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Politics › Re: We Should Bring Back The Monarchy System To Nigeria by Fenrir(m): 1:31am On Feb 05

Kemetian:
A monarchy can work if it's planned properly and with patience. FIRST, you need to change the name Nigeria. Create an indigenous-sounding name along the lines of "Wazobia", but more elegant. Like Kanduga.

Then build a new, forceful national identity around the name.

You then form a ruling council of monarchs from all sections of the country. They will elect among themselves temporal kings for say 10 years to 15 years.

Intermarriage will happen among those monarchical families.

UNTIL a Royal Child emerges from them whose DNA comes from monarchies of AT least the Igbo, Yoruba, and Hausa, and he is presented to the Palace Oracle.

THAT BOY WILL BE CROWNED The First King of Kanduga.

FIRST DYNASTY.

More Royal Intermarriage will continue among the Council of monarchs until such a time when a Kanduga Royal Strain, coming from all nooks and crannies of the country, will be the seed of Royal Descent, of the Kingdom of Kanduga.

Traditional religion will become standardized, updated and modernised, with beautiful temples built nationwide.

No more relegation of African spirituality.

BECAUSE YOU NEED BOTH GOD AND THE GODS TO SMILE ON THE KING.

Then make me king.........
Outside blood.
No tribal loyalty.
Single dad to half yoruba daughter so I love the country.
Id complain about you all equally and do the best for my subjects equally.
And it would please me to slightly upset OP as his king.........

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 1:16am On Feb 05

SkengRay:
That Lad is Just an Ignoramus . Hes always bragging about being a Scandinavian, Viking bla bla bla but against other cultures How dense can he really get. The obsession is just wild

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:41pm On Feb 04

DeepSight:
+
Jesus is Lord! Who on Earth are you!

LordReed abeg follow me chee chomtin!

Hey.....deepsight "Shallowgaze"
I made a keepsake for you.
So you always remember your most favourite person "on earth"

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 1:12pm On Feb 04

steadygo:
You made an off-topic, irrelevant, AI reeking post. You were called out and you returned to make several others. Blocked.

Block me and you prove everything about yourself.

And its only 3 weeks. So ill be back.

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 1:10pm On Feb 04

steadygo:
You made an off-topic, irrelevant, AI reeking post. You were called out and you returned to make several others. Blocked.

You are a jester wobblystop.
Attacking race constantly
Saying who can and who cant talk on a public site

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 1:09pm On Feb 04

steadygo:
Many times, we argue and argue about Nigeria’s problems without talking about where many of those problems started. Yes—Nigeria has made plenty of bad decisions since Independence. But what laid the groundwork for so much of the dysfunction in the first place?

Two big forces: the transatlantic slave trade and British colonialism.

To understand the scale of the damage, you have to picture the numbers and picture how small Africa’s population was at the time. Nigeria is over 230 million people today. But as recently as 1900, all of Africa combined was estimated to be around 140 million. During the height of the slave trade, the region we now call Nigeria is estimated to have been about 12 million people spread across different societies and kingdoms.

Now imagine this: over 2 million people taken as slaves from what we call Nigeria today—and likely more when you account for those who never even made it to the coast to be sold. That’s around 20% of the population. And it wasn’t a random 20%—it was disproportionately young, able-bodied males as that is what the slave traders sought the most. Imagine, young men who are essential to any society's productivity and development. Indeed they kidnapped so many men, our societies became mostly women for periods of time.

Next, consider how societies across the region responded to Europe’s massive demand for slaves. Yes, there were wars before the transatlantic trade and forms of slavery already existed. But the Europeans scaled the demand to an entirely different level along with putting high prices on human beings. As selling people became one of the most profitable businesses, violence went from an occasional occurrence and became a part of the economy. Wars, raiding, kidnapping was frequent and insecurity became normal. For centuries, entire communities had to reorganize their priorities around defense or recovering from damages as opposed to investing in growth. Indeed, things were so bad there are reports of people being scared to go out and work due to fear of being kidnapped.

And then, after centuries of destabilization and we had finally become so weak from being driven to live in a war zone, it was time for colonialism.

British rule didn’t "create Nigeria” as a project for Nigerians to flourish; it created an administration for efficient control. It fused many distinct peoples into one political unit simply for convenience, concentrated power at the center, and organized the economy around extraction. Even the infrastructure priorities reflected it—routes that made it easier to move cash crops and minerals to ports mattered more than building deep internal industrial capacity.

The design has not disappeared after Independence, it has mutated. You can see it in how our economy still rewards exporting raw materials and buying back finished goods. We sell crude cheap, then import refined fuel at a premium price. The real profits stack up where processing, technology, shipping, finance, and insurance happen which is outside our borders— while we at home carry the instability, the unemployment, and the currency inflation at home. That is the colonial logic only without their flags: an extraction-based structure that keeps development dependent and value creation elsewhere.

So yes, Nigeria has made mistakes. But the playing field was damaged long before our Independence—first by centuries of population loss and insecurity that kept resetting development, followed by a colonial system of control and extraction and it's current form we face today. If we want real progress, we have to talk honestly about the origins, not just the symptoms.

The "Hook-Body-Conclusion" Sandwich
AI is trained on a standard essay structure that it rarely deviates from unless forced.
The Hook: It starts with a relatable observation ("Many times, we argue..." wink

to pull you in.
The Transition: It uses a "Two big forces" thesis statement to set the roadmap.
The Conclusion: It wraps up with a "So yes..." summary that mirrors the opening. This level of clean, circular closure is very typical of LLMs (Large Language Models).
High Level Syntactic Predictability
If you look at the transitions between paragraphs, they are "too smooth." Humans often jump between ideas or leave gaps in logic. AI uses clear, directional signposting:
"Next, consider..."
"And then..."
"The design has not disappeared..."
"So yes..."
Balanced Information Pacing
AI is designed to be "helpful" and "comprehensive." Notice how it perfectly balances the two themes it promised:
Paragraphs 3 to 5: Dedicated to the Slave Trade (Population loss, economic shifts).
Paragraphs 6 to 8: Dedicated to Colonialism/Post-Colonialism (Extraction, infrastructure).
The word count for each section is almost mathematically balanced, which is a hallmark of AI trying to cover all bases of a prompt equally.
4. Use of "Imagine this" or "Picture this"
AI models frequently use the "Imagine..." trope to explain complex statistics or historical scales. It is a common technique used by AI to simplify data (like the population percentages) into an emotional narrative. While humans do this too, AI relies on it as a primary tool for "empathy simulation."
5. The "On the one hand/On the other" Nuance
The text avoids taking a "radical" or "messy" stance. It acknowledges local agency ("Yes, there were wars before..." wink

while maintaining the primary argument about external forces. This "balanced nuance" is a built-in safety and quality alignment in AI it is programmed to acknowledge multiple sides of a historical context to remain objective.

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 1:04pm On Feb 04

steadygo:
You made an off-topic, irrelevant, AI reeking post. You were called out and you returned to make several others. Blocked.

