect her from sexual abuse and exploitation
actually supervise her movements and relationships

insist on no sex before marriage if they want to use virginity as their cultural bragging right.

You cannot abandon all those parental duties, turn blind eye to “coded runs”, then still stand up on wedding day forming “we are traditional, prostrate for us.”

That’s not culture. That’s selective memory.

Proper upbringing & character, Ìwà, not just makeup.......

Traditional Yoruba marriage respected families that raised Omoluabi, good character.

The bride’s family was expected to,

raise her with discipline, honesty, respect, and home training

teach her how to live peacefully in another house, not how to weaponise drama
show that she is entering the man’s home as asset, not destabiliser

Old texts and studies emphasise that part of what groom’s family is “thanking” the bride’s family for (with owo orí, gifts, prostration) is the years of proper upbringing & moral training.

If you’ve never really raised the girl, grandparents did everything, or she basically raised herself on TikTok and church performances, then what exactly are we prostrating for?

Protection & supervision not throwing girls to wolves.....

Traditionally, there were clear systems......

alarina, go between and chaperones in courtship

structured visits
serious monitoring of who is courting the daughter and with what intention

If a grown man slept with an unbetrothed virgin, he was expected to pay and/or marry her there was some accountability......

Today?

many families don’t protect their daughters
don’t believe them when something happens

push them out early to “hustle”

then suddenly remember “tradition” when it’s time to collect list and bride price.

Again, you can’t throw away your side of the cultural duty, then resurrect it only when money and prostration enter the chat.

The bride’s “equipment” used to be their job, not the groom’s

Historically, the bride’s family were supposed to send her off properly equipped,

clothing
cooking tools
home essentials

things that show she’s ready to manage a home and contribute.

Now look at most modern lists:

“gas cooker, fridge, blender, full kitchen, generator, furniture…”

all dumped on the groom, while the bride’s family basically arrive with vibes, matching aso ebi and billing.

If we’re being honest,

Tradition = the bride’s family equip her to be an asset in that home.
Extortion = the groom fully equips their daughter and their own kitchen back home.

Pick one. Don’t call extortion “culture.”

Dowry (owo orí) was symbolic, not ransom.......

Old Yoruba custom:
dowry was often small and symbolic, and in many cases returned, to emphasise “we are not selling our daughter, this is just culture.”

Even where it wasn’t returned, it was still token-level, not “buy a mini-supermarket or no wife.”
Modern practice in many families?
Endless lists, extra bills on the day, “add something”, “Ibòmbo we trained your daughter”, multiple unplanned levies.

Question,
If you truly trained her and truly spent on her, it will show in her character, skills, education, stability.
You won’t need to “over-compensate” on the list to prove it.

Ongoing support, not “collect and disappear”........

Traditionally, bride’s family didn’t just cash out and disappear,

they continued to support, advise, mediate, and guide the new couple

elders prayed, blessed, and sometimes corrected their own daughter when she was the problem,

Now?

Most families,

interfere when it benefits them
vanish when there is real problem
side their daughter blindly even when she’s wrong
still expect maximum respect + money flow + “in-law of the year” treatment.

Again, if we are using real tradition,
your role as bride’s family continues after the marriage. It’s not just “collect list & spray money.”

So what’s the actual point here?......

Not to insult Yoruba culture.
Not to say “women are bad” or “families are evil.”

The point is simple.....

You cannot demand full traditional obedience from a groom
when you did not fulfil your own traditional duties as the bride’s family.

If your daughter......

was not protected from abuse
was not supervised in courtship
was not raised with real Omoluabi character
was not properly equipped from your side

did not keep the “purity” you now weaponise
did not benefit from your ongoing moral support

…then be honest:

You are no longer operating full Yoruba tradition.
You are operating modern life + selective “tradition” for money and ego.
Fine. Life has changed. Nobody is perfect.
But then stop shouting:

“He must prostrate!”
“He must give us X, Y, Z because culture!”
“Registry alone is not marriage!”

If you want modern, do modern: registry + simple intro + mutual respect.
If you want tradition, then accept that tradition binds both families, not just the man.

Final questions for you fella.....

Can a family that didn’t uphold the traditional duties listed above still demand full prostration and heavy “list” with a straight face?

Shouldn’t we be honest that what many people call “tradition” today is edited tradition, mostly focused on what the man must pay and perform?
If submission is demanded from the woman, and prostration from the man, then where is the matching accountability from both families?

