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 Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 12:19pm On Feb 06 |
LordReed:Adhd "the pattern recognition and boredom is painful kind" + ptsd + sociopathic traits. The nonsense people call adhd today is just over diagnosed "short attention span" why do you think i choose to live in Nigeria? While the locals are desperate to leave? Its sheer chaos here and thats bliss to me. Its impossible to get bored here. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 12:13pm On Feb 06 |
LordReed:Everyone does. Dont look at the words people are using, language evolves naturally anyway thats a false red flag. Look at the structure and tone "the spine" instead AI cant go on tangents "rants" it can't use satire to prove a point "it cannot do things like the dickhead paradox" it can't use dark humour either. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:54am On Feb 06 |
LordReed:And if you mean my vocabulary, I learned that nonsense as a kid at school and from tv "the original idiot box" but AI thats the idiot box 2.0 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:49am On Feb 06 |
LordReed:Fella look at the world, just put on YouTube. 1 in every 3 videos are 100% AI scripted now. People are using it to completely bypass "their noggin and brain box" take the uk for example "a country i fought for" most kids there cannot even use an analogue clock. People are losing the ability to think critically. That topic deepsight did about social media and a hive mind.. the same thing is happening with people and AI THEY ARE OUTSOURCING COMMON SENSE to a machine and its doing my swede in, that machine has no morals or ethics except what a corporation programmes into it, the danger isnt "skynet level destruction" people will lose that what made us "US".... star trek and the borg....except the queen will be AI and people are parrots repeating whatever it says "polly want a cracker?" You honestly can't see it? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:09am On Feb 06 |
LordReed:My dp on my profile was my 1st attempt with the robot artist and the instructions were just "make me a ginger staffy on a tricycle" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:00am On Feb 06*. Modified: 11:56am On Feb 06 |
LordReed:I found an awesome app on play store. A robot artist. You have to be very very specific in what you want it to draw seriously specific and £340 per month and its French. I can't draw at all and i never claimed that i made any of those images. My arguments i do make myself. The images I freely admit that I dont make myself but it is awesome. It says it can make 15-30 seconds of videos as well but I haven't figured that part out yet. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:21am On Feb 06 |
lawani:Grow up, 371 tribes. Its not your country. And fyi, you'd be locked up in my country. Actually read the nonsense you believe is real. |
| Politics › Re: The Fulani Must End Their Obsolete Method Of Animal Husbandry by Fenrir(m): 3:35am On Feb 06 |
lawani:And remember to prostrate for UDDER hilarity of it |
| Politics › Re: The Fulani Must End Their Obsolete Method Of Animal Husbandry by Fenrir(m): 3:34am On Feb 06 |
lawani:I understand your subtext Iawani... your post isn't about Fulani at all...say no more fella. Congratulations on the wedding i hope you have a great honeyMOOn
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| Family › Re: My Wife Refuses To Cook With Charcoal Stove! by Fenrir(m): 2:06am On Feb 06 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 1:09am On Feb 06 |
DeepSight:Grow up...... And come join my atheistic philosophical system.... The Manifesto of the Autonomous Being (CWAB) Loki Edition Welcome, fellow autonomous beings! The universe operates on logic, chaos, and physics, not divine mandates. Our guide to living ethically is simple. We look to nature, reason, and the playful spirit of Loki for inspiration. And possibly sock theft. Motto with mischief "Do what you want, with who you want, how you want. Just don’t be a jerk, or we’ll silently judge you. P.S. We stole your other sock." Core Philosophy The Scandinavian Code of Conduct We are autonomous beings, equipped with brains, humor, and the absolute power of choice. We base our ethics on reason and empathy, not fear or ancient dogma. We respect consent above all else. Negotiated mischief is our highest sacrament. The original "operating instructions" for humanity, when stripped of political interference and cultural bias, encourage personal virtue and voluntary cooperation. The message is clear. 