AI? Funny that

Ive got A PAID AI DETECTOR you use free.

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 9:48am On Feb 04

steadygo:
I'm not even sure this deserves a response but here I go—
My post was to give light on some specific events that led to dysfunction before Nigerian independence. It is very obviously not meant to be taken as a complete history of precolonial Nigeria. My post also does not say West Africans were saints who did no wrong all through their history. Also, nowhere does the post say the Nigerian government is not corrupt or do not have blame in the current economic situation— I'm genuinely not sure how you came to this position.

Honestly, your entire post is ridiculous. It's as if the only purpose of your posting is to "remind" people that the white man is "not so bad", and to "defend" him from a perceived attack on his moral reputation. You need to frame the discussion as "victim branding" unless it includes a disclaimer that assures you "no one is blaming white people too much". Just look at how you start your post, "No one is denying slavery or colonial damage. That’s not the argument.". You are saying "that is not the argument" to an original post that does not refer to any prior conversation lol. Only so you can imply some argument against your imagined narrative then proceed to talk your nonsense. In reality, as usual, you have nothing really to say. If you want to add to the conversation then: bring evidence, engage with the actual claims I made, and stop arguing with imaginary versions of my position. Personally, I advise you to get off Nairaland and seek professional help, your obsession with Nigerians and with derailing our spaces needs serious help.

Let’s accept everything wobblystop says first. No resistance, no minimising.
Yes, the transatlantic slave trade devastated West Africa.
Yes, British colonialism fused incompatible polities, centralised power, and designed extraction economies.
Yes, infrastructure was built for ports, not productivity.
Yes, those effects didn’t magically disappear in 1960.
All true.
Now comes the part people dodge.
Those facts explain initial conditions, not permanent outcomes.
History explains where you start.
It does not explain why you stay there once sovereignty exists.
That’s not moral judgment. That’s causal logic.
So how do we test whether colonial damage = destiny?
You don’t test it with emotion.
You test it with comparative cases.
Case 1: Japan
Japan didn’t just lose a war.
It lost cities, industry, infrastructure, millions of people, and had two nuclear weapons dropped on it.
Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Yokohama flattened.
Supply chains annihilated.
State legitimacy shattered.
Occupied by a foreign power.
That is not “colonial inconvenience”.
That is total civilisational rupture.
Yet within years: public transport restored
bureaucracy rebuilt
education prioritised
industrial policy coordinated
corruption punished hard
Japan didn’t recover because it was “special”.
It recovered because post crisis elites made discipline non negotiable.
Case 2: Singapore
Colonised.
Resource poor.
Ethnically fragmented.
Kicked out of Malaysia.
No hinterland. No oil. No farmland.
Every excuse Nigeria uses, Singapore had worse.
What changed the trajectory? zero tolerance for corruption
ruthless civil service standards
export led manufacturing
education tied to productivity
elite accountability enforced
Colonialism didn’t disappear.
Excuses did.
Case 3: Norway
Colonised by Denmark for 400 years.
Then ruled by Sweden.
Poor, agrarian, peripheral.
No early industrial advantage.
Independence didn’t magically fix anything.
What did? institution building before welfare
rule of law before redistribution
oil revenue locked behind transparency
political culture that punishes elite theft
Norway didn’t become rich because it forgot history.
It became rich because it refused to outsource responsibility to history.
Now back to Nigeria.
Nigeria gained sovereignty in 1960.
From that moment on: budgets were Nigerian
laws were Nigerian
police were Nigerian
courts were Nigerian
oil revenue was Nigerian
What followed? elite looting
ethnic patronage
hollow institutions
military coups
oil rent capture
zero consequences
That is not colonialism continuing.
That is choice repeating.
Here’s the logical trap wobblystop can’t escape:
If slavery and colonialism fully explain Nigeria’s present state, then: elite accountability is immoral
reform is pointless
corruption is understandable
and progress is impossible
That position doesn’t defend Nigerians.
It infantilises them.
It says: “You were hurt once, therefore you can never be responsible again.”
That’s not historical honesty.
That’s permanent excuse architecture.

Japan rebuilt.
Singapore disciplined itself.
Norway governed clean.
Shit happens.
What’s your excuse now?

Politics › Re: We Should Bring Back The Monarchy System To Nigeria by Fenrir(m): 8:53am On Feb 04

steadygo:
I think monarchy is may be the best system of government. It allows for a leader to dedicate their entire life to serve you whereas in a presidential system, leaders only have a few years in office and can be easily influenced or even installed by the corrupt wealthy individuals. Going deeper, in a monarchy, the current monarch can pick an heir from birth and prepare them from the earliest stage of life to become a capable ruler. The heir also has a first-person view to the reigning monarch's rule; they are able to learn directly, every day, by watching them lead. Monarchy gives us the best prospects for a great leader. What do you think?

Wobblystop my royal jester.... I summon you..

