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Next IG: @Op, I am not going to exonorate the church from some unwanted happenings within her, but this your story lacks substance. Why did I said so?
(1) Every Winners Chapel has a designated parking lot either within the Church premises or outside the gate but, it is either fenced or well protected.
(2) Your friend made the mistake of parking near the church (outside) when he has been severally warned not to. That shows a sign of disobedience to the church leadership.
(3) Your friend lied by saying that the traffic officials will asked him not park at a particular point without showing him where to park.
(4) If your friend had been a true member of the Winners Chapel for Five years, he should by now knows where Church members, Church officials and Pastors do park their vehicles. Because each have their parking lot. Even the for the Church members, where the first service attendees will park is different from the second service.
(5) With the security situation everywhere, why must you park your car anyhow or somewhere near the church without letting the officials?
(6) If truly he has been a true member, he should know that even if the head of the unit is against him, he should have gone into the church and report him to any other Unit Head, Deacon/Deaconness, Elder(s), or any Pastor and his case would have been attended to immediately without bias. Because the leadership of the church won't take their action lightly if at all, it is true.
(7) For the number of years he has been in the Church he is still not a member of any unit group? That cast a doubt on his true membership in that Church. Because if he belongs to any unit, he would have reported the matter to his own unit head.
( The Bible said, if you had a grudge against your fellow brother (Christian), never you take the matter to the judge outside, rather, present it to the elders (pastors) in the church for an amicable solution, we shouldn't allowed unbelievers to settle our matters.
(9) How will you feel when you caned your child and he immediately went outside to call your neighbour when he hasn't reported it to his mother?
(10) Your friend said the head of the Police Anti Robbery Team called him aside and told him to take up the matter. Haba! When a Senior (woman) Police Officer is around and had shouted at him, he still had the audacity to call your friend aside for at least 3minutes advice? Hmmmm!
(11) Think with your mind not with the head. I know there is an onslaught of evil allegations against the Body of Christ the world over, but, the good news is, They Shall Not Prevail. The Church will Keep Marching on until the day of resurrection.
(12) Shalom! Jesus is Lord!!

So this is all you could come up with? If I don't join a unit in my church, I'm not qualified to be a member or rather I'm not a true member of the church? Really? Did you also read the part where he said it was parked at a place he was sure was not the church premises? Did you also read the part where he said "overzealous church members will yell don't park here only to park more favoured cars"? Did you read where he said the church the culprit went inside the church to hide? So because of the security situation of the nation, I have to get a permit from the officials before I park my car? Bros, what are you saying? You didn't condemn the fact that he was beaten up, you didn't condemn the fact that they tried to use the bible to cover up evil, you didn't condemn the fact that his tyres were damaged but you're using the scriptures to backup the acts. Wow!!! Tomorrow, if I don't join a unit in my church, I'm not a member from your above post. Nigerians, open your eyes!

Pls, Pastor Kun, how come he was beaten and dragged and no one saw what happened to intervene?

This thread reminds me of when I was a pageboy for my uncle's wedding. Food reach my suppose wife but in no reach me. I dey look am dey chop. I dey pray but still nothing. I consoled myself.
Going for a wedding now, I prefer eating at home before going for any.

demelza: I have seen women loosen their geles and fight amongst themselves all in a bid to get Party rice. Some shameless ones even struggle with children for their share.
Im not used to it though, I guess it has to do with having a Dad who didnt approve of us eating outside.
So whether Im served or not doesnt matter because half of the time, Im already on my way home.

You're not far from the truth. Some parents fight for food not for their children but for themselves.

I probably should give up.....

ledafaze: You can come out form that angle but I do not see how it will favour the Uchihas. Firstly, I wonder why the stone tablet has to be with the Uchihas... More so, I am seeing a failure in the way Madara is seeing this thing, even though he had a good plan from day one - to stop this dream drama of the shinobi world killing themselves instead of living a life full of love and fulfilling expectations.

Exactly. I wonder the same thing too. If the Sage truly saw his younger son as the successor, why leave something for the elder and not the younger son?
Was the byakugan formed as a result of eye defect of one of the people fighting war?

Now, looking at the whole story, I don't blame the Uchihas for being how they are. It's like having a heavy and sad destiny before being born. They truly are a cursed clan. Hence why Madara wants to stop this whole hatred. Madara saw the bigger picture even though it's likely to fail when they realize that they all have been living a false life. Naruto and Madara yearns for the same thing but the way they're going about it is different. Kishi looks like someone trying to turn the war in favour of the Uchihas. In addition to the above, could it be that since there is only one fruit in that tree, the people who wanted power ingested the fruits?

ledafaze: It was only the woman that ate the forbidden fruit o... Only women with their misunderstanding... dem no dey think... just jump into their own solution about what they think should be done

I'm making my assumptions from what Madara said, 'I don't need to tell you what happened after that'

biolabee: lol...kimco on some major kishi-rant

Nice insight and fuuny that women na hin dey cause wahala everywhere...