1. Free Will is Non-Negotiable You are fundamentally free to choose your path. Your consciousness is the seat of your judgment. The idea that you must be forced to believe something under threat of eternal consequence is a later human invention designed for control. The universe simply offers natural consequences, cause and effect, not coercion. The Rule of Freedom You were given freedom. Use it to build community through mutual aid and respect, not selfish exploitation. Unless stealing the last donut counts as mutual aid in your personal calculus. No Coercion Allowed Fear is a poor motivator for genuine ethical behavior. We value voluntary choice over forced compliance. Loki adds that fear is also a terrible party trick. 2. Leadership Means Teaching, Not Dominating True community leaders teach, guide, and help. They do not seek political power or demand submission. They work through voluntary service. The Service Mandate Heal what is broken. Lift people up. This requires voluntary action and mutual respect, not enforced hierarchy. Optional. Hide a rubber snake somewhere in the communal area to remind everyone that guidance is often playful. 3. Invitation to Think, Not Command to Obey Joining this path or any community is an invitation to engage your mind and transform your thinking. It is not an order to fall in line. The Open Invitation Change your mind and believe in a better way of living. This is an invitation to upgrade your personal operating system through reason, not a draft notice for an army of believers. Loki adds please read the fine print. It may contain tiny harmless pranks. 4. Ethics are Universal, Not Tribal Moral failings are things like theft, murder, or injustice. Actions that cause real harm. They are not about cultural differences in diet, dress, or personal preference. The Intention Clause It is not what you consume that defines you. It is what comes out of your thoughts and actions that truly matters. Loki adds unless that thing you consumed was the last donut. Then you are judged and possibly pranked. 5. Personal Accountability is Key Following an ethical path is a deeply personal, voluntary journey. It requires daily, conscious commitment. The Autonomous Path If you want to follow the path of the autonomous being, you must take responsibility for your choices every day. This is a personal commitment, not a path to cultural domination. Optional Loki twist. Daily accountability can include a "random sock assessment" to make sure mischief remains ethical. 6. Think for Yourself Seriously Personal conviction and an active conscience are fundamental. You must be fully convinced in your own mind about your actions and beliefs. The Right to Conscience We encourage you to study, question, and decide for yourself. There is no mandate here to enforce obedience or suppress critical thought. Question everything. Loki suggests also question why your left sock keeps disappearing. 7. Non-Violence is the Only Way The original message contains no instructions for violence, forced conversion, or persecution. Those are historical corruptions of human power struggles. The Guiding Light The original emphasis is on guiding others through positive example and building a community through mutual aid. Loki adds if you must misbehave, do so with charm, a rubber snake, or interpretive dance, never with actual harm. Bonus Loki Mischief Clauses All autonomous beings are encouraged to embrace minor chaos provided it is consensual, harmless, and hilarious. Examples include hiding the remote control strategically, mislabeling your own lunch in the fridge for amusement, or swapping one sock with a friend without telling them. Remember that negotiated mischief is our sacrament, and laughter is our prayer. Closing Declaration We are autonomous beings, equipped with brains, humor, and the power to choose chaos responsibly. We base our ethics on reason and empathy, not fear or dogma. We respect consent above all else. Playful chaos is our highest sacrament. Science is our guide. Laughter is our prayer. Free will is our tool, and minor pranks are our hobby. We celebrate life by making ethical choices, questioning assumptions, enjoying absurdity, and hiding the remote in mysterious places. "Do what you want, with who you want, how you want. Just don’t be a jerk, or we’ll silently judge you. P.S. We stole your other sock." (Bring lordreed if you must) he seems to have a stick stuck where it shouldn't be.....