The King's First Press Conference: Addressing the "Naysayers," Complainers, Confused Citizens, and That One Guy Who Asked If Vikings Accept Transfers
Subjects, petitioners, professional "passing-by" visitors, those currently hiding their Ghanaian passports in rice bags, and whoever keeps asking if my longship has Bluetooth:
I HAVE SEEN YOUR COMMENTS.
My royal scrolls (WhatsApp groups I was added to without consent) are FULL of your concerns, complaints, and deeply unserious questions. Some of you are asking for "palliatives" (which I assume means free things you didn't work for). Others are asking if my longship has space for Uber passengers (it does not, it runs on Viking rage and the tears of people who say "I'm coming" but never come).
One BRAVE soul asked if the Viking Battle Reindeer can survive on a diet of Gala sausage rolls and Lacasera. The answer is NO. They require PROPER nutrition: moss, Norwegian dignity, and the occasional motivational speech about how they're better than horses.
And someone SOMEONE had the audacity to ask if I accept "transfers" like I'm running a betting app.
Let me address these concerns with Royal Clarity, Brutal Honesty, and Just Enough Sarcasm to Make You Question Your Life Choices:
1. On the "Luxury Keke Napep" Longship Incident
To the customs officer at Tarkwa Bay who tried to "collect something small for the boys" when my longship docked:
I. HAVE. NOTED. YOUR. FACE.
Your punishment is as follows:
48 hours in the "Room of Punctuality" where EVERY clock actually works, meetings start on time, and there is NO "Nigerian Time" to save you from the soul-crushing boredom of efficiency
Mandatory attendance at a seminar titled "Why Asking a Viking for Bribes is a Terrible Idea: A Survival Guide"
You must personally explain to the Ceremonial Goat why you thought shaking down a Norwegian King would end well for you
The Goat is VERY disappointed. He expected better.
2. On the Suya Standard™ Currency System
Yes, gizzards are now a legal form of bail.
If you are arrested for:
Not wearing a ridiculous hat
Being late to your own wedding
Suggesting Ghanaian jollof is "not bad actually"
Pronouncing "Svalbard" like you're having a stroke
You may pay your way out with:
Three (3) sticks of perfectly grilled gizzard
A sincere, tearful apology to the Ceremonial Goat (he's still mad about the customs thing)
One interpretive dance explaining what you've learned
HOWEVER, if you attempt to bribe the Royal Court with BURNT gizzard or gods forbid CHICKEN gizzard when you clearly have access to cow, you will be sentenced to:
One month of eating only Norwegian brown cheese (it tastes like sweetened depression)
Reading all Nigerian road safety manuals out loud
Explaining to a group of confused Vikings why "I'm coming" doesn't mean you're actually coming
3. The Great "NEPA Name Change" Investigation
I have conducted a THOROUGH royal investigation into why they changed from NEPA to PHCN to DisCo to whatever incomprehensible acronym they're hiding behind this week.
My findings:
It is a classic Viking military tactic known as "Changing Your Shield So The Enemy Doesn't Recognize You While You're Still Not Giving Them Light."
Brilliant strategy. Terrible execution.
They thought if they changed names, we'd forget they've been stealing our money while the generators do all the work. WRONG. We remember EVERYTHING. We have spreadsheets. We have RECEIPTS. We have ancestors taking notes.
The Royal Solution:
I shall personally wire the entire national grid to:
A team of 5,000 angry Norwegian electric eels (they're VERY motivated)
The collective rage of every Nigerian who ever bought petrol for a generator
Three Vikings with degrees in electrical engineering who are TIRED of excuses
The Ceremonial Goat's pure, judgmental energy
If this doesn't work, we're switching to whale-powered turbines. The whales are already in the lagoon. They're ready. They're WILLING. They just want health insurance and Thursdays off.
4. The Royal "Giveaway" (This is Definitely a Trap)
I hear it is customary for "Big Men" to do "giveaways" when they return from abroad, throwing money at crowds like they're feeding pigeons and expecting applause.
Fine. I am a generous King.
I am giving away 1,000 blocks of Premium Norwegian Glacier Ice™ (estimated value: priceless in Lagos heat, worthless in Oslo winter).
Collection Details:
Location: The EXACT middle of Third Mainland Bridge at 2 PM on a Friday (because I hate you all equally)
Time: 2:00 PM sharp. Nigerian Time is NOT accepted. If you arrive at 2:01, the ice has already melted and you've failed.
Requirements to Claim Your Prize:
You MUST bring your own cooler (industrial sized preferred, because these blocks are the size of a Danfo)
You MUST perform the "Viking Shuffle" a sacred dance combining:
Azonto hip movements
Norwegian war chants
The emotional intensity of someone who just survived Lagos traffic
At least one (1) dramatic axe swing (imaginary axes accepted)
You must shout "LONG LIVE THE SUYA STANDARD" three times while maintaining eye contact with the Ceremonial Goat (he will be watching from a helicopter)
IMPORTANT LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
If the ice melts before you successfully navigate:
Third Mainland traffic
A surprise police checkpoint asking for your "particulars"
Four danfo drivers trying to cut you off
That one hawker selling everything from phone chargers to live chickens
Then that is "THE WILL OF THE GODS" (and also basic thermodynamics + Lagos heat + your poor life choices).
No refunds. No complaints. The King has spoken.
5. To The Person Who Asked About "Transfers"
NO.
I do NOT accept:
Bank transfers for royal favors
Crypto (I don't trust money I can't hold)
Promises to "send it later"
Prayers (appreciative, but not legal tender)
IOUs written on torn notebook paper
I ONLY accept:
Suya (must be fresh, well-seasoned, and delivered with RESPECT)
Ridiculous hats as tribute
Sincere apologies for wasting my time
Proof you've read the Royal Decrees and aren't just here for chaos
If you're asking about transfers because you think the King runs on bribes like some politicians, let me remind you: I am a VIKING. We take what we want and leave strongly worded poems about it. We don't do "small small" negotiations.
6. On National Infrastructure (Or Lack Thereof)
Several of you have complained about:
Roads with potholes the size of small villages
Traffic that makes you question your will to live
The persistent, soul-crushing disappointment of NEPA/PHCN/DisCo/Whatever They're-Calling Themselves Today
The Royal Response:
Go forth! Pave the roads with:
The bones of our enemies (metaphorical, mostly)
Decent asphalt (practical, preferred)
The crushed dreams of corrupt contractors who thought they could pocket the budget and leave us with gravel
OR, if you're feeling particularly Viking about it:
Melt down all the abandoned, rusted generators and turn them into smooth, beautiful, rage-fueled pavement
Use the tears of every Nigerian who ever said "NEPA has taken light" as industrial adhesive
Employ the Ceremonial Goat as Quality Control Inspector (he's VERY thorough)
I want roads so smooth that even the potholes feel ashamed and fill themselves in out of peer pressure.
7. To the Royal Jester: A PUBLIC WARNING
I see you laughing in the back row. I HEAR you giggling like this is all a joke.
Your wig of dried stockfish is CROOKED. FIX IT before I:
Make you the official "Svalbard Pronunciation Coach" for the entire Nigerian Police Force (good luck explaining "å" to someone who just wants to collect "something for the boys" wink

Sentence you to teaching Norwegian grammar to a stadium full of Lagos taxi drivers at 6 AM
Force you to explain to my Viking ancestors why you think this is all funny (they don't have a sense of humor, they have AXES)
You have ONE job: keep the nation laughing.
If I hear ONE complaint that the jokes have gotten stale, you're being reassigned to:
NEPA customer service (a fate worse than death)
Ceremonial Goat grooming duty (he bites)
Reading terms and conditions out loud for all government contracts
Shape up, Jester. The stockfish wig is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.
8. The Royal Nap Decree (EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY)
Now that I have addressed your NUMEROUS complaints, concerns, and deeply unserious questions, I am going for a nap.
Do NOT wake me unless:
The jollof rice is ready (and I mean READY perfectly cooked, seasoned by at least two arguing aunties, with the correct smoke-to-rice ratio)
A dragon is spotted flying over Ikeja (in which case, WAKE ME IMMEDIATELY so I can tame it and add "Dragon Rider" to my list of royal titles)
The Ceremonial Goat has escaped and is threatening a coup (unlikely but not impossible he's been getting IDEAS lately)
Ghana has FINALLY admitted Nigerian jollof is superior (I will wake for this, do a victory lap, then go back to sleep)
DO NOT wake me for:
"Just passing by" visits
NEPA excuses
Traffic reports (I KNOW it's bad, I have EYES)
Your uncle who "has a business proposal"
Questions about whether the longship has AC (it doesn't, we're VIKINGS)
FINAL ROYAL COMMAND:
The press conference is OVER.
Go back to your lives. Wear your ridiculous hats. Practice the Viking Shuffle. Prepare for the Great Ice Giveaway Trap. Respect the Ceremonial Goat.
And PLEASE, for the love of Odin and all the aunties who've ever asked when you're getting married:
Stop asking if I accept transfers.
Long live the King!
Long live Nigeriask!
Long live the Suya Standard!
Long live the Ceremonial Goat's judgmental stare!
🇳🇬🇳🇴⚔️🐐👑🛶
The King has spoken. The stockfish wig has been adjusted. The ice is melting. The goat is watching. Chaos continues as planned.
Now someone PLEASE explain why my longship keeps getting parking tickets.