The juubi is the source of all chakra n he wants it BACK!!

Guard your chakra

Exactly. The landlord has come to collect his rent. I still have some points I gathered while reading. Hopefully, I won't forget it before I come back here cos I'm working right now.

patwhizkid:

*hugs her* Don't be sad...

biolabee: madara knows so much.. pity he was not as good as hashi

this God tree changes everything...

people just dying for nothing..

Thanks to the stone tablet left there by the Sage. I used to wonder how he knew so much till I remembered that something was written down by the Sage.
Why do most problems start with women?
From the story Madara told, we can see that the Sage was a human born with chakra due to the fact that his mum ate the forbidden fruit (Adam and Eve things, expecting Kimco to get vexed about this chapter... ), the juubi was originally the tree called shinju and that people had chakra because they started eating from the forbidden fruit and thus came the other clans with different kinjutsus. Doesn't this chapter negate most of our theories about the Sage being an Uzumaki or otherwise? Will it be safe to say that Ootsutsuki Bagoromo (damn! No connection with the Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki or Hyuuga) was born with the rinnegan? Great chapter I must say.

v3: I see i've missed alot on here. What's cracking?

Aren't you Kazekage?

^^^hug...

patwhizkid: Kill.

No matter the persecution I face from you, I won't stop.......kiss

jidesp: @biolabee The 9tail stop hating Naruto a long time. He admired him but because he was arrogant he never wanted to admit, he feels it would make him look weak. But since he saw what was done to other Jinchiruki and their bijuus and also Naruto made him realize you can't carry hate for people all your life and at somepoint you have to share it to free you mind.

tell Kimco....

WackyJ1: Tosyn you tried but that wasn't the real answer
Kimco you keep going on and on about the manga, next time make sure you actually read it carefully

and in case you didn't understand what the manga picture is saying, harashima and tobirama were not able to break free from the edo tensei because they were not brought back at their full strength back then due to the technique not being fully perfected by orochimaru

exactly what I wanted to say. It is because they were brought back with almost their full powers hence whi I said Orochimaru improved the technique.

kimco: feraz feraz feraaaaaz, i called u three tyms oo....if it was a guy, u would still be arguing. Hmmmm. I won't even talk again.

lol...you know, when I make a statement and two people refute it, I stop arguing that point and check and then I apologize.

KazeKage1: Good. now, did Sasuke's sharingan/tomoe appear when he witnessed his parents die?Who told you that you have to fight to awaken your sharingan? Sasuke's sharingan appeared after Itach told him to cling to life and come seek revenge when he has the same eyes as Itachi.

How am I mixing stuff up? I'm only listing similarities based of things I've seen both eyes do.

firestar: That's what I thought, then Kishi flashbacked to the Uchiha massacre. He got his first Sharigan tomoe activated when Itachi taunted his 'cling to life' speech, the next was with Haku then the third was with the 'Sasuke retrival arc'.

Feraz: Really? I'll check it again. Kishi dares to play on my intelligence?

Had no idea till she said so.

kimco: he's not jux helping him, they're friends now, they shudn't be friends simply because they have a common enemy, friendship takes tym between enemies. And enuff with the chosen one bs. I read the manga, stopped watching the anime. Or also it's on the same day that madara appeared that they have become buddies. Did u see any night cycle? it still day. If u read the manga u'll know it's one day.

lol. Se eh, stop looking for inconsistencies in the manga and enjoy .
I'll still try to verify the fact.

firestar: That's what I thought, then Kishi flashbacked to the Uchiha massacre. He got his first Sharigan tomoe activated when Itachi taunted his 'cling to life' speech, the next was with Haku then the third was with the 'Sasuke retrival arc'.

Really? I'll check it again. Kishi dares to play on my intelligence?

KazeKage1: He only worked on strengthening his control of reanimated shinobi. I don't see how that is an "advancement".

Really?? Though I still think Tobirama didn't complete the technique.

KazeKage1: The Byakugan can do this too man.

But the byakugan can't make other bodies come to life neither can the byakugan share vision with someone who has the same eyes with it.

KazeKage1: Did the Uchiha clan massacre happen before or after the fight with Haku?

After the Uchiha clan massacre. Looks to me like you're mixing up the way the byakugan is awakened with the sharingan.
The byakugan is awakened immediately you're born.
The sharingan is awakened immediately you fight your first real battle.
The rinnegan is born when there is chaos in the world of which Kishi made us realize that for now, it is only the sage that was born with it. Madara's evolved and Nagato was given.

KazeKage1: Who did Sasuke fight awaken his? No one.

Awwww. You forgot so quickly. His first real battle was with Haku.

kimco: doesn't matter how u say it guy....one day isn't enuff to tame someone who u have hated for so long. It builds over tym especially that naruto had recently rained rasengan on him and had illegally taken his chakra.

