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popizaino:
False equivalence.........Roma is a bigger prospect than Everton,Luiz Enrique should have left his mark there and not needing a prime Barcelona to be called a serial winner.

Roma didnt have the financial capacity as Everton. But thats not even the comparison. It's between Enrique and Poch, which shouldn't be happening to be very honest.


Enrique is not his mate, and by a very very very long stretch. Poch would have to die and resurrect a million and one times to match Enrique's brilliance.

popizaino:
What is there to stabilise after winning the UCL back to back to back and winning the league as well?

What is there to stabilise after conquering european and world club football? Even pep Guardiola couldn't inspire his then Barcelona side after winning 2 UCL in 4years but Zidane has to become Metuzelah at real Madrid before we rate him.


Pls come up with a better reasons,these ones are just falling flat.

Again, stop comparing Zidane with Pep.. They are miles apart, in terms of coaching ability... Make your point, but do not try to justify anything Zidane achieved and use Pep as a reference...

Why?

Since you want to make excuses for Zidane's lack of stability and team development at Madrid. Let me set the record straight and give you the real difference between Pep's legacy at Barcelona and Zidane's legacy at Madrid. Stability isn't just about winning back to back to back UCLs.

First and foremost, let's talk about stability. Yes, Madrid won the UCL back-to-back-to-back, but what happened after that? They fell apart. Zidane couldn't keep the team together, and they had a very underwhelming performance in La Liga. Meanwhile, when Pep was at Barcelona, he created a system that was built to last. He brought in players who fit his style of play, and he developed young players who went on to become some of the best in the world. Barcelona was dominant for years, and that's all thanks to Pep's stability.

Now, let's talk about team development. Yes, Madrid conquered European and world club football, but that doesn't mean they developed as a team. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Madrid relied heavily on individual brilliance from players like Ronaldo, but they never truly developed as a cohesive unit. On the other hand, Pep's Barcelona was the epitome of team development. He created a style of play that was built on passing and movement, and every player on the team had a role to play. They worked together as a team and they dominated the footballing world.

As for the argument that Pep couldn't inspire his Barcelona side after winning two UCL in four years, that's just nonsense. Pep's Barcelona went on to win numerous La Liga titles and even another UCL after he left. Meanwhile, Zidane had to come back to Madrid after they fell apart without him. That just goes to show the difference between the legacies that these two managers left, until ANCELOTTI, an old guard happened to Madrid.

Simply put, the difference between Pep's legacy at Barcelona and Zidane's legacy at Madrid is clear. Pep brought stability and team development, while Zidane didn't.

popizaino:
He should have won it with Roma and Spain national team not needing Suarez,Messi,Neymar,iniesta and other star players.

Even Ancelotti, a serial winner went to the lowest of lows by signing for Everton before returning to top-flight football.

Enrique developed too and that materialized in Spain national team.

Sportsweb:
You replying a BoT that contradicts himself for a living LMAO

Asin, it is the way he sells himself as intelligent that amuses me. Niggur can't even beat 12 year old in a spelling Bee

Culer:
50 milli for an unproven age-false player.
They trynna fleece us and you're excited about it.

Like.. I am begging Barcelona to run away from this boy. I don't know why we actually need him anyway. He's really not exceptional.

Ballzproblemm:
Graham Potter is set to receive around £13M in compensation after being sacked by Chelsea.

[via MattHughesDM]

I was telling clowns here that Graham potter won't get 60m complete.


I was telling clowns here that money wasn't the reason he was still our head coach.



This why to argue here dey tire me y'all don't do research,no way they were going to hand free 60m like that , anyways he still cashed out though.

Sorry, but I thought this was you trying to prove to Airmak that one of the reasons why Boehly can't sack Potter is because of the pay he might be getting after taking the booth.

Ballzproblemm:
Potter salary is £12m per year in 5 years,you think boehly will pay that kind of money to sack him overnight? lol

popizaino:
Let establish the meaning of serial winner before we move to how he applies to Luiz Enrique.

Someone who has won everything there is to win as a club coach and someone who needed a star-studded team to wrestle PSG's birthright.

Grace04:
This is so unfair, learn to show empathy bro, you don't know tomorrow


May God raise a kind hearted person to assist you dear, and may divine help locate you IJN

This style doesn't sell anymore. It is so evident that the monika you prayed for is the same as you.

Try another style

popizaino:
Why are they not comparable?