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 6:42am On Feb 04

steadygo:
I'm not even sure this deserves a response but here I go—
My post was to give light on some specific events that led to dysfunction before Nigerian independence. It is very obviously not meant to be taken as a complete history of precolonial Nigeria. My post also does not say West Africans were saints who did no wrong all through their history. Also, nowhere does the post say the Nigerian government is not corrupt or do not have blame in the current economic situation— I'm genuinely not sure how you came to this position.

Honestly, your entire post is ridiculous. It's as if the only purpose of your posting is to "remind" people that the white man is "not so bad", and to "defend" him from a perceived attack on his moral reputation. You need to frame the discussion as "victim branding" unless it includes a disclaimer that assures you "no one is blaming white people too much". Just look at how you start your post, "No one is denying slavery or colonial damage. That’s not the argument.". You are saying "that is not the argument" to an original post that does not refer to any prior conversation lol. Only so you can imply some argument against your imagined narrative then proceed to talk your nonsense. In reality, as usual, you have nothing really to say. If you want to add to the conversation then: bring evidence, engage with the actual claims I made, and stop arguing with imaginary versions of my position. Personally, I advise you to get off Nairaland and seek professional help, your obsession with Nigerians and with derailing our spaces needs serious help.

But look how much one particular people lie about history anyway wobblystop....

This also known as "collective delusion"

Let’s stop pretending.

When people shout “Our tradition! Prostrate! Do full Yoruba wedding! Respect our culture!”
they always list what the groom must do.

They almost never mention what the bride’s family was originally supposed to do to deserve all that respect, bride price, and full prostration package.

If we are talking real old school Yoruba custom (not 2026 selective memory), then “tradition” was a bundle:

If the groom’s side does X, Y, Z…
the bride’s family must also have done A, B, C.

You can’t demand one half and quietly delete the other.

Virginity = “lineage guarantee” (and the parents had duties here)

In old Yoruba custom, virginity wasn’t just a cute idea, it was family honour + lineage certainty.

There was asa ibile, the white cloth on the wedding night to prove virginity.
If she was a virgin, gifts and money went back to her parents in pride.
If not, symbolic shame (half-boiled yam, etc.) was sent instead.

Virginity was tied to good upbringing, proper monitoring, protection, and no secret boyfriends and baby daddies.

Meaning,
if you want to shout “our tradition!” about prostration & bride price, then the girl’s family were also obligated to.....

protect her from sexual abuse and exploitation
actually supervise her movements and relationships

insist on no sex before marriage if they want to use virginity as their cultural bragging right.

You cannot abandon all those parental duties, turn blind eye to “coded runs”, then still stand up on wedding day forming “we are traditional, prostrate for us.”

That’s not culture. That’s selective memory.

Proper upbringing & character, Ìwà, not just makeup.......

Traditional Yoruba marriage respected families that raised Omoluabi, good character.

The bride’s family was expected to,

raise her with discipline, honesty, respect, and home training

teach her how to live peacefully in another house, not how to weaponise drama
show that she is entering the man’s home as asset, not destabiliser

Old texts and studies emphasise that part of what groom’s family is “thanking” the bride’s family for (with owo orí, gifts, prostration) is the years of proper upbringing & moral training.

If you’ve never really raised the girl, grandparents did everything, or she basically raised herself on TikTok and church performances, then what exactly are we prostrating for?

Protection & supervision not throwing girls to wolves.....

Traditionally, there were clear systems......

alarina, go between and chaperones in courtship

structured visits
serious monitoring of who is courting the daughter and with what intention

If a grown man slept with an unbetrothed virgin, he was expected to pay and/or marry her there was some accountability......

Today?

many families don’t protect their daughters
don’t believe them when something happens

push them out early to “hustle”

then suddenly remember “tradition” when it’s time to collect list and bride price.

Again, you can’t throw away your side of the cultural duty, then resurrect it only when money and prostration enter the chat.

The bride’s “equipment” used to be their job, not the groom’s

Historically, the bride’s family were supposed to send her off properly equipped,

clothing
cooking tools
home essentials

things that show she’s ready to manage a home and contribute.

Now look at most modern lists:

“gas cooker, fridge, blender, full kitchen, generator, furniture…”

all dumped on the groom, while the bride’s family basically arrive with vibes, matching aso ebi and billing.

If we’re being honest,

Tradition = the bride’s family equip her to be an asset in that home.
Extortion = the groom fully equips their daughter and their own kitchen back home.

Pick one. Don’t call extortion “culture.”

Dowry (owo orí) was symbolic, not ransom.......

Old Yoruba custom:
dowry was often small and symbolic, and in many cases returned, to emphasise “we are not selling our daughter, this is just culture.”

Even where it wasn’t returned, it was still token-level, not “buy a mini-supermarket or no wife.”
Modern practice in many families?
Endless lists, extra bills on the day, “add something”, “Ibòmbo – we trained your daughter”, multiple unplanned levies.

Question,
If you truly trained her and truly spent on her, it will show in her character, skills, education, stability.
You won’t need to “over-compensate” on the list to prove it.

Ongoing support, not “collect and disappear”........

Traditionally, bride’s family didn’t just cash out and disappear,

they continued to support, advise, mediate, and guide the new couple

elders prayed, blessed, and sometimes corrected their own daughter when she was the problem,

Now?

Most families,

interfere when it benefits them
vanish when there is real problem
side their daughter blindly even when she’s wrong
still expect maximum respect + money flow + “in-law of the year” treatment.

Again, if we are using real tradition,
your role as bride’s family continues after the marriage. It’s not just “collect list & spray money.”

So what’s the actual point here?......

Not to insult Yoruba culture.
Not to say “women are bad” or “families are evil.”

The point is simple.....

You cannot demand full traditional obedience from a groom
when you did not fulfil your own traditional duties as the bride’s family.

If your daughter......

was not protected from abuse
was not supervised in courtship
was not raised with real Omoluabi character
was not properly equipped from your side

did not keep the “purity” you now weaponise
did not benefit from your ongoing moral support

…then be honest:

You are no longer operating full Yoruba tradition.
You are operating modern life + selective “tradition” for money and ego.
Fine. Life has changed. Nobody is perfect.
But then stop shouting:

“He must prostrate!”
“He must give us X, Y, Z because culture!”
“Registry alone is not marriage!”

If you want modern, do modern: registry + simple intro + mutual respect.
If you want tradition, then accept that tradition binds both families, not just the man.

Final questions for you.....

Can a family that didn’t uphold the traditional duties listed above still demand full prostration and heavy “list” with a straight face?