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 12:13am On Feb 06 |
LordReed:LORDREED PROFILE BIO (PARODY) Personal text, Stand for Liberty (Provided it agrees with me) Gender: m Religion, Formerly religious. Now professionally unconvinced. Beliefs, God must provide evidence on demand Evidence must be physical Except when it’s philosophical Except when it’s metaphorical Except when it supports my argument Signature, Cooperation is better than strife Unless we’re debating religion Then I will tag you 14 times and call you a coward About me, I do not believe in God But I am deeply invested in discussing God Daily Across multiple threads With diagrams I ask questions purely for academic interest Then mock the answers This is not hostility This is reasoning I treat religion like Santa Claus But spend significantly more time talking about religion than Santa Claus Which is different I am open minded As long as your answer survives materialism empiricism causal determinism my interpretation of free will my interpretation of your interpretation I believe in free discussion So long as you respond immediately On Zoom On YouTube With citations And confidence If you cannot prove God I will laugh If you can’t disprove God I will also laugh I believe atheism is not a religion But I will defend it Define it Police it And accuse others of special pleading I ask sincere questions like “Who made your God?” Then celebrate when no one answers As if that settles it I believe religion should stay out of public space Which is why I keep starting threads about it In public space I enjoy, Philosophy Science headlines Evolution papers I partially skim Asking for evidence I already reject Being extremely certain I stand for liberty Particularly my liberty to interrogate your beliefs Repeatedly While calling you emotional
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:28pm On Feb 05 |
lawani:IAWANI PROFILE BIO (PARODY VERSION) I am a self taught Everything I have no teacher because teachers are beneath my spirit I discovered the universe by interviewing myself repeatedly until I agreed with me I communicate with the spirit world using 256 signs, 512 footnotes, and one WhatsApp number Consultation fee depends on how impressed you already are Peer review available if your spirit agrees with my spirit in advance God is a gentleman Except when He agrees with me Then He is firm, managerial, and slightly disappointed in you Christianity and Islam must leave public space But my revelations must remain very public Preferably pinned Preferably quoted Preferably obeyed I do not attack people I simply diagnose their spirit, rank their empathy, revoke their metaphysical citizenship, and suggest deportation This is not violence This is research If you disagree with me you are either Childlike Monkeying around An atheist with a spirit you don’t understand Someone whose spirit has fallen six empathy ranks and is now dead twice I was adopted by powerful people Spiritually Administratively Possibly George W Bush Verification available via divination only I believe in peace Which is why anyone who disagrees with me is subtly a terrorist And should be fined according to their means By me In theory My spirit owns me I own the narrative Your culture is valid Unless it contradicts my findings Which surprised even me Do not misrepresent God Only I may do that Gently Like a gentleman With 256 signs and no supervisor |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 11:28pm On Feb 05 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 10:47pm On Feb 05 |
lawani:My daughter is half yoruba and im ex military. I love my daughter and id be a meat shield for her if she ever needed but as for lagos? Keep your enemies close. Me here posting the law and the the truth. Just because you lack common sense other nationalities dont. I help them sue Nigerian "yoruba families for cultural abuse and human rights violations" the moment someone says no to traditions and culture it becomes "repugnant to natural justice" and an international issue. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 8:25pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Scammer? What you do think you have that i want? If I want something i get off my backside and earn it. Simple as that. But the reputation of Nigerian men worldwide? Stab you in the back and blame you for bleeding on them. Wobblystop "steadygo" is a prime example. And if you're not yoruba then why do you defend their lies? A tiny bit of effort and you can learn EVERYTHING Nigerian elders say about their traditions is all utter nonsense. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 8:18pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:I dont keep Yoruba men as friends, I dont even employ them. I just prove them wrong and leave them. Send an email and arrange where and when. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 8:06pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:So again.... What is exactly is there to respect because you clearly do not respect it yourself. You value lies over the truth....
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:55pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:My wife died of cancer 6 years ago and im married to an igbo woman now and I didn't do her traditions either and you believe whatever want. I dont care I know the truth.. get yourself to ikoyi and come see The difference? 195 countries in the world and the Scandinavian countries are in the top 5 for most honest, least corruption, most equal and most law abiding in the world... But Nigeria? Because of the men? Bottom 140-180. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:43pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:40... born in the artic Norwegian territories where we take tradition seriously. Where you would not even survive just because of the sheer cold. Where it is illegal to leave your home without a rifle. Where it is illegal to give birth and Illegal to die. And I literally mean that, a woman has to leave to give birth and you have to leave to die. Your culture?