Serial Winner vs. LEGENDARY loser

Ibime:
Pochettino has balls. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. This is what I mean by power differential. Neymar, Messi and Mbappe are more powerful than any PSG manager, so you can't implement modern tactics with them

Same issue we would soon be having at Chelsea with players on humongous 7 year contract. Once attempting to discipline the player could lead to a big write-off, the player becomes bigger than the manager.

Again, I say it that Poch doesn't have the balls, or should I say, he just doesn't have the right CV to actually take on bold moves. I mean, superstars will listen to coaches that have won tangible trophies and accolades in the past as against someone who is tryna use them to her his name on the map. Forger his stints at Spurs, in the grand scheme of things, Poch is highly inconsequential, hence the reason behind his dangling balls.

EmmanuelScott1:
Let's start from namely?

Zidane, Mourinho, Pep, Ferguson, Carlo, Conte, Enrique,... These are known names.

Ibime:
You as a high pressing coach go and manage Neymar, Messi and Mbappe strolling in one half of the pitch and missing all their pressing triggers, overloading the other 7 men with work and getting caught inbetween positions after every press is missed

There is a reason all managers so far failed with PSG, and a reason why Scaloni put 8 workhorses behind Messi and Alvarez alongside him

Messi is old and cannot press as he used to... I mean, I saw this man chase the entirety of Real Madrid and other Liga defenses for years before declining... His is understandable.

Mbappe who is the young force in the club should be taking the lead to press forward, with Neymar assisting but I guess whoever their PSG coaches are, are just to weak to administer the right tactics and enforce it. Blame their weakness, not the team. Guardiola, Mou, Klopp, or even Enrique will not handle such a team and convincingly enforce their rules. It is no one's fault that they keep employing ball-less idi*ots as managers.

EmmanuelScott1:
What did you mean by calm manager?

You want coach that display his PORTABLE behavior in public?

A coach that coached Messi mbappe Neymar, you have 50% of losing the dressing room, that can't be said for potter that's not coaching superstars.

I don't why you're comparing both in terms of controlling the dressing room.

Lots of coaches have managed bigger superstars and didnt lose the dressing room. Poch was incompetent... EOD

popizaino:
Wha backed Luiz Enrique that you have been canvassing for?

How will you be comparing Luiz to Poch? Like why?

[quote author=popizaino post=122266787][/quote]What world class players did Pep meet at Barca? Don't call Messi, Iniesta and all because he actually made them better.. They were just talented youngsters with no direction until Pep happened.

So, tell me...who were the superstars Pep worked with at Barca?

Melvyn11:
There's no meaning to your first paragraph. Everybody doesn't have to be Pep with horizonal and vertical tactical innovation and other gibberish of modern football. The best Tactics is adapting to the players you have and playing to their strength while winning.


I have never seen you discredit Pep by saying he has worked with talented players all through his career. How exactly is that a disadvantage for Zidane but an advantage for Pep.

Simple answer. Pep has developed talents, even the yet unknown ones to become world-class players whereas Zidane hasn't managed to do that. Whatever I said about tactics is just for reference sake so you can do whatever you like with it.

andrew444:
Leave that one wey lack comprehension because emotions don cover am

Saying zidane selects his job doesn’t mean Enrique is better than him

Pep can be accused for selecting job ,but dem hear zidane name dem begin cry

Gradually, Pep is becoming the standard for those seeking for long-term solutions for their club whilst competing for every title.

popizaino:
Aside,the fact that Zidane achieved much more than Vincete Del bosque with this real Madrid, how is his 4years an evident of long term plans with real madrid?

Stability is one of the hallmarks of a long-term plan but Zidane's time at Real Madrid was marked by a degree of instability. He resigned as coach at the end of his first spell, citing the need for "a different voice" in the dressing room, before returning to the club less than a year later. He then resigned again at the end of his second spell, citing a need for "a change for the good of everyone" and the club not listening to him as he said "Perez didn't trust him enough."

Simply put, he didnt represent a long term solution for the club as his coaching philosophy was largely built around getting the best out of the club's existing players, rather than developing young talent or building for the future.

popizaino:
I also agree with everything but Zidane being a mid coach is a No No fot me.

Opinions. But then, it's best to explain my stance to offer better insight.

Zidane has achieved a great deal of success during his time at Madrid but there are some disadvantages to his game.

Firstly, Zidane has not had the opportunity to develop his own style of play and tactical approach in the way that some more experienced coaches have. While he has been successful in adapting his tactics to different opponents and situations, it's fair to say that he hasn't had the chance to experiment with different systems and styles of play in the way that some other coaches have.