Do you watch the anime? Remember the saying, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend', apply that saying to Naruto, Madara and Kurama. Kurama would rather develop a close relationship with Naruto than allow him die in this war and become Madara's tool. Also remember that they became close after he knew the real Madara was edo tenseid. You keep saying one day? Which one day? Something that has been developing during the war arc especially since the bijuus agreed that Naruto is the person the Sage was talking about.

KazeKage1: I have a theory.
The Byakugan might be indirectly linked to the Rinnegan.

We all know the sharingan is awakened when one losses someone and hate somehow feeds the strength of the eye. What if the opposite is the case for the Byakugan? We've seen how Hinata's love for Naruto improved her usability of her Byakugan and it's techniques..at least
The sharingan loses its light after excessive use but somehow the Byakugan/Rinnegan doesn't.
The rinnegan grants you near 360 field vision but leaves a blind spot open (cue: Itachi using Kunai to 'blind' Nagato's summons). You can see your opponent and plan an attack/defense strategy. Reference Jiraiya's fight with Pein.
The Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm is similar to Tendo Pein's Almighty Push technique, they both repel shinobi/objects.

Of course, it's all mumbo jumbo but I want to believe the Sage, who was a peace-maker and Kono Yo No Kyuseishu..was born with a Byakugan. If the sharingan is the symbol of hatred and the Juubi was a mass of hatred and had a 9/10 tomoe-d sharingan, then maybe, just maybe...when the Sage became the Juubi's host and gave birth, the sharingan got passed on to the first son(coupled with the loss of his birth right) and that somehow relegated the importance of the Byakugan

1. The sharingan is awakened during your first battle. It is the mangekyou sharingan that is awakened from the loss of a close one.
2. The byakugan grants the user a near 360 degree vision and not the rinnegan. The rinnegan can grant you 360 degree vision provided that there are other paths to compensate for the blind spot.

KazeKage1: Isn't that an ability the rinnegan grants you?
I'm not looking to drag this any further, i'm just stating the obvious..Kishi is inconsistent/trolls too much. Yes, Izanami and Izanagi are a couple, besties, roommates,friends,colleagues et al.

1 - According to Narutopedia, he doesn't need a source to use it, so why hasn't Tobirama used his water jutsu?
2 - Why hasn't he broken free from edo tensei despite being its inventor?
3 - Where did the Byakugan originate from? Did the SoSP have it before gaining the rinnegan...or? Too many question but i don't want to bore you so i'll stop with these three.

I thought we talked about this previously.
1. No idea.
2. Recall Orochimaru advanced the technique. It doesn't mean because he is the originator that he must know the seal to break away
3. That one was answered previously. I'll search for that reply though it was a theory I proposed from Ihedinobi's argument.

kimco: awwwwww. Dear sir. U to have tried. But no ur argument isn't enuff really. The fact that naruto can soften people's heart in minutes itself annoys me reeks of lack of originality. What kyuubi saw during naruto years of suffering and rejection didn't affect him. Even upto pain's fight he still had hatred for naruto and minato. He didn't change in nature...he was still full of hatred. If he was to change it shud have been gradual. But then jux when naruto needed the kyuubi...boom, fairy god mother kishimoto went to work with his wand and then kyuubi turns cheerleader and is lovey dovey towards the guy. Like i said...even a wild dog takes days to tame. Plus that scene was kishi's bulls.hit to make kyuubi look like he had a soft spot in his heart, that was really poor writing. Zap u kishi really, for insulting our intelligence. Loool.


And to the others saying we shud jux enjoy the anime/manga....how would u like it if orochimaru turned gud and after the war helped building the village back to what it was....how would u feel. I'll tell u how i'll feel, i'll cry myself to sleep every night for humanity. that's exactly what kishi has done to kyuubi. And ryt now, i'm trying hard to hold back the tears.

you know eh, the last anime made me realize why the kyuubi decided to cooperate with Naruto. Throughout the years, the people that acknowledged the kyuubi's feelings are Rikoudo Sennin and Naruto. Madara thought of it as a servant and weapon, Hashirama thought of it as a weapon, likewise his wife and Kushina. The Sage and Naruto saw the bijuus as entities and after taking all these into consideration, the kyuubi realized it had nothing to loose than to cooperate with Naruto. He realized that Naruto has come to accept him as part of his existence.

KazeKage1: Bro. I don't need the lengthy gist. I read up on it "after" Itachi used it. My question is: Did YOU or anyone else in Naruto-sphere know about it before Itachi used it?

I didn't know. Next I saw was an event reoccuring and Kishi termed it 'izanami' .
Just to get the Uchiha out of a tight spot

KazeKage1: As a matter of fact, i don't
Pulling Izanagi out of thin air(no one and i repeat, no one knew jack about it till Itachi used it on Kabuto). He's inconsistent but it's his story. I have a couple of other 'out of the blue' scenarios but i'll just chill.

izanagi or izanami I even refuted that ish. That is one place I still can't accept cos Kabuto was whooping their asses