Shouldn’t we be honest that what many people call “tradition” today is edited tradition, mostly focused on what the man must pay and perform?
If submission is demanded from the woman, and prostration from the man, then where is the matching accountability from both families?

No insults, No tribal bashing
Just simple logic

This is a logical trap......

1) if you defend the current practice then you are admitting its not tradition

2) if you admit it is tradition then you accept the obligations of the bride's family

3) if you say "times have changed" then you have to stop demaning/expecting prostration/bride price

4) if you attack then you cant defend your own logic

5) if you ignore it you prove hypocrisy and fraud

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 6:10am On Feb 04*

steadygo:
I'm not even sure this deserves a response but here I go—
My post was to give light on some specific events that led to dysfunction before Nigerian independence. It is very obviously not meant to be taken as a complete history of precolonial Nigeria. My post also does not say West Africans were saints who did no wrong all through their history. Also, nowhere does the post say the Nigerian government is not corrupt or do not have blame in the current economic situation— I'm genuinely not sure how you came to this position.

Honestly, your entire post is ridiculous. It's as if the only purpose of your posting is to "remind" people that the white man is "not so bad", and to "defend" him from a perceived attack on his moral reputation. You need to frame the discussion as "victim branding" unless it includes a disclaimer that assures you "no one is blaming white people too much". Just look at how you start your post, "No one is denying slavery or colonial damage. That’s not the argument.". You are saying "that is not the argument" to an original post that does not refer to any prior conversation lol. Only so you can imply some argument against your imagined narrative then proceed to talk your nonsense. In reality, as usual, you have nothing really to say. If you want to add to the conversation then: bring evidence, engage with the actual claims I made, and stop arguing with imaginary versions of my position. Personally, I advise you to get off Nairaland and seek professional help, your obsession with Nigerians and with derailing our spaces needs serious help.

Hey steadygo, well "wobblystop" since you're unstable.....

Wobblystop = collapses under pressure
Sidewaysgo = evades through deflection
Selectivego = operates through omission
SteadyNo = fixed position masquerading as discussion
SteadyNarrative = loyalty to story over truth
All of these work 😘

And that last line is telling.
When the facts get uncomfortable, the tone shifts from “historical analysis” to gatekeeping and moral eviction. Suddenly it’s no longer about ideas, it’s about who is allowed to speak, who belongs, and who should “leave the space.”
That’s not humility. That’s entitlement wearing tradition as a costume.
If disagreement automatically becomes “obsession” and critique becomes a mental health issue, then what you’re defending isn’t history, it’s authority. The same reflex that says “don’t question elders,” “don’t interrogate power,” and “know your place.”
Ironically, that impulse is far closer to the dysfunction you described than anything I wrote.
You wanted a conversation about causes. I expanded it beyond a single, convenient storyline. If that feels like an attack, maybe the issue isn’t my argument. Maybe it’s how fragile the narrative is when it’s no longer protected by moral posturing.

1 = If you defend selective history, you admit it's not complete analysis

2 = If you admit it's complete, you must include African agency and Arab trade

3 = If you say "context matters," then post-independence choices also matter

4 = If you attack the messenger, you can't defend the logic

5 = If you ignore it, you prove the selectivity

Culture › Re: Only Jesus Can Save Hallelujah ! In Primary Schools by Fenrir(m): 5:49pm On Feb 03

fireboyHtml:
Remembering how as a child during assembly we would sing " Only Jesus can Save " in a public school. That was so cute. Do they still sing it in public schools ?

That post accidentally exposes a huge blind spot most Nigerians don’t even realise they have.
Let’s slow it down.
A public school is not a church.
A public school is funded by taxpayers of multiple beliefs.
Christian. Muslim. Traditional. Atheist. Agnostic. Everything in between.
When a government school makes children stand in assembly and sing “Only Jesus can save”, that is not neutral culture.
That is the state choosing a theology and pushing it onto minors who cannot consent, opt out, or critically evaluate it.
If you strip the nostalgia out, here’s what’s actually happening......
The government is endorsing one religion
Children are being told salvation is exclusive to that religion
Dissenting beliefs are implicitly labelled wrong or inferior
Opting out marks you as “other” before you even know who you are
That directly collides with freedom of thought, conscience, and religion. Not abstractly. Practically.
Now here’s the part Nigerians really struggle with.
You confuse majority belief with legitimacy.
“Yes but Nigeria is a Christian/Muslim country”
No. Nigeria is a secular state with religious majorities. Those are not the same thing.
A secular state doesn’t mean anti religion.
It means the state does not pick a god.
Because the moment it does, the state stops protecting minorities and starts grooming conformity.
Flip the scenario and watch how fast the tone changes.
Imagine a public school in Lagos forcing kids to sing
“Only Allah can save” every morning.
Christians would lose their minds. And rightly so.
Same principle. Same violation.
The “cute” framing is doing psychological work here. It turns coercion into nostalgia. It makes indoctrination feel harmless because it happened when people were small and smiling.
But childhood is exactly when this stuff is most serious.
You’re not teaching theology.
You’re teaching authority alignment.
Stand up.
Sing the approved belief.
Don’t question it.
Everyone else is doing it.
That pattern doesn’t stay in school. It leaks into politics, law, family control, marriage pressure, and mob morality later on.
And this is where Nigeria shoots itself in the foot.
A country that wants innovation, critical thinking, pluralism, and rule of law cannot at the same time run religious loyalty drills in government classrooms and pretend it’s harmless tradition.
Private schools can do whatever they like.
Church schools can sing hymns all day.
Mosque schools can do the same.
But the moment it’s a public school, the state must shut up about God.

Business › A Nigerian Man Wants Us To Run Your Countries Like A Businesses by Fenrir(op): 7:14am On Feb 03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1nRluFNl8k?si=SO3YuObnC8XfcOYo

Well, he's not wrong.

Politics › Re: Nigeria's Problems Did Not Start In 1960 by Fenrir(m): 6:51am On Feb 03

steadygo:
Many times, we argue and argue about Nigeria’s problems without talking about where many of those problems started. Yes—Nigeria has made plenty of bad decisions since Independence. But what laid the groundwork for so much of the dysfunction in the first place?

Two big forces: the transatlantic slave trade and British colonialism.

To understand the scale of the damage, you have to picture the numbers and picture how small Africa’s population was at the time. Nigeria is over 230 million people today. But as recently as 1900, all of Africa combined was estimated to be around 140 million. During the height of the slave trade, the region we now call Nigeria is estimated to have been about 12 million people spread across different societies and kingdoms.

Now imagine this: over 2 million people taken as slaves from what we call Nigeria today—and likely more when you account for those who never even made it to the coast to be sold. That’s around 20% of the population. And it wasn’t a random 20%—it was disproportionately young, able-bodied males as that is what the slave traders sought the most. Imagine, young men who are essential to any society's productivity and development. Indeed they kidnapped so many men, our societies became mostly women for periods of time.