Also, Zidane has had the benefit of working with some incredibly talented players during his time at Real Madrid, which has undoubtedly helped him to achieve success. While he deserves credit for getting the best out of those players and creating a winning culture at the club, it's fair to say that he hasn't faced the same challenges as some other coaches who have had to work with less talented squads, even with a fat check, as some of you choose to call Pep.

Also, Zidane has also been criticized for his handling of certain situations, such as his reluctance to rotate his squad or give opportunities to younger players. While he has been successful in managing the egos of some of the biggest stars in world football, he has also been accused of being too conservative and relying too heavily on his established players.

popizaino:
So list the other coaches that have built dynasty with real Madrid let see?

To answer your question, Vicente del Bosque, and Miguel Muñoz are two popular names and they did achieve a lot with the Whites.

popizaino:
So list the other coaches that have built dynasty with real Madrid let see?

That piece you quoted also encompasses me writing that even Madrid weren't going to offer that.

Kantebets:
ok
Mr. Nairaland analyst

Bless you.

Ibime:
90% of coaching is having power, making players do what you want and Zizou has that.

Just like Ancelotti, they don't look tactically innovative but can make players listen to them

It is no coincidence that Pep chose City where his two best mates are directors in order to keep his power differential to the players. That's why he can walk Cancelo out the door without blinking when Cancelo decide to form stronghead. Once a coach establishes power, everything becomes 10 times easier. Zizou has power from his reputation, his trophies and his demeanour. Chelsea owners are usually the ones that undermine managers. A manager who relies on absolute power won't want to work with Chelsea

As for Pep, I don't think it's fair to say that he only chose City because of his friends. Yes, having a strong support system is important, but let's not forget that he's won multiple league titles and Champions Leagues with different clubs, all while implementing his own unique style of play. That's not just power, that's vision and innovation.

Kantebets:
things we read on this forum sha
Winning the CL three in a row with Madrid na child’s play ?
Why didn’t the coaches before him win it with the same players?

Nairaland sha

Because he's rhe first to achieve back to back feat nah? You might as well disregard Arrigo Sacchi who led the 89/90 Milan team to back to back glory. How many people even remember him nowadays?

Get out of your emotions blud.

Whoever rates Enrique above Zidane is either mad or just bantering.

But Pep... Nah.. He is not his mate, by a long stretch.

iamoyindamola:
What manners of fvckery is this
Do you guys throw your brains out before spewing trash everywhere

Take it to the bank.. If you don't have anything else to counter it, then siddin day look.

Ibime:
90% of coaching is having power, making players do what you want and Zizou has that.

Just like Ancelotti, they don't look tactically innovative but can make players listen to them

And what makes you think he actually would accrue the same power as he did in Madrid? He is a legend in the city and club and it is imperative that the rest would want to follow his lead to make a name for themselves. Good thing he met a crop of players that were in their prime and achieved massively with it. Kudos to him. I think I read somewhere that he even fell out with some of the players that are making waves with the club(Militao for example), not like it matters, anyway.

But then, there was no way Zidane was going to build a dynasty in Madrid. He isn't that kind of coach to achieve with a long term plan, and equally, Madrid with all of its ambition was definitely not gonna offer that.

Amoto94:
You skipped the Roma part and jump to Spain, if you cant defeat the least talented Italy team in recent years then you're not good

He has learned through the ranks and coaching a crop of more talented names has given him the necessary boost available to succeed.

Calling him a fraud in the Spain NT is an insult. A very big one.

a4turitoroman:
Stfu and stop downplaying Zidane achievements,
We are still waiting for fraudiola to win ucl with his city side

Even if he doesn't win it...he is heads and shoulder above Zizou in ALL ramifications that even Perez would consider taking him up on an offer if presented in a list of options which involves Zidane.

Not my opinion. It is a fact.

FergieRaww:
You & the 10 others downplaying Zizou's achievements, records & stats are all high on cheap skunk 😂

Pep with his star studded team hasn't done it oo.. the numerous coaches handling Messi & co in the PSG team didn't do nada

Make una dey deceive unaselves

Zizou is just an above mid coach, irrespective of how much you try to sell him. There's a reason he has virtually refused to coach any other team because he fears being found out or labeled a fraud whose impact can only be felt within the realms of Madrid.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing can stop Messo from leaving PSG next season.

zeusis:
The mugu is the 3rd abi 4th highest paid coach itw. This has to be the biggest money laundering scheme I've ever come across. Potter and that his useless supporter that has eaten half of this thread has to be arrested and hanged to death.

Person say ball na him problem and e no occur to una say e no sabi anything.