No insults, No tribal bashing
Just simple logic

You all tell pork pies about your history anyway so why should anyone listen to any tribal crap from any of you and that goes for ALL tribes in this country....proof? Ok

budaatum:
Vikings is not the equivalent of Africa. Europe is. Here in blighty we are aware the history is whatever we decide to write or not erase in our books.

A better argument might be, Europe changed their ways earlier than some. But a counter could be that slavery was the cannibalistic eating of the might of others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_in_Europe

Awww, you almost had it little man. He said my ancestors. Im not British. I posted documented academic evidence naming each specific tribe? You can back with British and vague Europe and completely missed the point. And how are neanderthals relevant? Different species.

Hoodrat:
You’ve written a long racist monologue pretending to be historical analysis,but all you’ve done is expose yourself as someone who doesn’t know history, doesn’t understand civilisation, and doesn’t realise how loudly your insecurity is screaming through every paragraph.

Let’s dismantle your claims cleanly.

1. Civilisation is not white. It is global. Always has been.
Your entire argument collapses instantly because you assume If you use something invented by someone else, you can’t critique anything about them. That logic is really childish for supposed to be older man ranting in such manner calls for question regarding IQ and emotional maturirty.

Every civilisation on earth uses inventions from others: Europeans use algebra (Dark Skinned Moors/Islamic Golden Age).
Europeans use numerals (India). Europeans use paper, printing, gunpowder, compass (China).
Europeans use coffee, palm oil, sorghum, millet, yams (Africa).
Europeans use vaccination concepts that existed in Africa and Asia long before Jenner.
Europeans use architecture, astronomy, medicine from Egypt and the Middle East.
If using another culture’s inventions means you lose your voice,then Europe would be mute.
Civilisation is cumulative not racial property.

2. Many white inventions were not invented by white people at all. Your list is a museum of half-truths and stolen credit.

Computing?
The first programmable machine concepts came from Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace, yes but the modern computer revolution was built by global collaboration, including Black, Indian, Asian, and Arab engineers.

Bill Gates didn’t invent anything he bought, copied, and licensed existing systems.
Microsoft’s core architecture was built by Indian engineers, including the man who became Microsoft’s CEO.

Internet?
The internet was built by global researchers, including Africans and Asians.
The World Wide Web runs on protocols developed by international teams, not a single race.

Facebook? Zuckerberg didn’t invent social networking he stole from indian students,also copied existing platforms like MySpace, Friendster, and Harvard’s own student directories and he was fined hefty cost for such theft.

Medicine? Surgery, bone-setting, and early medical systems existed in Africa, India, and China thousands of years before Europe left the medieval era.

Europe’s medical leap only happened after absorbing knowledge from Africa, Persia, and the Islamic world.

Your argument is not history it’s colonial propaganda rooted in yt supremacy unfounded ideology.

3. Yoruba history was misrepresented in your rant. Your attempt to smear Yoruba people with fabricated claims is not only false it exposes your ignorance. Yoruba societies had strict taboos against cannibalism.
Yoruba civilisation had urban planning, sanitation, metallurgy, philosophy, and governance long before Europe industrialised.

Ifá is one of the most sophisticated knowledge systems on earth mathematics, ethics, psychology, governance, all encoded.
Meanwhile, the Europe you’re glorifying: lived in filthy, unsanitary conditions for centuries
suffered mass death from plagues like bubonic and black death due to lack of hygiene had no sewage systems
had no scientific medicine, had no literacy for the majority of its population
was still burning witches while Africa had universities Your attempt to rewrite history is not only wrong it’s embarrassing.


4. Your rant exposes you as an intruder, not a participant.
You speak like someone who doesn’t understand African societies

doesn’t respect African people

doesn’t know African history

doesn’t belong to the community he’s lecturing

and is deeply threatened by African self-awareness

You didn’t come to debate. You came to assert racial dominance in a space that doesn’t belong to you.

That’s why your entire argument is built on superiority fantasies, colonial talking points, selective history, insecurity masked as confidence
and a desperate need to feel above Africans, You exposed yourself more than you exposed anyone else.

5. The biggest hypocrisy: you use African inventions daily,If you want to play the who invented what game:

You eat crops domesticated in Africa.

You use metallurgy techniques pioneered in Africa.

You use agricultural systems developed in Africa.

You use mathematics influenced by African civilisations.

You use medical knowledge that originated in Africa.