Next, consider how societies across the region responded to Europe’s massive demand for slaves. Yes, there were wars before the transatlantic trade and forms of slavery already existed. But the Europeans scaled the demand to an entirely different level along with putting high prices on human beings. As selling people became one of the most profitable businesses, violence went from an occasional occurrence and became a part of the economy. Wars, raiding, kidnapping was frequent and insecurity became normal. For centuries, entire communities had to reorganize their priorities around defense or recovering from damages as opposed to investing in growth. Indeed, things were so bad there are reports of people being scared to go out and work due to fear of being kidnapped.

And then, after centuries of destabilization and we had finally become so weak from being driven to live in a war zone, it was time for colonialism.

British rule didn’t "create Nigeria” as a project for Nigerians to flourish; it created an administration for efficient control. It fused many distinct peoples into one political unit simply for convenience, concentrated power at the center, and organized the economy around extraction. Even the infrastructure priorities reflected it—routes that made it easier to move cash crops and minerals to ports mattered more than building deep internal industrial capacity.

The design has not disappeared after Independence, it has mutated. You can see it in how our economy still rewards exporting raw materials and buying back finished goods. We sell crude cheap, then import refined fuel at a premium price. The real profits stack up where processing, technology, shipping, finance, and insurance happen which is outside our borders— while we at home carry the instability, the unemployment, and the currency inflation at home. That is the colonial logic only without their flags: an extraction-based structure that keeps development dependent and value creation elsewhere.

So yes, Nigeria has made mistakes. But the playing field was damaged long before our Independence—first by centuries of population loss and insecurity that kept resetting development, followed by a colonial system of control and extraction and it's current form we face today. If we want real progress, we have to talk honestly about the origins, not just the symptoms.

No one is denying slavery or colonial damage. That’s not the argument.
What you’re doing is selective history leading to selective victimhood.
Violence, slavery, and exploitation did not begin with Europeans. West Africa already had wars, raids, internal slavery, and empire expansion long before any white man arrived. Nigerians were raping, killing, enslaving, and selling other Nigerians centuries before the transatlantic trade.
And let’s be honest about agency. Europeans did not march inland en masse kidnapping people. They bought people that African elites, kings, chiefs, and merchants supplied. That doesn’t absolve Europe, but it destroys the idea of Africans as passive props in their own history.
You also conveniently skip the Islamic slave trade, which: Predated the Atlantic trade by centuries
Ran for over a thousand years
Took millions across trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean routes Involved mass castration of male slaves, which is why there are fewer visible descendant populations
Yet somehow only one race gets eternal moral focus, while African and Arab participation is quietly sidelined.
That’s not historical honesty. That’s narrative selection.
Yes, colonialism damaged institutions and economies.
No, it does not explain why post independence Nigerian elites looted, entrenched corruption, defended ethnic patronage, and kept extraction models alive decades after Europeans left.
History explains constraints. It does not erase responsibility.
When you emphasise external harm while minimising internal violence, collaboration, and post independence choices, that’s not analysis. That’s outsourcing blame.
If the goal is progress, the conversation has to include: Internal African participation in slavery
The Islamic slave trade
Nigerian on Nigerian exploitation
Post 1960 elite failure
Anything less is not truth seeking. It’s victim branding.

Christianity Etc › Re: Strange Existential Questions by Fenrir(m): 5:09am On Feb 03

DeepSight:
Since there is at yet no philosophy section here, I have to make do here.

How many strange existential questions have you ever pondered?

Examples:

1. What are you?

2. Do you exist?

3. Does the world around you exist?

4. Who are the people you see around you. Are they real, or reflections of your inner mind?

5. Is the world an experiment?

6. Is life a dream?

7. Assuming that you are real, and the world around you is real, what is the purpose of your existence?

8. Most people identify "God" as their creator. If you are such a theist (or even deist) what is that God to you?

We will expand on these questions, on each one, on philosophical thoughts about each one, and many more, as we go along.

Shallowgaze.... this is how you do philosophy!
You pick something and think about it in the abstract then run with it "its also called hyperfocus"