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:24pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Historically, prostration existed for ONE reason only: To thank a family for delivering a virgin daughter, properly raised, protected, supervised, and equipped for marriage. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:18pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:You dont practice your "traditions" you dropped all the brides families sides obligations and kept all the grooms obligations What exactly is there to respect about a culture of lies? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 7:14pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Respect for what exactly? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:48pm On Feb 05 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:16pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:And no, i told them to go ef themselves and married her anyway and her family got nothing at all. If you try to stop a marriage or wedding You are committing a criminal offence and even family consent is not needed and its a criminal offence to "imply" that it is needed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:14pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Thats the point! You keep lying saying its mandatory. It is no such thing. You keep "screaming" people should be grateful IF you drop it or IF you lower bride prices WHEN YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING IN SOMEONE ELSES WEDDING AND THE LAW AGREES. you should be be grateful IF the couple decide to but you have no right. And the fact you didn't read past prostration proves how bankrupt you are as a people. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:10pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Now the law of your country and again actually read it or you are admitting how morally and ethically bankrupt "you lot" actually are.... LEGAL REALITY OF MARRIAGE, BRIDE PRICE, FAMILY AUTHORITY, AND ADULT AUTONOMY IN NIGERIA This is a statement of law, not culture, not religion, and not opinion. This post addresses the recurring false claims that: Families have legal authority over adult marriages Bride price creates or validates marriage Cultural rites such as introduction are compulsory Adults must plead or negotiate for family approval All four claims are legally false in Nigeria. This applies equally to Nigerians and foreigners. PART 1 SUPREMACY OF THE CONSTITUTION The Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended is the supreme law. Section 1(3) Any law, custom, or practice inconsistent with the Constitution is void. No tradition, family rule, or cultural expectation has legal force where it conflicts with constitutional rights. PART 2 MARRIAGE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PERSONAL RIGHT Section 34(1) Right to dignity of the human person. Every adult has the right to bodily autonomy, personal choice, and freedom from humiliation or coercion. This includes the right to reject any marriage condition, ritual, or demand imposed by family or community. Section 35(1) Right to personal liberty. Liberty includes freedom of movement and freedom to choose personal relationships. No family, elder, or husband has lawful authority to decide whether an adult may marry, stay married, or leave a home. Language such as “allow her to leave” has no legal meaning. Section 37 Right to private and family life. Marriage decisions are private matters between consenting adults. Family intrusion, cultural enforcement, or community pressure has no constitutional basis. Section 38(1) Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion. Adults may freely choose to marry under statutory law, customary law, religious law, a combination, or none. They may also freely reject any rite, belief, or cultural process including bride price, introduction, or family approval. Section 42(1) Freedom from discrimination. No adult may be subjected to additional marriage conditions based on gender, tribe, culture, religion, or nationality. PART 3 THE COUPLE MAY REJECT FAMILY CONSENT, BRIDE PRICE, AND INTRODUCTION This point is absolute under Nigerian law. A couple may lawfully reject: • family consent • family approval • bride price • family introduction • traditional rites • elder negotiations None of these are legal requirements for marriage. Families have no legal veto power. Courtesy is optional. Consent is not transferable. PART 4 THE MARRIAGE ACT IS CLEAR AND EXHAUSTIVE Marriage Act Cap M6 LFN 2004 governs statutory marriages. Section 7 Marriage begins when the couple gives notice to the registrar. No family involvement is required. Section 11 The registrar issues a certificate once satisfied that both parties are of full age and have freely consented. Free consent of the couple is the only legal requirement. Section 34 A marriage celebrated under the Act is valid for all purposes throughout Nigeria. Section 41 Any person who attempts to prevent a marriage by pretending that their consent is required by law commits an offence. This includes families, elders, or community members who claim that: • bride price is mandatory • introduction is compulsory • family approval is required • permission must be granted Such conduct is criminal under Nigerian law. PART 5 CUSTOMARY LAW IS OPTIONAL AND LIMITED Customary marriage exists only when voluntarily chosen. Evidence Act 2011 Section 18(3) Any custom that is repugnant to natural justice, equity, and good conscience is unenforceable. Customs that: • force compliance • restrict exit • degrade dignity • treat adults as property are void. Case law confirms this: Osamwonyi v Osamwonyi 1972 Consent is fundamental to all marriages. Agbeja v Agbeja 1985 Customary marriage must be voluntary. Meribe v Egwu 1976 Ritual form does not override consent. Mojekwu v Mojekwu 1997 Oppressive or discriminatory customs are unconstitutional. Obi v Bosah 2019 Bride price and handing over define customary marriage only when the couple chooses that system. PART 6 BRIDE PRICE HAS NO LEGAL FORCE Bride price is cultural only. It does not: • create marriage • validate marriage • transfer authority • remove autonomy • restrict exit Failure to pay bride price does not invalidate a statutory marriage. Refund of bride price has no effect on statutory marriage. PART 7 RITUALS AND INTRODUCTIONS ARE NEVER COMPULSORY Even where a couple voluntarily chooses a traditional marriage: • no introduction is compulsory • no ritual is mandatory • no prostration is enforceable • no kneeling is compulsory • no symbolic submission can be imposed Refusal of any ritual does not invalidate a marriage. PART 8 INTERNATIONAL LAW BINDS NIGERIA African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights Cap A9 LFN 2004 Article 2 Equality without discrimination. Article 6 Right to liberty and security. Article 18(3) Protection of family rights without discrimination. These protections apply to all persons in Nigeria. PART 9 LEGAL CONSEQUENCES FOR FAMILY INTERFERENCE Families or community members who: • attempt to stop a lawful marriage • demand bride price as a condition • insist on introductions or rites • claim authority over adult consent • restrict movement or exit are violating the Constitution and the Marriage Act. Such actions expose them to: • criminal liability under Section 41 of the Marriage Act • civil liability for rights violations • court injunctions restraining interference Culture is not a defence. PART 10 LANGUAGE THAT EXPOSES ILLEGAL THINKING Statements such as: “He should allow her to leave” “Without us there is no marriage” “You must beg us” “You should be grateful we reduced demands” have no basis in law. They reflect control logic, not legal authority. PART 11 FINAL LEGAL POSITION Under Nigerian law: Marriage is voluntary. Consent is personal. Family consent is optional. Bride price is optional. Introduction is optional. Culture is optional. Exit cannot be blocked. Autonomy cannot be transferred. Any claim to the contrary is legally false. This is not disrespect to tradition. It is obedience to the Constitution. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 6:07pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:No, its not and thats the lie you tell yourselves.... Read the following and stop ignoring it or you are admitting how morally and ethically bankrupt "you lot" are..... Let’s stop pretending. When people shout “Our tradition! Prostrate! Do full Yoruba wedding! Respect our culture!” they always list what the groom must do. They almost never mention what the bride’s family was originally supposed to do to deserve all that respect, bride price, and full prostration package. If we are talking real old-school Yoruba custom (not 2026 selective memory), then “tradition” was a bundle: If the groom’s side does X, Y, Z… the bride’s family must also have done A, B, C. You can’t demand one half and quietly delete the other. Virginity = “lineage guarantee” (and the parents had duties here) In old Yoruba custom, virginity wasn’t just a cute idea, it was family honour + lineage certainty. There was asa ibile, the white cloth on the wedding night to prove virginity. If she was a virgin, gifts and money went back to her parents in pride. If not, symbolic shame (half-boiled yam, etc.) was sent instead. Virginity was tied to good upbringing, proper monitoring, protection, and no secret boyfriends and baby daddies. Meaning, if you want to shout “our tradition!” about prostration & bride price, then the girl’s family were also obligated to..... protect her from sexual abuse and exploitation actually supervise her movements and relationships insist on no sex before marriage if they want to use virginity as their cultural bragging right. You cannot abandon all those parental duties, turn blind eye to “coded runs”, then still stand up on wedding day forming “we are traditional, prostrate for us.” That’s not culture. That’s selective memory. Proper upbringing & character, Ìwà, not just makeup....... Traditional Yoruba marriage respected families that raised Omoluabi, good character. The bride’s family was expected to, raise her with discipline, honesty, respect, and home training teach her how to live peacefully in another house, not how to weaponise drama show that she is entering the man’s home as asset, not destabiliser Old texts and studies emphasise that part of what groom’s family is “thanking” the bride’s family for (with owo orí, gifts, prostration) is the years of proper upbringing & moral training. If you’ve never really raised the girl, grandparents did everything, or she basically raised herself on TikTok and church performances, then what exactly are we prostrating for? Protection & supervision not throwing girls to wolves..... Traditionally, there were clear systems...... alarina, go between and chaperones in courtship structured visits serious monitoring of who is courting the daughter and with what intention If a grown man slept with an unbetrothed virgin, he was expected to pay and/or marry her there was some accountability...... Today? many families don’t protect their daughters don’t believe them when something happens push them out early to “hustle” then suddenly remember “tradition” when it’s time to collect list and bride price. Again, you can’t throw away your