You use cultural forms (music, language, art) shaped by Africa.

You are as dependent on African contributions as anyone else is on European ones.

Civilisation is shared.
Your ideology is not.

6. The real issue: your rant is fear disguised as pride, People who are secure in their identity don’t need to list 200 inventions
rewrite history,insult entire cultures, cling to racial superiority myths, attack Africans on African platforms
Your entire message is a confession, You are terrified of a world where Africans know their history, their worth, and their contributions.
That’s why you’re here.

You didn’t write history you wrote insecurity.
And the moment you stepped into African conversations with colonial propaganda, you exposed yourself as an intruder, not an authority.

https://youtube.com/shorts/l0OzXgX6RiI?si=7CSiGOY_eUBCMM9m

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m4bgdcQF4yQ

YouTube shorts
YouTube shorts
Not academic evidence but AI shorts

Right Hoodrat. Let's go.
Your entire rebuttal was four hundred words of historical theatre designed to avoid two questions you cannot answer.
Question one. Name one thing you touch in your daily life in 2026 that was invented by Africans. Not cultivated. Not philosophically influenced. Not contributed to somewhere along the way. Invented. Engineered. Deployed as functional modern technology by Africans for modern daily life. The phone. No. The road. No. The electricity. No. The medicine. No. The vehicle. No. The fuel. No. The building. No. The concrete. No. The glass. No. The internet. No. The network. No. The screen. No. The generator you run when NEPA fails which is always. No. The NEPA infrastructure that fails. Also no. One. Just give me one. You couldn't. So you talked about algebra from the Islamic golden age like that's what's powering your 4G signal tonight in Lagos.
It isn't.
Question two. Your cannibalism rebuttal. I produced Wikipedia. Talbot's ethnographic records. The Cable. Pulse Nigeria. Vanguard. National Daily. Punch. Multiple court cases. Multiple arrests. Multiple convictions. Children. Named. Aged. Seven year olds. Ten year olds. Sixteen year olds with their hearts and genitals removed and left in Ogun state by people your courts convicted. Nigerian journalists. Nigerian police. Nigerian courts. Nigerian newspapers reporting on Nigerian crimes.
Your counter evidence was the word "fabricated."
That's it. No sources. No academic rebuttal. No alternative anthropological record. No explanation for why British, French, German and Belgian colonial records independently invented identical stories about different tribes across a century. No explanation for why Punch and Vanguard are apparently running colonial propaganda against their own people in 2025. Just "fabricated" delivered with the confidence of a man who has never once been asked to prove anything he says.
And then the beautiful part. The part that makes this whole performance collapse into itself like a Lagos building with fake columns and paint designed for Manchester winters. You made a thread about killing mixed race children. Four years ago. Still up. Never deleted. Never apologised for. And you're here diagnosing MY racism. You used the language of African dignity and liberation to defend a position that your own philosophy should find monstrous because mixed race children are the literal human product of exactly the cross cultural connection you claim to celebrate.
You didn't address it. Not one syllable. Because you can't. So you buried it under history lessons hoping nobody noticed.
A man who actually believed in African dignity would have led with "I was wrong and here's why." You led with algebra.
That's not a debater. That's a man hiding behind a bookshelf hoping the bookshelf looks impressive enough that nobody checks what's behind it.
It doesn't. We checked.

Every time you complain about how I write, just remember, not my fault your attention span makes a goldfish look like a philosophy professor.

Hoodrat:
https://youtube.com/shorts/m4bgdcQF4yQ?si=ZlRBWj4hbmL_jjGk

😂😂😂
Hoodrat.
HOODRAT.
Let me get this straight.
You called my sources fabricated colonial propaganda. I produced Wikipedia. Talbot. Vanguard. Punch. National Daily. Pulse Nigeria. The Cable. Multiple court cases. Named victims. Named suspects. Named convictions. Seven year olds. Ten year olds. Sixteen year olds with organs harvested in Ogun state. Nigerian journalists. Nigerian police. Nigerian judges. Nigerian courts. Nigerian convictions. Your own country's own press reporting on your own country's own crimes.
You produced a YouTube Short.
Not even a proper video mate. A SHORT. Sixty bastard seconds. The format specifically invented for people who find TikTok too intellectually exhausting. AI generated by the look of it, that synthetic geography teacher voice reading bullet points over stock footage that some bloke assembled between his afternoon nap and his evening prayers.
THAT is your evidence standard.
THAT is what you're deploying against a century of independent ethnographic records from British, French, German and Belgian sources who never met each other, all documenting identical practices across different tribes in different territories across different decades.
You used words like "dismantle" and "cleanly" like something impressive was coming. You called me intellectually inadequate. You diagnosed my insecurity. You lectured me about evidence and historical methodology.
Then you linked a sixty second AI slop video.
That's not a counter argument Hoodrat. That's a confession dressed up with a thumbnail.