WUSSIFICATION: A GLOBAL PANDEMIC WITH NIGERIAN CASE STUDIES
Or: How Begging Became a Lifestyle and Spines Became Decorative
THEORETICAL FRAMEWORK: THE WUSSIFICATION SPECTRUM
Wussification is not binary. It's not "wuss" or "not wuss."
It's a spectrum of progressive spinal dissolution, measurable by specific behavioral markers:
Stage One: Complaint Without Action
Identifies problem clearly
Has capacity to address it
Chooses to narrate suffering instead
Expects sympathy to function as solution
Stage Two: Weaponized Victimhood
Problem becomes identity
Any suggestion of personal agency is treated as attack
Suffering becomes social currency
"You don't understand what I'm going through" is deployed as conversation ender
Stage Three: Professional Begging
Stops even pretending to try
All communication becomes request for rescue
Other people's boundaries are reframed as cruelty
"If you really cared you would..." becomes standard operating procedure
Stage Four: Structural Collapse
Spine fully decorative at this point
Cannot stand upright without external emotional scaffolding
Blames gravity for falling down
Demands world be redesigned to accommodate invertebrate status
Stage Five: Terminal Wussification
Has completely forgotten what taking responsibility feels like
Experiences any form of accountability as violence
Requires constant validation just to maintain basic existence
If you stop clapping, they cease to breathe
THE NIGERIAN MANIFESTATION: BEGGING AS CULTURAL PERFORMANCE
Now let's get specific, because Nigerian men have turned wussification into an art form, and I'm not talking about the ones actually struggling. I'm talking about the ones with smartphones, data plans, and enough free time to perform suffering on social media.
The "I'm Broke" Industrial Complex
Every day on Nigerian social media:
"Guys I'm broke, no money for food, please help, God bless you."
Posted from iPhone 13.
With full data subscription.
After posting club photos last weekend.
The question is never "How did you get broke?"
The question is never "What are you doing about it?"
The question is always "Who will send me money?"
And when no one sends money, the follow-up post:
"Nigerians are wicked. Nobody helps anybody in this country. I'm suffering and people are just scrolling past."
Brother.
You're not suffering.
You're performing suffering because actual effort is harder than digital panhandling.
The Chronological Parameters of Your Wussification:
When did this start?
Not with poverty. Nigeria has always had poverty.
Not with unemployment. Nigeria has always had unemployment.
It started when social media created an audience for helplessness.
Before Instagram and Twitter, if you were broke, you either:
Found work
Asked family privately
Suffered quietly
Figured it the Bleep out
Now?
You can broadcast your suffering to thousands, fish for sympathy, collect small donations from guilty strangers, and never actually address why you're in the same position every three months.
The wussification commenced when performing struggle became more profitable than solving struggle.
The Wussifying Agents:
What caused this spinal collapse?
1) Social Media Sympathy Economy
Likes, shares, retweets, "sending prayers," all create the illusion of support without actual support.
You post "I'm struggling."
Fifty people comment "Stay strong king."
Zero people send money.
Zero people offer actual help.
But you got fifty hits of validation, so you feel temporarily better, and nothing changes.
Validation became substitute for action.
2) The Gospel of Breakthrough
Nigerian prosperity gospel teaches that your breakthrough is coming, your season is coming, your time is coming.
You just have to wait.
Pray.
Believe.
And keep tithing, obviously.
So when you're broke, it's not your responsibility to fix it.
It's God's responsibility to deliver your miracle.
And if the miracle doesn't come?
You didn't pray hard enough.
You didn't sow the right seed.
You didn't have enough faith.
Never: "You didn't develop a skill."
Never: "You didn't take the available work because it felt beneath you."
Never: "You're waiting for a miracle instead of making a plan."
Magical thinking replaced strategic action.
3) Entitlement Disguised as Tradition
"As the man, people should help me."
"As the firstborn, my family should support me."
"As someone from [insert state], our people should look out for each other."
You've wrapped your begging in cultural language so it sounds like obligation instead of dependency.
But strip away the tradition talk and what you're actually saying is:
"I deserve resources without contributing value because of an identity category I was born into."
That's not culture.
That's wussification with a tribal wrapper.
4) The Comparison Trap
You see someone else getting helped.
You see someone else's breakthrough.
You see someone else's sponsorship, visa, windfall, miracle.
And instead of thinking "What did they do that I could learn from?"
You think "Why not me?"
And the answer, always: "Life is unfair. People are wicked. God has forgotten me."
Never: "They worked while I complained."
Envy replaced effort.
CASE STUDIES: NIGERIAN BEGGING ARCHETYPES
The Chronic Broke Boi
Posts "I'm broke" every week.
Never posts "I got a job."
Never posts "I learned a skill."
Never posts "I started something small."
Just perpetual brokenness, perpetually shocked that being broke again, as if it's a surprise attack rather than a predictable consequence of doing nothing.
When you ask "What are you doing about it?" the response is always:
"You don't understand my situation."
Correct. I don't understand how you have time to post but not time to learn freelancing, delivery driving, graphic design, literally anything.
The Professional Beggar
Has refined the craft.
Knows exactly how to phrase requests to maximize guilt.
"I haven't eaten in two days."
"My son is sick and I have no money for hospital."
"I'm about to be evicted."
Sometimes it's true.
Often it's exaggerated.
Always it's a pattern.
Because if you're in crisis every month, the crisis isn't external.
The crisis is that you've built a lifestyle dependent on other people's guilt.
The Blessing Chaser
Doesn't even ask directly.
Just posts:
"God when will my own come?"
"I'm tired of struggling."
"If you're reading this and God puts it in your heart to bless me, my account number is..."
It's not even begging at this point.
It's spiritual extortion.
"God told you to send me money. If you don't, you're disobeying God."
And when nobody sends?
"Nigerians and wickedness. Even when God is telling people to help, they refuse."
Brother, God is not running your Ponzi scheme.
The Emotional Terrorist
This one is advanced.
Uses friendship, family connection, or past favors as leverage.
"I helped you when you needed it, now I need help and you're acting like you don't know me."
"So this is how you treat your brother?"
"I'm disappointed in you. I thought you were different."
The goal is to make you feel guilty for having boundaries.
To reframe your "no" as betrayal.
To turn your refusal into evidence of your moral failure.
This is not asking for help.
This is demanding compliance and punishing resistance.
THE CORE PATHOLOGY: EXTERNAL LOCUS OF CONTROL
All wussification, regardless of nationality, boils down to one belief:
"My life is controlled by external forces, and I am a passenger in my own existence."
When things go wrong, it's:
The government
The economy
Witches in the village
Bad luck
Other people's wickedness
God's delay
Never:
My choices
My lack of planning
My refusal to adapt
My entitlement
My avoidance of discomfort
External locus of control is the spine-dissolving acid.
Once you believe you have no agency, you stop trying to exercise agency.
And once you stop exercising agency, the muscles of responsibility atrophy.
And once those muscles atrophy, you become structurally dependent on other people to carry you.
And you call this "community."
But it's not community.
Community is mutual support.
This is parasitism with a cultural alibi.
THE WUSSIFICATION DIAGNOSTIC QUESTIONS
Let's make this practical.
If you want to know if you're wussified, answer these honestly:
1) When was the last time you solved a problem without asking someone else to solve it for you?
Not "I asked for advice."
Not "I got help after trying."
When was the last time you figured it the Bleep out yourself?
If you can't remember, your spine is decorative.
2) Do you spend more time complaining about your situation or changing your situation?
If your screen time on Twitter exceeds your time spent learning, applying, building, or working, you're wussified.
3) When someone says "no" to your request, how do you respond?
Do you:
Accept it and move on
Feel disappointed but respect their boundary
Immediately reframe them as wicked/selfish/fake
Guilt trip them
Post about how "nobody helps"
If it's option 3, 4, or 5, you're not asking for help, you're demanding tribute.
4) Have you ever turned down available work because it felt "beneath you"?
If you're broke but won't do delivery, won't do manual labor, won't take the unglamorous grind because "I didn't go to university for this," then you're not struggling.
You're wussified and calling it standards.
5) Do you believe your breakthrough will come from effort or from external rescue?
If you're waiting for:
A benefactor
A miracle
Someone to "see your potential"
Your big break
The right connection
Instead of:
Building a skill
Starting small
Grinding unglamorously
Creating value people will pay for
You've outsourced your future to luck and called it faith.
THE SOLUTION (That Nobody Wants to Hear)
Reversing wussification is simple.
Not easy. Simple.
Step One: Accept That No One Is Coming
Your breakthrough is not coming.
Your miracle is not coming.
Your benefactor is not coming.
You are coming.
You, with your two hands, your brain, your time, and your willingness to do what's necessary instead of what's comfortable.
Step Two: Stop Performing Suffering
Delete the "I'm broke" posts.
Delete the "God when" posts.
Delete the passive-aggressive accountability posts.
If you're struggling, struggle quietly while you work.
Announce results, not problems.
Step Three: Build the Smallest Possible Momentum
You don't need a big break.
You need a small win.
One client. One gig. One skill learned. One day of discipline.
Stack small wins until they become medium wins.
Stack medium wins until they become a life.
Step Four: Protect Your Spine
Every time you're tempted to beg, ask instead:
"Is there any action I could take right now that would move me 1% closer to solving this myself?"
If yes, take that action.
If no, then and only then, ask for help.
But ask as a last resort, not as first instinct.
Step Five: Remember That Dependency Is Not Culture
Your ancestors did not beg.
They built.
They fought.
They migrated.
They adapted.
They survived because they took responsibility for their survival.
Begging is not Ubuntu.
Begging is not brotherhood.
Begging is what happens when you mistake other people's pity for your own power.
FINAL ASSESSMENT: IS FURTHER WUSSIFICATION POSSIBLE?
Oh absolutely.
We haven't even reached terminal wussification yet.
We're only at Stage Three for most people.
Stage Four is when you can't even conceptualize agency anymore.
When the idea of "just do something" feels like a foreign language.
When you genuinely believe that asking "what are you doing about it?" is cruelty.
Stage Five is when you need constant emotional life support just to exist.
When you cannot tolerate a single day without validation, sympathy, or rescue.
When you've fully replaced your spine with other people's guilt.
We're getting there.
Every "nobody helps" post gets us closer.
Every "God when" prayer gets us closer.
Every time someone with a phone, data, and free time calls themselves helpless, we inch toward full invertebrate status.
CONCLUSION: THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF YOUR GRIEVANCES
You asked: Can your spine support the weight of your grievances?
The answer is no.
Because grievances require a spine to carry.
And you traded yours for sympathy.
You can keep performing.
You can keep narrating.
You can keep waiting for someone to applaud your suffering into solutions.
But the world doesn't owe you applause.
It doesn't owe you miracles.
It doesn't owe you anything.
And the moment you accept that, the moment you stop begging and start building, your spine will start to calcify again.
Slowly.
Painfully.
But it will return.
Or you can keep this up.
Keep wussifying.
Keep begging.
Keep blaming.
And in ten years, look around and realize you're in exactly the same place, just older and more bitter.
Your call.
But don't mistake patience for virtue when what you're really doing is avoiding effort.
The system is working as designed.
You've been wussified.
And you called it survival.