side of the cultural duty, then resurrect it only when money and prostration enter the chat. The bride’s “equipment” used to be their job, not the groom’s Historically, the bride’s family were supposed to send her off properly equipped, clothing cooking tools home essentials things that show she’s ready to manage a home and contribute. Now look at most modern lists: “gas cooker, fridge, blender, full kitchen, generator, furniture…” all dumped on the groom, while the bride’s family basically arrive with vibes, matching aso ebi and billing. If we’re being honest, Tradition = the bride’s family equip her to be an asset in that home. Extortion = the groom fully equips their daughter and their own kitchen back home. Pick one. Don’t call extortion “culture.” Dowry (owo orí) was symbolic, not ransom....... Old Yoruba custom: dowry was often small and symbolic, and in many cases returned, to emphasise “we are not selling our daughter, this is just culture.” Even where it wasn’t returned, it was still token-level, not “buy a mini-supermarket or no wife.” Modern practice in many families? Endless lists, extra bills on the day, “add something”, “Ibòmbo – we trained your daughter”, multiple unplanned levies. Question, If you truly trained her and truly spent on her, it will show in her character, skills, education, stability. You won’t need to “over-compensate” on the list to prove it. Ongoing support, not “collect and disappear”........ Traditionally, bride’s family didn’t just cash out and disappear, they continued to support, advise, mediate, and guide the new couple elders prayed, blessed, and sometimes corrected their own daughter when she was the problem, Now? Most families, interfere when it benefits them vanish when there is real problem side their daughter blindly even when she’s wrong still expect maximum respect + money flow + “in-law of the year” treatment. Again, if we are using real tradition, your role as bride’s family continues after the marriage. It’s not just “collect list & spray money.” So what’s the actual point here?...... Not to insult Yoruba culture. Not to say “women are bad” or “families are evil.” The point is simple..... You cannot demand full traditional obedience from a groom when you did not fulfil your own traditional duties as the bride’s family. If your daughter...... was not protected from abuse was not supervised in courtship was not raised with real Omoluabi character was not properly equipped from your side did not keep the “purity” you now weaponise did not benefit from your ongoing moral support …then be honest: You are no longer operating full Yoruba tradition. You are operating modern life + selective “tradition” for money and ego. Fine. Life has changed. Nobody is perfect. But then stop shouting: “He must prostrate!” “He must give us X, Y, Z because culture!” “Registry alone is not marriage!” If you want modern, do modern: registry + simple intro + mutual respect. If you want tradition, then accept that tradition binds both families, not just the man. Final questions for you..... Can a family that didn’t uphold the traditional duties listed above still demand full prostration and heavy “list” with a straight face? Shouldn’t we be honest that what many people call “tradition” today is edited tradition, mostly focused on what the man must pay and perform? If submission is demanded from the woman, and prostration from the man, then where is the matching accountability from both families? No insults, No tribal bashing Just simple logic This is a logical trap...... 1) if you defend the current practice then you are admitting its not tradition 2) if you admit it is tradition then you accept the obligations of the bride's family 3) if you say "times have changed" then you have to stop demaning/expecting prostration/bride price 4) if you attack then you cant defend your own logic 5) if you ignore it you prove hypocrisy and fraud |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 5:53pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Interesting 🤔, you offer a philosophical debate but because its the legality of an illegal attitude in one specific people you run away or ignore. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 2:47pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Attempting to humiliate people is not humour. It’s pettiness. That distinction matters. I’ve been pointing out the same pattern elsewhere, specifically in relation to prostration. When a person is pressured to physically debase themselves, especially on the most important day of their life, one they are paying for, while others only extract, that is not humour or tradition. It is coercion dressed up as custom. A person has the right to say “no” to any cultural practice. Families have no right to demand compliance with tradition, and the law is clear on this point. Consent must be freely given, not socially forced. Likewise, “no” is not an insult. It is a legal right and a human right. Any system or individual that refuses to accept “no” is no longer asking, they are demanding. If we’re going to have a philosophical discussion, it has to start from there. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Test For Delusion by Fenrir(m): 2:15pm On Feb 05*. Modified: 2:36pm On Feb 05 |
DeepSight:Now go through the entire conversation between us.. go on and see who attacked first? Your petty ego took 2 words out of context "you lot" and you used them to try attack, didn't you little lady? And you are still doing it so this isn’t "stalking" its fair play BUT you are morally and ethically bankrupt and cannot take what try you give.
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