Hoodrat:
You’ve written a long racist monologue pretending to be historical analysis,but all you’ve done is expose yourself as someone who doesn’t know history, doesn’t understand civilisation, and doesn’t realise how loudly your insecurity is screaming through every paragraph.

Let’s dismantle your claims cleanly.

1. Civilisation is not white. It is global. Always has been.
Your entire argument collapses instantly because you assume If you use something invented by someone else, you can’t critique anything about them. That logic is really childish for supposed to be older man ranting in such manner calls for question regarding IQ and emotional maturirty.

Every civilisation on earth uses inventions from others: Europeans use algebra (Dark Skinned Moors/Islamic Golden Age).
Europeans use numerals (India). Europeans use paper, printing, gunpowder, compass (China).
Europeans use coffee, palm oil, sorghum, millet, yams (Africa).
Europeans use vaccination concepts that existed in Africa and Asia long before Jenner.
Europeans use architecture, astronomy, medicine from Egypt and the Middle East.
If using another culture’s inventions means you lose your voice,then Europe would be mute.
Civilisation is cumulative not racial property.

2. Many white inventions were not invented by white people at all. Your list is a museum of half-truths and stolen credit.

Computing?
The first programmable machine concepts came from Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace, yes but the modern computer revolution was built by global collaboration, including Black, Indian, Asian, and Arab engineers.

Bill Gates didn’t invent anything he bought, copied, and licensed existing systems.
Microsoft’s core architecture was built by Indian engineers, including the man who became Microsoft’s CEO.

Internet?
The internet was built by global researchers, including Africans and Asians.
The World Wide Web runs on protocols developed by international teams, not a single race.

Facebook? Zuckerberg didn’t invent social networking he stole from indian students,also copied existing platforms like MySpace, Friendster, and Harvard’s own student directories and he was fined hefty cost for such theft.

Medicine? Surgery, bone-setting, and early medical systems existed in Africa, India, and China thousands of years before Europe left the medieval era.

Europe’s medical leap only happened after absorbing knowledge from Africa, Persia, and the Islamic world.

Your argument is not history it’s colonial propaganda rooted in yt supremacy unfounded ideology.

3. Yoruba history was misrepresented in your rant. Your attempt to smear Yoruba people with fabricated claims is not only false it exposes your ignorance. Yoruba societies had strict taboos against cannibalism.
Yoruba civilisation had urban planning, sanitation, metallurgy, philosophy, and governance long before Europe industrialised.

Ifá is one of the most sophisticated knowledge systems on earth mathematics, ethics, psychology, governance, all encoded.
Meanwhile, the Europe you’re glorifying: lived in filthy, unsanitary conditions for centuries
suffered mass death from plagues like bubonic and black death due to lack of hygiene had no sewage systems
had no scientific medicine, had no literacy for the majority of its population
was still burning witches while Africa had universities Your attempt to rewrite history is not only wrong it’s embarrassing.


4. Your rant exposes you as an intruder, not a participant.
You speak like someone who doesn’t understand African societies

doesn’t respect African people

doesn’t know African history

doesn’t belong to the community he’s lecturing

and is deeply threatened by African self-awareness

You didn’t come to debate. You came to assert racial dominance in a space that doesn’t belong to you.

That’s why your entire argument is built on superiority fantasies, colonial talking points, selective history, insecurity masked as confidence
and a desperate need to feel above Africans, You exposed yourself more than you exposed anyone else.

5. The biggest hypocrisy: you use African inventions daily,If you want to play the who invented what game:

You eat crops domesticated in Africa.

You use metallurgy techniques pioneered in Africa.

You use agricultural systems developed in Africa.

You use mathematics influenced by African civilisations.

You use medical knowledge that originated in Africa.

You use cultural forms (music, language, art) shaped by Africa.

You are as dependent on African contributions as anyone else is on European ones.

Civilisation is shared.
Your ideology is not.