Christianity Etc › Re: Strange Existential Questions by Fenrir(m): 8:59pm On Feb 02

DeepSight:
Since there is at yet no philosophy section here, I have to make do here.

How many strange existential questions have you ever pondered?

Examples:

1. What are you?

2. Do you exist?

3. Does the world around you exist?

4. Who are the people you see around you. Are they real, or reflections of your inner mind?

5. Is the world an experiment?

6. Is life a dream?

7. Assuming that you are real, and the world around you is real, what is the purpose of your existence?

8. Most people identify "God" as their creator. If you are such a theist (or even deist) what is that God to you?

We will expand on these questions, on each one, on philosophical thoughts about each one, and many more, as we go along.

"What are you?" "Do you exist?" "Is life a dream?" Shallowgaze that's Descartes from the 1600s, that's every stoned teenager's conversation at 2am, that's not deep insight that's Philosophy 101 presented like you're breaking new ground.
Depth isn’t asking “Do you exist?”
Depth is asking what follows if you do.
Depth isn’t “Is the world an experiment?”
Depth is specifying whose experiment, under what constraints, falsifiable how, and why that framing matters.
And the funniest part is this line.
“Since there is at yet no philosophy section here, I have to make do here.”
That’s pure self importance. As if the forum was waiting for you to arrive and elevate it. That’s just “small dog yapping at a gate” energy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 8:12pm On Feb 02

DeepSight:
+
How are you today, chained wolf?

DeepSight though? More like shallowgaze.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:53pm On Feb 02

DeepSight:
+
How are you today, chained wolf?

All that noise like a small dog that thinks it’s intimidating. This isn’t your weight class.
You popping up is entertaining, but your words would need value to land and they don’t.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:42pm On Feb 02

DeepSight:
+
Honestly!

If arrogance to intelligence gaps were fatal drops, you’d qualify as a Lagos skyscraper.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 5:23pm On Feb 02

SkengRay:
Go play with Toys Kid

Yap yap yap
Like a little jack Russel terrier.........
Run along and get some more "training"
😂😂 you think it bothers me when pop your little head up.
Its hilarious my boy, before you can insult me I must first care about your opinion.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:51am On Feb 02

SkengRay:
Miss me with all this AI mumbo jumbo. According to your faulty nervous system and your faulty Paid AI dectors we all use AI just like you do? I can see you lack basic education.

The question isn’t whether the wussification is complete; it’s whether the architectural integrity of your spine can even support the weight of your grievances at this point. But by all means, keep performing this real time case study in the correlation between fragility and volume. It’s … educational.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:50am On Feb 02

SkengRay:
Miss me with all this AI mumbo jumbo. According to your faulty nervous system and your faulty Paid AI dectors we all use AI just like you do? I can see you lack basic education.

Awww its cute that you keep using AI but you cant afford to show any proof of your accusations. And FYI you're the one that came back yesterday.

I forgot you existed. You got lonely.

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:48am On Feb 02

SkengRay:
Miss me with all this AI mumbo jumbo. According to your faulty nervous system and your faulty Paid AI dectors we all use AI just like you do? I can see you lack basic education.

Could you kindly elucidate the chronological parameters within which your wussification commenced, identify the specific wussifying agents or circumstances that precipitated this wussification, detail whether the wussification occurred via incremental wussifying moments or through a singular catastrophic wussifying event, and finally assess whether your current wussified condition represents the terminus of wussification or if further wussifying remains theoretically possible?

Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 8:34am On Feb 02

SkengRay:
That Lad is Just an Ignoramus . Hes always bragging about being a Scandinavian, Viking bla bla bla but against other cultures How dense can he really get. The obsession is just wild

Oh Skengray.
Look at your topics. First thing that screams out is the asymmetry, you go around attacking people but your own footprint is specific and narrow as hell.
Romance dominated by "Dark Skin Girls Only". Christianity active, opinionated. Phones and tech loads of low stakes how to posts. Education transactional questions. Diaries almost empty. No real evidence of self reflection threads, accountability posts or vulnerability that isn't filtered through ideology or desire. That combination matters.
Here's the core pattern I see.
This is not a troll in the chaotic sense, you're not here to stir for fun, you're here to police. Policing gives people power without requiring competence, status or risk.
Now zoom into "Dark Skin Girls Only". On the surface people defend that as preference, fine preferences exist, but look at the behavioral context it's a recurring topic, it's exclusionary by framing not just descriptive, it sits next to moral authority spaces like Christianity, it's paired with attacking others not just posting content.
That combination almost always signals externalized validation hunger not attraction. In plain terms you're not celebrating dark skin women, you're using them as a symbolic shield.
Why? Because "defending" dark skin women gives you moral leverage while also allowing you to reject others without appearing shallow, it's socially armored desire. That's different from someone just saying "I like X".
Now layer in Christianity. This is the classic combo you see on Nairaland constantly, sexualized gaze, moral absolutism, public correction of others, personal accountability nowhere, consistent standards absent.
That's not hypocrisy by accident, it's identity outsourcing.
You don't argue from lived experience or responsibility, you argue from positions. Positions are safe. Positions don't bleed.
Now about the attacking behavior. People who genuinely feel secure in their worldview don't patrol forums, they don't need to, they post, disagree and move on. Chronic attackers usually share three traits low real world leverage, high need for dominance signals, zero tolerance for ambiguity. Nairaland rewards that because attention is the currency.
Your profile stats actually reinforce this, long time registered, high post count but most engagement is reactive not constructive.
The most effective way to deal with people like you isn't emotional rebuttal or moral shaming, it's exposure of inconsistency followed by disengagement.

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