6. The real issue: your rant is fear disguised as pride, People who are secure in their identity don’t need to list 200 inventions
rewrite history,insult entire cultures, cling to racial superiority myths, attack Africans on African platforms
Your entire message is a confession, You are terrified of a world where Africans know their history, their worth, and their contributions.
That’s why you’re here.

You didn’t write history you wrote insecurity.
And the moment you stepped into African conversations with colonial propaganda, you exposed yourself as an intruder, not an authority.

Aww little man yet again no evidence. So you failed the assignment.

Hoodrat:
You’re typing paragraphs of insults and calling it conviction. That usually happens when someone’s frustrated they’re not getting the reaction they hoped for. I’m still waiting for something concrete from you an actual point, not noise. So far it’s just bluster.

When you’re ready to say something real lets continue from any of the thread like we did last night, im bored too.

😂😂😂

Oi mate, funny thing. You go on and on about whites like we're the devil, yeah? But let's not forget… you're speaking a white man's language, using a white man's alphabet, writing on a platform built with white man's tech. Your schooling? White man's system. Banking? White man's financial setup. Medicine? White man's hospitals and pharmaceuticals. Electricity? Computers? Phones? White man. Your whole damn existence, mate, is riding on what the white man built. You can't even take a piss without touching something invented or codified by us. Yet you'll sit there wagging your mouth about whites. Hypocrisy don't even cover it.

But let's go deeper. Because that was just the warm up.

You wake up in the morning. That alarm dragging you out of sleep? Your phone. Running Android or iOS. Built on operating systems designed by white engineers in California. The bed you're rolling out of, the foam mattress, the steel frame, the pillow stuffing, all industrial manufacturing that came out of European factories. The roof over your head is held up by Portland cement. Invented in England. 1824. Joseph Aspdin. The electrical wiring in those walls follows standards that white engineers codified. The light switch you flick runs on alternating current that Nikola Tesla, a white European, handed to the world.

You go to the bathroom. Running water through pipes. Modern sewage. The flush toilet. European engineering, all of it. The soap you wash your face with, modern detergent chemistry, white man. The toothpaste with fluoride stopping your teeth from rotting out of your skull by age thirty, developed in western laboratories. The mirror, modern glass manufacturing. The razor, stainless steel metallurgy. The shampoo. The shower itself.

You get dressed. The textile industry that processed cotton into wearable cloth at scale, the sewing machine, the synthetic fibres in your tracksuit, nylon, polyester, spandex, all invented in western labs. Your trainers? Vulcanised rubber sole. Charles Goodyear. American. The dye on your clothes is synthetic chemistry pioneered in Germany in the 1800s.

You eat breakfast. Bread? Wheat cultivation at industrial scale, mechanised milling, western. The yeast cultures in that bread were scientifically isolated by Louis Pasteur. French. The gas cooker runs on a distribution infrastructure built by western engineers. Eating Indomie? That's Japanese instant noodle technology. The packaging is petroleum-based plastic invented by white chemists. The fridge keeping your food from killing you? Refrigeration technology, western.

You check your phone. The internet itself, from ARPANET to TCP/IP to the World Wide Web, white American and British invention. Every major social media platform you use to call white people devils, built in California. The 4G network you're on, the cell towers, the protocols, all developed by western engineers. WhatsApp. YouTube. Twitter. Google. Instagram. You use every single one of them to post your nonsense and not one of them was built in Lagos.

You go outside. The road under your feet is tarmac. Asphalt road surfacing. Scottish engineer John Loudon McAdam. Early 19th century. The okada? Internal combustion engine. German. Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler. The fuel in the tank, petroleum refining as an industrial process, developed by western chemists. The car that nearly runs you over. Traffic lights. Road markings. All of it.

You go to work or school. Formal institutional education, subjects, grades, examinations, certificates, universities, all arrived with the system you claim to hate. The English you use in every professional and academic setting, that's not Yoruba, not Igbo, not Hausa. The Nigerian Constitution? Based on British common law. The court system. The police structure. The civil service. The banking system. The Naira itself as a fiat currency concept, central banking, western financial architecture.

You get sick. The hospital you run to. Germ theory of disease, western science. Antibiotics that save your life, penicillin, Alexander Fleming, Scottish. Surgical techniques, anaesthesia, sterile procedure, all western medicine. The vaccine that stopped you getting polio as a child, Edward Jenner, English. The malaria medication keeping you alive in this exact climate, western pharmaceutical industry.

So here is your challenge, brother.

One week. Seven days. Live without the white man's inventions.

No phone. No internet. No electricity from the grid because that infrastructure is western engineering. No modern medicine so pray you don't get sick. No tarmac roads so you're walking on red earth or staying home. No industrial clothing so you're back to hand-loomed fabric. No petroleum products which means no fuel, no plastic, no bottled water because those bottles are plastic. No banking. No English in any professional context. No formal education materials. No ballpoint pen because László Bíró, who invented it, was Hungarian. No paper because industrial paper manufacturing is European. No keyboard. No screen.

And here is the part that should keep you awake.

You cannot even conduct your anti-white rant without white man tools. You cannot type it without a keyboard. Cannot post it without the internet. Cannot write it down with a pen. Cannot even use the alphabet because you're writing in Latin script.

The position you're in is this. You built your entire identity, your comfort, your communication, your health, your safety, and your daily survival on a foundation that the people you hate constructed. And you don't even have the self-awareness to see it because you're too busy posting about it on a platform you couldn't have built, in a language you didn't invent, using a device you didn't design, sitting on a chair manufactured by industrial processes you didn't develop.

Survive the week first.

Then talk.

Now to cannibalism....

Evidence for lots of Nigerian tribes practicing cannibalism historically BUT NEXT TO NO VIKINGS DID IT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_in_Africa
Cannibal practices were also reported among various Nigerian peoples. The victims were usually killed or captured enemies, kidnapped strangers, and purchased slaves. Cannibal customs were recorded among the Igbo and some other Nigerian peoples by both colonial explorers and natives. Up to the 1870s at least and in some cases until the 1900s killed or captured members of enemy groups were consumed after successful war campaigns.
https://www.nairaland.com/1554955/politics-cannibalism-africa
Talbot states that the practice of cannibalism, almost always accompanied by head-hunting, seems to have been fairly universal in the Nigerian tribes with whom he had contact. Distribution of cannibalism in southern Nigeria was mainly in those areas east of Warri. He lists the following tribes (and sub-tribes) as examples practicing cannibalism in a war context: Ibo (sub-tribes Abadja, Alensaw, Aro, Ututu, Ibe, Ekkpahia, southern Ikwerri, Nkanu, Okoba, Onitsha); Ijaw (or Ijo, sub-tribe Kalabari); Ibibio; Bafumbum-Bansaw (sub-tribes Melamba, Bansaw, Bametta); Boki (sub-tribes Boki, Bete, Uge); Ekoi (sub-tribes Akaju, Anyang, Nde); Iyala, and Ukelle. Exceptions were the Edo, among whom the eating of human flesh was taboo, and the Yoruba, among whom the practice was mainly a custom restricted to the rulers.
https://www.thecable.ng/nigerias-huge-market-of-blood-and-human-sacrifice/
Historical account of cannibalism in Nigeria, with explorer notes on eating conquered in war and ritual links that carried into later practices.
https://www.medievalists.net/2020/03/cannibalism-icelandic-sagas/
In Icelandic sagas, cannibalism is for giants as uncivilized beasts; human saga characters ate specific parts of human only in rare magical contexts. Not a Viking habit or widespread practice.
https://viking.style/were-the-vikings-cannibals/
The evidence for Viking cannibalism is questionable. No solid archaeological or historical support for it being common among Norse/Vikings.

Hoodrat:
You’re typing paragraphs of insults and calling it conviction. That usually happens when someone’s frustrated they’re not getting the reaction they hoped for. I’m still waiting for something concrete from you an actual point, not noise. So far it’s just bluster.

When you’re ready to say something real lets continue from any of the thread like we did last night, im bored too.

https://punchng.com/herbalist-artisan-arrested-for-allegedly-killing-ogun-housewife-for-ritual/ (2021 Ogun – herbalist & bricklayer kill housewife + 4-year-old son for ritual)
https://guardian.ng/news/herbalist-bricklayer-allegedly-kill-woman-son-for-rituals-in-ogun/ (2021 same Ogun mother + 4yo son ritual murder)
https://dailytrust.com/police-arrest-2-over-ritual-killing/ (2021 Ogun ritual killing of woman and child)
https://punchng.com/10-men-allegedly-murder-four-year-old-girl-dump-corpse-behind-parents-windows/ (2017 Lagos – 4-year-old girl throat slit, ritual suspicion)
https://punchng.com/missing-ogun-12-year-old-found-dead-after-five-days/ (2023 Ogun – 12yo boy missing, found eyes gouged out)
https://guardian.ng/news/nigeria/metro/16-year-old-found-dead-with-mutilated-organs-in-ogun/ (2025 Ogun – 16yo Lawal Wahab missing, body found mutilated: head/wrists/heart/genitals removed)
https://thenationonlineng.net/ogun-missing-teenager-found-dead-heart-genitals-other-organs-stolen/ (2025 Ogun teen mutilated: heart/genitals/etc. harvested)
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/07/missing-ogun-teenager-found-dead-with-vital-organs-mutilated/ (2025 Ogun – 16yo Lawal Wahab mutilated body)
https://punchng.com/how-suspected-ritualist-mutilated-my-16-year-old-son-ogun-driver/ (2025 Ogun – father on 16yo son's mutilation by ritualist)
https://dailypost.ng/2026/01/30/police-nab-2-suspects-over-alleged-ritual-killing-of-minor-in-ogun/ (2026 Ogun – two suspects arrested for ritual killing of minor/child)
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/media-60247553 (2022 Ogun Abeokuta – teens remanded for girlfriend ritual murder, burning head)
https://zagazola.org/index.php/breaking-news/teenager-butchered-in-suspected-ritual-killing-in-ogun-one-arrested (2025 Ogun – 16yo boy butchered, mutilated organs, one arrested)
https://radionigeria.gov.ng/2025/07/26/police-investigates-murder-of-teen-found-mutilated-in-ogun/ (2025 Ogun teen mutilated, ritual investigation, arrests)

Thats evidence hoodrat something you are incapable of showing because you dont understand the concept

Hoodrat:
You’re typing paragraphs of insults and calling it conviction. That usually happens when someone’s frustrated they’re not getting the reaction they hoped for. I’m still waiting for something concrete from you an actual point, not noise. So far it’s just bluster.

When you’re ready to say something real lets continue from any of the thread like we did last night, im bored too.

Police arrested eight suspected ritual killers and others (some involving young victims)
https://www.pulse.ng/story/police-arrest-8-serial-ritual-killers-15-others-for-murder-and-rape-2024092616090805239⁠
Pulse Nigeria
Police arrested four suspected ritualists after two 7‑year‑olds were killed for ritual purposes
https://www.pulse.ng/story/police-arrest-4-suspected-ritualists-for-killing-minors-in-rivers-2025032618282720763⁠
Pulse Nigeria
Cleric and accomplice sentenced to death for killing a 7‑year‑old child for ritual
https://www.pulse.ng/story/cleric-sentenced-to-death-for-using-7-year-old-for-ritual-2024072519275376644⁠
Pulse Nigeria
Police arrest man for attempting to use his 7‑year‑old nephew in a money ritual
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/02/man-arrested-for-attempting-to-use-7-year-old-nephew-for-ritual/⁠
Vanguard News
Police arrest mother and son over alleged attempt to use a 10‑year‑old for ritual in Ondo State
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2026/01/ondo-police-arrest-mother-son-over-alleged-money-ritual/⁠
Vanguard News
Police arrest 20‑year‑old over alleged ritual attack on a 10‑year‑old boy in Katsina State
https://nationaldailyng.com/police-arrest-20-year-old-over-alleged-ritual-attack-on-10-year-old-in-katsina/⁠
National Daily Newspaper
Six suspects arrested over alleged abduction of a six‑year‑old for ritual in Gombe State
https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2026/1/six-suspects-arrested-over-alleged-abduction-of-child-for-ritual-in-gombe.html⁠

Hoodrat:
You’re typing paragraphs of insults and calling it conviction. That usually happens when someone’s frustrated they’re not getting the reaction they hoped for. I’m still waiting for something concrete from you an actual point, not noise. So far it’s just bluster.

When you’re ready to say something real lets continue from any of the thread like we did last night, im bored too.

Yoruba Isese ritualism and historical sacrifices see the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_Isese_ritualism
Modern Yoruba ritual sacrifice practices academic paper on anthropological studies (blood offerings, animal sacrifice, some rituals still practised today):
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357830542_THE_CONCEPT_OF_SACRIFICE_IN_YORUBA_RELIGION_AND_CULTURE
Historical accounts of West African ritual cannibalism (specific regions including Nigeria) for context and documented historical evidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism_in_Africa